Death at Oshkosh, sad to report

[Just Plane Noise[_2_]]

Yesterday I posted pictures of unlimited air racers at Oshkosh. Today
they had another race, but as the planes were landing, the two
Mustangs I posted pictures of (Precious Metal--green-winged-- and
Stang-blue and yellow) yesterday got into it as they were landing. I
didn't witness the accident, but it was not far from the approach end
of 36. Witnesses told me that Precious Metal ran into Stang, and
Stang went over on its nose and slid down and then off the runway.
Meanwhile, Precious Metal flipped over and there was an explosion and
fire lasting about 30 seconds. It seems Precious Metal's pilot is
dead (the owner is listed as Ron Buccarelli, but I don't know if he
was the pilot), but witnesses saw the other pilot running from Stang
and the TV news said he had non-serious injuries (Stang is owned by
Bob Odegaard, but someone said his son was flying Stang while Bob was
in his Super Corsair).

The warbird show was cancelled for the day, but oddly enough, the
person in charge of the pyro said it had to be exploded today and they
were talking about doing it at the end of the truncated airshow. I
don't know if the Raptors flew--I was too depressed and just left.

Anyway, yEnc'ed pictures to follow.

[Randy Wilson]

I don't think you are correct in the ID of the second, fatal, aircraft and
pilot. It is best not to post names, etc. in public newsgroups until the
details are certain. You may have caused grief for those not injured by your
post. I know a number of the folks involved, including Ron, who I don't
think was involved in any way, from what I'm getting. I'm a warbird pilot,
too, and many of these folks are friends or aquaintances.. My 2 cents.

Randy

"Just Plane Noise" > wrote in message
...
> Yesterday I posted pictures of unlimited air racers at Oshkosh. Today
> they had another race, but as the planes were landing, the two
> Mustangs I posted pictures of (Precious Metal--green-winged-- and
> Stang-blue and yellow) yesterday got into it as they were landing. I
> didn't witness the accident, but it was not far from the approach end
> of 36. Witnesses told me that Precious Metal ran into Stang, and
> Stang went over on its nose and slid down and then off the runway.
> Meanwhile, Precious Metal flipped over and there was an explosion and
> fire lasting about 30 seconds. It seems Precious Metal's pilot is
> dead (the owner is listed as Ron Buccarelli, but I don't know if he
> was the pilot), but witnesses saw the other pilot running from Stang
> and the TV news said he had non-serious injuries (Stang is owned by
> Bob Odegaard, but someone said his son was flying Stang while Bob was
> in his Super Corsair).
>
> The warbird show was cancelled for the day, but oddly enough, the
> person in charge of the pyro said it had to be exploded today and they
> were talking about doing it at the end of the truncated airshow. I
> don't know if the Raptors flew--I was too depressed and just left.
>
> Anyway, yEnc'ed pictures to follow.

[Lonnie]

To all Pilots and Crews,

Thank you for your service to our Nations and may God continue to bless our
world in which we live and may He richly bless you and yours.

Chaplain (COL) Lonnie J. Potter
National Recruiting Coordinator
Headquarters (HQ) Division
United States Corps of Chaplains

[Just Plane Noise[_2_]]

On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 20:42:32 -0500, "Randy Wilson"
> wrote:

>I don't think you are correct in the ID of the second, fatal, aircraft and
>pilot. It is best not to post names, etc. in public newsgroups until the
>details are certain. You may have caused grief for those not injured by your
>post. I know a number of the folks involved, including Ron, who I don't
>think was involved in any way, from what I'm getting. I'm a warbird pilot,
>too, and many of these folks are friends or aquaintances.. My 2 cents.
>
>Randy
>

I have a picture of the wrecked Precious Metal, so I'm certainly right
about the plane (although I won't upload the picture--too ghoulish).
Moreover, if you'll go to the local paper's website
(thenorthwestern.com), you'll see and hear eyewitness accounts of the
crash, including one that describes how Precious Metal and Stang
collided. Now I specifically said I didn't know who was piloting
Precious Metal--I merely identified the owner, which is public
knowledge. The news media have still not ID'ed the dead pilot, and I
wouldn't be so irresponsible as to say who was piloting a plane
without having some reliable source. So get off my case.

>"Just Plane Noise" > wrote in message
...
>> Yesterday I posted pictures of unlimited air racers at Oshkosh. Today
>> they had another race, but as the planes were landing, the two
>> Mustangs I posted pictures of (Precious Metal--green-winged-- and
>> Stang-blue and yellow) yesterday got into it as they were landing. I
>> didn't witness the accident, but it was not far from the approach end
>> of 36. Witnesses told me that Precious Metal ran into Stang, and
>> Stang went over on its nose and slid down and then off the runway.
>> Meanwhile, Precious Metal flipped over and there was an explosion and
>> fire lasting about 30 seconds. It seems Precious Metal's pilot is
>> dead (the owner is listed as Ron Buccarelli, but I don't know if he
>> was the pilot), but witnesses saw the other pilot running from Stang
>> and the TV news said he had non-serious injuries (Stang is owned by
>> Bob Odegaard, but someone said his son was flying Stang while Bob was
>> in his Super Corsair).
>>
>> The warbird show was cancelled for the day, but oddly enough, the
>> person in charge of the pyro said it had to be exploded today and they
>> were talking about doing it at the end of the truncated airshow. I
>> don't know if the Raptors flew--I was too depressed and just left.
>>
>> Anyway, yEnc'ed pictures to follow.
>

[Bernd Rosemeier]

"Just Plane Noise" > schrieb im Newsbeitrag
...
>
> Anyway, yEnc'ed pictures to follow.

It would be nice to send normal pictures so evereyone can see them.

Thanks

Bernd
Germany

[russell[_2_]]

My thoughts too. But as he's a self confessed computer freak, he can't.


"Bernd Rosemeier" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Just Plane Noise" > schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> ...
>>
>> Anyway, yEnc'ed pictures to follow.
>
> It would be nice to send normal pictures so evereyone can see them.
>
> Thanks
>
> Bernd
> Germany
>

My thoughts too. But as he's a self confessed computer freak, he can't.

[Hub Plott III]

The "Precious Metal" involved was the new build P-51A not the Griffon
powered Reno Racer. Thoughts and prayers to all involved!
"Randy Wilson" > wrote in message
...
>I don't think you are correct in the ID of the second, fatal, aircraft and
>pilot. It is best not to post names, etc. in public newsgroups until the
>details are certain. You may have caused grief for those not injured by
>your post. I know a number of the folks involved, including Ron, who I
>don't think was involved in any way, from what I'm getting. I'm a warbird
>pilot, too, and many of these folks are friends or aquaintances.. My 2
>cents.
>
> Randy
>
> "Just Plane Noise" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Yesterday I posted pictures of unlimited air racers at Oshkosh. Today
>> they had another race, but as the planes were landing, the two
>> Mustangs I posted pictures of (Precious Metal--green-winged-- and
>> Stang-blue and yellow) yesterday got into it as they were landing. I
>> didn't witness the accident, but it was not far from the approach end
>> of 36. Witnesses told me that Precious Metal ran into Stang, and
>> Stang went over on its nose and slid down and then off the runway.
>> Meanwhile, Precious Metal flipped over and there was an explosion and
>> fire lasting about 30 seconds. It seems Precious Metal's pilot is
>> dead (the owner is listed as Ron Buccarelli, but I don't know if he
>> was the pilot), but witnesses saw the other pilot running from Stang
>> and the TV news said he had non-serious injuries (Stang is owned by
>> Bob Odegaard, but someone said his son was flying Stang while Bob was
>> in his Super Corsair).
>>
>> The warbird show was cancelled for the day, but oddly enough, the
>> person in charge of the pyro said it had to be exploded today and they
>> were talking about doing it at the end of the truncated airshow. I
>> don't know if the Raptors flew--I was too depressed and just left.
>>
>> Anyway, yEnc'ed pictures to follow.
>
>

[Just Plane Noise[_2_]]

On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 19:22:06 +1000, "russell" > wrote:

>My thoughts too. But as he's a self confessed computer freak, he can't.
>
>

I never said any such thing. And I made a point of posting a UU
encoded version of the Corsair picture for you. My, aren't you a nice
person!

>"Bernd Rosemeier" > wrote in message
...
>>
>> "Just Plane Noise" > schrieb im Newsbeitrag
>> ...
>>>
>>> Anyway, yEnc'ed pictures to follow.
>>
>> It would be nice to send normal pictures so evereyone can see them.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Bernd
>> Germany
>>
>
>My thoughts too. But as he's a self confessed computer freak, he can't.
>

[russell[_2_]]

I thanked you for the picture you posted for me. I'll even thank you again.
BUT that doesn't change the fact that a lot of us can't see the pictures you
and some others are flooding this NG with yEnc posts. You aren't necessarily
doing anyone one any favours buy posting so much at a time that half of
yours don't get through and other good stuff is dropped of to make room for
you gibberish..

Because the ISPs or whoever host this NG don't seem to allot much space to
this NG, one would think that just maybe, the smarter posters would limit
their postings so that everyone else's posted pictures stay up a little
longer so everyone gets a chance to see them. Posting eYnc seems to be a
licence to flood the place with junk..
If people had to resize , name and send pictures individually, I'm sure they
would be a lot more selective.


"Just Plane Noise" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 19:22:06 +1000, "russell" > wrote:
>
>>My thoughts too. But as he's a self confessed computer freak, he can't.
>>
>>
>
> I never said any such thing. And I made a point of posting a UU
> encoded version of the Corsair picture for you. My, aren't you a nice
> person!
>
>>"Bernd Rosemeier" > wrote in message
...
>>>
>>> "Just Plane Noise" > schrieb im Newsbeitrag
>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, yEnc'ed pictures to follow.
>>>
>>> It would be nice to send normal pictures so evereyone can see them.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Bernd
>>> Germany
>>>
>>
>>My thoughts too. But as he's a self confessed computer freak, he can't.
>>

[Willem Van der Voort]

"russell" > schreef in bericht
...
>I thanked you for the picture you posted for me. I'll even thank you again.
>BUT that doesn't change the fact that a lot of us can't see the pictures
>you and some others are flooding this NG with yEnc posts. You aren't
>necessarily doing anyone one any favours buy posting so much at a time that
>half of yours don't get through and other good stuff is dropped of to make
>room for you gibberish..
>
> Because the ISPs or whoever host this NG don't seem to allot much space to
> this NG, one would think that just maybe, the smarter posters would limit
> their postings so that everyone else's posted pictures stay up a little
> longer so everyone gets a chance to see them. Posting eYnc seems to be a
> licence to flood the place with junk..
> If people had to resize , name and send pictures individually, I'm sure
> they would be a lot more selective.

Correct, if yEnc was the ultimate format, Glenn Alderton would use it, but
he is not, his hi quality pictures are between 200 and 300 Kb large, he is
also not cutting his pictures in 10 pieces so we have to combine them, and
he is using the appropriate jpg format, not a bmp or tif format ets...



Willem

[Just Plane Noise[_2_]]

On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 23:55:35 +1000, "russell" > wrote:

>I thanked you for the picture you posted for me. I'll even thank you again.
>BUT that doesn't change the fact that a lot of us can't see the pictures you
>and some others are flooding this NG with yEnc posts. You aren't necessarily
>doing anyone one any favours buy posting so much at a time that half of
>yours don't get through and other good stuff is dropped of to make room for
>you gibberish..
>
>Because the ISPs or whoever host this NG don't seem to allot much space to
>this NG, one would think that just maybe, the smarter posters would limit
>their postings so that everyone else's posted pictures stay up a little
>longer so everyone gets a chance to see them. Posting eYnc seems to be a
>licence to flood the place with junk..
>If people had to resize , name and send pictures individually, I'm sure they
>would be a lot more selective.
>
Oh, I'm quite selective--only posting about a tenth of what I shoot at
EAA. And it appears you haven't noticed just how small my files
are--that's the power of yEnc. Go ahead--get all the files for the
last 6 months or so. My files are typically under 2000 in size (quite
a few are even under 1000), despite being 1280X1024 images (bigger in
dimensions than most files posted here). 2000 puts them below about
80-85% of the files posted here. So mine are bigger but smaller than
most. What more could you want?

yEnc appears to be a SOLUTION to the problem you mention, not a cause.
(Notice I said "a" solution, not "the" solution).

Alas, I'm beginning to realize just what kind of mentality I'm up
against here. And since I promised to stay out of the yEnc thing
(screen goes blank)

[russell[_2_]]

If you don't post much why do you need to post in eYenc?




"Just Plane Noise" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 23:55:35 +1000, "russell" > wrote:
>
>>I thanked you for the picture you posted for me. I'll even thank you
>>again.
>>BUT that doesn't change the fact that a lot of us can't see the pictures
>>you
>>and some others are flooding this NG with yEnc posts. You aren't
>>necessarily
>>doing anyone one any favours buy posting so much at a time that half of
>>yours don't get through and other good stuff is dropped of to make room
>>for
>>you gibberish..
>>
>>Because the ISPs or whoever host this NG don't seem to allot much space to
>>this NG, one would think that just maybe, the smarter posters would limit
>>their postings so that everyone else's posted pictures stay up a little
>>longer so everyone gets a chance to see them. Posting eYnc seems to be a
>>licence to flood the place with junk..
>>If people had to resize , name and send pictures individually, I'm sure
>>they
>>would be a lot more selective.
>>
> Oh, I'm quite selective--only posting about a tenth of what I shoot at
> EAA. And it appears you haven't noticed just how small my files
> are--that's the power of yEnc. Go ahead--get all the files for the
> last 6 months or so. My files are typically under 2000 in size (quite
> a few are even under 1000), despite being 1280X1024 images (bigger in
> dimensions than most files posted here). 2000 puts them below about
> 80-85% of the files posted here. So mine are bigger but smaller than
> most. What more could you want?
>
> yEnc appears to be a SOLUTION to the problem you mention, not a cause.
> (Notice I said "a" solution, not "the" solution).
>
> Alas, I'm beginning to realize just what kind of mentality I'm up
> against here. And since I promised to stay out of the yEnc thing
> (screen goes blank)

[Luc]

On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 23:55:35 +1000, "russell" > wrote:

>I thanked you for the picture you posted for me. I'll even thank you again.
>BUT that doesn't change the fact that a lot of us can't see the pictures you
>and some others are flooding this NG with yEnc posts. You aren't necessarily
>doing anyone one any favours buy posting so much at a time that half of
>yours don't get through and other good stuff is dropped of to make room for
>you gibberish..
>
>Because the ISPs or whoever host this NG don't seem to allot much space to
>this NG, one would think that just maybe, the smarter posters would limit
>their postings so that everyone else's posted pictures stay up a little
>longer so everyone gets a chance to see them. Posting eYnc seems to be a
>licence to flood the place with junk..
>If people had to resize , name and send pictures individually, I'm sure they
>would be a lot more selective.
>
>
>"Just Plane Noise" > wrote in message
...
>> On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 19:22:06 +1000, "russell" > wrote:
>>
>>>My thoughts too. But as he's a self confessed computer freak, he can't.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I never said any such thing. And I made a point of posting a UU
>> encoded version of the Corsair picture for you. My, aren't you a nice
>> person!
>>
>>>"Bernd Rosemeier" > wrote in message
...
>>>>
>>>> "Just Plane Noise" > schrieb im Newsbeitrag
>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyway, yEnc'ed pictures to follow.
>>>>
>>>> It would be nice to send normal pictures so evereyone can see them.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>> Bernd
>>>> Germany
>>>>
>>>
>>>My thoughts too. But as he's a self confessed computer freak, he can't.
>>>
>
Russell, I've got a used Abacus for sale if your interested!