Commercial ASEL and AMEL rides at the same time?

[Matt Johnson]

I recently took my commercial ASEL ride and must retake a few parts of the
practical portion, but the complex single I've been using is no longer
available to me. A CFI friend suggested that I could start my multiengine
training now, then take a combined ASEL/AMEL commercial ride, whereby the
complex requirement would be satisfied by the twin, and I could do the areas
I need to retake in a non-complex single. Is this permissible?

--

Matt

[Mortimer Schnerd, RN[_2_]]

Matt Johnson wrote:
> I recently took my commercial ASEL ride and must retake a few parts of the
> practical portion, but the complex single I've been using is no longer
> available to me. A CFI friend suggested that I could start my multiengine
> training now, then take a combined ASEL/AMEL commercial ride, whereby the
> complex requirement would be satisfied by the twin, and I could do the areas
> I need to retake in a non-complex single. Is this permissible?


I don't see why not. It looks like it should cover your bases. To be
absolutely sure, why don't you ask your examiner if it will suit him? He's the
one you have to satisfy.

I do know you will eventually need a multi rating if you want to go anywhere in
flying for a living. Even though you won't get any multi jobs to begin with,
just the fact that you have the rating is going to open doors to you that
weren't before.



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com

[Robert M. Gary]

On Jul 27, 10:24 pm, "Matt Johnson" > wrote:
> I recently took my commercial ASEL ride and must retake a few parts of the
> practical portion, but the complex single I've been using is no longer
> available to me. A CFI friend suggested that I could start my multiengine
> training now, then take a combined ASEL/AMEL commercial ride, whereby the
> complex requirement would be satisfied by the twin, and I could do the areas
> I need to retake in a non-complex single. Is this permissible?
>
> --
>
> Matt

We used to do the ASEL/AMEL rides together using a Cessna 140 and 310.
All the complex requirements were done in the 310.

-Robert

[Blueskies]

"Robert M. Gary" > wrote in message oups.com...
> On Jul 27, 10:24 pm, "Matt Johnson" > wrote:
>> I recently took my commercial ASEL ride and must retake a few parts of the
>> practical portion, but the complex single I've been using is no longer
>> available to me. A CFI friend suggested that I could start my multiengine
>> training now, then take a combined ASEL/AMEL commercial ride, whereby the
>> complex requirement would be satisfied by the twin, and I could do the areas
>> I need to retake in a non-complex single. Is this permissible?
>>
>> --
>>
>> Matt
>
> We used to do the ASEL/AMEL rides together using a Cessna 140 and 310.
> All the complex requirements were done in the 310.
>
> -Robert
>

I did mine in a C-172 & C-310

[Ol Shy & Bashful]

On Jul 28, 12:24 am, "Matt Johnson" > wrote:
> I recently took my commercial ASEL ride and must retake a few parts of the
> practical portion, but the complex single I've been using is no longer
> available to me. A CFI friend suggested that I could start my multiengine
> training now, then take a combined ASEL/AMEL commercial ride, whereby the
> complex requirement would be satisfied by the twin, and I could do the areas
> I need to retake in a non-complex single. Is this permissible?
>
> --
>
> Matt

Sure...you just fail an engine and do the re

[Ol Shy & Bashful]

On Jul 28, 12:24 am, "Matt Johnson" > wrote:
> I recently took my commercial ASEL ride and must retake a few parts of the
> practical portion, but the complex single I've been using is no longer
> available to me. A CFI friend suggested that I could start my multiengine
> training now, then take a combined ASEL/AMEL commercial ride, whereby the
> complex requirement would be satisfied by the twin, and I could do the areas
> I need to retake in a non-complex single. Is this permissible?
>
> --
>
> Matt

Sure...<gg> you simply fail and feather one engine, do the failed
portions of your SEL test, and fire up the other engine and finish the
test for MEL.
I seriously doubt an examiner will be able to do it. You can't have
two engines or more and still call it a SEL.

[Mortimer Schnerd, RN[_2_]]

Ol Shy & Bashful wrote:
>> and I could do the areas
>> I need to retake in a non-complex single. Is this permissible?
>
>
> Sure...<gg> you simply fail and feather one engine, do the failed
> portions of your SEL test, and fire up the other engine and finish the
> test for MEL.
> I seriously doubt an examiner will be able to do it. You can't have
> two engines or more and still call it a SEL.


Uh... did you miss something here?



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com

[Luke Skywalker]

On Jul 28, 12:24 am, "Matt Johnson" > wrote:
> I recently took my commercial ASEL ride and must retake a few parts of the
> practical portion, but the complex single I've been using is no longer
> available to me. A CFI friend suggested that I could start my multiengine
> training now, then take a combined ASEL/AMEL commercial ride, whereby the
> complex requirement would be satisfied by the twin, and I could do the areas
> I need to retake in a non-complex single. Is this permissible?
>
> --
>
> Matt

Yes...be careful with the dates (ie how long from the test to the
retest) but the ME would easily satisfy the complex aircraft part of
it.

Wheather or not this is a good idear would depend precisly on what
type of manuevers have to be redone...

Robert

[Luke Skywalker]

On Jul 28, 9:35 am, "Robert M. Gary" > wrote:
> On Jul 27, 10:24 pm, "Matt Johnson" > wrote:
>
> > I recently took my commercial ASEL ride and must retake a few parts of the
> > practical portion, but the complex single I've been using is no longer
> > available to me. A CFI friend suggested that I could start my multiengine
> > training now, then take a combined ASEL/AMEL commercial ride, whereby the
> > complex requirement would be satisfied by the twin, and I could do the areas
> > I need to retake in a non-complex single. Is this permissible?
>
> > --
>
> > Matt
>
> We used to do the ASEL/AMEL rides together using a Cessna 140 and 310.
> All the complex requirements were done in the 310.
>
> -Robert

Cessna 170 and a 135 hp Apache here.

The MEI was done in a 235 apache at the same time as the II.

Robert

[Mark Hansen]

On 07/28/07 10:26, Luke Skywalker wrote:
> On Jul 28, 12:24 am, "Matt Johnson" > wrote:
>> I recently took my commercial ASEL ride and must retake a few parts of the
>> practical portion, but the complex single I've been using is no longer
>> available to me. A CFI friend suggested that I could start my multiengine
>> training now, then take a combined ASEL/AMEL commercial ride, whereby the
>> complex requirement would be satisfied by the twin, and I could do the areas
>> I need to retake in a non-complex single. Is this permissible?
>>
>> --
>>
>> Matt
>
> Yes...be careful with the dates (ie how long from the test to the
> retest) but the ME would easily satisfy the complex aircraft part of
> it.

Well ... so long as the multi-engine airplane is a "complex". Not all
of them are.

>
> Wheather or not this is a good idear would depend precisly on what
> type of manuevers have to be redone...
>
> Robert
>



--
Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Airplane, USUA Ultralight Pilot
Cal Aggie Flying Farmers
Sacramento, CA

[Michael[_1_]]

On Jul 28, 12:24 am, "Matt Johnson" > wrote:
> I recently took my commercial ASEL ride and must retake a few parts of the
> practical portion, but the complex single I've been using is no longer
> available to me. A CFI friend suggested that I could start my multiengine
> training now, then take a combined ASEL/AMEL commercial ride, whereby the
> complex requirement would be satisfied by the twin, and I could do the areas
> I need to retake in a non-complex single. Is this permissible?

Once you have the commercial multi, you don't need a complex airplane
at all for the commercial single. I did mine in a TriPacer. So there
would be no need for a combined ride. You could take the commercial
single in a non-complex airplane at any time after passing the
commercial multi. This is assuming it was in a complex multiengine
airplane - but I can only think of a few of those, and only the
Partenavia would be reasonable. The Lancer is disallowed, the Cessna
336 gets you a rating limited to centerline thrust, and the Islander
and Twin Otter are way too expensive.

The problem is that you have already taken the commercial single test
in a complex and failed it. Now there is a judgment call involved.
There is no rule that says that you can't continue the test in a non-
complex, but you ought to check with the DE and make sure he is OK
with it. If not, choose a different DE.

Michael

[Luke Skywalker]

On Jul 28, 3:17 pm, Mark Hansen > wrote:
> On 07/28/07 10:26, Luke Skywalker wrote:
>
> > On Jul 28, 12:24 am, "Matt Johnson" > wrote:
> >> I recently took my commercial ASEL ride and must retake a few parts of the
> >> practical portion, but the complex single I've been using is no longer
> >> available to me. A CFI friend suggested that I could start my multiengine
> >> training now, then take a combined ASEL/AMEL commercial ride, whereby the
> >> complex requirement would be satisfied by the twin, and I could do the areas
> >> I need to retake in a non-complex single. Is this permissible?
>
> >> --
>
> >> Matt
>
> > Yes...be careful with the dates (ie how long from the test to the
> > retest) but the ME would easily satisfy the complex aircraft part of
> > it.
>
> Well ... so long as the multi-engine airplane is a "complex". Not all
> of them are.
>

>
> --
> Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Airplane, USUA Ultralight Pilot
> Cal Aggie Flying Farmers
> Sacramento, CA


My Champion Lancer is about 90 percent done! That one wont work, but
a friends restored Apache will!

take care

Robert

[Luke Skywalker]

On Jul 28, 3:49 pm, Michael > wrote:

>
> The problem is that you have already taken the commercial single test
> in a complex and failed it. Now there is a judgment call involved.
> There is no rule that says that you can't continue the test in a non-
> complex, but you ought to check with the DE and make sure he is OK
> with it. If not, choose a different DE.
>
> Michael

what I would asked if I were the CFII/MEI or the DE is "what manuevers
were failed".

If there was a failure related to the complex airplane then that would
be one thing, if it were one of the manueers...then that would be
another.

It has been so long since I took mine but as I recall the FAA examiner
(that long) had no real problems with it. She spent the vast majority
of the Multi part of the ride on single engine ops including shooting
an "approach" of sorts in a psuedo engine out condition.

Robert