Flight above 60,000 ft

[Charles Talleyrand]

I just picked up a used U-2. It's quite a hoot to fly, but I'm having
some trouble. Maybe you can help me out.

1) When I go cruising above 60,000 ft I cancel my IFR clearance. Then
I buzz around a bit. But how do I come back down legally? Obviously
I need an IFR clearance to decend back down to FL 590, but Center does
not have to grant my request for a sudden IFR clearance. I have
limited fuel. What should I do?


2) While I'm up above FL 600, I'm self-seperating from the other
traffic. But my friend also has a U-2 and we sometimes frequent the
same airspace. It's nearly impossible to see another plane with a
closure rate of 1,200 mph, and U-2s don't have TCAS. Can I request
flight following at these altitudes, just for the help with
separation?

3) I was right at 59,999 feet and requested a climb of two feet. The
controller denied my request! Can he do that? It really wastes fuel
to fly around so low!

-Much Thanks
-Charles Talleyrand, U2 pilot

[Jay Beckman[_2_]]

I think "You Two" need some help...

;O)

Jay Beckman
PP-ASEL
Chandler, AZ
(And so am I...)

[150flivver]

On Jul 28, 2:52 am, Charles Talleyrand > wrote:
> I just picked up a used U-2. It's quite a hoot to fly, but I'm having
> some trouble. Maybe you can help me out.
>
> 1) When I go cruising above 60,000 ft I cancel my IFR clearance. Then
> I buzz around a bit. But how do I come back down legally? Obviously
> I need an IFR clearance to decend back down to FL 590, but Center does
> not have to grant my request for a sudden IFR clearance. I have
> limited fuel. What should I do?
>
> 2) While I'm up above FL 600, I'm self-seperating from the other
> traffic. But my friend also has a U-2 and we sometimes frequent the
> same airspace. It's nearly impossible to see another plane with a
> closure rate of 1,200 mph, and U-2s don't have TCAS. Can I request
> flight following at these altitudes, just for the help with
> separation?
>
> 3) I was right at 59,999 feet and requested a climb of two feet. The
> controller denied my request! Can he do that? It really wastes fuel
> to fly around so low!
>
> -Much Thanks
> -Charles Talleyrand, U2 pilot

1. File a composite flight plan, IFR-VFR-IFR.
2. Request flight following but realize it's up to ATC to give it on a
workload permitting basis.
3. If in contact with ATC, you must follow their instructions. Make
your request but follow any instructions they give you.

At least that's the way I do it ;)

[Robert M. Gary]

On Jul 28, 12:52 am, Charles Talleyrand > wrote:
> I just picked up a used U-2. It's quite a hoot to fly, but I'm having
> some trouble. Maybe you can help me out.
>
> But how do I come back down legally? Obviously
> I need an IFR clearance to decend back down to FL 590, but Center does
> not have to grant my request for a sudden IFR clearance.

Prefile.

[Aluckyguess]

"Charles Talleyrand" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>I just picked up a used U-2. It's quite a hoot to fly, but I'm having
> some trouble. Maybe you can help me out.
>
> 1) When I go cruising above 60,000 ft I cancel my IFR clearance. Then
> I buzz around a bit. But how do I come back down legally? Obviously
> I need an IFR clearance to decend back down to FL 590, but Center does
> not have to grant my request for a sudden IFR clearance. I have
> limited fuel. What should I do?

Turn the transponder to the off position
>
>
> 2) While I'm up above FL 600, I'm self-seperating from the other
> traffic. But my friend also has a U-2 and we sometimes frequent the
> same airspace. It's nearly impossible to see another plane with a
> closure rate of 1,200 mph, and U-2s don't have TCAS. Can I request
> flight following at these altitudes, just for the help with
> separation?
I believe the plane has radar.
>
> 3) I was right at 59,999 feet and requested a climb of two feet. The
> controller denied my request! Can he do that? It really wastes fuel
> to fly around so low!
Who cares no one can catch you.
>
> -Much Thanks
> -Charles Talleyrand, U2 pilot
>

[Paul Tomblin]

In a previous article, Charles Talleyrand > said:
>1) When I go cruising above 60,000 ft I cancel my IFR clearance. Then

Why? It's class E, you can stay on your IFR clearance.

>3) I was right at 59,999 feet and requested a climb of two feet. The
>controller denied my request! Can he do that? It really wastes fuel
>to fly around so low!

Request VFR Over The Top. You'll be responsible for separation, but you
can fly your own altitude, but you'll still be IFR.


--
Paul Tomblin > http://blog.xcski.com/
"Mary had a little key,/She kept it in escrow/And everything that Mary
sent/The Feds were sure to know." - Sam Simpson on sci.crypt

[Steven P. McNicoll]

"Charles Talleyrand" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> I just picked up a used U-2. It's quite a hoot to fly, but I'm having
> some trouble. Maybe you can help me out.
>
> 1) When I go cruising above 60,000 ft I cancel my IFR clearance. Then
> I buzz around a bit. But how do I come back down legally? Obviously
> I need an IFR clearance to decend back down to FL 590, but Center does
> not have to grant my request for a sudden IFR clearance. I have
> limited fuel. What should I do?
>

You would need an IFR clearance at FL 600. You're right that ATC doesn't
have to grant your request for an IFR popup, but they'd have little reason
to refuse. If that's a concern then don't cancel IFR when you climb above
FL 600.


>
> 2) While I'm up above FL 600, I'm self-seperating from the other
> traffic. But my friend also has a U-2 and we sometimes frequent the
> same airspace. It's nearly impossible to see another plane with a
> closure rate of 1,200 mph, and U-2s don't have TCAS. Can I request
> flight following at these altitudes, just for the help with
> separation?
>

Sure.


>
> 3) I was right at 59,999 feet and requested a climb of two feet. The
> controller denied my request! Can he do that? It really wastes fuel
> to fly around so low!
>

Why did you waste his time with a silly request?

[Steven P. McNicoll]

"Paul Tomblin" > wrote in message
...
>
> Request VFR Over The Top. You'll be responsible for separation, but you
> can fly your own altitude, but you'll still be IFR.
>

VFR over-the-top is a VFR operation. VFR-on-top is an IFR operation.

[Darkwing]

"Charles Talleyrand" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>I just picked up a used U-2. It's quite a hoot to fly, but I'm having
> some trouble. Maybe you can help me out.
>
> 1) When I go cruising above 60,000 ft I cancel my IFR clearance. Then
> I buzz around a bit. But how do I come back down legally? Obviously
> I need an IFR clearance to decend back down to FL 590, but Center does
> not have to grant my request for a sudden IFR clearance. I have
> limited fuel. What should I do?
>
>
> 2) While I'm up above FL 600, I'm self-seperating from the other
> traffic. But my friend also has a U-2 and we sometimes frequent the
> same airspace. It's nearly impossible to see another plane with a
> closure rate of 1,200 mph, and U-2s don't have TCAS. Can I request
> flight following at these altitudes, just for the help with
> separation?
>
> 3) I was right at 59,999 feet and requested a climb of two feet. The
> controller denied my request! Can he do that? It really wastes fuel
> to fly around so low!
>
> -Much Thanks
> -Charles Talleyrand, U2 pilot
>

I just got my SR71 up and running so stay the hell out of my way.

---------------------------------------------
DW

[Charles Talleyrand]

On Jul 28, 1:20 pm, "Darkwing" <theducksmail"AT"yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Charles Talleyrand" > wrote in message
>
> >I just picked up a used U-2. It's quite a hoot to fly, but I'm having
> > some trouble. Maybe you can help me out.

> I just got my SR71 up and running so stay the hell out of my way.


You are such a fool. There is no civilian supersonic flight over the
US, even above 60,000 feet. Your SR-71 is kinda overkill, and you
must be having trouble landing at some of the smaller grass strips. A
U-2 is the way to go. You can land almost anywhere and still get way
up where the sky turns black.

Besides, our type club is much better than your type club. :-)

[Paul Tomblin]

In a previous article, Charles Talleyrand > said:
>On Jul 28, 1:20 pm, "Darkwing" <theducksmail"AT"yahoo.com> wrote:
>> I just got my SR71 up and running so stay the hell out of my way.
>
>You are such a fool. There is no civilian supersonic flight over the
>US, even above 60,000 feet. Your SR-71 is kinda overkill, and you

That's ok, because I just got my JP-7 KC-767 up and running, so Darkwing
can go play out over the ocean.


--
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-- Gary "Wolf" Barnes

[Matt Whiting]

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
> "Charles Talleyrand" > wrote in message
> oups.com...

>> 3) I was right at 59,999 feet and requested a climb of two feet. The
>> controller denied my request! Can he do that? It really wastes fuel
>> to fly around so low!
>>
>
> Why did you waste his time with a silly request?

Probably for the same reason that several of you have replied to this
troll! :-)

Matt

[Jim Macklin]

You file a composite flight plan, departure IFR to a fix at
FL600, then VFR and then a fix to a point back at FL600 with
an estimated time, route to your landing. Be sure to have
plenty of fuel for the IFR.

I understand Burt Rutan is working on some homebuilt plans
for a 2 seat jet powered version of the LongEze with really
big wings. Be sure to check NASA launch schedule.


"Charles Talleyrand" > wrote in message
oups.com...
|I just picked up a used U-2. It's quite a hoot to fly, but
I'm having
| some trouble. Maybe you can help me out.
|
| 1) When I go cruising above 60,000 ft I cancel my IFR
clearance. Then
| I buzz around a bit. But how do I come back down legally?
Obviously
| I need an IFR clearance to decend back down to FL 590, but
Center does
| not have to grant my request for a sudden IFR clearance. I
have
| limited fuel. What should I do?
|
|
| 2) While I'm up above FL 600, I'm self-seperating from the
other
| traffic. But my friend also has a U-2 and we sometimes
frequent the
| same airspace. It's nearly impossible to see another
plane with a
| closure rate of 1,200 mph, and U-2s don't have TCAS. Can
I request
| flight following at these altitudes, just for the help
with
| separation?
|
| 3) I was right at 59,999 feet and requested a climb of two
feet. The
| controller denied my request! Can he do that? It really
wastes fuel
| to fly around so low!
|
| -Much Thanks
| -Charles Talleyrand, U2 pilot
|

[george]

On Jul 28, 7:52 pm, Charles Talleyrand > wrote:
> I just picked up a used U-2. It's quite a hoot to fly, but I'm having
> some trouble. Maybe you can help me out.
>
> 1) When I go cruising above 60,000 ft I cancel my IFR clearance. Then
> I buzz around a bit. But how do I come back down legally? Obviously
> I need an IFR clearance to decend back down to FL 590, but Center does
> not have to grant my request for a sudden IFR clearance. I have
> limited fuel. What should I do?
>
> 2) While I'm up above FL 600, I'm self-seperating from the other
> traffic. But my friend also has a U-2 and we sometimes frequent the
> same airspace. It's nearly impossible to see another plane with a
> closure rate of 1,200 mph, and U-2s don't have TCAS. Can I request
> flight following at these altitudes, just for the help with
> separation?

File with Nasa. No-one else is able to get up to you :-)