Friday 072707 in Oshkosh Pt 1 - the Raptor [01/30] - "F22 lifting off 18 after very short takeoff roll.jpg" yEnc (0/1) [Archive]

Maple1

July 29th 07, 09:24 AM

Just Plane Noise wrote:
Since it isn't blocked in the group's
> title, and nobody has produced a charter that says yEnc'ed pix aren't
> welcome, I'll continue taking up what little space I take up (look at
> my file sizes, fercrissake) doing what I please so long as I'm
> posting aviation pictures (or maybe pictures of nekkid wimmin
> in/near/on airplanes) . The fact that only some people choose to be
> able to view them certainly doesn't mean they don't belong in the
> group.
>
PLEASE READ THE GUIDE Point # 8 voted on by the group a couple of years
ago..

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Just Plane Noise[_2_]

July 29th 07, 02:28 PM

On Sun, 29 Jul 2007 08:24:45 GMT, Maple1 > wrote:

>>
>PLEASE READ THE GUIDE Point # 8 voted on by the group a couple of years
>ago..
>
>
>
>
> The objective of this Guide is provide posting and behavioral
>guidelines within the
> ALT.BINARIES.PICTURES.AVIATION newsgroup (ABPA). It is NOT LAW.
> Because this NG is self-moderated,users who ignore this Guide can
>expect comments from other users. Serial defaulters may attract stronger
>comments and/or be "kill filtered" or "Plonked" by regular users.
>Therefore, if you wish your aviation pictures to be appreciated by
>visitors, and regulars in this newsgroup, it is to your advantage to
>follow these guidelines.
>

Strong comments don't bother me. Neither do "votes" by an amorphous
and constantly changing body that were taken "a couple of years ago",
which is a long time in modern technology. I actively encourage
people who don't like my chosen method of encoding to "kill filter" or
"plonk" my posts. The fact that anybody actually thinks that is a
sanction shows what a weird world the Internet is.

I looked back over the last 3 or 4 months of posts, and found that
most batch posts had files bigger and often 2-3 times as big as my
typical file, yet mine are almost all 1280 X 1024 images and the
quality is quite good. Among the batches I checked were photos marked
Fairford, Aalborg, Aviation Appreciation BBQ, Fantasy of Flight,
Jaguars Retire, Shawsbury, Pt. Magu (sic). I am not even remotely
critical of those posts--I'm just pointing out that yEnc doesn't make
files nearly as big as UU. RustY posted two samples to this group
back in April comparing the two encoding methods on the same file, and
he was surprised by just how big the size difference was.

However, I'd be lying if I said I used yEnc for size reasons. I use
it because it is convenient--when PowerPost went from UU to yEnc, I
didn't have to learn anything new, so I was (and am) fine with it..
Complainers seem to want me to do something inconvenient for me so as
not to impact their convenience. Not going to happen.

Now, as far as I can tell, the central argument below does not hold. I
have been posting yEnc files without even thinking about it in many
groups ever since PowerPost went yEnc. NOT ONCE have a read a
complaint from someone with a yEnc-enabled reader that they couldn't
decode my particular yEnc files. So whatever version PowerPost uses
apparently does not cause problems.

TO those who enjoy my files, there will be more to come until I'm done
for the year (I only do Oshkosh). To those who can't or don't or
won't, trust me, your life will be just as good or bad as it was with
or without my files, and no damage has been done to you exept in your
own mind (but who knows--given the increasingly litigious nature of
this society, I'm sure some actually think they've been hurt in some
fashion).

>
> 8.
> YENC - is NOT Acceptable.
> Yenc encoding is not yet standardized, so there are different
>versions in use and many news readers do not recognize any
> of them. The same applies to any other non-standard posting
>formats. To avoid upset, please use only the standard
> UU-Encoding when posting your pictures. Besides, if you are
>looking for discussion, or conversation regarding an image,
> you are far more likely obtain it with a standard format
>posting, rather than a non-standard one. To
> be fair about it, if Yenc or some other method does become a
>recognized standard then this will quickly be amended.
>

AWem

July 29th 07, 04:51 PM

On Sun, 29 Jul 2007 00:36:36 -0500, (Just Plane
Noise) wrote:

>
>EAA didn't save the star of the show for last, and neither will I. The F22
>Raptor put on a show that was mightily impressive, even though without
>some of the tricks in the Air Force's video. Following that, it joined
>up with a P38 (the famed Glacier Girl--one of TWO at Oshkosh this year) and an F86.
>
>Tomorrow perhaps the C17 and B2

A great series of pictures and very decsriptive - thanks.

I'd imagine that, to see it for real, I'd get that same sense of "new
excitement" that I got when I watched the BAe Harrier first perform
its impossible routines.

Andy

Andrew B

July 29th 07, 04:55 PM

Why such aggro from usually calm and reasoned individuals - read, ignore or
killfile, Lets just enjoy the most excellent photos posted here.

----------------

And for those care (probably none) here is my take on the discussion.

Given the retention levels of the group ( I can easily get posts made back
in March), given the relative inexpense of disk space (size available on
newsgroup servers), given the numbers of people using broadband access to
the internet and given that ALL newsreaders can view UU encoding why is Yenc
gods gift to posting when the odd 100KB saving is peanuts in the scheme of
things? Surely the posting of files over 1500KB or multipart files is more
of a concern - thankfully we only rarely get these and usually by accident.

While I can accept that those on dialup need small files to reduce download
time I think the saving made by Yenc is hardly worth the argument these
days. I think Yenc followers are more motivated by an almost phobic
fear/hatred of anything Microsoft which to a very very small degree I can
understand.

Personally I can view Yenc seamlessly in OE because I wanted that ability,
however having tried many alternative viewers I have yet to find one that
works as simply/easily as OE and have not found one that works as I want it
to. Indeed some I tried are so unnecessarily complex as to be virtually
unusable and one or two have almost screwed my system.

Given that Yenc is now getting a bit long in the tooth and has still not
achieved universal usage, I feel we should all be using UU as the system
viewable by the greatest majority whilst awaiting the new WMP format or its
successor which will in all probability make Yenc totally obsolete within a
very short time scale.

--
Andrew

"Heavier-than-air flying machines are impossible."
(Lord Kelvin, president, Royal Society, 1895.)

Just Plane Noise[_2_]

July 29th 07, 04:59 PM

On 29 Jul 2007 10:51:02 -0500, AWem > wrote:

>On Sun, 29 Jul 2007 00:36:36 -0500, (Just Plane
>Noise) wrote:
>
>>
>>EAA didn't save the star of the show for last, and neither will I. The F22
>>Raptor put on a show that was mightily impressive, even though without
>>some of the tricks in the Air Force's video. Following that, it joined
>>up with a P38 (the famed Glacier Girl--one of TWO at Oshkosh this year) and an F86.
>>
>>Tomorrow perhaps the C17 and B2
>
>
>A great series of pictures and very decsriptive - thanks.
>
>I'd imagine that, to see it for real, I'd get that same sense of "new
>excitement" that I got when I watched the BAe Harrier first perform
>its impossible routines.
>
>Andy

Yes indeed! People's jaws seem to drop even lower than they did with
the Harrier, though, and that certainly was true for me. It adds an
element of finesse to the power of its immediate F-teen precessors.

Glen in Orlando

July 29th 07, 09:33 PM

I for one really don't care if you post in Jpeg, YEnc, or finger-painting.

However, I occasionally post pics here to SHARE with others of the same
interest, and occaisionally to show off
my "hopefully" improving photography skills. With that said, I am
interested in making my posts available to
the widest possible audience.
yEnc might indeed be a better way to compress and post picture files.... so
what? Isn't the point of posting your photo's
to share it with a wide audience?
yEnc is, for the most part, more difficult to use. The masses tend to use
only a few popular programs for news groups (yes.. the most popular is OE).
It sure seems silly, and a grand waste of time, to insist on posting in a
format that the VAST majority of your audience cannot access.
It realy doesn't waste my time.... but it sure seems like a waste of
yours...

It's funny too, that most people who act like such big shots on an anonymous
forum would probably crap themselves trying to mount the courage to speak
this way to each other in person.

Like I said, yEnc, Jpeg, fingerpaint.... whatever makes you happy.... It
just seems so...... dumb.

Glen in Orlando

Shiver

July 29th 07, 10:09 PM

> Glen in Orlando > wrote:

> However, I occasionally post pics here to SHARE with others of the same
> interest, and occaisionally to show off my "hopefully" improving
> photography skills. With that said, I am interested in making
> my posts available to the widest possible audience.

Glen your hitting the nail squarly on the head.

I have never been able to understand the attitude of some posters
who insist that they are doing it for themselves and they don't care
if you can't see their pictures.

I've always said that I can't miss what I can't see and I assume that
if a poster is using Yenc they (stupidly) really don't care that some
like me will never be able see and appreciate their efforts.

That is their loss not mine.

I can't miss what I can't see.

Just Plane Noise[_2_]

July 30th 07, 03:06 AM

On Sun, 29 Jul 2007 16:33:20 -0400, "Glen in Orlando"
> wrote:

>yEnc might indeed be a better way to compress and post picture files.... so
>what? Isn't the point of posting your photo's
>to share it with a wide audience?

Nope. It is just to share it with those who want to see them enough
to download them and use appropriate software to decode them. I would
expect to do as much if I really wanted somethinbg. I don't expect
others to spoon feed me.

>yEnc is, for the most part, more difficult to use.

I'm sorry, but that's just not true. Agent, for one, is easier to use
than OE (based on my own personal experience), and it handles yEnc
without you even knowing it is handling it. Try it...you'll see.

The masses tend to use
>only a few popular programs for news groups (yes.. the most popular is OE).

Agent is very popular too, though it can't compete with Microsoft's
pre-installed stuff

>It sure seems silly, and a grand waste of time, to insist on posting in a
>format that the VAST majority of your audience cannot access.

That's also a crap statement you can't possibly support unless you've
queried every member of this group (whuch isn't really a group in the
sociological sense and doesn't really have members). Interestingly,
Jeremy Nixon, who wrote a famous analysis called "Why yEnc is bad for
Usenet", also wrote that "yEnc has taken over as the main encoding
scheme used in binary Usenet groups" and he wrote that in 2002--five
years ago. I don't know if he's right about yEnc's prevalence, but it
certainly is a differenmt view than yours.

>It realy doesn't waste my time.... but it sure seems like a waste of
>yours...
>
>It's funny too, that most people who act like such big shots on an anonymous
>forum would probably crap themselves trying to mount the courage to speak
>this way to each other in person.

I couldn't agree more. People seem quick to tell me what to do. But
again, that's another way in which this is not a real group--the
interaction takes place behind various facades.

>
>Like I said, yEnc, Jpeg, fingerpaint.... whatever makes you happy.... It
>just seems so...... dumb.
>
>
>Glen in Orlando
>

Just Plane Noise[_2_]

July 30th 07, 03:15 AM

On Sun, 29 Jul 2007 20:39:13 GMT, urbanwriter >
wrote:

>
>thanks to people for posting pictures they have invested time, energy,
>effort in - even if I can't see them, and I usually can by learning
>something new...
>

Now that is a sentiment I appreciate. Thank you! I've spent lots of
hours taking and then editing even the few pictures I've put up so
far. I don't know f the trend will continue, but those who've
commented on them make me feels those hours were well spent. I will
work at least as hard on the images to come (which will also include
today's B1B flybys).

Noting to put up today though. I spent 3 hours after the airshow,
watching them fuel the U2, only to hear them ask for a light from the
airport to shine on the plane through the night. No time left for
editing, 'cause I'll have to get up early for that bird's departure
(along with pairs of F15s, F22s, T38s, an A10 and a C17). I guess I
gotta get a laptop with a good enough display to do photo editing
while I wait for plane action (and there ain't no such display, I'm
told--daylight will make editing impossible).

Shiver

July 30th 07, 03:24 AM

> Just Plane Noise > wrote:

> People seem quick to tell me what to do.

But you have no qualms about telling all of us what
we are supposed to do.

Clairbear

July 30th 07, 03:55 AM

Maple1 > wrote in :

...
>
>
> Questions or comments about this
> guide should be submitted to the newsgroup
> Alt.Binaries.Pictures.Aviation
>

Only problem with these Guidelines is they are in reality unenforcable and
other than individuals killfiling in other words blocking their own access
to the posts ofthe person they want to sanction there are no real action
that can apply vis-a-vis the "violators" of the said guidlines. Niether you
nor I......or for that matter anyone can block posting or downloading in an
open forum like this. So we just have to learn to get along

"Breath in, Breath out, Move on"-- Jimmy Buffett

BTW I don't use yEnc but I can download it also I find you photography
very good. keep it up

Just Plane Noise[_2_]

July 30th 07, 04:06 AM

On Sun, 29 Jul 2007 21:09:20 GMT, shiver >
wrote:

>
>I've always said that I can't miss what I can't see and I assume that
>if a poster is using Yenc they (stupidly) really don't care that some
>like me will never be able see and appreciate their efforts.
>

I PARTICULARLY don't care that someone like you won't see them. It
isn't stupid--I don't like to have people like you looking at my
efforts.

>That is their loss not mine.

It is the height of arrogance to imply that I have lost something
because you can't see my pictures. I'll call up Bill Maher to give
you a Get Over Yourself award.

>
>I can't miss what I can't see.

Well, well, well. If you don't miss it, how is it you are so worked
up about not seeing it! I suppose I should be thrilled that so many
people are allegedly bothered by the fact that they can't see my
pictures!

I think my pics are what some others have said. They are at least
good. But as I have said at least twice before, you'll survive with
no harm done whatever if you never see my pictures. There are LOADS
of fine pictures of the planes I've photgraphed, made by other
photographers and available free in all kinds of places. Is it that
important that you see mine? (In my best Southern Belle vocal
imitation), why sir, you flatter me!

One last time (I hope): I really really REALLY don't care if only some
choose to view my pictures (and it is a choice). I made them for
me--this group posting was an afterthought when I realized they were
worth taking up group space so that whoever wanted them could have
them. It was a gift in a place where I've found some nice stuff (as a
commercial aviation nut, The Legend of LAX's stuff just makes me
drool--he could post in Ancient Aramaic Encoding, and I'd find a way
to decode it). But people look gift horses in the mouth all the time,
so the reaction of some is not unexpected. Look, you don't want the
gift? Don't take it! There are lots of other fine pictures in this
newsgroup--you don't need mine.

Andrew-S

July 30th 07, 05:00 AM

Such as upgrading our systems to MATCH your images Plane Noise???

Andrew

"shiver" > wrote in message
...
>> Just Plane Noise > wrote:
>
>> People seem quick to tell me what to do.
>
> But you have no qualms about telling all of us what
> we are supposed to do.

Shiver

July 30th 07, 07:42 AM

> Just Plane Noise > wrote:

> I don't like to have people like you looking at my efforts.

You talk too much.

redc1c4

July 30th 07, 08:05 AM

shiver wrote:
>
> > Just Plane Noise > wrote:
>
> > I don't like to have people like you looking at my efforts.
>
> You talk too much.

and says too little doing it....

redc1c4,
in his last life, he was 6 flags over nowhere. %-)
--
"Enlisted men are stupid, but extremely cunning and sly, and bear
considerable watching."

Army Officer's Guide

russell[_2_]

July 30th 07, 09:19 AM

"Just Plane Noise" <> wrote

(and there ain't no such display, I'm
> told--daylight will make editing impossible).

That problem was sorted over one hundred years ago.
Put a big black photographers sheet over your head.

Jim Morris[_2_]

July 30th 07, 11:07 AM

****ing idiot. gfb

vr,

jm

"Just Plane Noise" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 29 Jul 2007 21:09:20 GMT, shiver >
> wrote:
>
>
>>
>>I've always said that I can't miss what I can't see and I assume that
>>if a poster is using Yenc they (stupidly) really don't care that some
>>like me will never be able see and appreciate their efforts.
>>
>
> I PARTICULARLY don't care that someone like you won't see them. It
> isn't stupid--I don't like to have people like you looking at my
> efforts.
>
>>That is their loss not mine.
>
> It is the height of arrogance to imply that I have lost something
> because you can't see my pictures. I'll call up Bill Maher to give
> you a Get Over Yourself award.
>
>>
>>I can't miss what I can't see.
>
> Well, well, well. If you don't miss it, how is it you are so worked
> up about not seeing it! I suppose I should be thrilled that so many
> people are allegedly bothered by the fact that they can't see my
> pictures!
>
> I think my pics are what some others have said. They are at least
> good. But as I have said at least twice before, you'll survive with
> no harm done whatever if you never see my pictures. There are LOADS
> of fine pictures of the planes I've photgraphed, made by other
> photographers and available free in all kinds of places. Is it that
> important that you see mine? (In my best Southern Belle vocal
> imitation), why sir, you flatter me!
>
> One last time (I hope): I really really REALLY don't care if only some
> choose to view my pictures (and it is a choice). I made them for
> me--this group posting was an afterthought when I realized they were
> worth taking up group space so that whoever wanted them could have
> them. It was a gift in a place where I've found some nice stuff (as a
> commercial aviation nut, The Legend of LAX's stuff just makes me
> drool--he could post in Ancient Aramaic Encoding, and I'd find a way
> to decode it). But people look gift horses in the mouth all the time,
> so the reaction of some is not unexpected. Look, you don't want the
> gift? Don't take it! There are lots of other fine pictures in this
> newsgroup--you don't need mine.
>
>
>

Just Plane Noise[_2_]

July 30th 07, 12:22 PM

On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 02:24:40 GMT, shiver >
wrote:

>> Just Plane Noise > wrote:
>
>> People seem quick to tell me what to do.
>
>But you have no qualms about telling all of us what
>we are supposed to do.

Not me, bub. I personally don't care what you or anybody else here
does. Show me even one statement in any of my posts that is even
remotely a command. I and others can tell you what you would need to
do to see yEnc'ed pictures, but none of us are commanding you to do
it.

Just Plane Noise[_2_]

July 30th 07, 12:23 PM

Just Plane Noise[_2_]

July 30th 07, 12:24 PM

On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 06:42:01 GMT, shiver >
wrote:

>> Just Plane Noise > wrote:
>
>> I don't like to have people like you looking at my efforts.
>
>You talk too much.

I even worry your pet.

Just Plane Noise[_2_]

July 30th 07, 12:26 PM

On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 18:19:05 +1000, "russell" > wrote:

>
>"Just Plane Noise" <> wrote
>
>
>(and there ain't no such display, I'm
>> told--daylight will make editing impossible).
>
>That problem was sorted over one hundred years ago.
>Put a big black photographers sheet over your head.
>
>
>
I find that doing that when near military equipment tends to attract
unwanted attention from people with nasty weapons.

chuck

July 30th 07, 02:46 PM

Just take your pics to someone who cares and leave us peasants alone.
"Just Plane Noise" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 06:42:01 GMT, shiver >
> wrote:
>
>>> Just Plane Noise > wrote:
>>
>>> I don't like to have people like you looking at my efforts.
>>
>>You talk too much.
>
> I even worry your pet.

chuck

July 30th 07, 02:52 PM

Then just get the hell out of OUR forum an post your pictures where your
elitists friends can see them.
"Just Plane Noise" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 00:00:16 -0400, "Andrew-S"
> <I-Still-Hate-Spammers@Sorry-I had-to-leave-for-bit.com> wrote:
>
>>Such as upgrading our systems to MATCH your images Plane Noise???
>>
>>Andrew
>>
>>
> No, PLEASE don't do that, I beg you. I wouldn't want you to put out
> any effort at all.

Just Plane Noise[_2_]

July 30th 07, 07:58 PM

On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 07:46:47 -0600, "Chuck" >
wrote:

>Just take your pics to someone who cares and leave us peasants alone.

I'm doing just that. They're in this group. There will be a whole
bunch today.

Just Plane Noise[_2_]

July 30th 07, 08:01 PM

On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 07:52:47 -0600, "Chuck" >
wrote:

>Then just get the hell out of OUR forum an post your pictures where your
>elitists friends can see them.

It ain't YOURS, arrogant twit.

Guybrush Threepwood

July 30th 07, 08:47 PM

shiver wrote:
>> Glen in Orlando > wrote:
>
>> However, I occasionally post pics here to SHARE with others of the
>> same interest, and occaisionally to show off my "hopefully" improving
>> photography skills. With that said, I am interested in making
>> my posts available to the widest possible audience.
>
> Glen your hitting the nail squarly on the head.
>
> I have never been able to understand the attitude of some posters
> who insist that they are doing it for themselves and they don't care
> if you can't see their pictures.
>
> I've always said that I can't miss what I can't see and I assume that
> if a poster is using Yenc they (stupidly) really don't care that some
> like me will never be able see and appreciate their efforts.
>
> That is their loss not mine.
>
> I can't miss what I can't see.

I agree 100%.

"keep it simple"
--

Gruß Guybrush

Dave LaCourse

July 30th 07, 11:38 PM

On Sun, 29 Jul 2007 16:33:20 -0400, "Glen in Orlando"
> wrote:

>Like I said, yEnc, Jpeg, fingerpaint.... whatever makes you happy.... It
>just seems so...... dumb.

I've never owned a computer that couldn't automatically download a
yenc file. In fact, I never even check *what* system the picture is
using. It's all automatic. Seems dumb not to use an up-to-date
computer.

Dave LaCourse

July 30th 07, 11:41 PM

You talk too much.

Dave LaCourse

July 30th 07, 11:46 PM

On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 07:46:47 -0600, "Chuck" >
wrote:

>Just take your pics to someone who cares and leave us peasants alone.

Why are you folks giving this guy such a hard time? If you can not
see his posts, why the hell are you complaining about it. Modernize
and your computer will do it automatically - it doesn't matter whether
it's yenc, jpeg, mpeg, gif, whatever. All this complaining because
you won't modernize your computers maks no sense. Get real. I enjoy
all the photos on this ng, regardless the format posted in. If
someone is posting in a new format and I can't read that format, then
I will up-date my computer so I can read it, or I'll shut the eff up.

Just my $0.02

Dave

Dave LaCourse

July 30th 07, 11:50 PM

On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 00:00:16 -0400, "Andrew-S"
<I-Still-Hate-Spammers@Sorry-I had-to-leave-for-bit.com> wrote:

>Such as upgrading our systems to MATCH your images Plane Noise???

No one is making you upgrade your system. But, yenc is here to stay.
It is on this ng and just about every binary group. If you do not
want to look at Plane's pictures, don't, but please, stop whining
about it. "Oh, booohooo, I can't down-load yenc because my computer
is not up-to-date. Woe is me, blah,blah,blah..."

Dave
(Who has little sympathy for those who will not help themselves.)

Dave LaCourse

July 30th 07, 11:55 PM

On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 07:52:47 -0600, "Chuck" >
wrote:

>Then just get the hell out of OUR forum an post your pictures where your
>elitists friends can see them.

A top poster telling everyone it is "our" newsgroup. Our includes
Plane. And everyone else that wants to look/post on this ng. You
have NO rights whatsoever on usenet, unless it is a moderated ng. And
apparently you do not know that it is considered rude by usenet
standards, to top post.

hth

Dave

Dave LaCourse

July 30th 07, 11:56 PM

On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 05:07:45 -0500, "Jim Morris"
> wrote:

>****ing idiot. gfb

You are top posting and you are calling *him* a effin idiot?

Too funny.

Dave

Shiver

July 30th 07, 11:58 PM

> Dave
> (Who has little sympathy for those who will not help themselves.)

TO THE GROUP........

Is it just me or is there an amazing coincidence between the posting
software (agent) and where he is posting from (giganews) and the
similar setup from just plain noise.

Am I starting to smell a sock puppet in this thread.

Maple1

July 31st 07, 12:15 AM

Dave LaCourse wrote:
Seems dumb not to use an up-to-date
> computer.
>
>

I have a Very up to date computer. YENC is an encoding format to
transfer files and has nothing to do with the computer it has to do with
the program you use to post and read NG files. I just dont feel like
downloading another newsreader I have 3 and none decode YENC I also do
not want to DL another. So I am not loosing out
Post in YENC all you want I no longer care. If you read the guide it
states clearly If you want the greatest exposure use a standard encoding
method. personaly I am tired of the fight and it is not my loss. The
only photos worth seeing in this group belong to Dale "Legend of LAX"
and Glen's that is about the only reason I am still even keeping a
newsreader.
Other then that I can see great work in discussion groups like
Fencecheck.com

BTW Dale you are one who should join that group. You and Glen are a
couple of the best photographers and it is a great place to show off
your work.

Bill

You wont hear another word on YENC from me its not worth bitching over
New Groups are a dieing area anyway.

To bad this used to be a great place to drop in and see others work.

Just Plane Noise[_2_]

July 31st 07, 12:38 AM

On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 22:58:29 GMT, shiver >
wrote:

>
>> Dave
>> (Who has little sympathy for those who will not help themselves.)
>
>TO THE GROUP........
>
>Is it just me or is there an amazing coincidence between the posting
>software (agent) and where he is posting from (giganews) and the
>similar setup from just plain noise.
>
>Am I starting to smell a sock puppet in this thread.

Are you suggesting we're the same person or something? Do you have
any clue how big SAgent is or even bigger Giganews is in terms of
users?

Giganews now has 210 days retention on binaries, and I can't remember
the last time I had to ask anybody for a repost due to imcompleteness
attributable to Giganews. Anybody who is paying the $25 a month
Giganews costs and not getting that kind of service ought to check it
out. I stumbled into Giganews because Usenet service via Road Runner
sucked majorly, but I'm nothing but happy with it.

Andrew-S

July 31st 07, 05:52 AM

An echo of my own thoughts Bill,
This merry battle has gotten really getting out of hand, neither side is
prepared to give an inch. Unfortunately it is also what I feared would
happen this time around,
and the parties on both sides have become so focused they don't see how
damage they are doing to the newsgroup.

The sad reality is that there are so many other interesting places to get
our aviation photo fixes. Pbase is one of my favorites, and though
much more amateur, I also rather like the free service Flickr... I haven't
heard of Fence Check but after a quick search it looks like it too maybe a
interesting place to hang out as well.

Well I have got to clean my sensor, I have a paid shoot at 9:00am., and I
would like to get some sleep.

Andrew

"Maple1" > wrote in message
news:aiuri.18460$rX4.1719@pd7urf2no...
> Dave LaCourse wrote:
> Seems dumb not to use an up-to-date
>> computer.
>>
>>
>
> I have a Very up to date computer. YENC is an encoding format to transfer
> files and has nothing to do with the computer it has to do with the
> program you use to post and read NG files. I just dont feel like
> downloading another newsreader I have 3 and none decode YENC I also do not
> want to DL another. So I am not loosing out
> Post in YENC all you want I no longer care. If you read the guide it
> states clearly If you want the greatest exposure use a standard encoding
> method. personaly I am tired of the fight and it is not my loss. The only
> photos worth seeing in this group belong to Dale "Legend of LAX" and
> Glen's that is about the only reason I am still even keeping a newsreader.
> Other then that I can see great work in discussion groups like
> Fencecheck.com
>
> BTW Dale you are one who should join that group. You and Glen are a couple
> of the best photographers and it is a great place to show off your work.
>
> Bill
>
>
> You wont hear another word on YENC from me its not worth bitching over New
> Groups are a dieing area anyway.
>
> To bad this used to be a great place to drop in and see others work.

Elmo von Thud

July 31st 07, 09:53 AM

On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 05:07:45 -0500, "Top Posting Jim"
> wrote:

>****ing idiot. gfb

[sneep]

I'm really getting into the groove of this high brow, scientific
debate, Jim. As such, I feel a deep and burning desire to respond to
your top heavy post in the following manner:

Growl! Snort! Fume! Rage! Fart! And Ultra Grrrrrrrr!!!

Howzat?

Elmo von Thud

Elmo von Thud

July 31st 07, 10:10 AM

On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 22:58:29 GMT, shiver >
wrote:

>> Dave
>> (Who has little sympathy for those who will not help themselves.)
>
>TO THE GROUP........
>
>Is it just me or is there an amazing coincidence between the posting
>software (agent) and where he is posting from (giganews) and the
>similar setup from just plain noise.
>
>Am I starting to smell a sock puppet in this thread.

Well, shiver me timbers! I post using Agent and I do my dirty work
via Giganews too... Arrrrr!

The sock puppet has died and is giving off an evil foot-rot odour.

Great horny toads! You have a full blown conspiracy on your hands!!

Who can you trust, Shiver? Who can you trust???

Elmo von Thud

Dave LaCourse

July 31st 07, 11:45 AM

On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 22:58:29 GMT, shiver >
wrote:

>Am I starting to smell a sock puppet in this thread.

Check out my e-mail address. I am who I say I am. I'm in the phone
book. I do not know Plane's real name or where he/she lives. There's
only one thing worse than not keeping up with technology, and that's
paranoia.

Dave

Dave LaCourse

July 31st 07, 11:54 AM

On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 00:52:24 -0400, "Andrew-S"
<I-Still-Hate-Spammers@Sorry-I had-to-leave-for-bit.com> wrote:

>the parties on both sides have become so focused they don't see how
>damage they are doing to the newsgroup.

What "damage?" Discussion about a format? It is quite simple: if
you can not down-load yenc, stop complaining about it and do something
about it. Whining never solved anything. I am new to this argument,
but for the life of me, I can not understand why people are
complaining. If they do not want to view yenc or can not, fine. Live
with jpegs. Nothing wrong with that. But, please, stop whining about
anyone who posts yenc.

Of all the things wrong in this world, it seems very, very petty to
boohoo because you can't read yenc. Get a life, get a good news
reader, or shut up.

Dave

Andrew-S

August 1st 07, 01:06 AM

Dave,
Did you read what I said before??? Where I described my system, and what my
thoughts are about yEnc? Or why for example I prefer OE? Better still why I
support the simpler non yEnc environment? There again is just possible in
your infinite arrogance that you missed something? Such as the fact that
even though I dislike yEnc intensely, and don't see the need for it, that I
have been yEnc capable for SEVERAL YEARS NOW!!! Or other concerns
such as that THE VERY ARGUMENT IS HURTING the newsgroup? Or that my biggest
reason for supporting the NON-yEnc argument is that this NG group is aimed
at amateurs,
many of whom are blissfully ignorant of yEnc and either lack the tools or
the skills
to install yEnc reading abilities. Minor details that I have stated over
and over again,
that you and the blindly pro yEnc crowd refuse to hear. Isn't it funny how
none
of the pro shooters in this NG post in yEnc. I wonder why that is???

Golly Gee Whiz somehow it looks as though your really sophisticated readers
missed
something!! or it could it have been the users of these readers that are
missing something?
I know it was all the plane noise in the background. By the way when was
the last time
did a photo shoot? or for that matter when was the last time you posted a
top rate image
of your own? Hmmm I didn't think so..

In the meantime my narrow minded friend I have two words for you and the
letter of the
first word starts with an "F" it is then followed the word OFF!!!

Andrew

"Dave LaCourse" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 00:52:24 -0400, "Andrew-S"
> <I-Still-Hate-Spammers@Sorry-I had-to-leave-for-bit.com> wrote:
>
>>the parties on both sides have become so focused they don't see how
>>damage they are doing to the newsgroup.
>
> What "damage?" Discussion about a format? It is quite simple: if
> you can not down-load yenc, stop complaining about it and do something
> about it. Whining never solved anything. I am new to this argument,
> but for the life of me, I can not understand why people are
> complaining. If they do not want to view yenc or can not, fine. Live
> with jpegs. Nothing wrong with that. But, please, stop whining about
> anyone who posts yenc.
>
> Of all the things wrong in this world, it seems very, very petty to
> boohoo because you can't read yenc. Get a life, get a good news
> reader, or shut up.
>
> Dave

Dave LaCourse

August 1st 07, 03:45 AM

On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 20:06:45 -0400, "Andrew-S"
<I-Still-Hate-Spammers@Sorry-I had-to-leave-for-bit.com> wrote:

>Dave,
>Did you read what I said before??? Where I described my system, and what my
>thoughts are about yEnc? Or why for example I prefer OE? Better still why I
>support the simpler non yEnc environment? There again is just possible in
>your infinite arrogance that you missed something? Such as the fact that
>even though I dislike yEnc intensely, and don't see the need for it, that I
>have been yEnc capable for SEVERAL YEARS NOW!!! Or other concerns
>such as that THE VERY ARGUMENT IS HURTING the newsgroup? Or that my biggest
>reason for supporting the NON-yEnc argument is that this NG group is aimed
>at amateurs,
>many of whom are blissfully ignorant of yEnc and either lack the tools or
>the skills
>to install yEnc reading abilities. Minor details that I have stated over
>and over again,
>that you and the blindly pro yEnc crowd refuse to hear. Isn't it funny how
>none
>of the pro shooters in this NG post in yEnc. I wonder why that is???
>
>
>Golly Gee Whiz somehow it looks as though your really sophisticated readers
>missed
>something!! or it could it have been the users of these readers that are
>missing something?
>I know it was all the plane noise in the background. By the way when was
>the last time
>did a photo shoot? or for that matter when was the last time you posted a
>top rate image
>of your own? Hmmm I didn't think so..
>
>
>In the meantime my narrow minded friend I have two words for you and the
>letter of the
>first word starts with an "F" it is then followed the word OFF!!!
>
>Andrew
>
Andrew, it matters not to me whether you like or dislike yenc, whether
you can or can not use it to down load pics. The question is, how is
it hurting this ng?

The only "hurt" I see is people who complain and whine because someone
is posting in yenc. What the hell kind of attitude is that? It's
there to be looked at or ignored. It need not be a source of whining.
Open it, ignore it. It is that simply. Why must you whine about it.
You're a spoiled little child talking like that.

And to say eff off to me, well, I ain't goin' anyplace, kid. I'm here
to stay, downing both yenc and non-yenc pictures, both non-pro and
pro. (BTW, if you have down loaded any of Plane's pictures, you will
see that he is a very good photographer. But, how could you possibly
know that unless you down load his yenc files.) d;o)

I have only posted a couple of pictures on this ng - some MiGs I
photographed in Petropavlosk, Kamchatka, Russia while on a fly fishing
exposition. You make it sound like I have to have a PhD in graphic
arts to post anything. I am a lurker, mainly, enjoying every kind of
format posted here. You should try it, kid.

As far as telling you to eff off, that ain't my style, kid. It serves
no purpose to use vulgarities on the internet. Now, if you told that
to me face to face, uhhh, things might be a little different,
dontchaknow. d;o)

Dave
(Who is *positive* that the kid ain't gettin' the message.)

Andrew-S

August 1st 07, 07:12 AM

You have a PhD and your point is??? Hell 2/3rds of the population in
Washington DC metro area have degrees. Even more impressive is that I think
it is something like only 1 in 6 is actually the degree in the field for
which they where trained. As for your specific graphics training? I work in
a camera shop and I have at least 3 or 4 people a day tell me they either a
pro or they have this or that degree in either graphics or photography. The
more professional ones come in asking for advice or knowing what they want,
it is only later on when they pull out a Black Amex Titanium (as in a real
titanium not plastic card) with their company name on it that you realize
what they are.

Outside of that though let me make sure I understand the time line here.
You direct unsupported statements about getting a yEnc decoder to myself...
Without ever reading my postings regarding the subject and I respond in
anger... Hmm did I miss something there with my lowly OE???

As for being a kid, age wise I am 43 so how that compares against you I am
not sure.. On the other hand I have been in and out of this NG for about 10
years or so, often as an active poster and just as many times as a lurker.
Now then regarding your time in the group, how long did you say you have
been here? Speaking of which, when did I suggest you or anybody else leave
the group? Check again and make sure that you don't have me confused with
someone else.

As for ignoring or not ignoring things... I rather thought that is what I
was saying to Bill when I mentioned the other interesting places to get our
Aviation Photo Fixes... A comment though not private, that was directed
towards Bill.

So my next and most obvious question is how much further do you want this to
go? Do we meet somewhere in a ring? or perhaps something more interesting
like dueling pistols?

Okay beyond the bad jokes...
Arguable the bravest (or perhaps dumbest) thing to do in any sort of battle
is to stand up, put down your weapon first and say "I am not going to
fight". Not because you or I or indeed anyone else is a coward, but
because you see a greater danger by continuing the fight. Which is where
I am at right now with our war of words and the NGs current yEnc debates.
The clearest example of this is what has just transpired between us!!! You
didn't read my prior postings? You made a comment that I took for being
snide, and I responded by escalating it yet again...

As for the damage to the group...
I am referring to the constant bickering that erupts every single time
anyone makes a comment regarding yEnc. It doesn't matter whether it be a
pro or anti yEnc comments, whether it be in anger as is currently happening
with OUR "you said I said" war of words. Or making a simple comments,
either as peace overtures, or an inflammatory tag line to a posting. The
name or process or whatever you choose to call yEnc is at this moment in
time is a hot button word. People ON BOTH SIDES bar their teeth and start
barking the moment it is even breathed. Hell look what happens when people
suggest ignoring it!!! The very word yEnc is like mentioning Bomb half way
into round the world flight on an airliner. The very fact that you where
talking about a roach bomb your neighbors had to use in their house is
irrelevant. The only word that anyone heard was "Bomb" and everyone freaks
out. Say yEnc in this NG and you get the cyber equivalent... In the
meantime more and more people are walking away from the group because of
this war of words.

Until very recently I was prepared to lay the blame on a handful of
individuals for starting it, HOWEVER it no longer really matters anymore who
started it, or even why it started. Because if ANY ONE including myself and
you, has made a single or caustic or snide remark on the subject we are as
guilty as any of those who actaully did start it. This includes BOTH ANTI
AND PRO yEnc supporters... Whether you love yEnc, or hate yEnc at this
point in time it doesn't matter; yEnc should be considered a forbidden
subject in any form. Or at least until the temperature cools down quite a
bit.

To bring it back to our exchange...
Dave believe me when I say this you are not "showing me", and I am not
running away from our exchange. If you knew me as a person you would
quickly realize that I may commit a 1000 sins, but cowardice isn't one of
them. On the other hand I am simply stating that I have no wish to continue
a war of words that I see as detrimental to the group. So if you continue
it, that is your choice, but it will be a very lonely war of words.

Andrew

"Dave LaCourse" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 20:06:45 -0400, "Andrew-S"
> <I-Still-Hate-Spammers@Sorry-I had-to-leave-for-bit.com> wrote:
>
>>Dave,
>>Did you read what I said before??? Where I described my system, and what
>>my
>>thoughts are about yEnc? Or why for example I prefer OE? Better still why
>>I
>>support the simpler non yEnc environment? There again is just possible in
>>your infinite arrogance that you missed something? Such as the fact that
>>even though I dislike yEnc intensely, and don't see the need for it, that
>>I
>>have been yEnc capable for SEVERAL YEARS NOW!!! Or other concerns
>>such as that THE VERY ARGUMENT IS HURTING the newsgroup? Or that my
>>biggest
>>reason for supporting the NON-yEnc argument is that this NG group is aimed
>>at amateurs,
>>many of whom are blissfully ignorant of yEnc and either lack the tools or
>>the skills
>>to install yEnc reading abilities. Minor details that I have stated over
>>and over again,
>>that you and the blindly pro yEnc crowd refuse to hear. Isn't it funny
>>how
>>none
>>of the pro shooters in this NG post in yEnc. I wonder why that is???
>>
>>
>>Golly Gee Whiz somehow it looks as though your really sophisticated
>>readers
>>missed
>>something!! or it could it have been the users of these readers that are
>>missing something?
>>I know it was all the plane noise in the background. By the way when was
>>the last time
>>did a photo shoot? or for that matter when was the last time you posted a
>>top rate image
>>of your own? Hmmm I didn't think so..
>>
>>
>>In the meantime my narrow minded friend I have two words for you and the
>>letter of the
>>first word starts with an "F" it is then followed the word OFF!!!
>>
>>Andrew
>>
> Andrew, it matters not to me whether you like or dislike yenc, whether
> you can or can not use it to down load pics. The question is, how is
> it hurting this ng?
>
> The only "hurt" I see is people who complain and whine because someone
> is posting in yenc. What the hell kind of attitude is that? It's
> there to be looked at or ignored. It need not be a source of whining.
> Open it, ignore it. It is that simply. Why must you whine about it.
> You're a spoiled little child talking like that.
>
> And to say eff off to me, well, I ain't goin' anyplace, kid. I'm here
> to stay, downing both yenc and non-yenc pictures, both non-pro and
> pro. (BTW, if you have down loaded any of Plane's pictures, you will
> see that he is a very good photographer. But, how could you possibly
> know that unless you down load his yenc files.) d;o)
>
> I have only posted a couple of pictures on this ng - some MiGs I
> photographed in Petropavlosk, Kamchatka, Russia while on a fly fishing
> exposition. You make it sound like I have to have a PhD in graphic
> arts to post anything. I am a lurker, mainly, enjoying every kind of
> format posted here. You should try it, kid.
>
> As far as telling you to eff off, that ain't my style, kid. It serves
> no purpose to use vulgarities on the internet. Now, if you told that
> to me face to face, uhhh, things might be a little different,
> dontchaknow. d;o)
>
> Dave
> (Who is *positive* that the kid ain't gettin' the message.)
>
>
>
>

P50[_2_]

August 1st 07, 09:35 AM

"Andrew-S" <I-Still-Hate-Spammers@Sorry-I had-to-leave-for-bit.com> wrote in
message ...
> You have a PhD and your point is??? Hell 2/3rds of the population in
> Washington DC metro area have degrees.

Andrew re-read what was said.
He did not say he had one, even though he may or may not.

What he actually said was;
"You make it sound like I have to have a PhD in graphic
arts to post anything."

Dave LaCourse

August 1st 07, 12:47 PM

On Wed, 1 Aug 2007 02:12:14 -0400, "Andrew-S"
<I-Still-Hate-Spammers@Sorry-I had-to-leave-for-bit.com> wrote:

>You have a PhD and your point is??? Hell 2/3rds of the population in
>Washington DC metro area have degrees. Even more impressive is that I think
>it is something like only 1 in 6 is actually the degree in the field for
>which they where trained. As for your specific graphics training? I work in
>a camera shop and I have at least 3 or 4 people a day tell me they either a
>pro or they have this or that degree in either graphics or photography. The
>more professional ones come in asking for advice or knowing what they want,
>it is only later on when they pull out a Black Amex Titanium (as in a real
>titanium not plastic card) with their company name on it that you realize
>what they are.

Uhh, you need to take a course in reading comprehension, kid. Where
did I say I have a PhD? I have no graphics training. (Twenty years in
the Navy, twenty years as an opto-electronics engineer, ten years as a
high performance driving instructor for cops, but no PhD.) d;o)

Forty-three? So I *was* correct. I have kids older than you.

This thing can end very easily, Andrew: Stop your incessant whining.
It does not become you.

As for the cowardice thingy.... we all say things on the internet that
we would not say if we were face to face with each other. Your
telling me to **** off is an example. I know you wouldn't say that to
me face to face, not because you are a coward, but because I know you
are better than that. You read to much into peoples' words.

Dave
(Who, at 70 and 6"1' (shrinking!), 220 pounds has absolutely NO
interest in fighting anyone. Been there. Done that. Have the
t-shirt.)

Dave LaCourse

August 1st 07, 12:50 PM

On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 08:35:48 GMT, "P50" > wrote:

>
>"Andrew-S" <I-Still-Hate-Spammers@Sorry-I had-to-leave-for-bit.com> wrote in
>message ...
>> You have a PhD and your point is??? Hell 2/3rds of the population in
>> Washington DC metro area have degrees.
>
>Andrew re-read what was said.
>He did not say he had one, even though he may or may not.
>
>What he actually said was;
>"You make it sound like I have to have a PhD in graphic
>arts to post anything."
>
>

<buzzer> "We have a winner in the balcony, Doctor."

Thank you, P50. I have NO degree. But, my wife does have a PhD in
solid state physics (UNC, Chapel Hill).

Andrew-S

August 1st 07, 06:17 PM

I stand corrected...

and you are of course correct..

Andrew

"P50" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Andrew-S" <I-Still-Hate-Spammers@Sorry-I had-to-leave-for-bit.com> wrote
> in message ...
>> You have a PhD and your point is??? Hell 2/3rds of the population in
>> Washington DC metro area have degrees.
>
> Andrew re-read what was said.
> He did not say he had one, even though he may or may not.
>
> What he actually said was;
> "You make it sound like I have to have a PhD in graphic
> arts to post anything."
>
>
>

Andrew-S

August 1st 07, 06:58 PM

Dave,
I will happily stand corrected on the PhD issue and offer my apologies for
that miss-reading... Blame it on the heat of the emotions...

In fairness though you too have misread a few things.. Such as why I am
opposed to yEnc or that even though I dislike using it I am in fact yEnc
capable. A big Part of the reason for my anti-yEnc stance is that this
group is aimed towards Amateurs in both aviation Photography AND the
Newsgroups. Oh and by the way most of the other NON-Porn image groups have
had similar discussions and arguments as this one has at some point in their
respective histories. Why it has reached the levels of intensity that this
one has I can only attribute to the fact that this a male dominated
(frequently ex-military or police) group. And lads who disagree typically
want to puff out their chests and expound their views. The hardest part
though is resisting those urges without feeling or looking like a panzy
(spelling?) showing off his frilly pink underwear in public.

In my opinion given how angry people get about yEnc, it should for moment be
considered a taboo subject for a few weeks in the NG. As in no discussion
of why it is good or bad. No remarks about the whining (and please don't
try to argue that the pro yEnc crowd doesn't whine). No snide remarks about
the abilities associated with this or that reader. Just let the it die as a
subject for the moment... A cooling off period that I think would do the
group a world of good. I am looking at the broader issue which is what it
is hurting the group.

Having said that someone just posted a batch of images in yEnc without the
required yEnc in the subject line. Now then yEnc supporters here is your
chance to enforce your own rules... I fully expect to see all the pro yEnc
names that have engaged the anti-yEnc side when the flaming begins.
Preferable without all the nasty comments regarding those of us who dislike
yEnc...

Now go get him!!!

Andrew

"Dave LaCourse" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 1 Aug 2007 02:12:14 -0400, "Andrew-S"
> <I-Still-Hate-Spammers@Sorry-I had-to-leave-for-bit.com> wrote:
>
>>You have a PhD and your point is??? Hell 2/3rds of the population in
>>Washington DC metro area have degrees. Even more impressive is that I
>>think
>>it is something like only 1 in 6 is actually the degree in the field for
>>which they where trained. As for your specific graphics training? I work
>>in
>>a camera shop and I have at least 3 or 4 people a day tell me they either
>>a
>>pro or they have this or that degree in either graphics or photography.
>>The
>>more professional ones come in asking for advice or knowing what they
>>want,
>>it is only later on when they pull out a Black Amex Titanium (as in a
>>real
>>titanium not plastic card) with their company name on it that you realize
>>what they are.
>
> Uhh, you need to take a course in reading comprehension, kid. Where
> did I say I have a PhD? I have no graphics training. (Twenty years in
> the Navy, twenty years as an opto-electronics engineer, ten years as a
> high performance driving instructor for cops, but no PhD.) d;o)
>
> Forty-three? So I *was* correct. I have kids older than you.
>
> This thing can end very easily, Andrew: Stop your incessant whining.
> It does not become you.
>
> As for the cowardice thingy.... we all say things on the internet that
> we would not say if we were face to face with each other. Your
> telling me to **** off is an example. I know you wouldn't say that to
> me face to face, not because you are a coward, but because I know you
> are better than that. You read to much into peoples' words.
>
> Dave
> (Who, at 70 and 6"1' (shrinking!), 220 pounds has absolutely NO
> interest in fighting anyone. Been there. Done that. Have the
> t-shirt.)
>
>
>

John Meyer

August 1st 07, 06:58 PM

In article >,
"Andrew-S" <I-Still-Hate-Spammers@Sorry-I had-to-leave-for-bit.com>
wrote:

> You have a PhD and your point is??? Hell 2/3rds of the population in
> Washington DC metro area have degrees.

[Much vitriol snipped]

> quickly realize that I may commit a 1000 sins, but cowardice isn't one of
> them. On the other hand I am simply stating that I have no wish to continue
> a war of words that I see as detrimental to the group. So if you continue
> it, that is your choice, but it will be a very lonely war of words.
>
> Andrew

Take a xanax or something Andy, before you burst a vein.

--
One is always considered mad when one perfects something that others can
not grasp.*- Ed Wood

AWem

August 1st 07, 07:39 PM

Dave,

I like your $0.02
If these habitual complainers put $0.02 in a jar each time they
launched off into their peurile diatribes, they'd soon have enough
saved up so that they could pay for a real newsreader - the ones that
handle Yenc as well as any other format - instead of expecting to
piggy-back on others' efforts for FREE. But I guess they're too tight.

On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 18:46:11 -0400, Dave LaCourse
> wrote:

>On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 07:46:47 -0600, "Chuck" >
>wrote:
>
>>Just take your pics to someone who cares and leave us peasants alone.
>
>Why are you folks giving this guy such a hard time? If you can not
>see his posts, why the hell are you complaining about it. Modernize
>and your computer will do it automatically - it doesn't matter whether
>it's yenc, jpeg, mpeg, gif, whatever. All this complaining because
>you won't modernize your computers maks no sense. Get real. I enjoy
>all the photos on this ng, regardless the format posted in. If
>someone is posting in a new format and I can't read that format, then
>I will up-date my computer so I can read it, or I'll shut the eff up.
>
>Just my $0.02
>
>
>Dave

Shiver

August 1st 07, 07:51 PM

TO THE GROUP.

You know folks this has always been a friendly group.

Oh yes a few agitators show up from time to time just like they have
this past few weeks.

But on the average it has always been a friendly group.

It's surprising that in the past few weeks just two or three
johnny come latelys have shown up with a desire to destroy this group.

HEY - LET'S BE HONEST.

They must be here to destroy it because they certainly are not
acting like reponsible adults who wish to build it up.

NOW ARE THEY.?????

I'll bet that these little assholes have jobs and that on the first day
of the job they were told there were certain standards and that they
were expected to follow those standards or else.

I'll bet they raised their children in a household that has certain
standards and that they expected those children to follow those
standards.

I'll bet they sleep beside a woman who has certain standards that have
to be met.... or else.

If they joined a social club, sports club, or any organization there
would be certain standards that they would be expected to adhere too.

Or else they would be told to leave and not come back.

In reality if people don't follow certain standards they get fired from
their jobs, divorced by their wives, or kicked out of the club.

But this is cyber space and instead of coming into the group and
realizing that the majority had settle the Yenc problem by declaring
this a Yenc free group years ago..... they have decided as a small
group
of relative unknowns and newcomers to be total assholes and disregard
the requests of the majority.

They have decided that their standards are more important than the
overall welfare of the group as a whole.

People like Andrew who has been here for ten years posting many many
thousands of pictures can't hold a candle to these guys.

People like Andrew are strictly dirt under their fingernails and the
way they behave is this group is more important than anybody and
everybody else.

But within a few months they will disappear just like every other
asshole who has tried to disrupt this group has disappeared.

They say they won't but we all know they will.

They will realize that no matter how much they mouth off, or try to ram
Yenc down everybodies throat that the following they are hoping for did
not materialize.

And when they realize they have few friends here and that the majority
is not responding to their postings in a positive manner they will go
and this group can get back to normal.

And to you the small group who are disrupting this newsgroup right now
I point out the obvious that you could have come in with your best foot
forward, telling us a little bit about who you are, what your interests
are. You would have seen that Yenc was frowned upon, and for all that
software you talk about I presume that if Yenc can be turned on it can
also be turned off.

Now that would have been the mature way to join the group, and if you
had done that you guys would have been immediately welcomed into this
little group of airplane enthusiasts with open arms.

Instead you have decided that for a short time you will be the assholes
of the group.

And guys I just can't understand why you take that attitude and act
this way when the absolute majority here would rather welcome you with
open arms as new friends.

But that's a decision you guys made.

SO GO AHEAD AND ENJOY YOURSELF.

When you get tired of little or no attention or response, you will
disappear just like every other asshole has disappeared before you,
because you will be ignored just like every other asshole before you
has been ignored.

You guys came here with no friends and you will leave here with no
friends. And that is a decision you guys made all on your own.

August 1st 07, 08:19 PM

So far, Andrew is ahead in the war of words, if you consider volume. (word
count, not dB)
,
Anti yEnc: Not missing what you can't see is kinda like not answering the back
doorbell because you don't like the sound. (look a gift horse in the mouth)
Maybe the newbies can't decode yEnc. They should not be urged to expand their
capabilities. Three newsreaders that don't decode yEnc. Wise choice. How
many do you needed?
,
It is better to light a candle than curse the darkness. Then, if you don't
like what you see, extinguish the candle, but hold harmless the one that
furnished it.
,
Pro yEnc: Old dog, new trick - horse to water come to mind. (what's left of
it)
,
The anti and and pro yEncers are a continual source of amusement. To see
folks banging their heads against opposite sides of the same brick wall, and
they still haven't figured out that the pain will fade if they stop. Everyone
is entitled to their own opinion, but nobody has the right to stifle others'.
,
I have no problem with yEnc. I have a problem with those that think I should.
,
DS

Maple1

August 1st 07, 08:37 PM

Well Said............

Boomerang

August 1st 07, 09:11 PM

What a sensible statement! Whilst all this hubris has been happening, I
quietly downloaded the free yEnc thing that works just fine and I've been
enjoying some great Oshkosh stuff that I surely would have otherwise
missed...

Andrew-S

August 1st 07, 09:30 PM

I need a break so I think I will go fly a patrol with a local PD...

If anyone cares to hold up a liquor store and give me a stress reliever now
is the time!!! Just remember to keep it within the air defence perimeter of
Washington DC. This way all the Police Helicopters can have a clear view of
the chase without having to worry about annoying news copters...

Andrew

"shiver" > wrote in message
...
> TO THE GROUP.
>
> You know folks this has always been a friendly group.
>
> Oh yes a few agitators show up from time to time just like they have
> this past few weeks.
>
> But on the average it has always been a friendly group.
>
> It's surprising that in the past few weeks just two or three
> johnny come latelys have shown up with a desire to destroy this group.
>
> HEY - LET'S BE HONEST.
>
> They must be here to destroy it because they certainly are not
> acting like reponsible adults who wish to build it up.
>
> NOW ARE THEY.?????
>
> I'll bet that these little assholes have jobs and that on the first day
> of the job they were told there were certain standards and that they
> were expected to follow those standards or else.
>
> I'll bet they raised their children in a household that has certain
> standards and that they expected those children to follow those
> standards.
>
> I'll bet they sleep beside a woman who has certain standards that have
> to be met.... or else.
>
> If they joined a social club, sports club, or any organization there
> would be certain standards that they would be expected to adhere too.
>
> Or else they would be told to leave and not come back.
>
> In reality if people don't follow certain standards they get fired from
> their jobs, divorced by their wives, or kicked out of the club.
>
> But this is cyber space and instead of coming into the group and
> realizing that the majority had settle the Yenc problem by declaring
> this a Yenc free group years ago..... they have decided as a small
> group
> of relative unknowns and newcomers to be total assholes and disregard
> the requests of the majority.
>
> They have decided that their standards are more important than the
> overall welfare of the group as a whole.
>
> People like Andrew who has been here for ten years posting many many
> thousands of pictures can't hold a candle to these guys.
>
> People like Andrew are strictly dirt under their fingernails and the
> way they behave is this group is more important than anybody and
> everybody else.
>
> But within a few months they will disappear just like every other
> asshole who has tried to disrupt this group has disappeared.
>
> They say they won't but we all know they will.
>
> They will realize that no matter how much they mouth off, or try to ram
> Yenc down everybodies throat that the following they are hoping for did
> not materialize.
>
> And when they realize they have few friends here and that the majority
> is not responding to their postings in a positive manner they will go
> and this group can get back to normal.
>
> And to you the small group who are disrupting this newsgroup right now
> I point out the obvious that you could have come in with your best foot
> forward, telling us a little bit about who you are, what your interests
> are. You would have seen that Yenc was frowned upon, and for all that
> software you talk about I presume that if Yenc can be turned on it can
> also be turned off.
>
> Now that would have been the mature way to join the group, and if you
> had done that you guys would have been immediately welcomed into this
> little group of airplane enthusiasts with open arms.
>
> Instead you have decided that for a short time you will be the assholes
> of the group.
>
> And guys I just can't understand why you take that attitude and act
> this way when the absolute majority here would rather welcome you with
> open arms as new friends.
>
> But that's a decision you guys made.
>
> SO GO AHEAD AND ENJOY YOURSELF.
>
> When you get tired of little or no attention or response, you will
> disappear just like every other asshole has disappeared before you,
> because you will be ignored just like every other asshole before you
> has been ignored.
>
> You guys came here with no friends and you will leave here with no
> friends. And that is a decision you guys made all on your own.

Just Plane Noise[_2_]

August 2nd 07, 01:13 AM

On Wed, 1 Aug 2007 16:11:32 -0400, "Boomerang"
> wrote:

>What a sensible statement! Whilst all this hubris has been happening, I
>quietly downloaded the free yEnc thing that works just fine and I've been
>enjoying some great Oshkosh stuff that I surely would have otherwise
>missed...
>

Assuming you meant my pix, thanks for the kind words!

Just Plane Noise[_2_]

August 2nd 07, 01:33 AM

>
>Having said that someone just posted a batch of images in yEnc without the
>required yEnc in the subject line. Now then yEnc supporters here is your
>chance to enforce your own rules... I fully expect to see all the pro yEnc
>names that have engaged the anti-yEnc side when the flaming begins.
>Preferable without all the nasty comments regarding those of us who dislike
>yEnc...
>
>Now go get him!!!
>
>Andrew
>

The only "just posted" batch I see is mine, and all are marked "yEnc."
Did I miss a batch?

Andrew-S

August 2nd 07, 07:53 AM

Shiver..
Thank you for your kind words of support...
I don't think that the newbies or indeed anyone else is here to destroy the
group... I am quite sure that 99% of them are sincere in their desires to
be a part of the group and further improve upon it. Plane Noise, Clearbare
and a few others who's names escape me are no more bent upon this groups
destruction then you or I are bent on destroying the needle point newsgroup.

Have many of the newer particpants been rude and insulting? F---ing right
many of them have! Could a few of them benefit from a course in basic
manners? Damn straight they could!!! But these same charges could be laid
upon
a few of us who have been here for several years. We bristle and bar our
fangs the moment anyone even mentions the dreaded yEnc, and certainly our
remarks have been just as course and tactless as those who favor yEnc.

Many of the newer arrivals have remarked that we are stuck in the past with
our steadfast refusal accept the dreaded yEnc. Which rightly, or wrongly it
could be argued we are. In this latest episode of the yEnc debates I would
argue that the blame for the heated exchanges is very much a shared blame.
Look at my exchange with Dave if you want an example. He made what I
considered some rude snide remarks without reading any of my previous
comments. I in turn told him to F$%^ Off and then to compound things even
further I miss read two of his replies. So who is at fault? Yes it could
be said well if he had read my earlier statements there would have been no
need for the snide remarks. On the other hand if I had CLEARLY read his
responses perhaps it would not have heated up so fast. Two wrongs or???

One of the things that makes this Newsgroup a little bit different from any
other NG is that it is aimed at a mix of amatuer and pro aviation photo
geeks. It also by design intended to appeal to newbies who have just
discovered the wonderfull world of Newsgroups. Which is one of the biggest
reasons for my own opposition to yEnc which may confound and confuse newbies
who maybe a little shy about asking questions. When my e-mail address was
public I was constantly inundated by questions about this group,
unfortunatly in recent years due to the spam issues I have had to change to
an annoymous E-mail status. But every now and again some one will track me
down and ask a question. With the current battles though everthing has
changed and I would be willing to bet that the number of lurkers has dropped
dramaticaly. After all if you discovered a really cool sounding Newsgroup
that
appealed to you, would you want to listen to a bunch of silly twits argue
about a subject that you do not understand or care about? Then to make
matters worse the level of hostility that the waring sides are displaying
makes it seem unwise to even broach the question about what is this yEnc
thing that they are arguing about. So again why would you even want to join
such a NG, and hang around?

This group like most of the others out there has an incredible number of
lurkers, I would venture to say that it could be as many a COUPLE OF
THOUSAND. Though we will never know for sure the exact number because for
their own reasons they choose not make their presence known. Do you
remember when I asked the simple question "Where is everyone from?" Look at
the HUNDREDS who responded!!! Many also included little bits of information
about themselves, and reading their tales I thought was fascinating. I
have even heard a couple of unconfirmed tales that our group has or had a
few celebrities hidden in our midst. Again though we will never know and
one of the really cool things about the NGs is that you can hide yourself so
easily.

Which brings me to my final point...
One of my biggest concerns right now is not the question of to yEnc or not
to yEnc, instead it this the very argument! Basically we are spending so
much time and energy arguing about that it is turning people away. We are
also doing an enormous disservice to some bigger issues and events than a
posting method. Last week we lost two great air show performers, and though
some did comment upon the loss. Many of us where so wrapped up in our petty
differences that we barely acknowledged the tragedy. For my part I feel
rather a shamed of myself for that...

Here is a challenge to everyone who responds to this long winded reply of
mine.
Post an image with your reply and let's see what the group produces.

Attached is an image from an air show that Jim Leroy flew at in West
Virginia a few years ago... It was taken by me, but is not copyrighted...

Andrew

"shiver" > wrote in message
...
> TO THE GROUP.
>
> You know folks this has always been a friendly group.
>
> Oh yes a few agitators show up from time to time just like they have
> this past few weeks.
>
> But on the average it has always been a friendly group.
>
> It's surprising that in the past few weeks just two or three
> johnny come latelys have shown up with a desire to destroy this group.
>
> HEY - LET'S BE HONEST.
>
> They must be here to destroy it because they certainly are not
> acting like reponsible adults who wish to build it up.
>
> NOW ARE THEY.?????
>
> I'll bet that these little assholes have jobs and that on the first day
> of the job they were told there were certain standards and that they
> were expected to follow those standards or else.
>
> I'll bet they raised their children in a household that has certain
> standards and that they expected those children to follow those
> standards.
>
> I'll bet they sleep beside a woman who has certain standards that have
> to be met.... or else.
>
> If they joined a social club, sports club, or any organization there
> would be certain standards that they would be expected to adhere too.
>
> Or else they would be told to leave and not come back.
>
> In reality if people don't follow certain standards they get fired from
> their jobs, divorced by their wives, or kicked out of the club.
>
> But this is cyber space and instead of coming into the group and
> realizing that the majority had settle the Yenc problem by declaring
> this a Yenc free group years ago..... they have decided as a small
> group
> of relative unknowns and newcomers to be total assholes and disregard
> the requests of the majority.
>
> They have decided that their standards are more important than the
> overall welfare of the group as a whole.
>
> People like Andrew who has been here for ten years posting many many
> thousands of pictures can't hold a candle to these guys.
>
> People like Andrew are strictly dirt under their fingernails and the
> way they behave is this group is more important than anybody and
> everybody else.
>
> But within a few months they will disappear just like every other
> asshole who has tried to disrupt this group has disappeared.
>
> They say they won't but we all know they will.
>
> They will realize that no matter how much they mouth off, or try to ram
> Yenc down everybodies throat that the following they are hoping for did
> not materialize.
>
> And when they realize they have few friends here and that the majority
> is not responding to their postings in a positive manner they will go
> and this group can get back to normal.
>
> And to you the small group who are disrupting this newsgroup right now
> I point out the obvious that you could have come in with your best foot
> forward, telling us a little bit about who you are, what your interests
> are. You would have seen that Yenc was frowned upon, and for all that
> software you talk about I presume that if Yenc can be turned on it can
> also be turned off.
>
> Now that would have been the mature way to join the group, and if you
> had done that you guys would have been immediately welcomed into this
> little group of airplane enthusiasts with open arms.
>
> Instead you have decided that for a short time you will be the assholes
> of the group.
>
> And guys I just can't understand why you take that attitude and act
> this way when the absolute majority here would rather welcome you with
> open arms as new friends.
>
> But that's a decision you guys made.
>
> SO GO AHEAD AND ENJOY YOURSELF.
>
> When you get tired of little or no attention or response, you will
> disappear just like every other asshole has disappeared before you,
> because you will be ignored just like every other asshole before you
> has been ignored.
>
> You guys came here with no friends and you will leave here with no
> friends. And that is a decision you guys made all on your own.

Dave LaCourse

August 2nd 07, 11:30 AM

On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 18:51:38 GMT, shiver >
wrote:

>TO THE GROUP.

<Verbosity snipped.>

Uh, this is not a moderated group. It does not belong to you or
anyone else. It is Usenet. If someone wants to post in yenc, that is
his right. You have the right to not open it.

I know Andrew has been posting for about ten years. So what? I
appreciate his and everyone's posts, but it makes no one king of the
newsgroup just because he posts thousands of pictures over the years.

I have been following this ng for *more* than ten years. No, I do not
post very much, but I do have a good news reader that can down-load a
picture regardless its format, and I don't have to pay for bandwidth.
If you want to stay with Outlook Depressed, miss all of Plane's
excellent photographs, and continue to pay for bandwidth that you can
not or do not use, then you are free to do so. It is Usenet, not
Shiver's Net.

ott, hand.

Dave
(who realizes he ain't the most popular guy around, but does
appreciate all who post, regardless the format)

Dave LaCourse

August 2nd 07, 11:50 AM

Andrew, I appreciate you views and your words. I do not have a dog in
this fight, which is probably why I have never entered it until the
whining got so bad that *it* was hurting the ng, not yenc. For the
life of me, however, I can not understand why folks would visit a
binaries newsgroup with a crappy news reader. It makes no sense. Do
they still have black and white TVs, fly only in propeller driven
aircraft, and drink warm beer because they have no refridgeration? Of
course not. The same can be said of their newsreaders. Subscribe to
a good newsreader with little or no restrictions on bandwidth, and
enjoy Plane's and other's postings. Or not.

To take the attitude that this is "my" newsgroup, and you will do as
"I" say, is wrong. It is no one's newsgroup.

<off my soap box>

Dave

Dave LaCourse

August 2nd 07, 12:08 PM

On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 19:19:09 GMT, (DS) wrote:

>I have no problem with yEnc. I have a problem with those that think I should.
>,

LOL. Wish I had said that.

Just Plane Noise[_2_]

August 2nd 07, 01:50 PM

On Thu, 02 Aug 2007 06:50:56 -0400, Dave LaCourse
> wrote:

>Andrew, I appreciate you views and your words. I do not have a dog in
>this fight, which is probably why I have never entered it until the
>whining got so bad that *it* was hurting the ng, not yenc. For the
>life of me, however, I can not understand why folks would visit a
>binaries newsgroup with a crappy news reader. It makes no sense. Do
>they still have black and white TVs, fly only in propeller driven
>aircraft, and drink warm beer because they have no refridgeration? Of
>course not. The same can be said of their newsreaders. Subscribe to
>a good newsreader with little or no restrictions on bandwidth, and
>enjoy Plane's and other's postings. Or not.
>
>To take the attitude that this is "my" newsgroup, and you will do as
>"I" say, is wrong. It is no one's newsgroup.
>
><off my soap box>
>
>Dave
>
>

Dave, you know I agree with you, but I have to quibble about props. My
wife calls any propeller-driven plane a "Buddy Holly plane", and since
we usually travel out of Appleton, we've been on a few. I have to
patiently explain to her that some of the prop-driven craft are
considerably newer and more technologically sophisticated than some of
the hand-me-down jets we've been on. But that leads to a story:

We were scheduled to fly out of Oshkosh on Northwest's feeder, when
(as often happened) Northwest simply cancelled the flight and trucked
us up to Appleton. Our connection to the Pacific Northwest also
changed. Upon boarding the plane, I asked the young, very blond
flight attendant about flight times since we would now be going
through DTW instead of MSP. She found a flight schedule, and I
quickly realized she did not grasp the concept of time zones at all.
Then she pulled back the cockpit curtain (this was obviously pre-9/11)
to talk to the pilot. What do you know? It looked like Buffy's
18-year-old boyfriend Biff would be flying our plane today! I pointed
to them, pointed to the propeller, and said to my wife "we're gonna
die!"

Just Plane Noise[_2_]

August 2nd 07, 02:16 PM

On Thu, 2 Aug 2007 02:53:18 -0400, "Andrew-S"
<I-Still-Hate-Spammers@Sorry-I had-to-leave-for-bit.com> wrote:

>
>Here is a challenge to everyone who responds to this long winded reply of
>mine.
>Post an image with your reply and let's see what the group produces.
>

Wile I don't agree with every bit of what you said, I certainly
appreciate the tone. As a peace offering to any willing to accept it,
I'm attaching one of my favorite aviation pics. It isn't technically
perfect (it is an enlargement of a fraction of a film image made with
a normal lens), but it shows pre-Rammstein Frecce Tricolori making
smoke against some of the most dramatic clouds I've ever had in a
picture. I've UU encoded it, not because I'm backing off yEnc (I'm
not), but because this is an olive branch.

I'll also have a different kind of gift (a little later today, I hope)
for those who choose to accept it.

Just Plane Noise[_2_]

August 2nd 07, 02:17 PM

Dave W

August 2nd 07, 02:38 PM

In article >,
Just Plane Noise > wrote:

> >
> >Having said that someone just posted a batch of images in yEnc without the
> >required yEnc in the subject line. Now then yEnc supporters here is your
> >chance to enforce your own rules... I fully expect to see all the pro yEnc
> >names that have engaged the anti-yEnc side when the flaming begins.
> >Preferable without all the nasty comments regarding those of us who dislike
> >yEnc...
> >
> >Now go get him!!!
> >
> >Andrew
> >
>
> The only "just posted" batch I see is mine, and all are marked "yEnc."
> Did I miss a batch?

Probably you missed it. Some guy was trying to sell some old photos on
ebay. He used yEnc coding without labeling them as such. He has been
taken to task by a number of folks, and rightly so.

BTW, JPN, thanks for all the great images. Sorry Oshkosh is over but I
look forward to your contributions next summer.

Best regards,
Dave W.

Indrek Aavisto

August 2nd 07, 03:26 PM

That's a nice image. very dramatic lighting.

Cheers,

Indrek Aavisto

Rusty Knuckle

August 2nd 07, 05:49 PM

snip: Just Plane Noise > wrote:
>>(>Having said that someone just posted a batch of images in yEnc without the

I need to know!

I downloaded some stuff that could be yenc. How can I tell if it was?

RK

Just Plane Noise[_2_]

August 2nd 07, 06:26 PM

On Thu, 02 Aug 2007 16:49:36 GMT, (Rusty
Knuckle) wrote:

> snip: Just Plane Noise > wrote:
>>>(>Having said that someone just posted a batch of images in yEnc without the
>
>
>
> I need to know!
>
>I downloaded some stuff that could be yenc. How can I tell if it was?
>
> RK
>
>Believe it or not, I don't know even though I post that way. If you know you DON'T have yEnc decoding, and you try to open one that is yEnc encoded, you won't be successful.
But if you DO have it, you'll see the images without being aware
oftheir encoding. It is what some of us have said all along--the
handling of yEnc images is absolutely transparent--I must have opened
thousands of them before even knowing what yEnc was or meant.

J.F.

August 2nd 07, 09:02 PM

troy24

August 3rd 07, 12:02 AM

On Thu, 02 Aug 2007 20:02:06 GMT, "J.F." >
wrote:

Love the Red Bull Mig

Dave LaCourse

August 3rd 07, 03:24 AM

On Thu, 02 Aug 2007 07:50:14 -0500, Just Plane Noise
> wrote:

>Dave, you know I agree with you, but I have to quibble about props. My
>wife calls any propeller-driven plane a "Buddy Holly plane", and since
>we usually travel out of Appleton, we've been on a few. I have to
>patiently explain to her that some of the prop-driven craft are
>considerably newer and more technologically sophisticated than some of
>the hand-me-down jets we've been on. But that leads to a story:
>
>We were scheduled to fly out of Oshkosh on Northwest's feeder, when
>(as often happened) Northwest simply cancelled the flight and trucked
>us up to Appleton. Our connection to the Pacific Northwest also
>changed. Upon boarding the plane, I asked the young, very blond
>flight attendant about flight times since we would now be going
>through DTW instead of MSP. She found a flight schedule, and I
>quickly realized she did not grasp the concept of time zones at all.
>Then she pulled back the cockpit curtain (this was obviously pre-9/11)
>to talk to the pilot. What do you know? It looked like Buffy's
>18-year-old boyfriend Biff would be flying our plane today! I pointed
>to them, pointed to the propeller, and said to my wife "we're gonna
>die!"

Too funny.

I've flown on many prop aircraft and lots of jets too, having spent 20
years in the Navy. However, I have never crashed in a jet; I've
crashed *twice* in prop aircraft - a C47 at Wright Patterson, and a
C121 in Japan.

My worse flight, however, was from Anchorage, AK to Petropovlosk,
Kamchatka, Russia in a TU-214. The runway at Anchorage is smooth,
until you fly in a TU-214 and you find out it feels like a dirt road
full of pot holes. Funny but the Delta 757 I flew in on wasn't bumpy.

Dave

Andrew-S

August 3rd 07, 03:37 AM

Excellent shot!!! Good contrast with the red against the cool tones in the
background...
When and where was this taken? I need to talk the police into letting me
fly some air to airs with civilian aircraft...

Andrew

"J.F." > wrote in message
. net...
>
>
>

Elmo von Thud

August 3rd 07, 11:37 AM

On Wed, 1 Aug 2007 13:58:18 -0400, "Andrew-S"
<I-Still-Hate-Spammers@Sorry-I had-to-leave-for-bit.com> wrote:

[sneep]

>In my opinion given how angry people get about yEnc, it should for moment be
>considered a taboo subject for a few weeks in the NG. As in no discussion
>of why it is good or bad. No remarks about the whining (and please don't
>try to argue that the pro yEnc crowd doesn't whine).

If we all agreed about everything, there would be no need for
democracy.

Attempting to impose your will on others is a form of dictatorship.

The Net is the greatest form/forum of democracy that we have on this
planet.

You are perfectly free to disagree with what I wrote above... it is
your right to do so.

[sneep]

Elmo von Thud

G.Kuhn

August 7th 07, 09:49 PM

My second post on this subject.....
Flame suit on :-)
WHAT is so flippen difficult in reading/opening yenc files?
Yes, I don't particularly like them, but it is SO easy to download and save
them in OE, and then decoding with 3rd party software.
And this from about six years back already, when I started net surfing.
Heck, anything that saves bandwidth in this retard country of mine, is a
bonus.
Maybe, just maybe, slow down on the ranting and raving, and discreetly ask
for help, draws less attention to one's shortcomings, I learnt that the
embarrassing way :-)

Buffy

Don Pyeatt

August 7th 07, 11:51 PM

"G.Kuhn" > wrote in message
...
> My second post on this subject.....
> Flame suit on :-)
> WHAT is so flippen difficult in reading/opening yenc files?
> Yes, I don't particularly like them, but it is SO easy to download and
> save them in OE, and then decoding with 3rd party software.
> And this from about six years back already, when I started net surfing.
> Heck, anything that saves bandwidth in this retard country of mine, is a
> bonus.
> Maybe, just maybe, slow down on the ranting and raving, and discreetly ask
> for help, draws less attention to one's shortcomings, I learnt that the
> embarrassing way :-)
>
> Buffy
>

Hi, Buffy !

Perhaps I can explain the problem to you since you don't seem to be of the
same brash ilk as the bombastic group of kids who charged into this group
and exiled our most prolific and congenial long-term posters.

There is nothing wrong with yEnc. Mr. Noise explained it very well - if a
person is a user of many newsgroups and downloads media files, e-books and
other large files then something like yEnc is nearly mandatory. On the
other hand, this is a still picture group where the file sizes rarely exceed
300KB. A file that size will download with yEnc in about 10 seconds on a
DSL connection, around 12 seconds without yEnc. Two seconds may be an
eternity for an impetuous youngster but it is totally insignificant in this
newsgroup. Step up to cable service and differences in D/L time become
almost immeasurable.

With that said, the real reason(s) for the regular members here wanting to
ban yEnc is that some are TOO OLD to understand how to install ANY kind of
software on their computers. Some are (or were, before they bailed) barely
able to use email and read this newsgroup. So, should we just tell them to
fuddle off or upgrade? I doubt if the invaders would tell their own
grandparents to F-off but for some reason they don't hesitate to tell those
here to do the same.

This is a global group of people who share the same love for aviation
photos. The older members have provided a wealth of historical information
regarding vintage aircraft, their experiences in various wars, and have been
most generous by providing priceless information of a historical nature.
Some of these same people are embarrassed to reveal a lack of skill using a
computer and will simply leave to avoid the insolence of some snot-nosed kid
who tells them to get out of the dark ages and upgrade to *their*
standards.

This is why a large amount of time was invested here to hammer out a usage
guideline that would be agreeable to all regardless of their computer
skills.

Is this too difficult to understand?

gdp

Boomerang

August 8th 07, 12:18 AM

Don...as a geezer fully capable in yEnc and a dozen other equally
unpronounceable software applications, I think this message of yours is an
absolute masterpiece of compassion, consideration and common sense. Nicely
done!!

Dave LaCourse

August 8th 07, 01:35 AM

On Tue, 7 Aug 2007 19:18:33 -0400, "Boomerang"
> wrote:

>Don...as a geezer fully capable in yEnc and a dozen other equally
>unpronounceable software applications, I think this message of yours is an
>absolute masterpiece of compassion, consideration and common sense. Nicely
>done!!
>

Mmmm. Well, I am a 70 yo geezer who subscribes to a very good news
reader and I can't tell the difference between yenc and jpeg. I don't
even look at the format. My only complaint is the incessant whining
about yenc. No one is making anyone switch to yenc. If you can not
open it, so be it. Continue to open those pics you can see. As far
as wasted bandwidth, well, threads like this and all the previous
****ing contests don't really help, do they?

Dave

Don Pyeatt

August 8th 07, 04:35 AM

"Dave LaCourse" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 7 Aug 2007 19:18:33 -0400, "Boomerang"
> > wrote:
>
>>Don...as a geezer fully capable in yEnc and a dozen other equally
>>unpronounceable software applications, I think this message of yours is an
>>absolute masterpiece of compassion, consideration and common sense.
>>Nicely
>>done!!
>>
>
> Mmmm. Well, I am a 70 yo geezer who subscribes to a very good news
> reader and I can't tell the difference between yenc and jpeg. I don't
> even look at the format. My only complaint is the incessant whining
> about yenc. No one is making anyone switch to yenc. If you can not
> open it, so be it. Continue to open those pics you can see. As far
> as wasted bandwidth, well, threads like this and all the previous
> ****ing contests don't really help, do they?
>
> Dave
>

Dave,

I really regret that you don't understand what I was saying. Surely at your
age (not too far from mine BTW), you have peers who struggle with computers.
Are you advocating that we just leave them behind like the others are
insisting we do?

At our ages, you and I are an exception - not a norm.

gdp

Just Plane Noise[_2_]

August 8th 07, 04:45 AM

On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 20:35:51 -0400, Dave LaCourse
> wrote:

>On Tue, 7 Aug 2007 19:18:33 -0400, "Boomerang"
> wrote:
>
>>Don...as a geezer fully capable in yEnc and a dozen other equally
>>unpronounceable software applications, I think this message of yours is an
>>absolute masterpiece of compassion, consideration and common sense. Nicely
>>done!!
>>
>
>Mmmm. Well, I am a 70 yo geezer who subscribes to a very good news
>reader and I can't tell the difference between yenc and jpeg. I don't
>even look at the format. My only complaint is the incessant whining
>about yenc. No one is making anyone switch to yenc. If you can not
>open it, so be it. Continue to open those pics you can see. As far
>as wasted bandwidth, well, threads like this and all the previous
>****ing contests don't really help, do they?
>
>Dave
>
>

And I hit 60 in a few days. I also challenge the notion that age has
much to do with it, A lot of kids today may use technology that is
unfamiliar to us, uh, advanced middle-aged folk, but their
understanding of the workings of that technology is often limited to
not much more than knowing where the power switch is.

Just Plane Noise[_2_]

August 8th 07, 05:06 AM

On Tue, 7 Aug 2007 22:35:55 -0500, "Don Pyeatt" >
wrote:

>> Mmmm. Well, I am a 70 yo geezer who subscribes to a very good news
>> reader and I can't tell the difference between yenc and jpeg. I don't
>> even look at the format. My only complaint is the incessant whining
>> about yenc. No one is making anyone switch to yenc. If you can not
>> open it, so be it. Continue to open those pics you can see. As far
>> as wasted bandwidth, well, threads like this and all the previous
>> ****ing contests don't really help, do they?
>>
>> Dave
>>
>
>Dave,
>
>I really regret that you don't understand what I was saying. Surely at your
>age (not too far from mine BTW), you have peers who struggle with computers.
>Are you advocating that we just leave them behind like the others are
>insisting we do?
>
>At our ages, you and I are an exception - not a norm.
>

I see Don is repeating that same nonsense implying force. I never
insisted on anything. Yes, you need yEnc decoding to see my pictures,
but you also need a newsreader, and a computer. So even if I didn't
use yEnc, I'd be leaving behind those who lacked that hardware and
software. Perhaps I should just print my pictures and snailmail them
out to all! Otherwise I'm "forcing" them to either buy a computer or
be "left behind."

The notion of "struggle" is also phony. Downloading Agent and
clicking "install" is hardly a struggle. "Struggle" is what I did
this morning after I installed a different firewall and found that I
could not get Windows to load--that took some computer experience,
time, and liberal use of profanity directed at Zone Alarm, Webroot,
and Microsoft. There's no struggle in getting yEnc decoding at
all--at least not the way I did it. As I've pointed out before, I
knew very little about yEnc until the brouhaha on this group, and you
don't need to understand it one bit to use it--in fact, it is no more
complicated than the UU encoding one person erroneously referred to as
"basic."

About the only thing that can be said for sticking with UU encoding
only is that it was the way things had always been done. I am totally
impatient with that attitude, and I expect that I always will be no
matter how old I live to be. I like new things, I like progress.

And the idea that such attitudes are the exception in older folks is
just flat-out ageism. Don's claim would provoke laughter at our local
senior center (which is fully computer-equipped).

I'm giving Don the "straw man creation" prize.

Glenn[_2_]

August 8th 07, 10:08 AM

I concur :-)

"Boomerang" > wrote in message
...
> Don...as a geezer fully capable in yEnc and a dozen other equally
> unpronounceable software applications, I think this message of yours is an
> absolute masterpiece of compassion, consideration and common sense.
> Nicely done!!
>

Bert-Jan[_5_]

August 8th 07, 10:45 AM

"Don Pyeatt" > wrote in
:

>
> "G.Kuhn" > wrote in message
> ...
>> My second post on this subject.....
>> Flame suit on :-)
>> WHAT is so flippen difficult in reading/opening yenc files?
>> Yes, I don't particularly like them, but it is SO easy to download
>> and save them in OE, and then decoding with 3rd party software.
>> And this from about six years back already, when I started net
>> surfing. Heck, anything that saves bandwidth in this retard country
>> of mine, is a bonus.
>> Maybe, just maybe, slow down on the ranting and raving, and
>> discreetly ask for help, draws less attention to one's shortcomings,
>> I learnt that the embarrassing way :-)
>>
>> Buffy
>>
>
> Hi, Buffy !
>
> Perhaps I can explain the problem to you since you don't seem to be of
> the same brash ilk as the bombastic group of kids who charged into
> this group and exiled our most prolific and congenial long-term
> posters.
>
> There is nothing wrong with yEnc. Mr. Noise explained it very well -
> if a person is a user of many newsgroups and downloads media files,
> e-books and other large files then something like yEnc is nearly
> mandatory. On the other hand, this is a still picture group where the
> file sizes rarely exceed 300KB. A file that size will download with
> yEnc in about 10 seconds on a DSL connection, around 12 seconds
> without yEnc. Two seconds may be an eternity for an impetuous
> youngster but it is totally insignificant in this newsgroup. Step up
> to cable service and differences in D/L time become almost
> immeasurable.
>
> With that said, the real reason(s) for the regular members here
> wanting to ban yEnc is that some are TOO OLD to understand how to
> install ANY kind of software on their computers. Some are (or were,
> before they bailed) barely able to use email and read this newsgroup.
> So, should we just tell them to fuddle off or upgrade? I doubt if the
> invaders would tell their own grandparents to F-off but for some
> reason they don't hesitate to tell those here to do the same.
>
> This is a global group of people who share the same love for aviation
> photos. The older members have provided a wealth of historical
> information regarding vintage aircraft, their experiences in various
> wars, and have been most generous by providing priceless information
> of a historical nature. Some of these same people are embarrassed to
> reveal a lack of skill using a computer and will simply leave to avoid
> the insolence of some snot-nosed kid who tells them to get out of the
> dark ages and upgrade to *their* standards.
>
> This is why a large amount of time was invested here to hammer out a
> usage guideline that would be agreeable to all regardless of their
> computer skills.
>
> Is this too difficult to understand?
>
> gdp
>
>
>
>
>
>

In the time you have written the above epistel you could have
downloaded, installed and be up and running Xnews TWICE. With fewer
keyhits and fewer mouse clicks.
This is NOT difficult and if you are not sure how to there are people
around here that are very willing to walk you through it.

A friend of mine lives on a farm here in the netherlands and is, to his
own disgust, still dependant on dial-up connection. On top of that he
has up- and down load limits. So for these people (and there are more of
them than you can imagine) please keep your posts as small as you can.

I know I will.

--
Cheers,

Bert-Jan

Don Pyeatt

August 8th 07, 01:56 PM

"Bert-Jan" > wrote in message
...
> "Don Pyeatt" > wrote in
> :
>
>>
>> "G.Kuhn" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> My second post on this subject.....
>>> Flame suit on :-)
>>> WHAT is so flippen difficult in reading/opening yenc files?
>>> Yes, I don't particularly like them, but it is SO easy to download
>>> and save them in OE, and then decoding with 3rd party software.
>>> And this from about six years back already, when I started net
>>> surfing. Heck, anything that saves bandwidth in this retard country
>>> of mine, is a bonus.
>>> Maybe, just maybe, slow down on the ranting and raving, and
>>> discreetly ask for help, draws less attention to one's shortcomings,
>>> I learnt that the embarrassing way :-)
>>>
>>> Buffy
>>>
>>
>> Hi, Buffy !
>>
>> Perhaps I can explain the problem to you since you don't seem to be of
>> the same brash ilk as the bombastic group of kids who charged into
>> this group and exiled our most prolific and congenial long-term
>> posters.
>>
>> There is nothing wrong with yEnc. Mr. Noise explained it very well -
>> if a person is a user of many newsgroups and downloads media files,
>> e-books and other large files then something like yEnc is nearly
>> mandatory. On the other hand, this is a still picture group where the
>> file sizes rarely exceed 300KB. A file that size will download with
>> yEnc in about 10 seconds on a DSL connection, around 12 seconds
>> without yEnc. Two seconds may be an eternity for an impetuous
>> youngster but it is totally insignificant in this newsgroup. Step up
>> to cable service and differences in D/L time become almost
>> immeasurable.
>>
>> With that said, the real reason(s) for the regular members here
>> wanting to ban yEnc is that some are TOO OLD to understand how to
>> install ANY kind of software on their computers. Some are (or were,
>> before they bailed) barely able to use email and read this newsgroup.
>> So, should we just tell them to fuddle off or upgrade? I doubt if the
>> invaders would tell their own grandparents to F-off but for some
>> reason they don't hesitate to tell those here to do the same.
>>
>> This is a global group of people who share the same love for aviation
>> photos. The older members have provided a wealth of historical
>> information regarding vintage aircraft, their experiences in various
>> wars, and have been most generous by providing priceless information
>> of a historical nature. Some of these same people are embarrassed to
>> reveal a lack of skill using a computer and will simply leave to avoid
>> the insolence of some snot-nosed kid who tells them to get out of the
>> dark ages and upgrade to *their* standards.
>>
>> This is why a large amount of time was invested here to hammer out a
>> usage guideline that would be agreeable to all regardless of their
>> computer skills.
>>
>> Is this too difficult to understand?
>>
>> gdp
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> In the time you have written the above epistel you could have
> downloaded, installed and be up and running Xnews TWICE. With fewer
> keyhits and fewer mouse clicks.
> This is NOT difficult and if you are not sure how to there are people
> around here that are very willing to walk you through it.
>
> A friend of mine lives on a farm here in the netherlands and is, to his
> own disgust, still dependant on dial-up connection. On top of that he
> has up- and down load limits. So for these people (and there are more of
> them than you can imagine) please keep your posts as small as you can.
>
> I know I will.
>
> --
> Cheers,
>
> Bert-Jan

Good morning Bert-Jan,

Concerns of those much like your dial-up constrained friend have always been
accommodated by the regulars in this newsgroup. Every request for a re-post
of a smaller version (or a larger version for that matter) of an original
posting has been honored. It's only a matter of mutual respect.

Thank you for your observations and comments.

Don

Don Pyeatt

August 8th 07, 02:06 PM

"Just Plane Noise" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 20:35:51 -0400, Dave LaCourse
> > wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 7 Aug 2007 19:18:33 -0400, "Boomerang"
> wrote:
>>
>>>Don...as a geezer fully capable in yEnc and a dozen other equally
>>>unpronounceable software applications, I think this message of yours is
>>>an
>>>absolute masterpiece of compassion, consideration and common sense.
>>>Nicely
>>>done!!
>>>
>>
>>Mmmm. Well, I am a 70 yo geezer who subscribes to a very good news
>>reader and I can't tell the difference between yenc and jpeg. I don't
>>even look at the format. My only complaint is the incessant whining
>>about yenc. No one is making anyone switch to yenc. If you can not
>>open it, so be it. Continue to open those pics you can see. As far
>>as wasted bandwidth, well, threads like this and all the previous
>>****ing contests don't really help, do they?
>>
>>Dave
>>
>>
>
> And I hit 60 in a few days. I also challenge the notion that age has
> much to do with it, A lot of kids today may use technology that is
> unfamiliar to us, uh, advanced middle-aged folk, but their
> understanding of the workings of that technology is often limited to
> not much more than knowing where the power switch is.

Sorry, Noise, mythology will not support your position.

gdp

Don Pyeatt

August 8th 07, 03:08 PM

"Just Plane Noise" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 7 Aug 2007 22:35:55 -0500, "Don Pyeatt" >
> wrote:
>
>

<snip>

>>
>
> I see Don is repeating that same nonsense implying force.

And I see that anything that anyone other than yourself says is always
nonsense.

> I never
> insisted on anything.

Smug re-invented and expanded ! For starters, you insisted that the
established guidelines of this group are null and void. Then you insisted
that you will post any way you choose and those who can't read your posts
can upgrade to your standards or leave.

> Yes, you need yEnc decoding to see my pictures,

Because you insist.

> but you also need a newsreader, and a computer. So even if I didn't
> use yEnc, I'd be leaving behind those who lacked that hardware and
> software.

In addition to those who don't want to use yEnc.

> Perhaps I should just print my pictures and snailmail them
> out to all! Otherwise I'm "forcing" them to either buy a computer or
> be "left behind."

This is a great idea! Should we send you our mailing addresses?

>
> The notion of "struggle" is also phony.

As is any other opinion that is not in lockstep with yours.

> Downloading Agent and
> clicking "install" is hardly a struggle.

For most, this is true.

> "Struggle" is what I did
> this morning after I installed a different firewall and found that I
> could not get Windows to load--that took some computer experience,
> time, and liberal use of profanity directed at Zone Alarm, Webroot,
> and Microsoft.

Then perhaps you can appreciate those who struggle with lesser issues?

> There's no struggle in getting yEnc decoding at
> all--at least not the way I did it.

Congratulations!

> As I've pointed out before, I
> knew very little about yEnc until the brouhaha on this group,

Be honest - you brought the brouhaha to the group!

> and you
> don't need to understand it one bit to use it

And you don't need a college degree to turn it off.

--in fact, it is no more
> complicated than the UU encoding one person erroneously referred to as
> "basic."

Of course that person's thoughts are erroneous.

>
> About the only thing that can be said for sticking with UU encoding
> only is that it was the way things had always been done. I am totally
> impatient with that attitude, and I expect that I always will be no
> matter how old I live to be. I like new things, I like progress.

Can you really believe that this entire group should adapt to your
impatience and attitudes?

>
> And the idea that such attitudes are the exception in older folks is
> just flat-out ageism. Don's claim would provoke laughter at our local
> senior center (which is fully computer-equipped).

Gee, the senior centers here are fully equipped with giant checkers and
dominoes. Where are these centers? Are they LAN wired in each room or are
they wi-fi equipped?

>
> I'm giving Don the "straw man creation" prize.

Thanks but I don't believe you are sanctioned to award prizes. I would
offer you one but it appears you are your own best prize.

Noise, why don't you just join this group on its own terms and try to enjoy
the camaraderie? Who knows, you may make some valuable friends, including
myself. I just refuse to stand and salute when you enter the room.

gdp

Just Plane Noise[_2_]

August 8th 07, 03:53 PM

On Wed, 8 Aug 2007 07:56:34 -0500, "Don Pyeatt" >
wrote:

>
>Good morning Bert-Jan,
>
>Concerns of those much like your dial-up constrained friend have always been
>accommodated by the regulars in this newsgroup. Every request for a re-post
>of a smaller version (or a larger version for that matter) of an original
>posting has been honored. It's only a matter of mutual respect.
>
>Thank you for your observations and comments.
>
>Don
>
>
Oh, so they should be "forced" to settle for a smaller version just
because someone can't use more efficient encoding (and that's what
yEnc is)? (I think that's how you'd phrase it if you were on the yEnc
side, Don--I'm just trying to do an imitation.)

Dave LaCourse

August 8th 07, 04:20 PM

On Tue, 7 Aug 2007 22:35:55 -0500, "Don Pyeatt" >
wrote:

>I really regret that you don't understand what I was saying. Surely at your
>age (not too far from mine BTW), you have peers who struggle with computers.
>Are you advocating that we just leave them behind like the others are
>insisting we do?

Just *how* are we leaving *anyone* behind? They can open it or not.
No one is forcing anyone to change their computer, software, or news
reader. If they feel that they are losing out on lots of pictures,
great picture I might add, then they can get a decent news reader
instead of Outlook Depressed, or down-load software that will allow
them to read yenc. It is a no-brainer.

I once had a miserable news reader. I couldn't see anything except
jpg. Then, thankfully, that news reader stopped access to news groups
and I was forced to find another. I chose Giganews and was amazed at
what I was missing.

Dave

Dave LaCourse

August 8th 07, 04:26 PM

On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 09:08:14 GMT, "Glenn" >
wrote:

>I concur :-)
>
>
>"Boomerang" > wrote in message
...
>> Don...as a geezer fully capable in yEnc and a dozen other equally
>> unpronounceable software applications, I think this message of yours is an
>> absolute masterpiece of compassion, consideration and common sense.
>> Nicely done!!
>>

A top poster concurring. That's funny.

Just Plane Noise[_2_]

August 8th 07, 04:39 PM

On Wed, 8 Aug 2007 09:08:26 -0500, "Don Pyeatt" >
wrote:

>
>"Just Plane Noise" > wrote in message
...
>> On Tue, 7 Aug 2007 22:35:55 -0500, "Don Pyeatt" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>
><snip>
>
>>>
>>
>> I see Don is repeating that same nonsense implying force.
>
>And I see that anything that anyone other than yourself says is always
>nonsense.
>

OK, I'll bite. Tell me how force was involved.

>> I never
>> insisted on anything.
>
>Smug re-invented and expanded ! For starters, you insisted that the
>established guidelines of this group are null and void. Then you insisted
>that you will post any way you choose and those who can't read your posts
>can upgrade to your standards or leave.
>

Well, that's two big lies in one paragraph. I never said the
guidelines were null and void. I would note, however, that guidelines
aren't rules, and that in any case thet were agreed to a couple of
years ago, which is quite long ago for a Usenet group The more
egregious lie is that I told people they could upgrade or leave. I
challenge you to produce the post in which I said anything even
remotely like "leave." I did say it was their choice to view my
pictures or not. I have never in any way, shape, or form told anyone
to leave. You ought to apologize.

>> Yes, you need yEnc decoding to see my pictures,
>
>Because you insist.
>
>> but you also need a newsreader, and a computer. So even if I didn't
>> use yEnc, I'd be leaving behind those who lacked that hardware and
>> software.
>
>In addition to those who don't want to use yEnc.

I see you missed the point altogether.

>
>> Perhaps I should just print my pictures and snailmail them
>> out to all! Otherwise I'm "forcing" them to either buy a computer or
>> be "left behind."
>
>This is a great idea! Should we send you our mailing addresses?
>

Yes, along with an SSAE and a nominal handling fee of $5 per 8X10.

>>
>> The notion of "struggle" is also phony.
>
>As is any other opinion that is not in lockstep with yours.
>

Boiy, people can't disagree with you, can they! I guess I ought to
bow to the anti-yEnc police!

>> Downloading Agent and
>> clicking "install" is hardly a struggle.
>
>For most, this is true.
>
>> "Struggle" is what I did
>> this morning after I installed a different firewall and found that I
>> could not get Windows to load--that took some computer experience,
>> time, and liberal use of profanity directed at Zone Alarm, Webroot,
>> and Microsoft.
>
>Then perhaps you can appreciate those who struggle with lesser issues?

Sure, but if you WANT something bad enough, the struggle is worth it.
Your attitude is fundamentally opposed to the American achievement
orientation. As I've pointed out before, though, it certainly is
characteristic of what we have become--a society of people who believe
they are entitled to things without effort.

>
>> There's no struggle in getting yEnc decoding at
>> all--at least not the way I did it.
>
>Congratulations!
>
>> As I've pointed out before, I
>> knew very little about yEnc until the brouhaha on this group,
>
>Be honest - you brought the brouhaha to the group!
>

I most certainly did not. As I've noted, I was totally unaware of the
yEnc controversy in the group since prior to this episode, I only
downloaded images from this group (I didn't even read accompanying
text). I posted some images quite innocently, but instead of some
comment like "hey, nice images" I got Maple 1's snide comment. Gosh,
what a nice welcome! Well, I may have I shot back when some took
shots at me, but I hardly started the fight. However, once people
decided they wanted to fight this whole issue all over again
apparently, I didn't back away.

I still think that if anti-yEnc'ers had had the decency to inform me
of theirr preference in a nice way, I would have honored it. But
people who behave like assholes only deserve a "screw you!"

>> and you
>> don't need to understand it one bit to use it
>
>And you don't need a college degree to turn it off.

Sorry, but PowerPost can only post in yEnc. Or are you suggesting I
download and install some other batch posting program--something you'd
never suggest to your anti-yEnc friends?

>
>--in fact, it is no more
>> complicated than the UU encoding one person erroneously referred to as
>> "basic."
>
>Of course that person's thoughts are erroneous.
>

Yep. UU is older, not more basic. Try reading a technical
description of how both work--one is not more complicated than the
other.

>>
>> About the only thing that can be said for sticking with UU encoding
>> only is that it was the way things had always been done. I am totally
>> impatient with that attitude, and I expect that I always will be no
>> matter how old I live to be. I like new things, I like progress.
>
>Can you really believe that this entire group should adapt to your
>impatience and attitudes?

Absolutely not! Stop putting words in my mouth! You can all do what
you damn well please, and so will I. I am posting aviation pictures
in alt.binaries.pictures.aviation, the only such newsgroup devoted to
such pictures. Nobody has to change their behavior or attitude one
bit. As I've said several times, you can download my pictures and
view them or not.

The notion of "choice" seems oddly foreign to some people in this
group. They have somehow gotten it in their heads that if things
aren't handed to them on a platter, they didn't have a choice.

>
>>
>> And the idea that such attitudes are the exception in older folks is
>> just flat-out ageism. Don's claim would provoke laughter at our local
>> senior center (which is fully computer-equipped).
>
>Gee, the senior centers here are fully equipped with giant checkers and
>dominoes. Where are these centers? Are they LAN wired in each room or are
>they wi-fi equipped?
>
>>
Don't know about the last (which is irrelevant to the issue anyway),
but you can drop in at the Oshkosh Senior Center and check it out. I
would have a hard time believing that a cow town like Oshkosh somehow
had a more technologically advanced senior center than other places.

>> I'm giving Don the "straw man creation" prize.
>
>Thanks but I don't believe you are sanctioned to award prizes.

Sure I am, so long as I made it up and paid for it.

I would
>offer you one but it appears you are your own best prize.
>
>Noise, why don't you just join this group on its own terms and try to enjoy
>the camaraderie? Who knows, you may make some valuable friends, including
>myself. I just refuse to stand and salute when you enter the room.

First, there is no "group"--that's an Internet illusion. At best it
is an assemblage of people with exactly one shared interest, who don't
even interact on a face-to-face basis. That hardly meets the
sociological criteria for a group. Second, there's no "its own
terms"-- if you go over all of the posts on this issue in the past two
weeks, you'll find the anti-yEnc posters don't even outnumber those
who are fine with yEnc. Third, camaraderie is nice, but I'm here for
airplane pictures. If there wasn't camaraderie, I'd stay anyway; if
there weren't airplane pictures, I'd be gone. Finally, I'm stunned
that you would claim you would make a "valuable friend." Sorry, I
don't need anyone with that much of an inflated ego that they actually
tell others they'd be valuable.

I wonder if you even see the contradiction in your last paragraph. You
invite me to join a "group" on "its own terms", but turn right around
and suggest I'm demanding you "stand and salute." Are you blind, Don?
You just asked ME to stand and salute a group whose composition is
uncertain and whose attitudes are at best mixed, yet you imply that
I;m asking others to stand and salute. Again, I most certainly am
not. I'm posting pictures--pictures which have gotten UNANIMOUS
positive comment from those whove seen them. I am not praising my own
pictures here. All I'm saying is that I'm posting aviation pictures,
people are finding them to be at least good enough to view, and I
don't think you can ask any more of me in an aviation pictures group.
I will not kiss your ass or anyone else's, and I dont submit to
"group" tyranny.

Dave LaCourse

August 8th 07, 05:06 PM

Shiver

August 8th 07, 07:15 PM

> Dave LaCourse > wrote:

> A top poster concurring. That's funny.

And a bottom poster too stupid to know how to trim a post is just as
funny.

You don't care to follow the posting guidelines regarding Yenc.

You don't care to follow the posting guidelines regarding trimming
posts.

What the **** why don't you start posting in HTML and make it three for
three.

Shiver

August 8th 07, 07:18 PM

> Bert-Jan > wrote:

> please keep your posts as small as you can.

Then why did you quote two different posters instead of trimming the
posts like I did.??????

> I know I will.

You have already proven that statement to be not true.

Shiver

August 8th 07, 07:26 PM

> Dave LaCourse > wrote:

> Just *how* are we leaving *anyone* behind?

Listen asswipe as I have explained in this very group before......

I CANNOT GET SOFTWARE THAT WILL DECODE YENC ON MY COMPUTER.

It is an older system with no way to upgrade to the point where I can
decode these mythical Yenc files.

Oh boo hoo hoo..... Yah I know poor boy, go out and buy a new computer,
yada yada yada.

No I am not going to buy a new computer just so I can see your pictures.

It was decide long ago that this group would be NON YENC.

Your the one causing the trouble in this group.

If you and your fellow asshole just plain noise as such fans of
aviation that you two misfits decided to join this group and start
posting pictures then why oh why will you not act as responsible adults
with some consideration to the rest of the group and turn YENC off when
posting to this group.

How many times do I have to tell you not everyone is in a position to
decode Yenc.

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Dave LaCourse

August 8th 07, 08:00 PM

On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 18:26:38 GMT, shiver >
wrote:

>> Dave LaCourse > wrote:
>
>> Just *how* are we leaving *anyone* behind?
>
>Listen asswipe as I have explained in this very group before.....

Ahh, you lost already. No need for name calling Shiver (or whatever
your real name is.
>I CANNOT GET SOFTWARE THAT WILL DECODE YENC ON MY COMPUTER.

You do not NEED software to decode it. You need something besides
Outlook Depressed. You need a good, modern newsreader.
>
>It is an older system with no way to upgrade to the point where I can
>decode these mythical Yenc files.

They aren't mythical. They're real. And if you can't decode them
then that is fine. Nobody is telling you that you must do anything.
You can remain in the dark and miss some very nice posting by Plane.
>
>Oh boo hoo hoo..... Yah I know poor boy, go out and buy a new computer,
>yada yada yada.

No need to. Get a good newsreader.
>
>No I am not going to buy a new computer just so I can see your pictures.

See above.

>
>It was decide long ago that this group would be NON YENC.

This "group" can not decide *anything*. This is a non-moderated news
group. Anyone, *ANYONE*, can post in *any* format the desire. You,
as a *user* of this newsgroup can choose to download a picture or
ignore it. This isn't brain surgery, Shiver. You don't like yenc,
fine. Pass it over like it doesn't exist.

>
>Your the one causing the trouble in this group.

Yeah. My middle name is trouble and my fodder can beat up your
fodder.
>
>If you and your fellow asshole just plain noise as such fans of
>aviation that you two misfits decided to join this group and start
>posting pictures then why oh why will you not act as responsible adults
>with some consideration to the rest of the group and turn YENC off when
>posting to this group.

Duh. The boy will just not learn! I don't have to, I can not, join
this group. It is FREE. It is on usenet for ALL to use, and you have
NO right to tell ANYONE what format they can and can not post in.
Yenc is here to stay, and I hope Plane is too, so you better get a
good newsreader because more yencers will follow and soon you'll be
left with very little to down-load. Or not. No one cares if you like
or dislike yenc. It doesn't matter what YOU feel. There are NO rules
against anyone using the format THEY want.

>
>How many times do I have to tell you not everyone is in a position to
>decode Yenc.

Bull kaka. EVERYONE can get yenc with a good newsreader. Your
problem is you haven't even tried, have you? Let me tell you
something, Mr. Shiver or Mr. Anonymous, you are missing some wonderful
art produced by Plane. His pictures are superb. It's your childish
foot stomping and SCREACHING that prevents you from even trying.

>
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My, my, my. You do have a childish streak in you, don't you? d;o)

My computer can down-load your SCHREACHING, but can yours down-load my
laughing at you? Is that what's bothering you, Bunky?

Dave LaCourse
(Who can't and won't hide behind some anonymous nym)

Dave LaCourse

August 8th 07, 08:08 PM

On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 18:15:59 GMT, shiver >
wrote:

>> Dave LaCourse > wrote:
>
>> A top poster concurring. That's funny.
>
>And a bottom poster too stupid to know how to trim a post is just as
>funny.

Oh, you mean like this:
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>
>You don't care to follow the posting guidelines regarding Yenc.

I have never posted in Yenc. If you can show me where I did, I'll
give ya a hundred bucks. Guidelines are not rules, Mr. Anonymous.
This is an unmoderated newsgroup and unless usenet rules are broken,
there is nothing you can do about it. Live with it. When you see
yenc, pass it by. Nobody will care. Of course, you will miss some
great art, but *I* surely don't care about that. No one does.
>
>You don't care to follow the posting guidelines regarding trimming
>posts.

See your rant above.

>What the **** why don't you start posting in HTML and make it three for
>three.

Why would I? Plane or anyone posting or supporting yenc is not trying
to anger you, Mr. Anonymous. YOU have no right to tell ANYONE what
they can and can not post.

Dave LaCourse

Dave LaCourse

August 8th 07, 08:13 PM

Don Pyeatt

August 8th 07, 08:31 PM

"Just Plane Noise" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 8 Aug 2007 09:08:26 -0500, "Don Pyeatt" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Just Plane Noise" > wrote in message
...
>>> On Tue, 7 Aug 2007 22:35:55 -0500, "Don Pyeatt" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>
>><snip>
>>
<snipitall>
>
> The more
> egregious lie is that I told people they could upgrade or leave. I
> challenge you to produce the post in which I said anything even
> remotely like "leave." I did say it was their choice to view my
> pictures or not. I have never in any way, shape, or form told anyone
> to leave. You ought to apologize.
>
><sniptherest>

OK, Noise, I took your challenge and searched your posts. You definitely
have not said anyone can leave the group.

Crow is not my favorite snack but I will have a plate full for you. My
sincere apology is extended to you for my error.

Adios

gdp

Dave LaCourse

August 8th 07, 08:33 PM

On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 18:18:35 GMT, shiver >
wrote:

>> Bert-Jan > wrote:
>
>> please keep your posts as small as you can.
>
>Then why did you quote two different posters instead of trimming the
>posts like I did.??????
>
>> I know I will.
>
>You have already proven that statement to be not true.

He Mr. A. How 'bout jumping on others in this group, like your friend
here:

<quote>"Bert-Jan" > wrote in message
...
> "Don Pyeatt" > wrote in
> :
>
>>
>> "G.Kuhn" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> My second post on this subject.....
>>> Flame suit on :-)
>>> WHAT is so flippen difficult in reading/opening yenc files?
>>> Yes, I don't particularly like them, but it is SO easy to download
>>> and save them in OE, and then decoding with 3rd party software.
>>> And this from about six years back already, when I started net
>>> surfing. Heck, anything that saves bandwidth in this retard country
>>> of mine, is a bonus.
>>> Maybe, just maybe, slow down on the ranting and raving, and
>>> discreetly ask for help, draws less attention to one's shortcomings,
>>> I learnt that the embarrassing way :-)
>>>
>>> Buffy
>>>
>>
>> Hi, Buffy !
>>
>> Perhaps I can explain the problem to you since you don't seem to be of
>> the same brash ilk as the bombastic group of kids who charged into
>> this group and exiled our most prolific and congenial long-term
>> posters.
>>
>> There is nothing wrong with yEnc. Mr. Noise explained it very well -
>> if a person is a user of many newsgroups and downloads media files,
>> e-books and other large files then something like yEnc is nearly
>> mandatory. On the other hand, this is a still picture group where the
>> file sizes rarely exceed 300KB. A file that size will download with
>> yEnc in about 10 seconds on a DSL connection, around 12 seconds
>> without yEnc. Two seconds may be an eternity for an impetuous
>> youngster but it is totally insignificant in this newsgroup. Step up
>> to cable service and differences in D/L time become almost
>> immeasurable.
>>
>> With that said, the real reason(s) for the regular members here
>> wanting to ban yEnc is that some are TOO OLD to understand how to
>> install ANY kind of software on their computers. Some are (or were,
>> before they bailed) barely able to use email and read this newsgroup.
>> So, should we just tell them to fuddle off or upgrade? I doubt if the
>> invaders would tell their own grandparents to F-off but for some
>> reason they don't hesitate to tell those here to do the same.
>>
>> This is a global group of people who share the same love for aviation
>> photos. The older members have provided a wealth of historical
>> information regarding vintage aircraft, their experiences in various
>> wars, and have been most generous by providing priceless information
>> of a historical nature. Some of these same people are embarrassed to
>> reveal a lack of skill using a computer and will simply leave to avoid
>> the insolence of some snot-nosed kid who tells them to get out of the
>> dark ages and upgrade to *their* standards.
>>
>> This is why a large amount of time was invested here to hammer out a
>> usage guideline that would be agreeable to all regardless of their
>> computer skills.
>>
>> Is this too difficult to understand?
>>
>> gdp
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> In the time you have written the above epistel you could have
> downloaded, installed and be up and running Xnews TWICE. With fewer
> keyhits and fewer mouse clicks.
> This is NOT difficult and if you are not sure how to there are people
> around here that are very willing to walk you through it.
>
> A friend of mine lives on a farm here in the netherlands and is, to his
> own disgust, still dependant on dial-up connection. On top of that he
> has up- and down load limits. So for these people (and there are more of
> them than you can imagine) please keep your posts as small as you can.
>
> I know I will.
>
> --
> Cheers,
>
> Bert-Jan

Good morning Bert-Jan,

Concerns of those much like your dial-up constrained friend have
always been
accommodated by the regulars in this newsgroup. Every request for a
re-post
of a smaller version (or a larger version for that matter) of an
original
posting has been honored. It's only a matter of mutual respect.

Thank you for your observations and comments.

Don <unquote>

Of course that ain't quite as bad as your repeated hissy fit. d;o)

hth

Dave

Dave LaCourse

August 8th 07, 08:52 PM

On Wed, 8 Aug 2007 14:31:35 -0500, "Don Pyeatt" >
wrote:

>OK, Noise, I took your challenge and searched your posts. You definitely
>have not said anyone can leave the group.
>
>Crow is not my favorite snack but I will have a plate full for you. My
>sincere apology is extended to you for my error.

Well and honorably said.

Just Plane Noise[_2_]

August 8th 07, 09:15 PM

On Wed, 8 Aug 2007 14:31:35 -0500, "Don Pyeatt" >
wrote:

>
>OK, Noise, I took your challenge and searched your posts. You definitely
>have not said anyone can leave the group.
>
>Crow is not my favorite snack but I will have a plate full for you. My
>sincere apology is extended to you for my error.
>

> Thank you. I much appreciate that you made the effort.

Bert-Jan[_5_]

August 8th 07, 09:20 PM

>> In the time you have written the above epistel you could have
>> downloaded, installed and be up and running Xnews TWICE. With fewer
>> keyhits and fewer mouse clicks.
>> This is NOT difficult and if you are not sure how to there are people
>> around here that are very willing to walk you through it.
>>
>> A friend of mine lives on a farm here in the netherlands and is, to
>> his own disgust, still dependant on dial-up connection. On top of
>> that he has up- and down load limits. So for these people (and there
>> are more of them than you can imagine) please keep your posts as
>> small as you can.
>>
>> I know I will.
>>
>> --
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Bert-Jan
>
> Good morning Bert-Jan,
>
> Concerns of those much like your dial-up constrained friend have
> always been accommodated by the regulars in this newsgroup. Every
> request for a re-post of a smaller version (or a larger version for
> that matter) of an original posting has been honored. It's only a
> matter of mutual respect.
>
> Thank you for your observations and comments.
>
> Don
>
>
>

Which would mean that other people with slower connections and/or
download limits have to be happy with downsized or inferior quality
products, when the technology is there for them.

I don't think so!

--
Cheers,

Bert-Jan

Just Plane Noise[_2_]

August 8th 07, 09:27 PM

On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 18:26:38 GMT, shiver >
wrote:

>> Dave LaCourse > wrote:
>
>> Just *how* are we leaving *anyone* behind?
>
>Listen asswipe as I have explained in this very group before......
>
>I CANNOT GET SOFTWARE THAT WILL DECODE YENC ON MY COMPUTER.
>
>It is an older system with no way to upgrade to the point where I can
>decode these mythical Yenc files.
>

Please decribe this system that is allegedly so old that it can't
decode yEnc even thought it can decode UU. The hardware requirements
are no different, so I suspect your shouted claim hasd no merit.

Bert-Jan[_5_]

August 8th 07, 09:36 PM

shiver > wrote in news:080820071217368611%
:

>> Bert-Jan > wrote:
>
>> please keep your posts as small as you can.
>
> Then why did you quote two different posters instead of trimming the
> posts like I did.??????
>
>> I know I will.
>
> You have already proven that statement to be not true.

I did not trim the posts because in my post I referred to that previous
post and it made sense to show how large a text body that post was.
So that other readers can see and I can make my point

I did not trim the first part because it was the reason the second part was
posted.

I will post as short as I can and want to.
A few written lines are neglectible compared to the very large differences
when posting pictures in yEnc or not.

--
Cheers,

Bert-Jan

Bert-Jan[_5_]

August 8th 07, 09:45 PM

shiver > wrote in news:080820071225397666%
:

>> Dave LaCourse > wrote:
>
>> Just *how* are we leaving *anyone* behind?
>
> Listen asswipe as I have explained in this very group before......
>
> I CANNOT GET SOFTWARE THAT WILL DECODE YENC ON MY COMPUTER.
>
Yes you can, you obviouly just don't want to or are not interested enough
to inform on how to be able to "decode" yEnc-ed files.

Go here:

http://www.download.com/3000-2164-10144167.html

It won't hurt. I promise.

--
Cheers,

Bert-Jan

Shiver

August 8th 07, 10:03 PM

> Just Plane Noise > wrote:

> Please decribe this system that is allegedly so old that it can't
> decode yEnc even thought it can decode UU. The hardware requirements
> are no different, so I suspect your shouted claim hasd no merit.

Alright.... I'll give you a serious reply.

I'm on a Macintosh....... that's a Macintosh AND NOT A PC.

All of the software you talk about does not work on a Macintosh.

Furthermore.... I'm operating with OS 8.6 and oldie but goldie OS.

As well I am using a newsreader called YA Newswatcher.

It won't even see a Yenc file, doesn't know what it is.

Over the past three years I have had chats with various people who have
steered me into different directions trying to solve this problem and
none of them work.

I've been told that MT Newswatcher will decode Yenc. But it is not
available in a version that will work with my OS.

I've been told there are helper applications out there and none of them
work with my system.

Since there have been numerous upgrades and name changes to the
Macintosh OS over the past six years I would have to try to find and
install an OS that would allow me to use programs that would handle
Yenc.

I have no intentions of going out and not just spending money on a new
OS but also having to update many dozens of pieces of software at god
knows what financial cost just so that I can actually look at just one
of your pictures.

Just changing the OS would be a massive undertaking and if things got
****ed....... my computer would be ****ed up.

Once you start you can't go back.

NO THANKS.

Now if your so smart that you think that you can solve my problem then
have at it McDuff.

I would be very grateful if that problem could be solved.

VERY GRATEFUL.

But with all due respect...... people just as smart as you have tried
over the past few years and so far.... no joy.

And to any kind soul who might even think of offering advice please
don't.

I don't need advice...... I need a solution.

Shiver

August 8th 07, 10:14 PM

> Bert-Jan > wrote:

> http://www.download.com/3000-2164-10144167.html

With all due respect Bert-Jan if you had just half a brain
you would be a half wit.

It you can't check the header info on my postings and realize that I am
on a Macintosh and NOT A PC then sir I cannot help you with your
inabilities on your own computer any more than you can help me
solve my problem on mine.

FROM DOWNLOAD.COM

Regading X-NEWS..... Requires Windows 95/98/Me/Nt/2000/XP

Now just what were you promising again Sir....

Dave LaCourse

August 8th 07, 10:43 PM

On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 21:14:11 GMT, shiver >
wrote:

>> Bert-Jan > wrote:
>
>> http://www.download.com/3000-2164-10144167.html
>
>With all due respect Bert-Jan if you had just half a brain
>you would be a half wit.
>
>It you can't check the header info on my postings and realize that I am
>on a Macintosh and NOT A PC then sir I cannot help you with your
>inabilities on your own computer any more than you can help me
>solve my problem on mine.
>
>FROM DOWNLOAD.COM
>
>Regading X-NEWS..... Requires Windows 95/98/Me/Nt/2000/XP
>
>Now just what were you promising again Sir....

The man was trying to help you. Instead of a nasty uncalled for
reply, you *could* have said:

"Bert-Jan, I am using a Mac and the info you quote is not for Macs."

Instead you have to insult the man with name-calling. You're a real
piece of work, Mr. Anonymous.

Dave LaCourse

Just Plane Noise[_2_]

August 8th 07, 10:46 PM

On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 21:03:21 GMT, shiver >
wrote:

>> Just Plane Noise > wrote:
>
>> Please decribe this system that is allegedly so old that it can't
>> decode yEnc even thought it can decode UU. The hardware requirements
>> are no different, so I suspect your shouted claim hasd no merit.
>
>
>Alright.... I'll give you a serious reply.
>
>I'm on a Macintosh....... that's a Macintosh AND NOT A PC.
>
>All of the software you talk about does not work on a Macintosh.

It took me all of one second to find yEnc TZ, a free utility that even
has a version for OS 7 as well as all later versions.
http://www.turbozen.com/mac/yenc/

At the main site (http://www.turbozen.com/) you'll see that David
Phillip Oster develeops all kinds of free things, mostly for Macs.

So your argument does not hold--there's nothing to stop you from
getting the utility and using it.

>I've been told that MT Newswatcher will decode Yenc. But it is not
>available in a version that will work with my OS.
>

That's why Oster developed his utility.

>I've been told there are helper applications out there and none of them
>work with my system.

I've got to assume that Oster knows what he is doing, but perhaps Mac
users here can comment.

>I have no intentions of going out and not just spending money on a new
>OS but also having to update many dozens of pieces of software at god
>knows what financial cost just so that I can actually look at just one
>of your pictures.

Then don't! Nobody is forcing you! I certainly wouldn't want anybody
to go through all that trouble and cost and maybe risk just to view
my pictures--I'm not so full of myself that I assume they're worth any
particular level of effort. There's no way I can tell you in advance
whether my pictures are worth it FOR YOU. Only you can make that
judgement.
>
>Now if your so smart that you think that you can solve my problem then
>have at it McDuff.
>
>I would be very grateful if that problem could be solved.
>
>
This is a problem for a Mac person, preferably one experienced with
the kind of free decoder I found. I'm a PC person, always have
been, every organization I've worked in has been a PC place, and I
even converted my wife from Mac to PC because I just couldn't help her
with Mac problems even though I rarely need tech support for PC
problems. Macs are a mystery to me, although I've been told the
reason they have the kind of problem you may be describing is
precisely because they are intended to require very little user
intervention or modification, and consequently they tolerate less
intervention or modification. (As an old under-the-hood hotrodder,
the Mac just ain't my kind of machine!). I'm sorry I can't help.

Shiver

August 8th 07, 11:26 PM

> Just Plane Noise > wrote:

> It took me all of one second to find yEnc TZ, a free utility that even
> has a version for OS 7 as well as all later versions.
> http://www.turbozen.com/mac/yenc/

Yes and over the past few years three other people before you came up
with the very same utility in the very same amount of time.

IT DOES NOT WORK WITH MY MACINTOSH.

First in order to decode a Yenc file you have to be able to download
a Yenc file.

There is no program that I have been able to find that will work with
my OS and download a Yenc file.... PERIOD.

I'm surprised you didn't come across MT Newswatcher.

Oh..... You did.

It's a cousin of YA Newswatcher and YES the latest versions of MT
Newswatcher will download and decode Yenc. But NO there is not a
version of that program that will work with my older OS.

Back to square one.

> So your argument does not hold--there's nothing to stop you from
> getting the utility and using it.

As I've just explained that the arguement still holds water.

> This is a problem for a Mac person,

And I have yet to find one with a solution.

Plenty of advice YES.... a solution... NO.

> I'm sorry I can't help.

Well I'm sorry too. There's no doubt that my life would be a lot
easier if I could decode these images like the majority.

Bert-Jan[_5_]

August 9th 07, 12:47 AM

shiver > wrote in news:080820071513117518%
:

>> Bert-Jan > wrote:
>
>> http://www.download.com/3000-2164-10144167.html
>
> With all due respect Bert-Jan if you had just half a brain
> you would be a half wit.
>
> It you can't check the header info on my postings and realize that I
am
> on a Macintosh and NOT A PC then sir I cannot help you with your
> inabilities on your own computer any more than you can help me
> solve my problem on mine.
>
> FROM DOWNLOAD.COM
>
> Regading X-NEWS..... Requires Windows 95/98/Me/Nt/2000/XP
>
> Now just what were you promising again Sir....

Well mister Shiver, from what I am seeing from ALL of your post that I
have read is that there is nothing to see that you are using a mac. This
is the first time I found out. And that is because you told me.

But as I was just trying to help and this help obviously was not for
you, maybe you could just tell me so, and not start calling me a half
wit.

Being a civil and mechanical engineer I think I am not qualified for
being any kind of wit.
On top of that I am Dutch so if my language skills are beneath the level
of proper understanding for you, perhaps that is the reason.

Having said that I can not resist. And this is not to you, shiver,
because you obviously can't (technically) read yEnc.
Talking about the use of yEnc. If I would like to communicate here, I
communicate in English, because I bet only few of you out there can
communicate with me in Dutch. So I ADAPT to what is offered to me
because I want to know what is offered to me. When I first met the first
yEnced posts I wondered what they were, found out and found out ho to
read them.
You don't hear me crying about a repost in Dutch please.

Kind regards to all,

--
Cheers,

Bert-Jan

Dave LaCourse

August 9th 07, 02:05 AM

On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 22:26:59 GMT, shiver >
wrote:

>Well I'm sorry too. There's no doubt that my life would be a lot
>easier if I could decode these images like the majority.

Well, ya can always bitch and moan. That seems to be your MI.

hth

Dave

Dave LaCourse

August 9th 07, 02:11 AM

On 08 Aug 2007 23:47:32 GMT, "Bert-Jan" > wrote:

>Having said that I can not resist. And this is not to you, shiver,
>because you obviously can't (technically) read yEnc.
>Talking about the use of yEnc. If I would like to communicate here, I
>communicate in English, because I bet only few of you out there can
>communicate with me in Dutch. So I ADAPT to what is offered to me
>because I want to know what is offered to me. When I first met the first
>yEnced posts I wondered what they were, found out and found out ho to
>read them.
>You don't hear me crying about a repost in Dutc

<clap clap clap clap clap clap clap>

How do say "wonderful" in Dutch?

Shiver

August 9th 07, 02:12 AM

> Bert-Jan > wrote:

> Being a civil and mechanical engineer

Say what you want and get as mad as you want but as a civil and
mechanical engineer one would think that you would do some homework
before offering anybody advice.

Since your using a newsreader type program I will assume that even PC
newsreaders have the ability to show the generally hidden header
information that all newsgroup postings contain.

For example here is part of yours.

User-Agent: Xnews/5.04.25

The user agent line tells me the name of the program your using which
even I realize is a PC program

Now here is some of my header information.

User-Agent: YA-NewsWatcher/5.0.1

It well show to a well informed person that since YA Newswatcher is a
Macintosh program then I am logically using a Mac.

And if you were not familiar or sure of what is was then I remind you
that GOOGLE is your friend.

And since it would only take me a few moments to do a google search on
your programs name to discover it was a PC program then common sense
also tells me that it would only take you a few moments with google to
discover that YA Newswatcher is a program for the Macintosh.

Checking headers is pretty common amongst those who post to newsgroups.

This is not rocket science.

I appreciate your effort and my reponse may have been boorish by this
groups general standards but with the agitation caused by a few
newcomers who are taking delight in destroying the harmony of this
group
I get a little upset when someone tries to be helpful when it is
obvious they havn't a clue as to the basics of the problem.

As I have stated earlier in this thread I am looking for solutions not
advice.

I have had many dozens of people in good faith giving advice over the
years but I have yet to hear from even one person that actually has a
solution to the problem.

[email protected]

August 9th 07, 04:03 AM

BULL****. So we should all stay in the stone age so as not to
inconvience your sorry ass. There are plenty of newsreaders
(inculding web based readers) that support binary groups and yenc that
I'm sure will run on your system. Your just to stuborn or stupid to
spend a little time researching them.

Why don't you post your systems specs and OS version that you are
running and I'm sure some one will do find one for you.

On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 18:26:38 GMT, shiver >
wrote:

>> Dave LaCourse > wrote:
>
>> Just *how* are we leaving *anyone* behind?
>
>Listen asswipe as I have explained in this very group before......
>
>I CANNOT GET SOFTWARE THAT WILL DECODE YENC ON MY COMPUTER.
>
>It is an older system with no way to upgrade to the point where I can
>decode these mythical Yenc files.
>
>Oh boo hoo hoo..... Yah I know poor boy, go out and buy a new computer,
>yada yada yada.
>
>No I am not going to buy a new computer just so I can see your pictures.
>
>It was decide long ago that this group would be NON YENC.
>
>Your the one causing the trouble in this group.
>
>If you and your fellow asshole just plain noise as such fans of
>aviation that you two misfits decided to join this group and start
>posting pictures then why oh why will you not act as responsible adults
>with some consideration to the rest of the group and turn YENC off when
>posting to this group.
>
>How many times do I have to tell you not everyone is in a position to
>decode Yenc.
>
>I CANNOT GET SOFTWARE THAT WILL DECODE YENC ON MY COMPUTER.
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Shiver

August 9th 07, 04:28 AM

> > wrote:

> BULL****.

You really should get a better handle on the threads your replying too
before you open your mouth and put your foot in.

> Why don't you post your systems specs and OS version that you are
> running and I'm sure some one will do find one for you.

I've already done that dip****.

I'll leave it up to you to find it for yourself.

Bert-Jan[_5_]

August 9th 07, 02:23 PM

shiver > wrote in news:080820071911547255%
:

>> Bert-Jan > wrote:
>
>
>> Being a civil and mechanical engineer
>
> Say what you want and get as mad as you want but as a civil and
> mechanical engineer one would think that you would do some homework
> before offering anybody advice.
>

I am not mad, I am jsut stating that I possibly do not qualify as a half
wit, and that my education (and diploma's) does proof that I can use my
brain.

> Since your using a newsreader type program I will assume that even PC
> newsreaders have the ability to show the generally hidden header
> information that all newsgroup postings contain.
>
> For example here is part of yours.
>
> User-Agent: Xnews/5.04.25
>
> The user agent line tells me the name of the program your using which
> even I realize is a PC program
>
> Now here is some of my header information.
>
> User-Agent: YA-NewsWatcher/5.0.1
>
> It well show to a well informed person that since YA Newswatcher is a
> Macintosh program then I am logically using a Mac.

>
> And if you were not familiar or sure of what is was then I remind you
> that GOOGLE is your friend.
>
> And since it would only take me a few moments to do a google search on
> your programs name to discover it was a PC program then common sense
> also tells me that it would only take you a few moments with google to
> discover that YA Newswatcher is a program for the Macintosh.
>
Yes, you are right, I have disabled this feature, because to me it is
mere gibberish and causes me to scroll further down in a post I like to
read. Mea culpa.

For what it's worth, simply seeing "YA-News-reader" mentioned, does not
ring any bells for me to automatically assume you are a Mac user.
If I had seen it, I indeed could/should have looked it up, but this idea
would not have come up in me, I can tell you. Because I automatically
assume you all use PC's instead of Macs. On top of that I have never
known that Mac users have problems with yEncs. Mea culpa, Mea maxima
culpa.

> Checking headers is pretty common amongst those who post to
newsgroups.
>
I frown on that but you couldbe right.

> This is not rocket science.
>
> I appreciate your effort and my reponse may have been boorish by this
> groups general standards but with the agitation caused by a few
> newcomers who are taking delight in destroying the harmony of this
> group
> I get a little upset when someone tries to be helpful when it is
> obvious they havn't a clue as to the basics of the problem.

I can understand, and I appreciate your appreciation. and in this light
your response might even be explainable.
>
> As I have stated earlier in this thread I am looking for solutions not
> advice.
>
> I have had many dozens of people in good faith giving advice over the
> years but I have yet to hear from even one person that actually has a
> solution to the problem.
>
In this I can unfortunately not help you. And all that rests me is to
wish you good luck in your quest.

--
Cheers,

Bert-Jan

Bert-Jan[_5_]

August 9th 07, 03:07 PM

Dave LaCourse > wrote in
:

> On 08 Aug 2007 23:47:32 GMT, "Bert-Jan" > wrote:
>
>>Having said that I can not resist. And this is not to you, shiver,
>>because you obviously can't (technically) read yEnc.
>>Talking about the use of yEnc. If I would like to communicate here, I
>>communicate in English, because I bet only few of you out there can
>>communicate with me in Dutch. So I ADAPT to what is offered to me
>>because I want to know what is offered to me. When I first met the first
>>yEnced posts I wondered what they were, found out and found out ho to
>>read them.
>>You don't hear me crying about a repost in Dutc
>
> <clap clap clap clap clap clap clap>
>
> How do say "wonderful" in Dutch?
>
>
>
>

That depends a bit on the context.
you could say things are wonderfully beautiful or good, then you say
"prachtig" pronounced: [prAhg-tig]. "A" like in calm and "i" like in pig
and the g's should sound a bit like you're clearing your throat.
"schitterend" could be a good second.
Pronounced "[sgIt-uh-ruhnd]" again "g" and "i" as above and the u's as in
"duh".

To give this post some aviation topic here are some planes in dutch.

Jet fighter= straaljager [straal-yaager] aa as in "aaaaahrgh"

Plane = vliegtuig [vleeg-tu.eeg] u as in "duh", immediately followed with
an "ee" sound as in bee. Like "oi" but then more "uh.i"

Glider = Zweefvliegtuig. [swayve- rest as above] rather hard "w"

Bomber = Bommenwerper [bOhm-uhn-wer-puhr]

Landing Gear = Landingsgestel [lAhn-dings-guh-stEll]

Passanger plane = Passagiervliegtuig [pAh-sah-sheer- same again]

Want some more, just holler.

Good Luck!
--
Cheers,

Bert-Jan

John Meyer

August 9th 07, 09:36 PM

In article >,
shiver > wrote:

> > Just Plane Noise > wrote:
>
> > It took me all of one second to find yEnc TZ, a free utility that even
> > has a version for OS 7 as well as all later versions.
> > http://www.turbozen.com/mac/yenc/
>
> Yes and over the past few years three other people before you came up
> with the very same utility in the very same amount of time.
>
> IT DOES NOT WORK WITH MY MACINTOSH.
>
> First in order to decode a Yenc file you have to be able to download
> a Yenc file.

I used to use yEnc TZ on my old Macs when I was running 8.6. It worked
fine. If it's not working for you, you're doing something wrong. My
memory might be fuzzy, but I think what you have to do is use the
Extract Binaries (command-b) to download the files, then drop it onto TZ
to decode them.

Just curious: why are you still running 8.6? If you need just a basic
Mac there are any number of G3 & G4 machines that can be had for CHEAP
that will run OSX and also boot into 8.6, or run it in "Classic" mode.
Well, you might have to use OS9 to do that.

--
One is always considered mad when one perfects something that others can
not grasp.*- Ed Wood

AWem

August 15th 07, 07:42 PM

How on Earth do people (?) find themselves with so much time on their
hands (not to mention supposedly dial-up dollars) to continually post
so much - and so unnecessarily rudely - about so little? If this was a
moderated group, they'd have been chucked off ages ago just for that.

Baffled. Truly baffled.

andy

On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 18:51:38 GMT, shiver >
wrote:

>TO THE GROUP.
>
>You know folks this has always been a friendly group.
>
>Oh yes a few agitators show up from time to time just like they have
>this past few weeks.
>
>But on the average it has always been a friendly group.
>
>It's surprising that in the past few weeks just two or three
>johnny come latelys have shown up with a desire to destroy this group.
>
>HEY - LET'S BE HONEST.
>
>They must be here to destroy it because they certainly are not
>acting like reponsible adults who wish to build it up.
>
>NOW ARE THEY.?????
>
>I'll bet that these little assholes have jobs and that on the first day
>of the job they were told there were certain standards and that they
>were expected to follow those standards or else.
>
>I'll bet they raised their children in a household that has certain
>standards and that they expected those children to follow those
>standards.
>
>I'll bet they sleep beside a woman who has certain standards that have
>to be met.... or else.
>
>If they joined a social club, sports club, or any organization there
>would be certain standards that they would be expected to adhere too.
>
>Or else they would be told to leave and not come back.
>
>In reality if people don't follow certain standards they get fired from
>their jobs, divorced by their wives, or kicked out of the club.
>
>But this is cyber space and instead of coming into the group and
>realizing that the majority had settle the Yenc problem by declaring
>this a Yenc free group years ago..... they have decided as a small
>group
>of relative unknowns and newcomers to be total assholes and disregard
>the requests of the majority.
>
>They have decided that their standards are more important than the
>overall welfare of the group as a whole.
>
>People like Andrew who has been here for ten years posting many many
>thousands of pictures can't hold a candle to these guys.
>
>People like Andrew are strictly dirt under their fingernails and the
>way they behave is this group is more important than anybody and
>everybody else.
>
>But within a few months they will disappear just like every other
>asshole who has tried to disrupt this group has disappeared.
>
>They say they won't but we all know they will.
>
>They will realize that no matter how much they mouth off, or try to ram
>Yenc down everybodies throat that the following they are hoping for did
>not materialize.
>
>And when they realize they have few friends here and that the majority
>is not responding to their postings in a positive manner they will go
>and this group can get back to normal.
>
>And to you the small group who are disrupting this newsgroup right now
>I point out the obvious that you could have come in with your best foot
>forward, telling us a little bit about who you are, what your interests
>are. You would have seen that Yenc was frowned upon, and for all that
>software you talk about I presume that if Yenc can be turned on it can
>also be turned off.
>
>Now that would have been the mature way to join the group, and if you
>had done that you guys would have been immediately welcomed into this
>little group of airplane enthusiasts with open arms.
>
>Instead you have decided that for a short time you will be the assholes
>of the group.
>
>And guys I just can't understand why you take that attitude and act
>this way when the absolute majority here would rather welcome you with
>open arms as new friends.
>
>But that's a decision you guys made.
>
>SO GO AHEAD AND ENJOY YOURSELF.
>
>When you get tired of little or no attention or response, you will
>disappear just like every other asshole has disappeared before you,
>because you will be ignored just like every other asshole before you
>has been ignored.
>
>You guys came here with no friends and you will leave here with no
>friends. And that is a decision you guys made all on your own.