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Jay Honeck
July 29th 07, 08:18 PM
The Week
The show was low key for us this year, as – for the first time in
years – we weren’t shopping for anything major for the plane. In
fact, we didn’t buy anything other than artwork for our next couple of
suites and a database update for our 496. (We’re working on the
“Flying Tigers Suite” and the “Hawk Suite”, so we needed a bunch of
stuff for those.) I discovered that when you’re not shopping for a
big-ticket item, the entire OSH experience becomes much more mellow,
which allowed us to concentrate on the “Family Reunion” aspects more.

And what a reunion! We ran into literally everyone we knew, it
seemed, in the first few days. It became impossible for us to walk
more than a few minutes without *someone* coming up and slapping us on
the back, or shaking our hands, and my kids even stopped rolling their
eyes. In fact, having grown up on the field in OSH (each one has
never missed and Airventure, since birth) they are discovering the
“old friends” part of Oshkosh to be truly the best part, too.

It became really funny, though, after a while, to have complete
strangers come up to us and greet us like long-lost brothers. Many
of these folks have stayed with us at the hotel – some of them years
ago, now – and they (of course!) expect Mary and me to remember
them. We would laugh and shake hands, and ask about their family,
and what they flew in – and then, after walking on, ask each other who
they were! Most of the time we had no idea, but it was fun,
nonetheless. (Note for folks at OSH – if you have a chapter name
badge, wear it on your hat! It sure makes positive ID easier…)

We also were able to hook up with Mary’s family one night, for a drive
up to Winneconne, WI – Mary’s mom’s hometown -- and a fabulous lake
perch dinner. So it really was “old home week”…

Opening night was warmed with the sounds of the Beach Boys, who can
still (mostly) hit the high notes. Unfortunately, Aeroshell Square
is flat as, well, an airport ramp (d’oh!), so only those of us over 6
feet tall could actually *see* anything. Since the rest of my family
members are all 5’ 5” and under, we soon started looking at
airplanes…

It was (once again) the year of the Light Jet. Eclipse flew their
little single-engine version, beating Piper and Cirrus to the sky –
but it was nothing but a big yawn to us. I simply can’t get excited
by aircraft that I’ll never own (or want to own, for that matter), and
the jet hoopla at OSH is largely phony, as far as I can tell.

The REAL “meat and potatoes” in general aviation right now is in the
Light Sport Aircraft, and, wow, they were EVERYWHERE. (I’ll bet the
CT demo flew five hours each day, at OSH!) The number and variety of
them are simply breath-taking, and it was really, really good to see
them, knowing that the future of GA depends on them.

As everyone knows by now, Cessna jumped into the LSA market with both
feet, with their “SkyCatcher”. It’s a cute little thing, and people
were putting $5K deposits down in droves. At least Cessna knows that
OSH is about little prop planes, not jets, and kept their “Citation
Presence” at appropriate levels.

Garmin did what was expected of them – nothing – whilst Bendix-King
introduced a new in-panel whiz box that is supposedly better than
anything on the market. Lowrance and AvMap were again AWOL with
weather, and their sales suffered accordingly. XM was again big on
the field, and people were snatching up weather products as fast as
they could. (In fact, two of our group bought 496s this year, after
having their departure weather-delayed.)

The four big buildings (Hangars A through D) were packed the first
day, and most of the usual vendors were there, but the disturbing
trend toward “Erectable flag pole” and “Foldable ladder” vendors
continued. I don’t know what EAA has to do to keep that crap out in
the Fly Market where it belongs, but it’s past time they do it. By
Day Three, the traffic in the buildings was way down from prior years,
partially because of this, and partially (I think) because there was
no “Big New Thing” this year.

IMHO, if they keep allowing non-aviation stuff into the buildings, EAA
is going to drive pilots out of them. This will, in turn, make it
less than worthwhile for the REAL aviation vendors to be there. I
can see those buildings easily turning into State Fair-style
exhibition halls, if they’re not careful.

The Fly Market was, as always, a vast wasteland of “Smokeless indoor
grills” and “Leather wallets for $2.99”. We bought a couple of
things there, but for the most part we avoided it this year. (Notable
exceptions – there are several aviation book, antique and memorabilia
dealers who have set up in the Fly Market for many years. As always,
we cleaned them out of “stuff” for the hotel. Also, Flying Colors
Glass – the guy who did our aviation stained glass windows in our
lobby – is always out there, lending the place a level of class that
it otherwise desperately lacks.)

The Aeromart – the big tent where EAA members can sell their own
stuff, on consignment – was fun, as always. We bought a big stack of
J-3 Cub wing ribs for $30, for use as “artwork” in the hotel. I
tried to find an electric trim switch to replace my FUBAR’d one, but
no joy. (I tried all week to steal Jack Allison’s, out of his Arrow,
but he wised up and kept the canvas cover over the cockpit at all
times… 

Around the Field
Strangely, the biggest addition to the field this year was news that
Gander Mountain had opened a store for camping supplies. I really
like Gander Mountain’s stuff, but they put the store out near Camp
Scholler (for the car-campers), so I never did get to see it. (For
the 25th year in a row, I STILL never made it to Camp Scholler.)

There were a few new buildings, notably one up on the flight line
named after the late Charlie Hilliard, but the grounds were mostly
unchanged. I heard some scuttlebutt that some big changes are in the
works for shuttle paths in 2008 (they’re going to make a circle
throughout the grounds, rather than just back and forth on the flight
line), but there was nothing new in that regard this year. As
always, the trams were excellent, timely, and free – all good things.

The new control tower is about 2/3rd erected, but it will take a
couple of more years to make it operational. Looking at the design
(and unlike the current classy old tower), this new one will have all
the ambiance and class of a sticky door knob, but it will be much
taller and better located, so I guess that’s progress. I hope they
can save the old tower, somehow – it’s as much a part of OSH as the
sound of a B-25 waking you up at o-dark-thirty…

The Seaplane base was unchanged, other than a new sign – which is to
say it’s still a little piece of heaven. Thankfully the stupid
“hovercraft” sales reps who had infested the place the last few years
were gone, and it’s back to being a nice, sleepy, quiet respite from
the heat and nose of Wittman Field. (And their Friday Walleye Fish
Fry is the best food on the field, bar none.)

The ultralights continue to amaze, with their scary approaches to land
and impossibly slow air speeds. Some of the LSAs were using their
field, and maybe it’s just me, but it seems like a little bit of the
ultralight thunder is gone now, with the LSAs so ubiquitous.

The Vintage area is still a favorite, although more and more Cherokees
and Cessnas are taking advantage of their “newer” age limitation.
(1970, I believe…) This is wrong, IMHO, as I don’t want to see
current production aircraft parked in a “Vintage” area – but they’re
not breaking any rules, so what can you do?

The RV crowd – so prevalent at our pool party – is EVERYWHERE at
OSH. There was even an RV-6 on FLOATS at the seaplane base! They
really are cool, and a whole bunch of them did some VERY nice (and
large – like 30+ planes!) formation flights early in the week.

Mishaps
Early in the week an old Luscombe flipped, right in front of us.
Strangely, none of us saw it happen – there is just so much to see and
do, you never know where to look on the field – but the guy ended up
inverted in the weeds. They hauled him to the hospital, but he
didn’t look badly hurt.

There were other various mishaps – a ground loop here and there, but
(to my knowledge) no one was hurt. The closest call we saw in the
North 40 was when a Beech single took off on Rwy 27, and couldn’t
climb. We watched in horror as he struggled across Hwy 41 just out
of ground effect, cleared the strip mall, and then disappeared.

Art, one of our gang, had a handheld, and immediately called the tower
to report what we had seen. Instantly our Beech pilot responded in a
high-pitched-but-not-quite-panicky-voice “That’s us! We’re running on
3 cylinders, but we’re okay and are going to try to make Marshfield
Airport!” Apparently too low and slow to attempt a turn, he
continued on – and we never heard anything more about it, so he
must’ve made it. Very creepy.

Of course the big news was when the Mustangs collided on landing,
killing one. Thankfully we were at the Seaplane Base when it
happened, but the wreckage was still being sorted through when we rode
the tram past the arrival end of Rwy 18. It looked very bad (and the
subsequent newspaper photos bore that out), and the incident really
put a hush on the crowd that night.

Weather
Oshkosh usually dishes out a mix of weather, and this year was no
different. Most days were gorgeous, with low humidity and lots of
sun, but we had a couple of good rains and one good gust front that
wiped out a few tents. (I’m sure Ray Andraka will have a few words on
this!) After one rainstorm the heat and humidity climbed into the
“Stifling” category – but only for a few hours. Compared to some
years, where the heat and humidity are nearly unbearable all week,
this year was actually quite nice – as long as you had a good tent.

To be continued...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
“Your Aviation Destination”

July 29th 07, 08:47 PM
Hi Jay,

Did you make it to the experimental aircraft area? I was watching for
you at our booth but never saw you...

Dean
AeroLEDs LLC

RST Engineering
July 29th 07, 08:51 PM
Jay, I don't know what you are using for a newsgroup writer, but your
commas, quotation marks, apostrophes, and the like are all coming up glommed
code charachters on Outlook Express.

Jim

--
"Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in
a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside,
thoroughly used up, totally worn out, with chocolate in one hand and wine in
the other, loudly proclaiming 'WOO HOO What a Ride!'"
--Unknown





"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
oups.com...
The Week
The show was low key for us this year, as – for the first time in
years – we weren’t shopping for anything major for the plane. In
fact, we didn’t buy anything other than artwork for our next couple of
suites and a database update for our 496. (We’re working on the
“Flying Tigers Suite” and the “Hawk Suite”, so we needed a bunch of
stuff for those.) I discovered that when you’re not shopping for a
big-ticket item, the entire OSH experience becomes much more mellow,
which allowed us to concentrate on the “Family Reunion” aspects more.

Bob Noel
July 29th 07, 08:59 PM
In article >,
"RST Engineering" > wrote:

> Jay, I don't know what you are using for a newsgroup writer, but your
> commas, quotation marks, apostrophes, and the like are all coming up glommed
> code charachters on Outlook Express.

fwiw - Jay's posts are fine when using MT-newswatcher.

--
Bob Noel
(goodness, please trim replies!!!)

Dan Luke[_2_]
July 29th 07, 09:01 PM
"Jay Honeck" wrote:

> I really like Gander Mountain's stuff, but they put the store out
> near Camp Scholler (for the car-campers), so I never did
> get to see it.

You didn't miss much. It was a small tent with limited stock.

The camp store nearby is something I'd never been to. Very handy for munchies
and other incidentals, AND they have cold beer!

--
Dan
T-182T at BFM

Jim Burns
July 29th 07, 09:12 PM
Hmm... weird... no problem here with OE.
Jim B
"RST Engineering" > wrote in message
...
> Jay, I don't know what you are using for a newsgroup writer, but your
> commas, quotation marks, apostrophes, and the like are all coming up
> glommed code charachters on Outlook Express.
>
> Jim
>
> --
> "Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely
> in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside,
> thoroughly used up, totally worn out, with chocolate in one hand and wine
> in the other, loudly proclaiming 'WOO HOO What a Ride!'"
> --Unknown
>
>
>
>
>
> "Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
> The Week
> The show was low key for us this year, as ?" for the first time in
> years ?" we weren?Tt shopping for anything major for the plane. In
> fact, we didn?Tt buy anything other than artwork for our next couple of
> suites and a database update for our 496. (We?Tre working on the
> ?oFlying Tigers Suite? and the ?oHawk Suite?, so we needed a bunch
> of
> stuff for those.) I discovered that when you?Tre not shopping for a
> big-ticket item, the entire OSH experience becomes much more mellow,
> which allowed us to concentrate on the ?oFamily Reunion? aspects more.
>
>
>

John T[_1_]
July 29th 07, 09:13 PM
Both the fly market and the ultralight vendor areas had a LOT of empty
spots this year. You are unfortunately correct when you say EAA needs to
police the non-aviation vendors out of here.

John T[_1_]
July 29th 07, 09:18 PM
FWIW, as a sample of Ganders ridicilous pricing, Walmart was charging
6.47 for a 20# bag of charcoal. Gander was charging 9.99 for the same
bag (same brand). Even at todays gas prices, you could drive out to
walmart, get the charcoal, come back, and still come out ahead
pricewise. I don't understand how they thought they'd be selling the
ATV's they were showing either...

If they wanted to have a captive audience, then they needed to be at the
north 40, not camp scholler.

Ditto on the bike rental guys (wheel and sprocket). They had a tent near
gander. I don't think they understood their market. They were renting
bikes, yes, but they were also selling biking clothes and accessories.
To top it off, by saturday, they were gone, and there was a sign saying
"Wheel and sprocket has closed. Please return rental bikes to our retail
store at xxxxxxxx st". That was a couple of miles away and on the other
side of the highway. I hope they don't come back, we don't need that
attitude.

Jay Honeck
July 29th 07, 10:23 PM
> Hi Jay,
>
> Did you make it to the experimental aircraft area? I was watching for
> you at our booth but never saw you...
>
> Dean
> AeroLEDs LLC

Dean, I owe you a sincere apology. I *think* I saw you the very first
day we were there (Sunday before the show started), as we were walking
back out to the North 40.

You and another guy were carefully aiming an LED landing light (built
into the leading edge of the right wing of an experimental aircraft)
for maximum brightness from the cart path. I immediately did a 180
and started heading your way, when BOTH of my kids grabbed an arm and
literally dragged me away.

This occurred after I had stopped and talked to probably 20 people in
an hour, all of whom knew us and had a story to tell. For my son this
is what's known as "Time wasted yacking instead of looking at planes",
and they had quite literally had enough!

Was that you?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Jay Honeck
July 29th 07, 10:32 PM
> "Wheel and sprocket has closed. Please return rental bikes to our retail
> store at xxxxxxxx st". That was a couple of miles away and on the other
> side of the highway. I hope they don't come back, we don't need that
> attitude.

Wow! What an amazing display of arrogance.

Contrast this with the good folks at Goodwill Industries, who (after
initially screwing up) moved heaven and earth to get a truckload of
bikes in for those of us out in the North 40.

The manager even gave us her cell phone number, so we could call
before hiking back to her store, just to make sure the bikes had
really arrived.

For $15 per bike, we were able to ride all week long, and then donate
the bikes back to Goodwill at weeks' end.

A good deal for all.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Matt Whiting
July 29th 07, 11:09 PM
RST Engineering wrote:
> Jay, I don't know what you are using for a newsgroup writer, but your
> commas, quotation marks, apostrophes, and the like are all coming up glommed
> code charachters on Outlook Express.
>
> Jim
>

They come up just fine in SeaMonkey. Jim, using OE is just wrong! :-)

Matt

Dan Luke[_2_]
July 29th 07, 11:20 PM
"RST Engineering" wrote:

> Jay, I don't know what you are using for a newsgroup writer, but your
> commas, quotation marks, apostrophes, and the like are all coming up glommed
> code charachters on Outlook Express.

They look fine in my OE.

July 30th 07, 03:36 AM
On Jul 29, 3:23 pm, Jay Honeck > wrote:
> > Hi Jay,
>
> > Did you make it to the experimental aircraft area? I was watching for
> > you at our booth but never saw you...
>
> > Dean
> > AeroLEDs LLC
>
> Dean, I owe you a sincere apology. I *think* I saw you the very first
> day we were there (Sunday before the show started), as we were walking
> back out to the North 40.
>
> You and another guy were carefully aiming an LED landing light (built
> into the leading edge of the right wing of an experimental aircraft)
> for maximum brightness from the cart path. I immediately did a 180
> and started heading your way, when BOTH of my kids grabbed an arm and
> literally dragged me away.
>
> This occurred after I had stopped and talked to probably 20 people in
> an hour, all of whom knew us and had a story to tell. For my son this
> is what's known as "Time wasted yacking instead of looking at planes",
> and they had quite literally had enough!
>
> Was that you?
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"

Hi Jay,

Yeah, sounds like us... we were in a red, white and blue Kitfox 7A.
We are in Rochester MN for the night right now, and take off at dawn
to fly back to Idaho. Sorry I missed you, just wanted to say hi...

We had fun drinking with the Kitplane Builder guys Saturday night.
They are from Toronto and were a real kick in the pants. They had an
RV-7 with leading edge halogen lights and so we had a landing light
competition. They conceded the light output battle pretty quickly,
especially since they couldn't leave their lights on their battery for
more than 5 minutes. We left ours on for about 45 minutes and only
turned them off so we could concentrate on drinking.

We had a good laugh when Whelen stopped by our booth and their sales
guy chatted with use while the young engineer sulked behind him with
his name badge turned around so we wouldn't know he was an engineer...
after being an engineer for 20 years, it's not hard to tell what he
was up to... :-)

We made some really good industry contacts during the show so the trip
was well worthwhile.

My business partner has family in Cedar Rapids and Des Moines. Maybe
I can stop by Iowa City one of these days.

Dean

Jay Honeck
July 30th 07, 04:08 AM
> Yeah, sounds like us... we were in a red, white and blue Kitfox 7A.

Jeez, I can't believe I never made it back to see you.

It's funny, after the first couple of days I start to get that
"Thousand yard stare", and fall into what I call "Oshkosh Time."
>From that point on, I can't remember anything, nor can I be relied on
to return phone calls or meet anywhere at a certain time.

Come to think of it, I met just about everyone during the first couple
of days. After that, I fell into "blinder mode" and stopped looking
at people. Sensory overload, I guess.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"


> We are in Rochester MN for the night right now, and take off at dawn
> to fly back to Idaho. Sorry I missed you, just wanted to say hi...
>
> We had fun drinking with the Kitplane Builder guys Saturday night.
> They are from Toronto and were a real kick in the pants. They had an
> RV-7 with leading edge halogen lights and so we had a landing light
> competition. They conceded the light output battle pretty quickly,
> especially since they couldn't leave their lights on their battery for
> more than 5 minutes. We left ours on for about 45 minutes and only
> turned them off so we could concentrate on drinking.
>
> We had a good laugh when Whelen stopped by our booth and their sales
> guy chatted with use while the young engineer sulked behind him with
> his name badge turned around so we wouldn't know he was an engineer...
> after being an engineer for 20 years, it's not hard to tell what he
> was up to... :-)
>
> We made some really good industry contacts during the show so the trip
> was well worthwhile.
>
> My business partner has family in Cedar Rapids and Des Moines. Maybe
> I can stop by Iowa City one of these days.
>
> Dean- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Thomas Borchert
July 30th 07, 10:00 AM
Jay,

> because there was
> no “Big New Thing” this year.
>

Aspen Avionics? Sure big enough for me.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Thomas Borchert
July 30th 07, 10:00 AM
RST,

Same problem with Virtual Access.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Jay Honeck
July 30th 07, 01:44 PM
> > because there was
> > no "Big New Thing" this year.
>
> Aspen Avionics? Sure big enough for me.

I was there all week and never heard that name uttered.

Enlighten us, please.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Thomas Borchert
July 30th 07, 03:09 PM
Jay,

> I was there all week and never heard that name uttered.
>

There's another thread on this active in the groups already, but here's
the link:

http://www.aspenavionics.com/index.php/products/evolution/

Basically, a PFD/MFD concept for the rest of us, IOW for retrofitting
existing certified aircraft. MUCH cheaper than the Garmin G600, MUCH
easier to install, and a very neat form factor to fit into existing
round cut-outs in the panel. Yes, I did say "certified" ;-)

IMHO, this has the potential of becoming a "must-have" item like the
Garmin 430/530 a few years back. Same price range, too.


--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Blanche
July 30th 07, 03:11 PM
But the problem also happens with plain text, command-line (let's
hear it for unix) trn.

AJ
July 30th 07, 04:25 PM
Jay, thanks for the report. I couldn't make it, but I feel like I was
there.

AJ

AJ
July 30th 07, 04:34 PM
On Jul 29, 3:18 pm, Jay Honeck > wrote:
> The new control tower is about 2/3rd erected, but it will take a
> couple of more years to make it operational.

This happens when you get older.

john smith[_2_]
July 30th 07, 05:02 PM
In article . com>,
Jay Honeck > wrote:

> > > because there was
> > > no "Big New Thing" this year.
> >
> > Aspen Avionics? Sure big enough for me.
>
> I was there all week and never heard that name uttered.

They were on the east side of a center aisle toward the south end of one
of the four big buildings (A/B/C/D... I can never remember which
building a vendor is in). They had a nice bag they were giving away, but
they didn't have many and what they had went quickly.

john smith[_2_]
July 30th 07, 05:51 PM
The most interesting OOPSIE! I witnessed was the F-15E over-rotation on
takeoff Tuesday afternoon for the Heritage Flight. It happened very
quickly and too fast for me to get a photo. Good thing he was in burner
or it would have been a double nozzle stike.

Longworth[_1_]
July 30th 07, 07:59 PM
On Jul 30, 10:09 am, Thomas Borchert >
wrote:
> Jay,
>
> > I was there all week and never heard that name uttered.
>
> There's another thread on this active in the groups already, but here's
> the link:
>
> http://www.aspenavionics.com/index.php/products/evolution/
>
> Basically, a PFD/MFD concept for the rest of us, IOW for retrofitting
> existing certified aircraft. MUCH cheaper than the Garmin G600, MUCH
> easier to install, and a very neat form factor to fit into existing
> round cut-outs in the panel. Yes, I did say "certified" ;-)
>
> IMHO, this has the potential of becoming a "must-have" item like the
> Garmin 430/530 a few years back. Same price range, too.
>
> --
> Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

I checked aspen avionics website and could not find any information
on whether any of their systems are IFR certified.
I am under the impression that Garmin G600 is IFR certified.

Hai Longworth

Jay Honeck
July 31st 07, 04:40 AM
> The most interesting OOPSIE! I witnessed was the F-15E over-rotation on
> takeoff Tuesday afternoon for the Heritage Flight. It happened very
> quickly and too fast for me to get a photo. Good thing he was in burner
> or it would have been a double nozzle stike.

Dang, I thought that was intentional. A very cool departure!
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Thomas Borchert
July 31st 07, 09:50 AM
Longworth,

> I checked aspen avionics website and could not find any information
> on whether any of their systems are IFR certified.
>

They say on the site that the unit is certified. What exactly do you
mean by "IFR certified"? It's not a GPS...

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

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