T-6 landing on Hwy 41 at OSH

[Jay Honeck]

Maybe this was discussed while we were in OSH, but this is a pretty
amazing piece of State Trooper video...

http://video.ap.org/v/Legacy.aspx?g=323c575a-e952-4cff-a230-216c0ba51ef3&f=ohcin&fg=email&partner=en-ap

Or http://tinyurl.com/2cwh6y if the one above wraps...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Danny Deger]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> Maybe this was discussed while we were in OSH, but this is a pretty
> amazing piece of State Trooper video...
>
> http://video.ap.org/v/Legacy.aspx?g=323c575a-e952-4cff-a230-216c0ba51ef3&f=ohcin&fg=email&partner=en-ap
>

I think the trooper gave him a ticket for not using his blinker when he
merged with traffic.

--
Danny Deger

NASA offered me $15,000 to take down my web site. Take a look and see why.
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The T-6 pilot is really quite lucky. We land on alot of highways (EMS
aeromedical helicopter) and where there are roads, inevitably there
are wires. We end up rejecting more than a few LZ's because of wires,
even on the interstate. I wouldn't be worried about cars, I'd be
worried about wires...

He lucked out.

-Ryan in Madison

[Bob Clough]

Jay Honeck wrote:
> Maybe this was discussed while we were in OSH, but this is a pretty
> amazing piece of State Trooper video...
>
> http://video.ap.org/v/Legacy.aspx?g=323c575a-e952-4cff-a230-216c0ba51ef3&f=ohcin&fg=email&partner=en-ap
>
> Or http://tinyurl.com/2cwh6y if the one above wraps...
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>

Happened to walk out of restaurant on the Highway 41 frontage road just
after the guy landed and they were towing him down the road to Fond du
Lac airport.

What I don't get is why he didn't land at the airport itself? The
runway is parallel to the highway, about a quarter mile from the
highway, and free of cars and wires.

Maybe he landed at a different stretch of the road and I just saw the
tailend of his towing to the airport? Anyone know the stretch of 41
where he put down?

Bob

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On Jul 29, 2:29 pm, Jay Honeck > wrote:
> Maybe this was discussed while we were in OSH, but this is a pretty
> amazing piece of State Trooper video...

I couldn't tell from the video, but wondered whether his prop was
still spinning when he landed on the freeway. If anyone ever has to do
a similar landing, I should note that in April 2004 a plane with
engine trouble landed on an Interstate near the Concord, CA airport.
The only serious injury occurred when his spinning prop cut through
the side of a van and sliced into a young girl's leg. At first, the
doctors thought they would have to amputate, but were able to save her
leg.

It doesn't seem like there's any good reason to have a spinning prop
when you're landing on a road, and a very good reason not to. Yet, I
can see where cutting the power just before touching down would not
likely be on the pilot's mind.

[Gig 601XL Builder]

wrote:
> On Jul 29, 2:29 pm, Jay Honeck > wrote:
>> Maybe this was discussed while we were in OSH, but this is a pretty
>> amazing piece of State Trooper video...
>
> I couldn't tell from the video, but wondered whether his prop was
> still spinning when he landed on the freeway. If anyone ever has to do
> a similar landing, I should note that in April 2004 a plane with
> engine trouble landed on an Interstate near the Concord, CA airport.
> The only serious injury occurred when his spinning prop cut through
> the side of a van and sliced into a young girl's leg. At first, the
> doctors thought they would have to amputate, but were able to save her
> leg.
>
> It doesn't seem like there's any good reason to have a spinning prop
> when you're landing on a road, and a very good reason not to. Yet, I
> can see where cutting the power just before touching down would not
> likely be on the pilot's mind.

I assume that in most cases of highway landing that the engine isn't running
or running so poorly that cutting the power isn't an option. If it is
running at all the pilot would want to keep what power he has in order the
retain as much control as possible.

Also just shutting off the engine doesn't stop the prop from windmilling. To
do that you have to have a prop that fully feathers and even then they don't
always stop fully.

[RST Engineering]

Unmitigated bushwa. Most aircraft engines (fixed pitch & CS prop) will stop
the prop at normal glide speeds.

Never had an engine failure, have you?

Jim

--
"If you think you can, or think you can't, you're right."
--Henry Ford





> Also just shutting off the engine doesn't stop the prop from windmilling.
> To do that you have to have a prop that fully feathers and even then they
> don't always stop fully.
>

[Bob Moore]

RST Engineering wrote
> Unmitigated bushwa. Most aircraft engines (fixed pitch & CS prop)
> will stop the prop at normal glide speeds.

Not a chance Jim... In every Cessna, Piper, and Beech that I have
used for instruction, I would have to slow to nearly stall in order
to stop the prop. And yes, I did do fuel shut-off demonstations
for all of my students. 3-4,000' over the airport of course. :-)

Bob Moore

[RST Engineering]

Every chance, Bob. Back in the '60s when I did my primary training it was
quite common for the instructor to pull the plug over the airport and have
you "make" the field. The prop on the 0-200 150 stopped at best glide
speed.

In the O-300 172 I took into the bridge at Grass Valley with dual mag
failure, the prop stopped at best glide speed.

In the O-470 182 I put onto the dragstrip at Hanna with a blown jug, the
prop stopped at best glide speed.

Sorry, them's the facts.

Jim

--
"If you think you can, or think you can't, you're right."
--Henry Ford



"Bob Moore" > wrote in message
46.128...
> RST Engineering wrote
>> Unmitigated bushwa. Most aircraft engines (fixed pitch & CS prop)
>> will stop the prop at normal glide speeds.
>
> Not a chance Jim... In every Cessna, Piper, and Beech that I have
> used for instruction, I would have to slow to nearly stall in order
> to stop the prop. And yes, I did do fuel shut-off demonstations
> for all of my students. 3-4,000' over the airport of course. :-)
>
> Bob Moore

[Gig 601XL Builder]

RST Engineering wrote:
> Unmitigated bushwa. Most aircraft engines (fixed pitch & CS prop)
> will stop the prop at normal glide speeds.
>
> Never had an engine failure, have you?
>
> Jim
>
>> Also just shutting off the engine doesn't stop the prop from
>> windmilling. To do that you have to have a prop that fully feathers
>> and even then they don't always stop fully.

[Gig 601XL Builder]

RST Engineering wrote:
> Unmitigated bushwa. Most aircraft engines (fixed pitch & CS prop)
> will stop the prop at normal glide speeds.
>
> Never had an engine failure, have you?
>
> Jim
>
>> Also just shutting off the engine doesn't stop the prop from
>> windmilling. To do that you have to have a prop that fully feathers
>> and even then they don't always stop fully.

As a matter of fact I have. In a 172 and the prop continued to spin until I
was on the ground and didn't stop until the AS was about 45.

[Mark T. Dame]

RST Engineering wrote:
> Unmitigated bushwa. Most aircraft engines (fixed pitch & CS prop) will stop
> the prop at normal glide speeds.
>
> Never had an engine failure, have you?

I have, and the prop kept spinning. I didn't know the engine was dead
until I went to add power and got nothing.


-m
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[Gig 601XL Builder]

Mark T. Dame wrote:
> RST Engineering wrote:
>> Unmitigated bushwa. Most aircraft engines (fixed pitch & CS prop)
>> will stop the prop at normal glide speeds.
>>
>> Never had an engine failure, have you?
>
> I have, and the prop kept spinning. I didn't know the engine was dead
> until I went to add power and got nothing.
>
>
> -m

That makes it 3 to 1. You might try adding oil now and then.

[Al G[_2_]]

"RST Engineering" > wrote in message
...
> Unmitigated bushwa. Most aircraft engines (fixed pitch & CS prop) will
> stop the prop at normal glide speeds.
>
> Never had an engine failure, have you?
>

Many. Never had a prop stop until after I landed. Even the Aeronca Chief
wouldn't do that.

Al G

[Kyle Boatright]

"RST Engineering" > wrote in message
...
> Every chance, Bob. Back in the '60s when I did my primary training it was
> quite common for the instructor to pull the plug over the airport and have
> you "make" the field. The prop on the 0-200 150 stopped at best glide
> speed.
>
> In the O-300 172 I took into the bridge at Grass Valley with dual mag
> failure, the prop stopped at best glide speed.
>
> In the O-470 182 I put onto the dragstrip at Hanna with a blown jug, the
> prop stopped at best glide speed.
>
> Sorry, them's the facts.
>
> Jim

My experience is different. When I did prop stopped glide testing in the
RV-6, I had to go well under 60 knots indicated to get the prop to stop. And
I fly behind a wood prop which has very little inertia. A metal prop would
have probably windmilled at an even slower speed.

KB