private runway

[JA_MORAN]

what must I do and who needs to be contacted if I intend to put a runway
on my property.

I own 160 acres in Cochise County, Arizona along US Highway 191.

JOHN

[Matt Whiting]

JA_MORAN wrote:
> what must I do and who needs to be contacted if I intend to put a runway
> on my property.

AOPA is the place to start.

Matt

[BT]

May also want to consider your state aeronautics board, and perhaps the
local town administration.. there may be zoning or other ordnances that need
to be considered.

B

"Matt Whiting" > wrote in message
...
> JA_MORAN wrote:
>> what must I do and who needs to be contacted if I intend to put a runway
>> on my property.
>
> AOPA is the place to start.
>
> Matt

[john smith[_2_]]

1. contact your local government agency to see if where you are has any
prohibitions regarding landing sites in their jurisdiction.
2. contact your state aviation agency about state regulations that apply
to landing sites.
3. download a copy of the FAA 5010 form and the instructions on how to
fill out the form.

http://www.faa.gov/airports_airtraffic/airports/resources/forms/

scroll down to Airspace/Landing Area and select
Notice of Landing Area Proposal (1/93) (PDF) 7480-1 MS Word
Notifies the FAA of any construction, alteration, activation,
deactivation, or change to the status or use of a civil or joint-use
(civil/military) airport (part 157)

4. contact the FAA ADO (Airport District Office) for the Region of the
country you live in.

http://www.faa.gov/airports_airtraffic/airports/regional_guidance/southwe
st/about_airports/


"BT" > wrote:
> May also want to consider your state aeronautics board, and perhaps the
> local town administration.. there may be zoning or other ordnances that need
> to be considered.

> > JA_MORAN wrote:
> >> what must I do and who needs to be contacted if I intend to put a runway
> >> on my property.

[john hawkins]

You guys sure make it too complicated..

Several years ago I ferried a champ to a farmer in Western NY state. He
just mowed a strip in his field. Worked fine for him. Of course it was NOT a
public facility.

Of course this was long before thoes insane lawyer home owners in Mass sued
an actobatic practice area.


"john smith" > wrote in message
...
> 1. contact your local government agency to see if where you are has any
> prohibitions regarding landing sites in their jurisdiction.
> 2. contact your state aviation agency about state regulations that apply
> to landing sites.
> 3. download a copy of the FAA 5010 form and the instructions on how to
> fill out the form.
>
> http://www.faa.gov/airports_airtraffic/airports/resources/forms/
>
> scroll down to Airspace/Landing Area and select
> Notice of Landing Area Proposal (1/93) (PDF) 7480-1 MS Word
> Notifies the FAA of any construction, alteration, activation,
> deactivation, or change to the status or use of a civil or joint-use
> (civil/military) airport (part 157)
>
> 4. contact the FAA ADO (Airport District Office) for the Region of the
> country you live in.
>
> http://www.faa.gov/airports_airtraffic/airports/regional_guidance/southwe
> st/about_airports/
>
>
> "BT" > wrote:
>> May also want to consider your state aeronautics board, and perhaps the
>> local town administration.. there may be zoning or other ordnances that
>> need
>> to be considered.
>
>> > JA_MORAN wrote:
>> >> what must I do and who needs to be contacted if I intend to put a
>> >> runway
>> >> on my property.

[Larry Dighera]

On Sun, 29 Jul 2007 18:10:12 -0700, JA_MORAN >
wrote in >:

>what must I do and who needs to be contacted if I intend to put a runway
>on my property.
>
>I own 160 acres in Cochise County, Arizona along US Highway 191.
>
>JOHN

I was considering grading a landing strip on an 80 acre parcel in San
Luis Obispo county, California. As I recall, the county had no
restrictions against it on that agricultural parcel.

[Larry Dighera]

On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 18:30:20 GMT, Larry Dighera >
wrote in >:

>On Sun, 29 Jul 2007 18:10:12 -0700, JA_MORAN >
>wrote in >:
>
>>what must I do and who needs to be contacted if I intend to put a runway
>>on my property.
>>
>>I own 160 acres in Cochise County, Arizona along US Highway 191.
>>
>>JOHN
>
>I was considering grading a landing strip on an 80 acre parcel in San
>Luis Obispo county, California. As I recall, the county had no
>restrictions against it on that agricultural parcel.

You can see a paved strip on a neighboring property here:
http://local.google.com/maps?ie=UTF8&hl=en&ll=35.535439,-120.585079&spn=0.047704,0.075102&t=h&z=14&om=1

[[email protected]]

JA_MORAN > wrote:
> what must I do and who needs to be contacted if I intend to put a runway
> on my property.

> I own 160 acres in Cochise County, Arizona along US Highway 191.

> JOHN

There are really two parts to this; permission to build in the first
place and registration after it is built.

In your place I think I would first call the local zoning people to
make sure you can do it. If it is in the boonies, it probably isn't
a problem.

The I would call the Azdot aviation division and see if there are
any pre-build requirements from them and get whatever registration
forms are required.

AFAIK, the FAA only wants to be told about private strips and
doesn't regulate them.

--
Jim Pennino

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[flynrider via AviationKB.com]

wrote:
>
>AFAIK, the FAA only wants to be told about private strips and
>doesn't regulate them.
>

IIRC the FAA only wants to be told about private strips if you want it
included on charts. If you don't, I can't see why they would be interested.

About 3/4 of the private strips I see while flying around (in AZ and NM)
are uncharted.

John Galban=====>N4BQ (PA28-180)

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[Aluckyguess]

That is what I was thinking. If you are the only one landing there just make
the strip and land. The only problem might be insurance.
"john hawkins" > wrote in message
. net...
> You guys sure make it too complicated..
>
> Several years ago I ferried a champ to a farmer in Western NY state. He
> just mowed a strip in his field. Worked fine for him. Of course it was NOT
> a public facility.
>
> Of course this was long before thoes insane lawyer home owners in Mass
> sued an actobatic practice area.
>
>
> "john smith" > wrote in message
> ...
>> 1. contact your local government agency to see if where you are has any
>> prohibitions regarding landing sites in their jurisdiction.
>> 2. contact your state aviation agency about state regulations that apply
>> to landing sites.
>> 3. download a copy of the FAA 5010 form and the instructions on how to
>> fill out the form.
>>
>> http://www.faa.gov/airports_airtraffic/airports/resources/forms/
>>
>> scroll down to Airspace/Landing Area and select
>> Notice of Landing Area Proposal (1/93) (PDF) 7480-1 MS Word
>> Notifies the FAA of any construction, alteration, activation,
>> deactivation, or change to the status or use of a civil or joint-use
>> (civil/military) airport (part 157)
>>
>> 4. contact the FAA ADO (Airport District Office) for the Region of the
>> country you live in.
>>
>> http://www.faa.gov/airports_airtraffic/airports/regional_guidance/southwe
>> st/about_airports/
>>
>>
>> "BT" > wrote:
>>> May also want to consider your state aeronautics board, and perhaps the
>>> local town administration.. there may be zoning or other ordnances that
>>> need
>>> to be considered.
>>
>>> > JA_MORAN wrote:
>>> >> what must I do and who needs to be contacted if I intend to put a
>>> >> runway
>>> >> on my property.
>
>

[[email protected]]

flynrider via AviationKB.com <u32749@uwe> wrote:
> wrote:
> >
> >AFAIK, the FAA only wants to be told about private strips and
> >doesn't regulate them.
> >

> IIRC the FAA only wants to be told about private strips if you want it
> included on charts. If you don't, I can't see why they would be interested.

> About 3/4 of the private strips I see while flying around (in AZ and NM)
> are uncharted.

As in the FAA wants to be told as opposed to requires that they be told?

--
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[George Young]

JA_MORAN wrote:
> I own 160 acres in Cochise County, Arizona along US Highway 191.
>
> JOHN

Cool, John. Lucky you.

This summer my wife & I surveyed Cochise and nearby counties, including
flying rental out of Benson to Wilcox, Dos Cabezas (looked enticing from
the air), back across the Dragoons and Cochise Stronghold, St David,
etc. back to Benson - great flying. We were looking for a place to
settle in a couple of years, and looking forward to doing more flying
than is possible for us in Virginia. Ended up choosing NM, southeast of
ABQ, 130 acres, maybe enough for a strip.

I hope to hear how your plans work out.

cheers,
george

[flynrider via AviationKB.com]

wrote:
>
>As in the FAA wants to be told as opposed to requires that they be told?
>

They do not require you to tell them about your private landing strip.

John Galban=====>N4BQ (PA28-180)

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flynrider via AviationKB.com <u32749@uwe> wrote:
> wrote:
> >
> >As in the FAA wants to be told as opposed to requires that they be told?
> >

> They do not require you to tell them about your private landing strip.

want: They would like it if you did.

require: You are in deep **** if you don't.

I want prime rib for dinner.

I require food.

Any other questions?

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[flynrider via AviationKB.com]

wrote:
>
>Any other questions?
>

Yes. What are you going on about? I thought I was pretty clear in my
first post. The FAA does not care about your landing strip unless you want
it charted. Period.

Now go eat whatever the heck you feel like eating.

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[Kloudy via AviationKB.com]

wrote:
>
>I want prime rib for dinner.
>
>
>Any other questions?

Fries widdat?

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[[email protected]]

On Jul 29, 10:49 pm, "BT" > wrote:
> May also want to consider your state aeronautics board, and perhaps the
> local town administration.. there may be zoning or other ordnances that need
> to be considered.
>
-

Don't forget to talk to county zoning, they have a lot of say as
well...

[Ron Natalie]

JA_MORAN wrote:
> what must I do and who needs to be contacted if I intend to put a runway
> on my property.
>
> I own 160 acres in Cochise County, Arizona along US Highway 191.
>
> JOHN
As far as the FAA is concerned, you fill out a form with notice
of intent to construct 90 days in advance. That's it. No approval
needed.

However, your local land use and building departments will almost
certainly have more onerous restrictions.

[Ron Natalie]

flynrider via AviationKB.com wrote:
> wrote:
>> AFAIK, the FAA only wants to be told about private strips and
>> doesn't regulate them.
>>
>
> IIRC the FAA only wants to be told about private strips if you want it
> included on charts. If you don't, I can't see why they would be interested.
>
You don't remember correctly. The FAA requires you to notify them 90
days in advance of the construction of any landing facility. There's a
box to check on that form as to whether you want it on the charts or not.

While they will review it and make an opinion on your submission, it's
not binding on you. All you need to do is give them notice.

[Ron Natalie]

flynrider via AviationKB.com wrote:
> wrote:
>> As in the FAA wants to be told as opposed to requires that they be told?
>>
>
> They do not require you to tell them about your private landing strip.
>

Incorrect. Stop promulgating lies.

>

[Ron Natalie]

flynrider via AviationKB.com wrote:
> wrote:
>> Any other questions?
>>
>
> Yes. What are you going on about? I thought I was pretty clear in my
> first post. The FAA does not care about your landing strip unless you want
> it charted. Period.
>
> Now go eat whatever the heck you feel like eating.
>
> John Galban=====>N4BQ (PA28-180)
>
Bull****. Read part 157. You must tell them,
but it's only an notice.

[john smith]

> flynrider via AviationKB.com wrote:
>> wrote:
>>> AFAIK, the FAA only wants to be told about private strips and
>>> doesn't regulate them.

>> Ron Natalie wrote:
>> IIRC the FAA only wants to be told about private strips if you want it
>> included on charts. If you don't, I can't see why they would be
>> interested.

In many cases, even if the FAA does not require it, your state aviation
organization may. In Ohio, it is required and goes into a database that
is used when the electric companies want to run new power lines into an
area.

[Cubdriver]

The first place to look is your town's zoning ordinance. If it has
one, it probably prohibits "airports" in residential areas. (Probably
not in agricultural areas.)

Now you need a definition of "airport". To me, that means a place open
to the public.

I think the thing to do is talk to your neighbors and ask them if they
have any objection. If they don't, go ahead and do it if it doesn't
cost too much. Maybe just make trial landings to begin.

Then if the town pesters you, look wide-eyed and ask for a variance
based on hardship. You'll get the variance if your neighbors aren't
against you.

If your town doesn't have a zoning ordinance, then so much the better.
But I'd still try to charm the neighbors first.

Good luck!

Blue skies! -- Dan Ford

Claire Chennault and His American Volunteers, 1941-1942
from HarperCollins on August 21 www.flyingtigersbook.com

[Cubdriver]

On Thu, 02 Aug 2007 08:03:09 -0400, Ron Natalie >
wrote:

>You don't remember correctly. The FAA requires you to notify them 90
>days in advance of the construction of any landing facility.

What if there's no construction?

I understand that to mean bulldozers and truckloads of gravel, a
hangar, and a windsock.

Blue skies! -- Dan Ford

Claire Chennault and His American Volunteers, 1941-1942
from HarperCollins on August 21 www.flyingtigersbook.com

[Montblack]

("Ron Natalie" wrote)
> Read part 157. You must tell them, but it's only an notice.


There is a private strip near our airport. The owner DID NOT want it to
appear on ANY charts.

He lost.

http://skyvector.com/#24-117-3-1530-580
Just outside the Class B bulge - on the right side

(pvt)
DUFRESNE
900 - 20

I've been out there and talked with the owner about this very topic.


Paul-Mont

[Roy Smith]

In article >,
"Montblack" > wrote:

> ("Ron Natalie" wrote)
> > Read part 157. You must tell them, but it's only an notice.
>
>
> There is a private strip near our airport. The owner DID NOT want it to
> appear on ANY charts.
>
> He lost.
>
> http://skyvector.com/#24-117-3-1530-580
> Just outside the Class B bulge - on the right side
>
> (pvt)
> DUFRESNE
> 900 - 20
>
> I've been out there and talked with the owner about this very topic.

I think it's reasonable that it should be on the VFR chart, even if the
owner doesn't want it. The purpose of the VFR chart is to let people
navigate visually by depicting landmarks which are visible from the air.
Deliberately omitting a good landmark from a chart (and airstrips usually
make good landmarks) does a dis-service to every VFR pilot who flies in the
area.

[B A R R Y]

On Sat, 04 Aug 2007 14:55:31 -0400, Roy Smith > wrote:


>I think it's reasonable that it should be on the VFR chart, even if the
>owner doesn't want it. The purpose of the VFR chart is to let people
>navigate visually by depicting landmarks which are visible from the air.
>Deliberately omitting a good landmark from a chart (and airstrips usually
>make good landmarks) does a dis-service to every VFR pilot who flies in the
>area.


2000 ft. grass strips look like every other hay field in many parts of
the country, and aren't all that useful as VFR features.

<http://skyvector.com/#24-15-2-4755-3128>

See Salmon River, right in the middle of the chart? For years, flying
with a chart, I thought it was a hay field. My GPS pointed it out
as an airport.

If it's paved, you've got a point.

[Cubdriver]

On Sat, 04 Aug 2007 22:52:59 GMT, B A R R Y
> wrote:

>2000 ft. grass strips look like every other hay field in many parts of
>the country, and aren't all that useful as VFR features.

There are uncharted airports in southeastern New Hampshire /
northeastern Massachusetts that have taken me years to suss out. I
have noted them on my edition of Google Earth (a wonderful way to
pre-fly or post-fly a trip). And there are charted airfields that I
have never been able to find, probably because they've been turned
into housing developments.

I started flying in 1999, and once a week I'd drive through Stratham,
a rural community near Exeter NH. For at least six years, something
like 300 commutes, there was either an access road being put in or
houses under construction along the road. Now it's entirely built out,
which has the sad but at least peaceful resolution of no more
construction.

Blue skies! -- Dan Ford

Claire Chennault and His American Volunteers, 1941-1942
from HarperCollins on August 21 www.flyingtigersbook.com

[Larry Dighera]

On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 06:19:34 -0400, Cubdriver <usenet AT danford DOT
net> wrote in >:

>I have noted them on my edition of Google Earth

How does Google Earth compare with this:
http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp=pnr0j753zpzg&style=o&lvl=1&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=7017878&rtp=null~null&encType=1

[Gig 601XL Builder]

Larry Dighera wrote:
> On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 06:19:34 -0400, Cubdriver <usenet AT danford DOT
> net> wrote in >:
>
>> I have noted them on my edition of Google Earth
>
> How does Google Earth compare with this:
> http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp=pnr0j753zpzg&style=o&lvl=1&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=7017878&rtp=null~null&encType=1

Picture quality is better on live but the scroll rate SUCKS compared to
Google Earth.

[Gig 601XL Builder]

Gig 601XL Builder wrote:
> Larry Dighera wrote:
>> On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 06:19:34 -0400, Cubdriver <usenet AT danford DOT
>> net> wrote in >:
>>
>>> I have noted them on my edition of Google Earth
>>
>> How does Google Earth compare with this:
>> http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp=pnr0j753zpzg&style=o&lvl=1&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=7017878&rtp=null~null&encType=1
>
> Picture quality is better on live but the scroll rate SUCKS compared
> to Google Earth.

I hit send a little quick compare a place that isn't the center of the
universe.

http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp=33.218854~-92.812178&style=a&lvl=15&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=7014869&rtp=null~null&encType=1

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=El+DOrado+AR&ie=UTF8&ll=33.214788,-92.813213&spn=0.002953,0.004989&t=k&z=18&iwloc=addr&om=1

The blue hanger in the group of four on the far left is mine.

[Larry Dighera]

On Mon, 6 Aug 2007 11:07:39 -0500, "Gig 601XL Builder"
<wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net> wrote in
>:

>Larry Dighera wrote:
>> On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 06:19:34 -0400, Cubdriver <usenet AT danford DOT
>> net> wrote in >:
>>
>>> I have noted them on my edition of Google Earth
>>
>> How does Google Earth compare with this:
>> http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp=pnr0j753zpzg&style=o&lvl=1&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=7017878&rtp=null~null&encType=1
>
>Picture quality is better on live but the scroll rate SUCKS compared to
>Google Earth.
>

Unfortunately Live's high-res oblique image feature doesn't cover that
location in Arkansas:
http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp=33.215636~-92.813004&style=a&lvl=17&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=7017890&rtp=null~null&encType=1

[Gig 601XL Builder]

Larry Dighera wrote:
> On Mon, 6 Aug 2007 11:07:39 -0500, "Gig 601XL Builder"
> <wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net> wrote in
> >:
>
>> Larry Dighera wrote:
>>> On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 06:19:34 -0400, Cubdriver <usenet AT danford DOT
>>> net> wrote in >:
>>>
>>>> I have noted them on my edition of Google Earth
>>>
>>> How does Google Earth compare with this:
>>> http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp=pnr0j753zpzg&style=o&lvl=1&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=7017878&rtp=null~null&encType=1
>>
>> Picture quality is better on live but the scroll rate SUCKS compared
>> to Google Earth.
>>
>
> Unfortunately Live's high-res oblique image feature doesn't cover that
> location in Arkansas:
> http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp=33.215636~-
> 92.813004&style=a&lvl=17&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-
> 1000&scene=7017890&rtp=null~null&encType=1


And MS Live covers it with a MUCH older photo. My hanger and the one next to
it were both build in 2005. Neither show up in the MS Live photo.