Empty Oshgosh?

[Lou]

Maybe it's just me, but I was there Mon-Wed and it seemed that
there was a lot of empy space. Instead of parking the planes back
to back they where just wing tip to wing tip. I also noticed that you
could
grow crops in the ultra light area. I was very interested in looking
at
a two seat LSA that was listed as a vendor that was a no show.
Also, the flymart had a ton of open space.
Did any of this space fill up after Wednesday? I know on Monday that
quite a few vendors were still setting up. The aero mart wasn't even
ready for customers. Great business practice for them.'
Lou

[Darrel Toepfer]

Lou > wrote:

> Maybe it's just me, but I was there Mon-Wed and it seemed that
> there was a lot of empy space. Instead of parking the planes back
> to back they where just wing tip to wing tip. I also noticed that you
> could
> grow crops in the ultra light area. I was very interested in looking
> at
> a two seat LSA that was listed as a vendor that was a no show.
> Also, the flymart had a ton of open space.
> Did any of this space fill up after Wednesday? I know on Monday that
> quite a few vendors were still setting up. The aero mart wasn't even
> ready for customers. Great business practice for them.'

I told my dad as much and it was our first trip there... There were also
unused parking lots for cars too...

[John Theune]

Lou wrote:
> Maybe it's just me, but I was there Mon-Wed and it seemed that
> there was a lot of empy space. Instead of parking the planes back
> to back they where just wing tip to wing tip. I also noticed that you
> could
> grow crops in the ultra light area. I was very interested in looking
> at
> a two seat LSA that was listed as a vendor that was a no show.
> Also, the flymart had a ton of open space.
> Did any of this space fill up after Wednesday? I know on Monday that
> quite a few vendors were still setting up. The aero mart wasn't even
> ready for customers. Great business practice for them.'
> Lou
>
As I recall Tuesday they broadcast no more spots on the ATIS. I saw
things empty out on Wednesday and Thursday but it looked quite full the
begining of the week.

[Lou]

Your right, it looked full. But in the past they used to park the
planes side
by side and back to back. This year it was only side by side. That is
half the
planes missing.
Lou

[John T[_1_]]

uh, no. We parked planes tail in also. Not every row can handle both
straight in and tail in planes. For example, we park twins in their own
row, straight in only. Then, because of space limitations, the row the
twins face do not have tail-in parking, just straight in.
Some of the first few rows (I'm talking north 40 here) are also too
narrow (75') for combined tail in and straight in parking. The 90' wide
rows will get both usually.

Lou wrote:
> Your right, it looked full. But in the past they used to park the
> planes side
> by side and back to back. This year it was only side by side. That is
> half the
> planes missing.
> Lou
>

[Jay Honeck]

> Did any of this space fill up after Wednesday? I know on Monday that
> quite a few vendors were still setting up. The aero mart wasn't even
> ready for customers. Great business practice for them.'

It was very full early on, Sunday and Monday. The camping areas were
full by Tuesday.

However, when a lot of people left on Tuesday/Wednesday, the "Second
Wave" that usually appears was quite small. Dunno if it was the
weather, or what, but we often have two or three different neighbors
in the North 40, when we stay the whole week.

Not this year.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Ron Natalie]

Lou wrote:
> Maybe it's just me, but I was there Mon-Wed and it seemed that
> there was a lot of empy space. Instead of parking the planes back
> to back they where just wing tip to wing tip.

We have never T-d them in in the show plane (homebuilt/vintage) areas
and to my knowledge they only did that in the North 40 in the years
when it was too soggy to use a lot of the field.

Attendence is down this year for sure in Vintage. We never even got
close to filling up. It was worse than last year. The last year
the show ended on Monday we did run all the way to the end.

The ultralight area was certainly thin. LSA is probably the
factor. First, the wink-wink nudge-nudge "for instructional
use only" two seater fat ultralight is going away which pretty
much wipes out a lot of the guys who aren't prepared to get
their stuff even eLSA capable. Those who could, were up
showing in the LSA demo areas.

Notably absent was CGS? No muzzleloaders this year.

[Ron Natalie]

John Theune wrote:

>>
> As I recall Tuesday they broadcast no more spots on the ATIS. I saw
> things empty out on Wednesday and Thursday but it looked quite full the
> begining of the week.

We were never closed in Vintage. I can't believe the North 40
technically closed either. I think the tower just stopped arrivals
because things got too backed up on the taxiways.

[Morgans[_2_]]

"Ron Natalie" <> wrote

> We have never T-d them in in the show plane (homebuilt/vintage) areas
> and to my knowledge they only did that in the North 40 in the years
> when it was too soggy to use a lot of the field.

They tailed them in at the homebuilt area every one of the 5 years I worked
there.
--
Jim in NC

[Darrel Toepfer]

Ron Natalie > wrote:

> Notably absent was CGS? No muzzleloaders this year.

Waited in line only to find out he wasn't there...

[Ron Natalie]

Richard Riley wrote:

> SP has hit all the UL companies hard. A lot of them were dependent on
> sales of 2 place UL's sold for "training" that weren't ever used that
> way. They pretty much have to get SP certified or close their doors.
> He'll be at SnF next year, I've challenged him to a taste off with my
> home-brew.

Speaking of that, where were you?

[John T[_1_]]

Aeromart has always opened a day later than the show.

In the fly market, I did notice a couple of late arrivals of some
vendors, but there were still a lot of empty spaces.

Lou wrote:
> Maybe it's just me, but I was there Mon-Wed and it seemed that
> there was a lot of empy space. Instead of parking the planes back
> to back they where just wing tip to wing tip. I also noticed that you
> could
> grow crops in the ultra light area. I was very interested in looking
> at
> a two seat LSA that was listed as a vendor that was a no show.
> Also, the flymart had a ton of open space.
> Did any of this space fill up after Wednesday? I know on Monday that
> quite a few vendors were still setting up. The aero mart wasn't even
> ready for customers. Great business practice for them.'
> Lou
>

[Morgans[_2_]]

"Richard Riley" > wrote

> It's another homebuilt project, after all.

Yes, but I'm guessing that the baby is not as well built as a good homebuilt
airplane.

After all, a baby is put together with just one screw!

Ba-da-bop! <g>
--
Jim in NC

[[email protected]]

On Aug 3, 9:59 pm, "Morgans" > wrote:
> "Richard Riley" > wrote
>
> > It's another homebuilt project, after all.
>
> Yes, but I'm guessing that the baby is not as well built as a good homebuilt
> airplane.
>
> After all, a baby is put together with just one screw!
>
> Ba-da-bop! <g>
> --
> Jim in NC

But if its a long one, you get a well-built baby. Short screws just
don't do the trick!

Dean in ID

[Montblack]

("Richard Riley" wrote)
>>Home helping my wife get through morning sickness :)

> It's another homebuilt project, after all.


And the useful load of Pampers, is what?

<http://www.diapers.com/Shop/ProductDetail.aspx?ProductID=4869&From=Brand>
Jumbo / Cruisers :-)


Paul-Mont

[Ron Wanttaja]

On Fri, 03 Aug 2007 23:50:45 -0700, Richard Riley >
wrote:

>On Sat, 04 Aug 2007 04:18:36 -0000, wrote:

>>But if its a long one, you get a well-built baby. Short screws just
>>don't do the trick!
>
>Of course I can't find the image now that I need it, but consider
>yourself answered with the Far Side cartoon captioned "Fuel? Check.
>Lights? Check. We've got clearance. Okay, Jack, let's get this baby
>off the ground"

Here's a modified version:

http://www.bowersflybaby.com/pix/wanttaja_art2.JPG

Ron Wanttaja

[Jay Honeck]

> We were never closed in Vintage. I can't believe the North 40
> technically closed either. I think the tower just stopped arrivals
> because things got too backed up on the taxiways.

Things were wrapped up tight all the way around the departure end of
Rwy 27, clear down to Basler on Tuesday. I think they did reach
saturation.

It cleared out in a hurry, though, and by Wednesday there was plenty
of room for a "Second Wave" that never came.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Montblack]

("Jay Honeck" wrote)
> Things were wrapped up tight all the way around the departure end of Rwy
> 27, clear down to Basler on Tuesday. I think they did reach saturation.
>
> It cleared out in a hurry, though, and by Wednesday there was plenty of
> room for a "Second Wave" that never came.


I wonder what the N40 would have looked like on Wednesday had sunny skies,
everywhere, been the forecast for the rest of the week?


Paul-Mont