Garmin G1000 gets airways

[Dan Luke[_2_]]

The recently issued revision to the G1000 software includes an upgrade to
permit loading airways into flightpans.

The upgrade is free to 2004, 2005 and 2006 Cessna G1000 owners, including a
labor allowance for installation. Mine was installed today; I'll report on
how it works this weekend.

--
Dan
T-182T at BFM

[B]

Dan Luke wrote:
> The recently issued revision to the G1000 software includes an upgrade to
> permit loading airways into flightpans.
>
> The upgrade is free to 2004, 2005 and 2006 Cessna G1000 owners, including a
> labor allowance for installation. Mine was installed today; I'll report on
> how it works this weekend.
>
You can thank the Citation Mustang program for that.

It should work fine.

[Peter Clark]

On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 18:23:56 -0700, B > wrote:

>Dan Luke wrote:
>> The recently issued revision to the G1000 software includes an upgrade to
>> permit loading airways into flightpans.
>>
>> The upgrade is free to 2004, 2005 and 2006 Cessna G1000 owners, including a
>> labor allowance for installation. Mine was installed today; I'll report on
>> how it works this weekend.
>>
>You can thank the Citation Mustang program for that.

Yep. Lots of the new features in this software came from the Mustang.
One cool one is the moving map in the reversionary mode. I'm also
told that the older (4/5/6) aircraft will now couple to the KAP140 fly
PT and holds-in-lieu just like the 07s.

Airways work fine. Just like the CNX80 etc, select airway, select
exit waypoint, it fills in everything inbetween.

Now if only they'd get a clue and put them into the 430/530 software
the wold would be a much happier place for those where airways are the
norm rather than the exception......

[B]

Peter Clark wrote:
> On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 18:23:56 -0700, B > wrote:
>
>
>>Dan Luke wrote:
>>
>>>The recently issued revision to the G1000 software includes an upgrade to
>>>permit loading airways into flightpans.
>>>
>>>The upgrade is free to 2004, 2005 and 2006 Cessna G1000 owners, including a
>>>labor allowance for installation. Mine was installed today; I'll report on
>>>how it works this weekend.
>>>
>>
>>You can thank the Citation Mustang program for that.
>
>
> Yep. Lots of the new features in this software came from the Mustang.
> One cool one is the moving map in the reversionary mode. I'm also
> told that the older (4/5/6) aircraft will now couple to the KAP140 fly
> PT and holds-in-lieu just like the 07s.

Does the KAP 140 have roll steering? It is my understanding that roll
steering is required to fly the Garmin "W" HILs.

[Peter Clark]

On Thu, 02 Aug 2007 11:45:35 -0700, B > wrote:

>Peter Clark wrote:
>> On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 18:23:56 -0700, B > wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Dan Luke wrote:
>>>
>>>>The recently issued revision to the G1000 software includes an upgrade to
>>>>permit loading airways into flightpans.
>>>>
>>>>The upgrade is free to 2004, 2005 and 2006 Cessna G1000 owners, including a
>>>>labor allowance for installation. Mine was installed today; I'll report on
>>>>how it works this weekend.
>>>>
>>>
>>>You can thank the Citation Mustang program for that.
>>
>>
>> Yep. Lots of the new features in this software came from the Mustang.
>> One cool one is the moving map in the reversionary mode. I'm also
>> told that the older (4/5/6) aircraft will now couple to the KAP140 fly
>> PT and holds-in-lieu just like the 07s.
>
>Does the KAP 140 have roll steering? It is my understanding that roll
>steering is required to fly the Garmin "W" HILs.

Yep. The KAP140 has had roll steering since at least 2003. Course,
the older KAP140s might have had it too, but 2003 is the earliest
sample offhand of Cessna installing the KLN94+GPSS+KAP140 into their
single engine line. Course, earlier than that KAP140s might have DC
roll steering inputs, but the -0102 part number KLN94s started
appearing in Cessna factory produced aircraft in 2003.

All G1000 Cessna aircraft have GPSS capable KAP140s.

[Peter Clark]

On Thu, 02 Aug 2007 15:03:23 -0400, Peter Clark
> wrote:


>All G1000 Cessna aircraft have GPSS capable KAP140s.

And before someone starts getting pedantic, yea, if it's a KAP140 in a
Cessna G1000 it's GPSS capable. Otherwise it's a GFC700.

[C J Campbell[_1_]]

On 2007-08-01 15:49:31 -0700, "Dan Luke" > said:

> The recently issued revision to the G1000 software includes an upgrade to
> permit loading airways into flightpans.
>
> The upgrade is free to 2004, 2005 and 2006 Cessna G1000 owners, including a
> labor allowance for installation. Mine was installed today; I'll report on
> how it works this weekend.

Great! We have not seen them yet.
--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

[Peter Clark]

On Thu, 2 Aug 2007 21:24:28 -0700, C J Campbell
> wrote:

>On 2007-08-01 15:49:31 -0700, "Dan Luke" > said:
>
>> The recently issued revision to the G1000 software includes an upgrade to
>> permit loading airways into flightpans.
>>
>> The upgrade is free to 2004, 2005 and 2006 Cessna G1000 owners, including a
>> labor allowance for installation. Mine was installed today; I'll report on
>> how it works this weekend.
>
>Great! We have not seen them yet.

They were mailed to owners of record on 7/23. You should have seen
them by now. I'd ask your service center to call Cessna and find out
where yours is.

[Dan Luke[_2_]]

"Dan Luke" wrote:

> Mine was installed today; I'll report on how it works this weekend.

OK, I couldn't wait, so on the way to work this morning I went and fired up
the G1000 on the ramp.

The airways flightplan feature worked fine once I figured out that there was
an error in the new Garmin Cockpit Reference Guide. It mentions a "Load
Airways" softkey that never appears, and fails to mention that you have to
press the MENU hardkey at some point to get the "Load Airways" option. Don't
they user-test these manuals?

Short story: you put in the entry fix, airway id and exit point (from a menu)
and you're done. The airway id.exit fix is then in your flight plan. The
airway is in white, with its number, on the course line on the moving map.

--
Dan
T-182T at BFM

[Peter Clark]

On Fri, 3 Aug 2007 09:14:26 -0500, "Dan Luke"
> wrote:

>
>"Dan Luke" wrote:
>
>> Mine was installed today; I'll report on how it works this weekend.
>
>OK, I couldn't wait, so on the way to work this morning I went and fired up
>the G1000 on the ramp.
>
>The airways flightplan feature worked fine once I figured out that there was
>an error in the new Garmin Cockpit Reference Guide. It mentions a "Load
>Airways" softkey that never appears, and fails to mention that you have to
>press the MENU hardkey at some point to get the "Load Airways" option. Don't
>they user-test these manuals?
>
>Short story: you put in the entry fix, airway id and exit point (from a menu)
>and you're done. The airway id.exit fix is then in your flight plan. The
>airway is in white, with its number, on the course line on the moving map.

When in FPL (on the MFD, this does not work from PFD), if the waypoint
before the one you're about to insert is part of an airway, when you
large knob down to the next blank space, as soon as you turn the small
knob to enter the next waypoint the lower right softkey will turn into
"LD AWY". I've never had to hit menu or anything else when inserting
an airway from the FPL button on the MFD. It's all in where your
cursor is when you turn the small knob.

[Dan Luke[_2_]]

"Peter Clark" wrote:

> When in FPL (on the MFD, this does not work from PFD),

That must be it: I was doing it from the PFD FPL.

Got it to work, though!

Thanks,

--
Dan
T-182T at BFM

[B]

Dan Luke wrote:
> "Dan Luke" wrote:
>
>
>>Mine was installed today; I'll report on how it works this weekend.
>
>
> OK, I couldn't wait, so on the way to work this morning I went and fired up
> the G1000 on the ramp.
>
> The airways flightplan feature worked fine once I figured out that there was
> an error in the new Garmin Cockpit Reference Guide. It mentions a "Load
> Airways" softkey that never appears, and fails to mention that you have to
> press the MENU hardkey at some point to get the "Load Airways" option. Don't
> they user-test these manuals?
>
> Short story: you put in the entry fix, airway id and exit point (from a menu)
> and you're done. The airway id.exit fix is then in your flight plan. The
> airway is in white, with its number, on the course line on the moving map.
>
Does it populate every fix along the airway from ABC to XYZ?

[Dan Luke[_2_]]

"B" wrote:

>
> Does it populate every fix along the airway from ABC to XYZ?

Not on the map. When you're doing the airway exit part of the flight plan,
it nominates all the waypoints on the portion you will be flying.

--
Dan
T-182T at BFM

[Peter Clark]

On Fri, 03 Aug 2007 10:16:52 -0700, B > wrote:

>Does it populate every fix along the airway from ABC to XYZ?

Yep, it puts every fix from entry to exit in the flight plan.

[Cary]

On Aug 1, 5:49 pm, "Dan Luke" > wrote:
> The recently issued revision to the G1000 software includes an upgrade to
> permit loading airways into flightpans.
>
> The upgrade is free to 2004, 2005 and 2006 Cessna G1000 owners, including a
> labor allowance for installation. Mine was installed today; I'll report on
> how it works this weekend.
>
> --
> Dan
> T-182T at BFM

This upgrade must be specific for just the Cessna G1000, because I
have not received any notification for my G1000 equipped DA42. I will
probably have to wait forever for Diamond to upgrade us with airways
and WAAS.

Cary

[Dan Luke[_2_]]

"Peter Clark" wrote:

>
>>Does it populate every fix along the airway from ABC to XYZ?
>
> Yep, it puts every fix from entry to exit in the flight plan.

???

On the flightplan I entered this morning. It listed

KBFM LOXLY V198.QUINCY KTLH

The fixes between LOXLY and QUINCY were not shown.

--
Dan
T-182T at BFM

[Roy Smith]

In article >,
"Dan Luke" > wrote:

> "Peter Clark" wrote:
>
> >
> >>Does it populate every fix along the airway from ABC to XYZ?
> >
> > Yep, it puts every fix from entry to exit in the flight plan.
>
> ???
>
> On the flightplan I entered this morning. It listed
>
> KBFM LOXLY V198.QUINCY KTLH
>
> The fixes between LOXLY and QUINCY were not shown.

On the 480, there's an expand (XPND) function which toggles between just
showing the airway endpoints and showing all the intermediate fixes.
Perhaps there is the same on the 1000?

[Dan Luke[_2_]]

"Roy Smith" wrote:

>>
>> On the flightplan I entered this morning. It listed
>>
>> KBFM LOXLY V198.QUINCY KTLH
>>
>> The fixes between LOXLY and QUINCY were not shown.
>
> On the 480, there's an expand (XPND) function which toggles between just
> showing the airway endpoints and showing all the intermediate fixes.
> Perhaps there is the same on the 1000?

Perhaps.

I'm taking the new SW on a shakedown cruise tomorrow. I'll check it and see.

--
Dan
T-182T at BFM

[B]

Dan Luke wrote:
> "Peter Clark" wrote:
>
>
>>>Does it populate every fix along the airway from ABC to XYZ?
>>
>>Yep, it puts every fix from entry to exit in the flight plan.
>
>
> ???
>
> On the flightplan I entered this morning. It listed
>
> KBFM LOXLY V198.QUINCY KTLH
>
> The fixes between LOXLY and QUINCY were not shown.
>
I don't know about Garmin but the ARINC format for that route would be:

KBFM..LOXY..V198.QUINCY..KTLH

(two dots for direct)

[Ron Rosenfeld]

On Fri, 3 Aug 2007 18:45:44 -0500, "Dan Luke" >
wrote:

>
>"Peter Clark" wrote:
>
>>
>>>Does it populate every fix along the airway from ABC to XYZ?
>>
>> Yep, it puts every fix from entry to exit in the flight plan.
>
>???
>
>On the flightplan I entered this morning. It listed
>
>KBFM LOXLY V198.QUINCY KTLH
>
>The fixes between LOXLY and QUINCY were not shown.


What is QUINCY? I can't locate it, and I thought all intersections were
five characters.
Ron (EPM) (N5843Q, Mooney M20E) (CP, ASEL, ASES, IA)

[Peter Clark]

On Sat, 04 Aug 2007 14:13:55 -0400, Ron Rosenfeld
> wrote:


>>On the flightplan I entered this morning. It listed
>>
>>KBFM LOXLY V198.QUINCY KTLH
>>
>>The fixes between LOXLY and QUINCY were not shown.
>
>
>What is QUINCY? I can't locate it, and I thought all intersections were
>five characters.

I can only presume it's QUNCY but QUNCY doesn't exist on V198. Perhaps
he meant QUILL but I would have suspected the routing would have been
KBFM LOXLY V198 SZW KTLH. The system should have entered waypoints
for BRATT PENSI INBRD BAKOS CEW CORKY DEFUN CHEWS MAI SNEAD QUILL and
SZW if that's what was entered with the "LD ARWY" function. Course, he
was doing it from the PFD instead of the MFD, so it would be
interesting to know what was depected on the map and in the MFD's FPL
screen. I've only just installed these on my G1000s and haven't had
any chance to play with them myself. I do know from doing that
though, when entered via MFD it shows a leg of the flight plan as
"AIRWAY <entry> <exit>" and depicts the various waypoints on the map.

[Ron Rosenfeld]

On Sat, 04 Aug 2007 15:40:46 -0400, Peter Clark
> wrote:

>On Sat, 04 Aug 2007 14:13:55 -0400, Ron Rosenfeld
> wrote:
>
>
>>>On the flightplan I entered this morning. It listed
>>>
>>>KBFM LOXLY V198.QUINCY KTLH
>>>
>>>The fixes between LOXLY and QUINCY were not shown.
>>
>>
>>What is QUINCY? I can't locate it, and I thought all intersections were
>>five characters.
>
>I can only presume it's QUNCY but QUNCY doesn't exist on V198. Perhaps
>he meant QUILL but I would have suspected the routing would have been
>KBFM LOXLY V198 SZW KTLH. The system should have entered waypoints
>for BRATT PENSI INBRD BAKOS CEW CORKY DEFUN CHEWS MAI SNEAD QUILL and
>SZW if that's what was entered with the "LD ARWY" function. Course, he
>was doing it from the PFD instead of the MFD, so it would be
>interesting to know what was depected on the map and in the MFD's FPL
>screen. I've only just installed these on my G1000s and haven't had
>any chance to play with them myself. I do know from doing that
>though, when entered via MFD it shows a leg of the flight plan as
>"AIRWAY <entry> <exit>" and depicts the various waypoints on the map.

I see I posted to the wrong person. Hopefully Dan will see this and
clarify.

The CNX80 also populates all the fixes, as was pointed out by someone else.
Ron (EPM) (N5843Q, Mooney M20E) (CP, ASEL, ASES, IA)

[Dan Luke[_2_]]

"Ron Rosenfeld" wrote:

>>"AIRWAY <entry> <exit>" and depicts the various waypoints on the map.
>
> I see I posted to the wrong person. Hopefully Dan will see this and
> clarify.
>

QUILL, not QUINCY

--
Dan
T-182T at BFM

[Dan Luke[_2_]]

"Ron Rosenfeld" wrote:

>
> The CNX80 also populates all the fixes,

The G1000 shows all the ones that mark course changes on the active
flightplan.

--
Dan
T-182T at BFM

[Peter Clark]

On Sat, 4 Aug 2007 16:03:33 -0500, "Dan Luke"
> wrote:

>
>"Ron Rosenfeld" wrote:
>
>>
>> The CNX80 also populates all the fixes,
>
>The G1000 shows all the ones that mark course changes on the active
>flightplan.

Strange. Does it let you direct-to an intermediate fix? I've really
gotta go fly.

[Dan Luke[_2_]]

"Peter Clark" wrote:

>>
>>The G1000 shows all the ones that mark course changes on the active
>>flightplan.
>
> Strange. Does it let you direct-to an intermediate fix? I've really
> gotta go fly.

So do I. I haven't actually flown a trip on a flightplan with an airway in it
yet.

I'm sure you can "direct-to" any waypoint in the flightplan.

--
Dan
T-182T at BFM

[Peter Clark]

On Sat, 4 Aug 2007 17:59:32 -0500, "Dan Luke"
> wrote:

>
>"Peter Clark" wrote:
>
>>>
>>>The G1000 shows all the ones that mark course changes on the active
>>>flightplan.
>>
>> Strange. Does it let you direct-to an intermediate fix? I've really
>> gotta go fly.
>
>So do I. I haven't actually flown a trip on a flightplan with an airway in it
>yet.
>
>I'm sure you can "direct-to" any waypoint in the flightplan.

Yea, I'm surprised it's not depicting the waypoints. Since this is
all derived from the Mustang updates, and when flying in the flight
levels "cross <random fix somewhere on your flight plan> at one zero
thousand" is pretty common, not having <random fix> available for the
VNAV page would be quite a nuisance. I wouldn't think they'd mess
around with the code that much to make the Mustang and single-engine
versions act differently in that respect.

[Ron Rosenfeld]

On Sat, 4 Aug 2007 16:03:33 -0500, "Dan Luke" >
wrote:

>
>"Ron Rosenfeld" wrote:
>
>>
>> The CNX80 also populates all the fixes,
>
>The G1000 shows all the ones that mark course changes on the active
>flightplan.

OK, on the simulator for the CNX80/GNS480, I enter

Origin KBFM
Dest KTLH
Waypt LOXLY
Airway V198 --> QUILL

Since there is no airway from QUILL direct to KTLH, I then delete the
"discontinuity"

In the regular display, I see:

KBFM
LOXLY
V198
QUILL
KTLH

In the EXPANDED mode, I see:

KBFM
LOXLY
V198-->QUILL
BRATT
PENSI
INBRD
BAKOS
CEW
CORKY
DEFUN
CHEWS
MAI
SNEAD
QUILL
KTLH
Ron (EPM) (N5843Q, Mooney M20E) (CP, ASEL, ASES, IA)

[Dan Luke[_2_]]

"Ron Rosenfeld" wrote:

> In the EXPANDED mode, I see:

I remember seeing something about "expand" something down in the menus
somewhere. If I get a chance tomorrow, I'll check it out.

--
Dan
T-182T at BFM

[B]

Peter Clark wrote:
> On Sat, 4 Aug 2007 17:59:32 -0500, "Dan Luke"
> > wrote:
>
>
>>"Peter Clark" wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>The G1000 shows all the ones that mark course changes on the active
>>>>flightplan.
>>>
>>>Strange. Does it let you direct-to an intermediate fix? I've really
>>>gotta go fly.
>>
>>So do I. I haven't actually flown a trip on a flightplan with an airway in it
>>yet.
>>
>>I'm sure you can "direct-to" any waypoint in the flightplan.
>
>
> Yea, I'm surprised it's not depicting the waypoints. Since this is
> all derived from the Mustang updates, and when flying in the flight
> levels "cross <random fix somewhere on your flight plan> at one zero
> thousand" is pretty common, not having <random fix> available for the
> VNAV page would be quite a nuisance. I wouldn't think they'd mess
> around with the code that much to make the Mustang and single-engine
> versions act differently in that respect.

If there is no STAR they will often give you a crossing fix on a Victor
airway, which isn't loaded in the Jet Route flight plan in any case.
So, the fix has to be entered manually at that point.