Ack! "insane 747 landing"

[Gattman[_2_]]

http://www.geekologie.com/2007/06/insane_747_landing.php

[Hawkeye[_2_]]

Thats the way its done! Long approach landing on a short runway. I
can't wait to visit that beach someday.

[Danny Deger]

"Hawkeye" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> Thats the way its done! Long approach landing on a short runway. I
> can't wait to visit that beach someday.

I want to visit it also. Anyone know how long the runway is? It certainly
doesn't have an underrun.

Danny Deger
>

[John Ousterhout[_2_]]

Gattman wrote:
> http://www.geekologie.com/2007/06/insane_747_landing.php

That's not unusual at the Philipsburg/St. Maarten - Princess Juliana
airport in the Netherlands Antilles (SXM / TNCM)

Go to http://airliners.net/ Do a photo search for "St. Maarten"
There are lots of photos like these: http://tinyurl.com/3dtaey,
http://tinyurl.com/3bf2gn, http://tinyurl.com/38wxde, and
http://tinyurl.com/2j6m8d


- John (blown away) Ousterhout -

[Morgans[_2_]]

"John Ousterhout" > wrote

> Go to http://airliners.net/ Do a photo search for "St. Maarten"
> There are lots of photos like these: , http://tinyurl.com/3bf2gn,
> http://tinyurl.com/38wxde, and http://tinyurl.com/2j6m8d

I don't know if anyone else noticed it, bit in http://tinyurl.com/3dtaey
there is a guy standing there holding a windsock up! Too Funny! :-))
--
Jim in NC

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

"Gattman" > wrote in news:13b7fj15ke38sd3
@corp.supernews.com:

>
> http://www.geekologie.com/2007/06/insane_747_landing.php
>
>

Not insane, just the way you have to do it.

There's a couple of places just like this, but there's one in particular
that makes this look relatively tame and that Ajjacio, Corsica. It's up a
Fjord.
When the wind favors it, you land on the runway with the appraoch over the
beach (and it's quite short, about 7,000 feet) but when the wind blows the
other way you have to thread your way through a few mountains on a very
tight right hand pattern. Watching Corsair do it in a 747 is simply
amazing. I've done it in a relatively miniscule A300 and it does maintain
your interest..



Bertie

[Dale[_3_]]

In article >,
"Morgans" > wrote:

> http://tinyurl.com/3dtaey

Looks to me like the windsock is in the background.

[Morgans[_2_]]

"Dale" > wrote

> Looks to me like the windsock is in the background.

Yeah, as I looked at it again, I started to think that might be the case.
Perhaps a helicopter company at that end of the runway.

Still funny, though. Put up a windsock so the landing pilots can get a last
quick look at the wind conditions? <g>
--
Jim in NC

[Danny Deger]

"Morgans" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Dale" > wrote
>
>> Looks to me like the windsock is in the background.
>
> Yeah, as I looked at it again, I started to think that might be the case.
> Perhaps a helicopter company at that end of the runway.
>
> Still funny, though. Put up a windsock so the landing pilots can get a
> last quick look at the wind conditions? <g>

Why the grin? The wind sock is put up there for exactly that reason. One
last look at the winds before touch down. Pilots of 747s need this
information just as bad as pilots of J-3 cubs.

Danny Deger

[Jay Honeck]

On Aug 3, 5:46 pm, "Gattman" > wrote:
> http://www.geekologie.com/2007/06/insane_747_landing.php

Scroll down to "St. Martin Airport" here:

http://www.alexisparkinn.com/airliners_videos.htm
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Bob Fry]

Ya know--quite a number of people should never wear a bathing suit.
--
The wise man can pick up a grain of sand and envision a whole
universe. But the stupid man will just lie down on some seaweed
and roll around until he's completely draped in it. Then he'll
stand up and go, "Hey, I'm Vine Man."
- Jack Handey

[Newps]

Danny Deger wrote:

>
> Why the grin? The wind sock is put up there for exactly that reason.
> One last look at the winds before touch down. Pilots of 747s need this
> information just as bad as pilots of J-3 cubs.

All these aircraft today have the real time wind displayed on their
glass panels.

[B A R R Y]

On Sat, 04 Aug 2007 21:31:35 -0600, Newps > wrote:

>All these aircraft today have the real time wind displayed on their
>glass panels.


Newps, Where does that data come from? Is every locality equipped?

The reason that I ask is that last winter, I was monitoring BDL
approach and tower during a serious snow storm. A US Air A320 asked
for a wind check ~ every 5-10 seconds while on final. He must have
asked for 5 or 6 readings.

After landing, the tower asked him if he had received the wind checks
and why he kept asking. The pilot replied that situational awareness
prevented him from answering, and the aircraft was near it's crosswind
limit, so he needed the constant checks.

[Morgans[_2_]]

"Newps" > wrote

> All these aircraft today have the real time wind displayed on their glass
> panels.

He is just mad at me, and trying to get another dig in.

If an airliner does not have the wind figured out a hundred feet or so from
the numbers, I can't see how a windsock is going to help, anyway.

Plus, if they need a beach go-er to hold up a windsock on that short of a
final, they should turn in their wings.
--
Jim in NC

[Bob Moore]

B A R R Y wrote
Newps wrote:
>>All these aircraft today have the real time wind displayed on their
>>glass panels.
>
> Newps, Where does that data come from? Is every locality equipped?

The wind is computed from the INS/IRS (or GPS) and the Air Data System.

GS/TK from the INS/IRS and TAS/HDG from the Air Data/Compass Systems.

Four of the six items in the wind triangle problem equals WIND.

Bob Moore

[Allen[_1_]]

"Bob Fry" > wrote in message
...
> Ya know--quite a number of people should never wear a bathing suit.
> --

You would rather see us nekkid? eeewwww!!!

[B A R R Y]

On 05 Aug 2007 12:16:41 GMT, Bob Moore >
wrote:

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>The wind is computed from the INS/IRS (or GPS) and the Air Data System.
>
>GS/TK from the INS/IRS and TAS/HDG from the Air Data/Compass Systems.
>
>Four of the six items in the wind triangle problem equals WIND.
>
>Bob Moore


Thanks!

[Danny Deger]

"Morgans" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Newps" > wrote
>
>> All these aircraft today have the real time wind displayed on their glass
>> panels.
>
> He is just mad at me, and trying to get another dig in.

You are NOT that important to me :-)

I can tell you even when landing my F-4, which did have a cockpit wind read
out based on INS/airdata system, I always looked at the wind sock on short
final. I even looked at it while further up. For one reason the winds at
500 feet are ofter very different than the winds on the surface. While
approaching the runway, I needed to know the winds at the appoach end of the
runway, as well as the winds at my current altitude. And the Air Force
ALWAYS had a wind sock at the approach end of the runway for me to look at.
They didn't have to pay a person in a swim suit to hold it up either. It was
no a pole. This is my personal experience landing high performance jet
aircraft using wind sock data. What is yours?

Danny Deger

[Danny Deger]

I forgot one important reason a wind sock is need, even when you have
internally generated wind data. The sock INSTANTLY gives you gust
information by how much the sock is bouncing around. The cockpit display
didn't show gusts as well.

--
Danny Deger

NASA offered me $15,000 to take down my web site. Take a look and see why.
www.dannydeger.net

[Gattman[_2_]]

"Bob Fry" > wrote in message
...

> Ya know--quite a number of people should never wear a bathing suit.

Well, I figure they have as much of a right to be comfortable as me and
they're probably not wearing it for my edification et al, but...

....that's one reason to be careful looking at the St. Maarten photos on
Airliners.net: It's not the bathing suits, but the lack thereof. I made
sure the video was safe for work/family before posting the link.

-c

[Robert M. Gary]

On Aug 3, 4:46 pm, "Gattman" > wrote:
> http://www.geekologie.com/2007/06/insane_747_landing.php

Wow, the people on the beach look taller than the plane.

-Robert

[Montblack]

("Gattman" wrote)
> ...that's one reason to be careful looking at the St. Maarten photos on
> Airliners.net: It's not the bathing suits, but the lack thereof. I made
> sure the video was safe for work/family before posting the link.


Many pages of pics.

<http://airliners.net/search/photo.search?nr_of_rows=2170&keywords=st%20maarten&keywrange=&first_this_page=30&page_limit=15&sort_order=photo_id+DESC&thumbnails=&engine_version=&nr_pages=145&page=>
As a winter getaway destination, I could enjoy hanging out on that beach.
Seriously!


Paul-Mont