am I loser?

[Frederick Wilson]

Well folks I am struggling here. I know what I want to build but I am having
trouble justifing starting the project. This is what I have going on. New
baby coming in January (I'm excited). Trying to complete the new master
bedroom (Make room for new baby). Going to school. And am a national guard
member on active duty. I try to justify my not starting the project because
my plate is full and because I have not gotten my two car garage/hanger
built.

I have read in several places how folks started their project in apartments
and via other means.

Am I a loser, procrastintor, or do I really have a full plate?

Fred

[Capt. Doug]

>Frederick Wilson wrote in message >
> Am I a loser, procrastintor, or do I really have a full plate?

One of your projects will be done in January. That should free up some time.
:-)

D. (Just do it!)

[Barnyard BOb --]

"Morgans" wrote:

>
>I would say that you should do the things you need to do around the house,
>before you get started on your project. That is the advise that will make
>continueing a married relationship possible.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Tsk, tsk, tsk.

ad·vice <---<<<<
n.

1. Opinion about what could or should be done about a situation or
problem; counsel.
2. Information communicated; news. Often used in the plural:
advices from an ambassador.


ad·vise, ad-vis-es
v.

1. To offer advice to; counsel.
2. To recommend; suggest: advised patience.
3. Usage Problem. To inform; notify.


con·tin·ue
v. con·tin·ued, con·tin·u·ing, con·tin·ues
v. intr.


P.S.
Is the subject of QUALITY teachers
still open for discussion? <g>


Barnyard BOb - Spell Police trainee

[Ken Sandyeggo]

"Morgans" > wrote in message >...
> "Frederick Wilson" > wrote in message
> news:EOU1b.182903$Oz4.48809@rwcrnsc54...
> > Well folks I am struggling here. I know what I want to build but I am
> having
> > trouble justifing starting the project. This is what I have going on. New
> > baby coming in January (I'm excited). Trying to complete the new master
> > bedroom (Make room for new baby). Going to school. And am a national guard
> > member on active duty. I try to justify my not starting the project
> because
> > my plate is full and because I have not gotten my two car garage/hanger
> > built.
> >
> > I have read in several places how folks started their project in
> apartments
> > and via other means.
> >
> > Am I a loser, procrastintor, or do I really have a full plate?
> >
> > Fred
> >
> >
> Sounds like plenty, right now.
>
> I would say that you should do the things you need to do around the house,
> before you get started on your project. That is the advise that will make
> continueing a married relationship possible. Plus, If you get caught up
> with the other stuff, you can devote more uninterrupted time to your
> project.
>
> I am at the same stage now, in a way.

Come on! When does one ever get caught up around the house? If you
use that as a reason, you'll never get started. Heck, most of us just
spent an hour or so every couple days working on our projects. If you
know what you want and can afford it, go ahead and get the parts and
start slowly. Eventually it'll get done, despite all the other
projects and chores you have.

Or, like me during one stage of my life, throw the kids out to fend
for themselves and go through a divorce. Rent a tiny apartment with
a hotplate, crummy TV and 2 cubic foot refrigerator and stock it with
TV dinners and lunchmeat. Your ex will get the car and you can get
yourself a cheap "beater." You'll have all the time you want to work
on your plane, because you'll be too embarrassed to ask a woman out in
your junky car or bring her to your crummy apartment. Your clothes
will look like crap too, because you never learned how to use an iron.
Truthfully though, your way is better. That time in my life wasn't
too enjoyable and the time as a kid-raising family is something to
really treasure.

Ken J. - Sandie a go

[Veeduber]

Plunging out of the sun, Websters blazing, the Grumpy Grammarian pounces on the
unsuspecting Newbie and gives him the whole nine yards. As the Newbie spirals
down in flames the deadly Grammarian slides back the canopy and chomps the butt
of his stoogie. "God but I'm good!"

[Barnyard BOb --]

(Veeduber) wrote:

>Plunging out of the sun, Websters blazing, the Grumpy Grammarian pounces on the
>unsuspecting Newbie and gives him the whole nine yards. As the Newbie spirals
>down in flames the deadly Grammarian slides back the canopy and chomps the butt
>of his stoogie. "God but I'm good!"
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

<chuckle>

Grumpy Grammarian's quarry might not be
Manfred von Richthofen, but a newbie or
virgin he sure as hell aint.


ain't --
Nonstandard

1. Contraction of am not.
2. Used also as a contraction for are not,
is not, has not, and have not.


Barnyard BOb --

[RobertR237]

In article <EOU1b.182903$Oz4.48809@rwcrnsc54>, "Frederick Wilson"
> writes:

>
>Well folks I am struggling here. I know what I want to build but I am having
>trouble justifing starting the project. This is what I have going on. New
>baby coming in January (I'm excited). Trying to complete the new master
>bedroom (Make room for new baby). Going to school. And am a national guard
>member on active duty. I try to justify my not starting the project because
>my plate is full and because I have not gotten my two car garage/hanger
>built.
>
>I have read in several places how folks started their project in apartments
>and via other means.
>
>Am I a loser, procrastintor, or do I really have a full plate?
>
>Fred
>
>

Fred,

I hate to put it this way but if you have to ask, you probably should wait. If
you do decide to go forward, set aside one night or one day of the weekend as a
commitment to the project and stick to it. Just remember, it is going to take
a long time.




Bob Reed
www.kisbuild.r-a-reed-assoc.com (KIS Builders Site)
KIS Cruiser in progress...Slow but steady progress....

"Ladies and Gentlemen, take my advice,
pull down your pants and Slide on the Ice!"
(M.A.S.H. Sidney Freedman)

[Morgans]

"Barnyard BOb --" > wrote > v. intr.
>
>
> P.S.
> Is the subject of QUALITY teachers
> still open for discussion? <g>
>
>
> Barnyard BOb - Spell Police trainee
>
You got me. I recently reformated, and didn't have the spell check on yet.
Add to that my increased levels of pain medication after my surgery... you
see the results.

Thats my story, and I'm stickin' to it!

As far as my teaching goes, I'll challenge you to a wood cuttin' and
hammerin' duel, anytime.

[Morgans]

"Morgans" > wrote in message
...
>
> " he sure as hell aint.
> >
> > Barnyard BOb --
>
> BOb, did you forget something up there? Perhaps on of these. ( ' ) :-)
> --
> Jim in NC
>
>
>
Just like I forgot one of these; ( e )

[Roger Halstead]

On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 07:14:51 -0500, Barnyard BOb -- >
wrote:

>(Veeduber) wrote:
>
>>Plunging out of the sun, Websters blazing, the Grumpy Grammarian pounces on the
>>unsuspecting Newbie and gives him the whole nine yards. As the Newbie spirals
>>down in flames the deadly Grammarian slides back the canopy and chomps the butt
>>of his stoogie. "God but I'm good!"
>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
><chuckle>
>
>Grumpy Grammarian's quarry might not be
>Manfred von Richthofen, but a newbie or
>virgin he sure as hell aint.
>
>
>ain't --
>Nonstandard
>
> 1. Contraction of am not.
> 2. Used also as a contraction for are not,
> is not, has not, and have not.

OKKKK...Now that you've fidished describing my finances...

Roger Halstead (K8RI EN73 & ARRL Life Member)
www.rogerhalstead.com
N833R World's oldest Debonair? (S# CD-2)
>
>
>Barnyard BOb --
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

[pac plyer]

"Capt. Doug" > wrote in message >...
> >Frederick Wilson wrote in message >
> > Am I a loser, procrastintor, or do I really have a full plate?
>
> One of your projects will be done in January. That should free up some time.
> :-)
>
> D. (Just do it!)

Doug is right. No balls, No babies. Get a starter kit of
glass/wood/metal play with that in the living room, and then.... if
that doesn't cause a divorce, get some plans and start on something
simple like an elevator in the kitchen. If that doesn't cause a
divorce then move up to a Stabilizer in the bedroom (get her back
barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen again, so you'll have extra
space.) Then go to Oshkosh camping with the kids in a few years and
take pictures to show the friends you will meet there. Don't be
intimidated by the fact that 90% of these projects never fly. Just
doing it is a satisfying part of the homebuilding religion. But act
confident at all times like you know what you're doing. If at any
time a female or management brain puts together the fact that you
really don't have a clue what you're doing beyond day by day (making
it up as you go along) you're hosed.

No, you are not a loser. A loser is a person who never posts his real
name, and likewise does not have the courage to ask such questions.

Good Luck

pacplyer

[Barnyard BOb --]

"Morgans" > wrote:


>> P.S.
>> Is the subject of QUALITY teachers
>> still open for discussion? <g>
>>
>>
>> Barnyard BOb - Spell Police trainee
>>
>Add to that my increased levels of pain medication after my surgery... you
>see the results.
>
>Thats my story, and I'm stickin' to it!

Stick to whatever you want,
but can I have some of your stuff?

>As far as my teaching goes, I'll challenge you to a wood cuttin' and
>hammerin' duel, anytime.

Sorry.
I only duel and get hammered with..... MUZZLELOADER.


Barnyard BOb --

[Ken Sandyeggo]

(pac plyer) wrote in message >...
> (Ken Sandyeggo) wrote:
> > Come on! When does one ever get caught up around the house? If you
> > use that as a reason, you'll never get started. Heck, most of us just
> > spent an hour or so every couple days working on our projects. If you
> > know what you want and can afford it, go ahead and get the parts and
> > start slowly. Eventually it'll get done, despite all the other
> > projects and chores you have.
> >
> > Or, like me during one stage of my life, throw the kids out to fend
> > for themselves and go through a divorce. Rent a tiny apartment with
> > a hotplate, crummy TV and 2 cubic foot refrigerator and stock it with
> > TV dinners and lunchmeat. Your ex will get the car and you can get
> > yourself a cheap "beater." You'll have all the time you want to work
> > on your plane, because you'll be too embarrassed to ask a woman out in
> > your junky car or bring her to your crummy apartment. Your clothes
> > will look like crap too, because you never learned how to use an iron.
> > Truthfully though, your way is better. That time in my life wasn't
> > too enjoyable and the time as a kid-raising family is something to
> > really treasure.
> >
> > Ken J. - Sandie a go
>
>
>
> Gee Ken,
> Now I know you're in aviation for sure! And an experienced builder to
> boot. You didn't by any chance also work for an FBO as a flight
> instructor did you? If not: I can get you a job as one.... seeing as
> you're already famillar with all the fringe benifits! :-)

Naw, I was a cop for about 13 years. That took good care of my
marriage, especially when my wife got hired as a deputy sheriff. I
was off on Monday and Tuesday, she was off on Thursday and Friday, I'd
work nights and she'd work p.m.s and after a year or 2 of that kind of
scheduling and the stress that comes with the job (she had 2 emotional
breakdowns before the marriage ended), it was all over. I made it to
22.5 years though. That must be some kind of record or close to it
for California. I've been with someone for about 9 years now, but I
ain't ever tying no knot again. If it's ever over, I just shove my
crap into a plastic garbage bag and sleep in the hangar for a few
nights until I can get a room at the "Y" or somewhere.

Ken J. - Sandy Eggowe

[Snowbird]

Barnyard BOb -- > wrote in message >...

> ad·vice <---<<<<
> con·tin·ue
<...>
> Is the subject of QUALITY teachers
> still open for discussion? <g>

Why serpently Unk.

Is it true that you plan to embrace a second career as
a Communication Arts teacher?

It might help pay for your new prop. My nose bleeds for
your inmates^H^H^H^H^H^Htudents though.

L&K,
Sydney

[Mark Hickey]

(Snowbird) wrote:

>Barnyard BOb -- > wrote in message >...
>
>> ad·vice <---<<<<
>> con·tin·ue
><...>
>> Is the subject of QUALITY teachers
>> still open for discussion? <g>
>
>Why serpently Unk.
>
>Is it true that you plan to embrace a second career as
>a Communication Arts teacher?
>
>It might help pay for your new prop. My nose bleeds for
>your inmates^H^H^H^H^H^Htudents though.

Funny - that thought caused my hemorrhoids to act up...

Mark Hickey

[Barnyard BOb --]

>> Is the subject of QUALITY teachers
>> still open for discussion? <g>
>
>Why serpently Unk.
>
>Is it true that you plan to embrace a second career as
>a Communication Arts teacher?
>
>It might help pay for your new prop. My nose bleeds for
>your inmates^H^H^H^H^H^Htudents though.
>
>L&K,
>Sydney
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Rodney Dangerfield and I get no repsect.


Barnyard BOb --

[Barnyard BOb --]

>>> Is the subject of QUALITY teachers
>>> still open for discussion? <g>
>>
>>Why serpently Unk.
>>
>>Is it true that you plan to embrace a second career as
>>a Communication Arts teacher?
>>
>>It might help pay for your new prop. My nose bleeds for
>>your inmates^H^H^H^H^H^Htudents though.
>
>Funny - that thought caused my hemorrhoids to act up...
>
>Mark Hickey
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Like I said...
No respect.


Barnyard BOb --

[Frederick Wilson]

Corrie,

Thanks for the reply.

I took a look at your website. It was great as well. I admire you and your
simple acceptance of turning 43 with a new baby.

Although I am only 32, you and I have a great many things in life in common.
My wife returns to school next July for a teaching degree. I am struggling
on the garage thing. My roof sure could use some work, but there is no
reason to do that because I need to tear into it to attach the garage. Gotta
have the new master bedroom because of the baby. I have 4 kids too but my
oldest son lives with my ex-

I am also toying with the thought of returning to Active Duty Army and out
of the National Guard. There is a lot more pay there than my civilian job.
This thought is still in its infancy. Probably will not happen because I
like my current wife. (Went to Korea for a year and lost my first wife).

And on and on.

Anyway, you live in WI. Yea it does get cold up there.

Once again, Thanks for the web site. I guess I need to put together my 5
year plan.

Fred
"Corrie" > wrote in message
om...
> Glad to know I'm not alone. New baby (child #4) arrived two months
> ago. Wife just started nursing school. Also planning to add an
> addition - need the extra dining-room space downstairs and bedroom
> space upstairs. I'm not on military standby, but I do moonlight at a
> tech college teaching the nights my wife isn't at school.
>
> I read the AS&S catalog in the can for downtime. I've picked up some
> plans, am studying them, making plans to visit local builders, may
> start on a scale model for practice and inspiration. Nothing wrong
> with spending a year doing research. But the real kicker is that we
> don't have a garage built - whoops, scuse me, that's the SHOP that's
> not built yet. I'll let the wife park the van in part of it.
>
> Seriously, the key is to be making progress on the most important
> things, however you define those things. To everything there is a
> season. And slow progress is still progress.
>
> http://www.itasca.net/~corrie/homebuilt_plane_blog.htm
>
>
>
>
> "Frederick Wilson" > wrote in message
news:<EOU1b.182903$Oz4.48809@rwcrnsc54>...
> > Well folks I am struggling here. I know what I want to build but I am
having
> > trouble justifing starting the project. This is what I have going on.
New
> > baby coming in January (I'm excited). Trying to complete the new master
> > bedroom (Make room for new baby). Going to school. And am a national
guard
> > member on active duty. I try to justify my not starting the project
because
> > my plate is full and because I have not gotten my two car garage/hanger
> > built.
> >
> > I have read in several places how folks started their project in
apartments
> > and via other means.
> >
> > Am I a loser, procrastintor, or do I really have a full plate?
> >
> > Fred

[Model Flyer]

"Barnyard BOb --" > wrote in message
...
>
> >>Is it true that you plan to embrace a second career as
> >>Sydney
> >+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >
> >Rodney Dangerfield and I get no repsect.
> . ^^^^^^
>
> Errr....
>
> RESPECT
> RESPECT
> RESPECT
> RESPECT
> RESPECT
>
> Do you hear me Spell Police?
>

Na, I'm not going to rise to that one, let Microspend spell checker
do it for you. I read you appeal and happily read it as respect. The
human brain is well able to quickly sort out what is intended when
the correct letters are used, it's only computers that are stupid
unough not to understand.:-)
--

..
--
Cheers,
Jonathan Lowe
modelflyer at antispam dot net

Antispam trap in place


>
> Barnyard BOb --
>

[Model Flyer]

> >Am I a loser, procrastintor, or do I really have a full plate?
> >
> >Fred
> >
> >
>
> Fred,
>
> I hate to put it this way but if you have to ask, you probably
should wait. If
> you do decide to go forward, set aside one night or one day of the
weekend as a
> commitment to the project and stick to it. Just remember, it is
going to take
> a long time.
>

Bob, I'm interested in build one of the many quick build kits, Jabriu
etc, however, if I do buy a kit it would become my latest obsession
and I'd never get anything else done until it's finished. That's way
it was with computers then printers, so none of the household jobs
ever get done. I tried setting aside one day per week to get the
house repairs done, but that never worked as more printers came in
for repair.:-(
--

..
--
Cheers,
Jonathan Lowe
modelflyer at antispam dot net

Antispam trap in place


>
>
>
> Bob Reed
> www.kisbuild.r-a-reed-assoc.com (KIS Builders Site)
> KIS Cruiser in progress...Slow but steady progress....
>
> "Ladies and Gentlemen, take my advice,
> pull down your pants and Slide on the Ice!"
> (M.A.S.H. Sidney Freedman)
>

[Warren & Nancy]

Barnyard BOb -- wrote:

> I only duel and get hammered with..... MUZZLELOADER.
>
>

And it only took 2 eight ounce cups full to put him down for the count!

Warren

[Morgans]

> >
> >Rodney Dangerfield and I get no repsect.
> . ^^^^^^
>
> Errr....
>
> RESPECT
> RESPECT
> RESPECT
> RESPECT
> RESPECT
>
> Do you hear me Spell Police?
>
>
> Barnyard BOb --
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Only one thing better than correcting someone else's spelling.

Watching someone else jump to correct their own! :-).

Jim in NC

[Rich Ahrens]

Barnyard BOb -- wrote:
>>>Is it true that you plan to embrace a second career as
>>>a Communication Arts teacher?
>>>
>>>It might help pay for your new prop. My nose bleeds for
>>>your inmates^H^H^H^H^H^Htudents though.
>>>
>>>L&K,
>>>Sydney
>>
>>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>
>>Rodney Dangerfield and I get no repsect.
>
> . ^^^^^^
>
> Errr....
>
> RESPECT
> RESPECT
> RESPECT
> RESPECT
> RESPECT
>
> Do you hear me Spell Police?

No, but I'm hearing a faint echo of Aretha in the distance...

[Barnyard BOb --]

On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 08:28:45 -0400, "Morgans" >
wrote:

>> >
>> >Rodney Dangerfield and I get no repsect.
>> . ^^^^^^
>>
>> Errr....
>>
>> RESPECT
>> RESPECT
>> RESPECT
>> RESPECT
>> RESPECT
>>
>> Do you hear me Spell Police?
>>
>>
>> Barnyard BOb --
>$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
>
>Only one thing better than correcting someone else's spelling.
>
>Watching someone else jump to correct their own! :-).
>
>Jim in NC
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Yeah....
Bear in mind, I'm smart enough to know
when I've made a mistake and big enough
to admit it.

When did you last demonstrate either.? 8-D


Barnyard BOb --

[RobertR237]

In article >, Barnyard BOb --
> writes:

>
>Rodney Dangerfield and I get no repsect.
>
>
>Barnyard BOb --
>
>

But at least Rodney is funny! ;-))))))))))


Bob Reed
www.kisbuild.r-a-reed-assoc.com (KIS Builders Site)
KIS Cruiser in progress...Slow but steady progress....

"Ladies and Gentlemen, take my advice,
pull down your pants and Slide on the Ice!"
(M.A.S.H. Sidney Freedman)

[Russell Kent]

Barnyard BOb -- wrote:

> Rodney Dangerfield and I get no repsect.

Yeah, but rumor has it that at least Rodney deserves some.

Russell Kent

[Robert Bonomi]

In article >,
Corrie > wrote:
>Glad to know I'm not alone. New baby (child #4) arrived two months
>ago. Wife just started nursing school.

I got only -that- far into the story, and WAITAMINNUT! hit me.

_fourth_ child, and only *now* taking nursing lessons ???


<*grin*>

[Barnyard BOb --]

>Barnyard BOb -- wrote:
>
>> Rodney Dangerfield and I get no repsect.
>
>Yeah, but rumor has it that at least Rodney deserves some.
>
>Russell Kent
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

<choke>



Barnyard BOb --

[Ernest Christley]

Corrie wrote:
> Glad to know I'm not alone. New baby (child #4) arrived two months
> ago. Wife just started nursing school. Also planning to add an
> addition - need the extra dining-room space downstairs and bedroom
> space upstairs. I'm not on military standby, but I do moonlight at a
> tech college teaching the nights my wife isn't at school.
>
> I read the AS&S catalog in the can for downtime. I've picked up some
> plans, am studying them, making plans to visit local builders, may
> start on a scale model for practice and inspiration. Nothing wrong
> with spending a year doing research. But the real kicker is that we
> don't have a garage built - whoops, scuse me, that's the SHOP that's
> not built yet. I'll let the wife park the van in part of it.
>
> Seriously, the key is to be making progress on the most important
> things, however you define those things. To everything there is a
> season. And slow progress is still progress.
>

Something I just started doing, but I wish I had done BEFORE I started
building. Go to www.ptc.com and get Pro/DESIGNER. It's a free 3D CAD
program. Go through the tutorial and then start putting the plane of
your dreams into the program. It goes fairly quickly once you get the
hang of it. Only tool needed for this phase is a computer, very little
space requirements and being able to flip the thing around to look at it
from odd angles is extremely illuminating.


--
----Because I can----
http://www.ernest.isa-geek.org/
------------------------

[Corrie]

Ernest Christley > wrote in message >...
> Something I just started doing, but I wish I had done BEFORE I started
> building. Go to www.ptc.com and get Pro/DESIGNER. It's a free 3D CAD
> program. Go through the tutorial and then start putting the plane of
> your dreams into the program. It goes fairly quickly once you get the
> hang of it. Only tool needed for this phase is a computer, very little
> space requirements and being able to flip the thing around to look at it
> from odd angles is extremely illuminating.

Is that Pro/DESKTOP? Didn't see a Pro/DESIGNER.

[RobertR237]

In article >, Barnyard BOb --
> writes:

>
>>>Rodney Dangerfield and I get no repsect.
>>>
>>>
>>>Barnyard BOb --
>>>
>>>
>>
>>But at least Rodney is funny! ;-))))))))))
>>
>>
>>Bob Reed
>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>If I DUMBED my stuff down where
>you could comprehend it......
>
>It would be at least as funny to you. <g>
>
>
>Barnyard BOb -- Don Rickles is my hero
>
>

<BFG>

We could never have guessed that.


Bob Reed
www.kisbuild.r-a-reed-assoc.com (KIS Builders Site)
KIS Cruiser in progress...Slow but steady progress....

"Ladies and Gentlemen, take my advice,
pull down your pants and Slide on the Ice!"
(M.A.S.H. Sidney Freedman)

[Ernest Christley]

Corrie wrote:
> Ernest Christley > wrote in message >...
>
>>Something I just started doing, but I wish I had done BEFORE I started
>>building. Go to www.ptc.com and get Pro/DESIGNER. It's a free 3D CAD
>>program. Go through the tutorial and then start putting the plane of
>>your dreams into the program. It goes fairly quickly once you get the
>>hang of it. Only tool needed for this phase is a computer, very little
>>space requirements and being able to flip the thing around to look at it
>>from odd angles is extremely illuminating.
>
>
> Is that Pro/DESKTOP? Didn't see a Pro/DESIGNER.

Check the "free downloads" link on the "products" page.

Aah..hell. Here ya' go.

http://www.ptc.com/community/free_downloads.htm

--
----Because I can----
http://www.ernest.isa-geek.org/
------------------------

[Frederick Wilson]

Still don't see Pro/DESIGNER

"Ernest Christley" > wrote in message
. com...
> Corrie wrote:
> > Ernest Christley > wrote in message
>...
> >
> >>Something I just started doing, but I wish I had done BEFORE I started
> >>building. Go to www.ptc.com and get Pro/DESIGNER. It's a free 3D CAD
> >>program. Go through the tutorial and then start putting the plane of
> >>your dreams into the program. It goes fairly quickly once you get the
> >>hang of it. Only tool needed for this phase is a computer, very little
> >>space requirements and being able to flip the thing around to look at it
> >>from odd angles is extremely illuminating.
> >
> >
> > Is that Pro/DESKTOP? Didn't see a Pro/DESIGNER.
>
> Check the "free downloads" link on the "products" page.
>
> Aah..hell. Here ya' go.
>
> http://www.ptc.com/community/free_downloads.htm
>
> --
> ----Because I can----
> http://www.ernest.isa-geek.org/
> ------------------------
>

[Mark Hickey]

"Model Flyer" > wrote:

>... if I do buy a kit it would become my latest obsession
>and I'd never get anything else done until it's finished.

I'm confused... you make it sound like that's a problem...
<g>

Mark Hickey

[Corrie]

Ernest Christley > wrote in message >...

> > Is that Pro/DESKTOP? Didn't see a Pro/DESIGNER.
> Check the "free downloads" link on the "products" page.
> Aah..hell. Here ya' go.
> http://www.ptc.com/community/free_downloads.htm

Free Software
AutobuildZ for Pro/ENGINEER
A plug-in application for Pro/ENGINEER Wildfire that allows you to
create parametric, feature-based 3D models from 2D drawings.

Pro/DESKTOP Express
This is a 3D CAD package developed specifically for engineers and
designers who do not need the full functionality of Pro/ENGINEER.

PTCstat for SysAdmins
Built on Perl and Java, PTCstat helps you monitor your PTC licenses
dynamically over the web. Download and configure for your own license
monitoring. Please review the “readme” document for setup
instructions.

ProductView Express
A plug-in for your Web browser that enables the viewing and
manipulation of Pro/ENGINEER parts, assemblies and drawings.

Pro/ENGINEER CAD Manager
This powerful tool adds a menu item to Pro/ENGINEER which seamlessly
integrates Pro/ENGINEER and Pro/COLLABORATE

Pro/ENGINEER Routed Systems Designer Lite
Creates the rich breadth of schematic diagrams required for many
disciplines and industries, and are optimized to drive the 3D cable
and pipe routing in Pro/ENGINEER. Routed Systems Designer Lite, a
functionality-limited version, is being provided to many Pro/ENGINEER
customers on active maintenance at no charge.

Software Updates
PTC Technical Support provides an electronic service to either order
on CD, or electronically download, software updates without calling
Technical Support. A ptc.com account is required to access the updates
page and a customer number is required to order or download.


Free Downloads
Innovation Ovation Screensaver (zip, 6.5 MB)
You applauded the engineers; now download the screensaver.

ScreenThemes
Download these cool images of the winners and semifinalists of the PTC
Awards design competition.

[RobertR237]

In article >, "Model Flyer"
> writes:

>>
>
>Bob, I'm interested in build one of the many quick build kits, Jabriu
>etc, however, if I do buy a kit it would become my latest obsession
>and I'd never get anything else done until it's finished. That's way
>it was with computers then printers, so none of the household jobs
>ever get done. I tried setting aside one day per week to get the
>house repairs done, but that never worked as more printers came in
>for repair.:-(
>--
>
>.
>--
>Cheers,
>Jonathan Lowe
>modelflyer at antispam dot net
>

Sounds like a prescription for divorce! Even the quick build kits are still
quite an undertaking. Yes, the quick builds do shorten the time required for
assembling the airframe but that is only part of the building process. You
still have all the wiring, finishing, engine, and other componets to complete.
The best and fastest build time will still be in something in the order of 500
hours or more depending on your adhearing to the plans and not doing any
modifications.

Understand and plan for what you are getting into. If you are still upto the
task, go for it.


Bob Reed
www.kisbuild.r-a-reed-assoc.com (KIS Builders Site)
KIS Cruiser in progress...Slow but steady progress....

"Ladies and Gentlemen, take my advice,
pull down your pants and Slide on the Ice!"
(M.A.S.H. Sidney Freedman)

[[email protected]]

On 26 Aug 2003 14:34:20 GMT, (RobertR237)
wrote:

:
:Sounds like a prescription for divorce! Even the quick build kits are still
:quite an undertaking. Yes, the quick builds do shorten the time required for
:assembling the airframe but that is only part of the building process. You
:still have all the wiring, finishing, engine, and other componets to complete.
:The best and fastest build time will still be in something in the order of 500
:hours or more depending on your adhearing to the plans and not doing any
:modifications.

There are a few ultralight and microlight (I know that's not a legal
category in the US but it's a good description) aircraft that take
less than 500 hours. A neighbor of mine built a CGS Hawk in 3 weeks
of steady work, probably 60 hours a week or so.

[Model Flyer]

"Mark Hickey" > wrote in message
...
> "Model Flyer" > wrote:
>
> >... if I do buy a kit it would become my latest obsession
> >and I'd never get anything else done until it's finished.
>
> I'm confused... you make it sound like that's a problem...
> <g>

Flying requires an income, if building a kit became an obsession when
would I ever repair printers and computers etc?:-(
--

..
--
Cheers,
Jonathan Lowe
modelflyer at antispam dot net

Antispam trap in place



>
> Mark Hickey
>

[Corky Scott]

On Sat, 23 Aug 2003 22:12:13 -0400, "Morgans" >
wrote:

>
>"Frederick Wilson" > wrote in message
>news:EOU1b.182903$Oz4.48809@rwcrnsc54...
>> Well folks I am struggling here. I know what I want to build but I am
>having
>> trouble justifing starting the project. This is what I have going on. New
>> baby coming in January (I'm excited). Trying to complete the new master
>> bedroom (Make room for new baby). Going to school. And am a national guard
>> member on active duty. I try to justify my not starting the project
>because
>> my plate is full and because I have not gotten my two car garage/hanger
>> built.
>>
>> I have read in several places how folks started their project in
>apartments
>> and via other means.
>>
>> Am I a loser, procrastintor, or do I really have a full plate?
>>
>> Fred
>>
>>
>Sounds like plenty, right now.
>
>I would say that you should do the things you need to do around the house,
>before you get started on your project. That is the advise that will make
>continueing a married relationship possible. Plus, If you get caught up
>with the other stuff, you can devote more uninterrupted time to your
>project.
>
>I am at the same stage now, in a way.
>--
>Jim in NC

I agree with Jim. Building an airplane is a lot of fun, but your
family is your life and responsibility. Take care of them first.

Corky Scott

PS, you aren't a looser for thinking about them.

[George A. Graham]

On Sun, 24 Aug 2003, Frederick Wilson wrote:
> Am I a loser, procrastintor, or do I really have a full plate?

I say, do what you want.

You don't need to give your life over to aircraft production,
just make a little bit when you can. I did that and have been flying
for five years now.

Your family can still come first, but you don't need to watch TV
with them to be a good Dad.

Keep us posted of your progress please.

George Graham
RX-7 Powered Graham-EZ, N4449E
Homepage <http://bfn.org/~ca266>

[Corrie]

> Flying requires an income, if building a kit became an obsession when
> would I ever repair printers and computers etc?:-(

While waiting for the glue to dry, of course!