Funny Scammer

[Steve Foley[_2_]]

I just received the following email in response to an ad I posted on R.A.M.:

>From: Elle Walken ]
>Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 10:14 AM
>To: Steve Foley
>Subject: Payment Schedule 1966 Piper Cherokee 140 $27,000
>
>Thanks for your mail,
>
> I really apreciate your swift response and am peased with your asking
> price and also with the present condition..However,concerning >the payment
> and shipping arrangment..i will like to deposit a sum of $5000 via a
> certified check drwan united state..
>
>As soon as you confirm the receipt of my payment receive i will instruct my
>reputable shipping agent to come over to your place for the >inspection of
>the car .. when he's coming we will bring the remaing funds in cash or
>certified check to balance your sale price..So,i will >urge you to mail me
>back with all the necessary information below in order for me to issue out
>the deposit such as :-
>
>Full Name :-
>Full contact Address :-
>All contact Number's :-
>
>I will be glad to hear back from you with all the necessary details i asked
>from you.
>
>Regards,


I'd be curious to see who shows up for the 'inspection of the car'.

[Paul Tomblin]

In a previous article, "Steve Foley" > said:
>I just received the following email in response to an ad I posted on R.A.M.:
>> and shipping arrangment..i will like to deposit a sum of $5000 via a
>> certified check drwan united state..
>
>I'd be curious to see who shows up for the 'inspection of the car'.

They won't. They'll email you to say that they decided not to go ahead,
and please refund the deposit. It will all be carefully timed so that
your bank won't discover that the certified check is a fake until you've
sent these people back a non-fake $5,000.


--
Paul Tomblin > http://blog.xcski.com/
"God be between you and harm, in all the empty places that you must walk"

[Steve Foley[_2_]]

"Paul Tomblin" > wrote in message
...
> In a previous article, "Steve Foley" > said:
>>I just received the following email in response to an ad I posted on
>>R.A.M.:
>>> and shipping arrangment..i will like to deposit a sum of $5000 via a
>>> certified check drwan united state..
>>
>>I'd be curious to see who shows up for the 'inspection of the car'.
>
> They won't. They'll email you to say that they decided not to go ahead,
> and please refund the deposit. It will all be carefully timed so that
> your bank won't discover that the certified check is a fake until you've
> sent these people back a non-fake $5,000.

Interesting twist.

They said (or tried to - spelling was bad) that the check would be drawn on
a US bank. Is the check completely bogus, or do they use someone else's
account number on it?

In any event, if I were stupid enough to fall for this, I would not be
refunding a deposit. What is the point of accepting a deposit if you're just
going to give it back?

[Shirl]

"Steve Foley" > wrote:

> I just received the following email in response to an ad I posted on R.A.M.:
>
> >From: Elle Walken ]
> >Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 10:14 AM
> >To: Steve Foley
> >Subject: Payment Schedule 1966 Piper Cherokee 140 $27,000
> >
> >Thanks for your mail,
> >
> > I really apreciate your swift response and am peased with your asking
> > price and also with the present condition..However,concerning >the payment
> > and shipping arrangment..i will like to deposit a sum of $5000 via a
> > certified check drwan united state..
> >
> >As soon as you confirm the receipt of my payment receive i will instruct my
> >reputable shipping agent to come over to your place for the >inspection of
> >the car .. when he's coming we will bring the remaing funds in cash or
> >certified check to balance your sale price..So,i will >urge you to mail me
> >back with all the necessary information below in order for me to issue out
> >the deposit such as :-
> >
> >Full Name :-
> >Full contact Address :-
> >All contact Number's :-
> >
> >I will be glad to hear back from you with all the necessary details i asked
> >from you.
> >
> >Regards,
>
> I'd be curious to see who shows up for the 'inspection of the car'.

Those spammer/scammers are present on all the for-sale groups. I got the
same email, almost verbatim, after posting a couple of different ads on
Craig's List, and daughter in another state said she got the same
response too ... all saying "hey no problem with the price, but send me
all your pertinent info so I can issue you a certified check." Yeah,
right!

[Mike Isaksen]

Cool,... just tell them to make it out to "CASH" and give em a PO Box.

"Steve Foley" wrote ...
>I just received the following email in response to an ad I posted on
>R.A.M.:

> ..i will like to deposit a sum of $5000 via a certified check drwan united
> state..

[Ken Finney]

"Mike Isaksen" > wrote in message
news:S5oui.7505$CE4.7119@trndny03...
> Cool,... just tell them to make it out to "CASH" and give em a PO Box.
>
> "Steve Foley" wrote ...
>>I just received the following email in response to an ad I posted on
>>R.A.M.:
>
>> ..i will like to deposit a sum of $5000 via a certified check drwan
>> united state..
>
>

I've got a neighbor that almost got scammed. The check was on a good
account, and the signature was valid. The problem was that the check number
had previously been cleared and the payee and cancellation information
"washed off". These people are good. And now that magnetic ink is widely
available, will get even better.

[S Green]

"Steve Foley" > wrote in message
...
> "Paul Tomblin" > wrote in message
> ...
>> In a previous article, "Steve Foley" > said:
>>>I just received the following email in response to an ad I posted on
>>>R.A.M.:
>>>> and shipping arrangment..i will like to deposit a sum of $5000 via a
>>>> certified check drwan united state..
>>>
>>>I'd be curious to see who shows up for the 'inspection of the car'.
>>
>> They won't. They'll email you to say that they decided not to go ahead,
>> and please refund the deposit. It will all be carefully timed so that
>> your bank won't discover that the certified check is a fake until you've
>> sent these people back a non-fake $5,000.
>
> Interesting twist.
>
> They said (or tried to - spelling was bad) that the check would be drawn
> on a US bank. Is the check completely bogus, or do they use someone else's
> account number on it?
>
> In any event, if I were stupid enough to fall for this, I would not be
> refunding a deposit. What is the point of accepting a deposit if you're
> just going to give it back?

The other variant of the scam is to "overpay" for the goods. They ask you to
refund the overpayment in cash and take the goods and cash. It is
restricted to a couple of hundred $$ but its mounts up. They then sell the
goods to someone else and clean up.

[Steve Foley[_2_]]

"Ken Finney" > wrote in message
...

> "Mike Isaksen" > wrote in message
> news:S5oui.7505$CE4.7119@trndny03...
>> Cool,... just tell them to make it out to "CASH" and give em a PO Box.
>>
>> "Steve Foley" wrote ...
>>>I just received the following email in response to an ad I posted on
>>>R.A.M.:
>>
>>> ..i will like to deposit a sum of $5000 via a certified check drwan
>>> united state..
>>
>>
>
> I've got a neighbor that almost got scammed. The check was on a good
> account, and the signature was valid. The problem was that the check
> number had previously been cleared and the payee and cancellation
> information "washed off". These people are good. And now that magnetic
> ink is widely available, will get even better.
>

The signature may have looked 'good', but it must have been forged. Not too
tough with computers printing signed checks these days.

I wonder who would have been stuck, had your neighbor accepted and cashed
the check?

I had a checkbook stolen a few years back. I closed the account, but the
thief wrote Wal-Mart a check. It bounced, and Wal-Mart filed a complaint
against me. When the DA got ahold of it, they told me to sign an affidavit
stating the check was forged. Problem was they refused to show me the check.
With that scenario, I don't see how I would have gotten the money back from
Wal-Mart, had I not closed the account.

[Jim Burns[_2_]]

http://www.used-car-advisor.com/car-buyer-scam.htm

Another more deadly twist on this happened to a customer at our local bank.
In addition to sending the "excess funds" to the scammer, the seller was
talked into signing the title and mailing it to the scammer so he could have
his "associate insure the car while it was in storage at the original owners
location as the car would be picked up at a later date". Then the scammer
used the car title to obtain a title loan from a title loan company which he
defaulted on, turning the title of the car over to the bank for
repossession. The bank would then have to collect the car from "storage" at
the original owners location.

The owner lost the car plus the excess money that she sent the scammer.
Since then this scam has been listed on the websites of several states
attorneys general.

Jim

"Steve Foley" > wrote in message
...
> "Paul Tomblin" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In a previous article, "Steve Foley" > said:
> >>I just received the following email in response to an ad I posted on
> >>R.A.M.:
> >>> and shipping arrangment..i will like to deposit a sum of $5000 via a
> >>> certified check drwan united state..
> >>
> >>I'd be curious to see who shows up for the 'inspection of the car'.
> >
> > They won't. They'll email you to say that they decided not to go ahead,
> > and please refund the deposit. It will all be carefully timed so that
> > your bank won't discover that the certified check is a fake until you've
> > sent these people back a non-fake $5,000.
>
> Interesting twist.
>
> They said (or tried to - spelling was bad) that the check would be drawn
on
> a US bank. Is the check completely bogus, or do they use someone else's
> account number on it?
>
> In any event, if I were stupid enough to fall for this, I would not be
> refunding a deposit. What is the point of accepting a deposit if you're
just
> going to give it back?
>
>

[Jim Burns[_2_]]

My wife is the internal auditor at our local bank. She says the most common
method of fraud involving bank drafts is this type of fraud. The actual
paper that the draft is written on is either stolen or reproduced, the
account number is a valid account with adequate funds, the signature is
authentic but the bank draft number (check number) is a previously used
number. So when the bank cashing the draft calls the bank on which the
draft has been drawn for verification, they are informed that the account
number is valid, sufficient funds to cash the draft are in place, and the
account holders name is correct. Most tellers won't bother to give the
draft number to the drawing bank to double check whether or not it has been
used in the passed. By useing the "asssociate" to handle the transaction,
the scammer can claim they are innocent victims also. "What do you mean
somebody forged a fake bank draft on my account? I won't be charged will
I?" Or if the cashing bank doesn't catch the fraud the scammer can call
attention to it like "Hey Mr banker, you already drew the funds from my
account on that bank draft, I have a copy right here." The scammer assumes
a fake identity only as the "associate" when dealing with the victim, his ID
and relationship with his own bank remain secure.
Jim

"Steve Foley" > wrote in message
...
> "Ken Finney" > wrote in message
> ...
>
> > "Mike Isaksen" > wrote in message
> > news:S5oui.7505$CE4.7119@trndny03...
> >> Cool,... just tell them to make it out to "CASH" and give em a PO Box.
> >>
> >> "Steve Foley" wrote ...
> >>>I just received the following email in response to an ad I posted on
> >>>R.A.M.:
> >>
> >>> ..i will like to deposit a sum of $5000 via a certified check drwan
> >>> united state..
> >>
> >>
> >
> > I've got a neighbor that almost got scammed. The check was on a good
> > account, and the signature was valid. The problem was that the check
> > number had previously been cleared and the payee and cancellation
> > information "washed off". These people are good. And now that magnetic
> > ink is widely available, will get even better.
> >
>
> The signature may have looked 'good', but it must have been forged. Not
too
> tough with computers printing signed checks these days.
>
> I wonder who would have been stuck, had your neighbor accepted and cashed
> the check?
>
> I had a checkbook stolen a few years back. I closed the account, but the
> thief wrote Wal-Mart a check. It bounced, and Wal-Mart filed a complaint
> against me. When the DA got ahold of it, they told me to sign an affidavit
> stating the check was forged. Problem was they refused to show me the
check.
> With that scenario, I don't see how I would have gotten the money back
from
> Wal-Mart, had I not closed the account.
>
>

[Matt Barrow[_4_]]

"Jim Burns" > wrote in message
...
> http://www.used-car-advisor.com/car-buyer-scam.htm
>
> Another more deadly twist on this happened to a customer at our local
> bank.
> In addition to sending the "excess funds" to the scammer, the seller was
> talked into signing the title and mailing it to the scammer so he could
> have
> his "associate insure the car while it was in storage at the original
> owners
> location as the car would be picked up at a later date". Then the scammer
> used the car title to obtain a title loan from a title loan company which
> he
> defaulted on, turning the title of the car over to the bank for
> repossession. The bank would then have to collect the car from "storage"
> at
> the original owners location.
>
> The owner lost the car plus the excess money that she sent the scammer.
> Since then this scam has been listed on the websites of several states
> attorneys general.
>
> Jim

Interestingly enough, as common as this scam is, and as easy to track,
there's but a handful of prosecutions each year in the US.

[Tri-Pacer]

> Interestingly enough, as common as this scam is, and as easy to track,
> there's but a handful of prosecutions each year in the US.
I got such a bite when I was selling a transponder. As soon as I got an
e-mail saying a mistake had been made and a check had been issued for
thousands more than the selling price I told them to bug off. They persisted
and sent a very real looking money order. My bank issues this brand of money
order, so I took the phony money order and copies of all e-mail
correspondence to my bank. The manager could not tell the money order from
real. As far as I know the bank made no follow-up with the police.

Cheers:

Paul
N1431A
KPLU

[Kloudy via AviationKB.com]

Matt Barrow wrote:
>
>Interestingly enough, as common as this scam is, and as easy to track,
>there's but a handful of prosecutions each year in the US.

I had my debit card number stolen from a vendor employee in Disneyland and my
checking account emptied of $2800 for,

get this.....

Wal-Mart and Target gift cards.

The scumbags ordered 'em online in the span of 90 min. ( I know 'cuz the
detectives working on this were quite informative).
The thing is, the local law enforcement were able to track down where the
likely scum were by tracing several PO boxes and fake box owners to a final
resident in Duarte, CA.

LA County Sherriffs said they simply had little time to execute and arrest in
these cases. Bigger fish to fry, basically.
Really didn't matter. My bank covered the losses but goes to show ya how ID
theft prosecution goes.

--
Message posted via http://www.aviationkb.com

[Matt Barrow[_4_]]

"Tri-Pacer" > wrote in message
...
>
>> Interestingly enough, as common as this scam is, and as easy to track,
>> there's but a handful of prosecutions each year in the US.
> I got such a bite when I was selling a transponder. As soon as I got an
> e-mail saying a mistake had been made and a check had been issued for
> thousands more than the selling price I told them to bug off. They
> persisted and sent a very real looking money order. My bank issues this
> brand of money order, so I took the phony money order and copies of all
> e-mail correspondence to my bank. The manager could not tell the money
> order from real. As far as I know the bank made no follow-up with the
> police.
>
They don't want to admit their "paper" is that vulnerable.

Banks that suffer embezzlements often try their damnest to keep it on the
QT, mostly just firing the employee (if they haven't flown the coop already)
and eating the loss.

What price their facade?

[WAYNE]

On Aug 8, 1:47 pm, "Steve Foley" > wrote:
> I just received the following email in response to an ad I posted on R.A.M.:
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: Elle Walken ]
> >Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 10:14 AM
> >To: Steve Foley
> >Subject: Payment Schedule 1966 Piper Cherokee 140 $27,000
>
> >Thanks for your mail,
>
> > I really apreciate your swift response and am peased with your asking
> > price and also with the present condition..However,concerning >the payment
> > and shipping arrangment..i will like to deposit a sum of $5000 via a
> > certified check drwan united state..
>
> >As soon as you confirm the receipt of my payment receive i will instruct my
> >reputable shipping agent to come over to your place for the >inspection of
> >the car .. when he's coming we will bring the remaing funds in cash or
> >certified check to balance your sale price..So,i will >urge you to mail me
> >back with all the necessary information below in order for me to issue out
> >the deposit such as :-
>
> >Full Name :-
> >Full contact Address :-
> >All contact Number's :-
>
> >I will be glad to hear back from you with all the necessary details i asked
> >from you.
>
> >Regards,
>
> I'd be curious to see who shows up for the 'inspection of the car'.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Do you have a photo of this car.

[Steve Foley[_2_]]

"WAYNE" > wrote in message
oups.com...


> Do you have a photo of this car.


The photos are here:

http://n6480r.home.att.net

[C J Campbell[_1_]]

On 2007-08-09 05:24:35 -0700, "Steve Foley" > said:

> "WAYNE" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
>
>
>> Do you have a photo of this car.
>
>
> The photos are here:
>
> http://n6480r.home.att.net

Nice car.
--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

[PPL-A (Canada)]

There'a a similar scam in use that targets photographers.

I have received several e-mails from people, always from overseas, but
often from countries where english is the native language. The poor
english is usually a dead give-away that it's a scam. The people do
their homework though. They claim to be traveling to my area to have
an important family event (anniversary, graduation, birthday), and
usually even give me a real location for the event ( a genuine school,
or event hall, church, etc.) that is near me. The plans are always
last minute (the event is usually less than a month away), and they
want to send me a cheque or bank draft (usually claiming that price is
not an object because of the late date and the importance of the event
to them) for my FULL FEE. They just want "all of my details" (some
have even been so bold as to request my bank information so they can
make a "direct deposit") so they can forward whatever amount I want
right away.

Of course if the photographer (many photogs have been burned in this
way) replies, they might have begun the process of have having their
identity stolen, or they might receive the financial instrument as
promised. Of course the event will be cancelled, and a refund will be
requested in short order ... and if the photographer is naive enough
to send a refund right away ... TOASTED (the original instrument is a
forgery, or stolen), even if they have a policy of keeping some small
amount as a non-refundable deposit.

The Spanish Prisoner (sort of ... the movie of the same name is really
pretty good if you haven't seen it!) ... most photographers aren't
used to being paid in full ahead of time, but it surprises me to read
that this thing is still working today on some shooters ... greed is a
powerful weapon.