Any Ideas on Turning off the Spammer? [Archive]

Larry Dighera

August 13th 07, 03:12 PM

On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 07:01:00 -0400, "Kyle Boatright"
> wrote in
>:

>I'm seeing a huge number of spam postings in this group. I'm sure they are
>from a bot, but since the address keeps switching, I don't know how to block
>the messages in OE.
>
>Suggestions?
>

It would seem that the rec.aviation.piloting newsgroup, like many
other newsgroups, is being targeted for a "sporge" flood. In this
first flood, the articles were injected into Usenet from 13:30 to
11:21 (local), about ten hours. It is unclear to me at this time why
this is occurring, but it may be more than a malicious prank. ...

While I have not yet found a method of filtering out the sporge
articles, I have found some promising leads:

Each article is crossposted to the sci.crypt newsgroup.

The 'Path:' header field always contains:
news.isoc.lu!news.grnet.gr

The 'Subject:' header field always begins with a lower-case letter

Perhaps filters can be successfully written to exploit these
consistencies.

My fear is that newsgroup subscribers who are unable to filter out the
sporge articles may become so frustrated as to discontinue to
participate in newsgroup discussion in the future.

Tom Conner

August 13th 07, 03:29 PM

"Dan Luke" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Kyle Boatright" wrote:
>
> > I'm seeing a huge number of spam postings in this group. I'm sure they
are
> > from a bot, but since the address keeps switching, I don't know how to
block
> > the messages in OE.
> >
> > Suggestions?
>
> Change your news service provider?
>
> Supernews is apparently filtering it all; I'm not seeing it.

Supernews could be the spammer. Someone posted last week that this group
was scheduled for a sporge flood and Supernews could filter it. Great
marketing technique.

Dudley Henriques[_2_]

August 13th 07, 03:34 PM

Must be just me, but I never have one iota of trouble with these
"issues" and can't figure out why people seem to be so bothered by them.
I've always used forums by scrolling through headers until finding
something I decided from that header was something I might want to read
or answer. If the header was suspect or didn't pique my interest, I just
keep scrolling on down. No biggie at all.
Trolls, idiots, morons, and Mensa dropouts will always be a part of any
Usenet forum. These things are so unimportant to me and take so little
time to wade through that I just accept them as part of the "game" and
don't bother even using filters.
Anyone looking for the "perfect" news reader or an answer for every
unpleasant aspect they find on a Usenet forum will in my opinion find
their Usenet experience very frustrating.
FWIW, I just tell people to read the headers, use the scroll wheel, and
stay loose on Usenet. Enjoy the good, and just deal with the bad.
Personally, I have absolutely no trouble at all dealing with Usenet, and
am always in awe of all the fuss about filtering :-))
All this being said, I'm not trying to put anyone down with this post.
I realize this is just me and the way I deal with things, and I respect
everyone else doing whatever they feel they have to do to deal with Usenet.
Dudley Henriques

Larry Dighera wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 07:01:00 -0400, "Kyle Boatright"
> > wrote in
> >:
>
>> I'm seeing a huge number of spam postings in this group. I'm sure they are
>>from a bot, but since the address keeps switching, I don't know how to block
>> the messages in OE.
>>
>> Suggestions?
>>
>
> It would seem that the rec.aviation.piloting newsgroup, like many
> other newsgroups, is being targeted for a "sporge" flood. In this
> first flood, the articles were injected into Usenet from 13:30 to
> 11:21 (local), about ten hours. It is unclear to me at this time why
> this is occurring, but it may be more than a malicious prank. ...
>
> While I have not yet found a method of filtering out the sporge
> articles, I have found some promising leads:
>
> Each article is crossposted to the sci.crypt newsgroup.
>
> The 'Path:' header field always contains:
> news.isoc.lu!news.grnet.gr
>
> The 'Subject:' header field always begins with a lower-case letter
>
> Perhaps filters can be successfully written to exploit these
> consistencies.
>
> My fear is that newsgroup subscribers who are unable to filter out the
> sporge articles may become so frustrated as to discontinue to
> participate in newsgroup discussion in the future.

--
Dudley Henriques
President Emeritus
International Fighter Pilots Fellowship

Larry Dighera

August 13th 07, 03:41 PM

On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 14:29:24 GMT, "Tom Conner" >
wrote in . net>:

>> Supernews is apparently filtering it all; I'm not seeing it.
>
>Supernews could be the spammer. Someone posted last week that this group
>was scheduled for a sporge flood and Supernews could filter it. Great
>marketing technique.

News.individual.net is apparently also successfully filtering the
sporge.

Larry Dighera

August 13th 07, 03:50 PM

>Larry Dighera wrote:
>> On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 07:01:00 -0400, "Kyle Boatright"
>> > wrote in
>> >:
>>
>>> I'm seeing a huge number of spam postings in this group. I'm sure they are
>>>from a bot, but since the address keeps switching, I don't know how to block
>>> the messages in OE.
>>>
>>> Suggestions?
>>>
>>
>> It would seem that the rec.aviation.piloting newsgroup, like many
>> other newsgroups, is being targeted for a "sporge" flood. In this
>> first flood, the articles were injected into Usenet from 13:30 to
>> 11:21 (local), about ten hours. It is unclear to me at this time why
>> this is occurring, but it may be more than a malicious prank. ...
>>
>> While I have not yet found a method of filtering out the sporge
>> articles, I have found some promising leads:
>>
>> Each article is crossposted to the sci.crypt newsgroup.
>>
>> The 'Path:' header field always contains:
>> news.isoc.lu!news.grnet.gr
>>
>> The 'Subject:' header field always begins with a lower-case letter
>>
>> Perhaps filters can be successfully written to exploit these
>> consistencies.
>>
>> My fear is that newsgroup subscribers who are unable to filter out the
>> sporge articles may become so frustrated as to discontinue to
>> participate in newsgroup discussion in the future.

On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 10:34:47 -0400, Dudley Henriques
> wrote in
>:
>
>Must be just me, but I never have one iota of trouble with these
>"issues" and can't figure out why people seem to be so bothered by them.
>I've always used forums by scrolling through headers until finding
>something I decided from that header was something I might want to read
>or answer. If the header was suspect or didn't pique my interest, I just
>keep scrolling on down. No biggie at all.

With a flood of articles like this, it's like looking for the
proverbial needle, isn't it? You have to read so many sporge headers,
that you give up trying to find legitimate articles.

>Trolls, idiots, morons, and Mensa dropouts will always be a part of any
>Usenet forum. These things are so unimportant to me and take so little
>time to wade through that I just accept them as part of the "game" and
>don't bother even using filters.

This is not about trolls; it's about a flood of junk articles drowning
out the legitimate articles.

>Anyone looking for the "perfect" news reader or an answer for every
>unpleasant aspect they find on a Usenet forum will in my opinion find
>their Usenet experience very frustrating.

It has been brought to my attention that Forte Agent 4.x will filter
on the 'Newsgroups:' header.

>FWIW, I just tell people to read the headers, use the scroll wheel, and
>stay loose on Usenet. Enjoy the good, and just deal with the bad.

That has always worked in the past, but there haven't been any sporge
floods in this newsgroup in the past.

>Personally, I have absolutely no trouble at all dealing with Usenet, and
>am always in awe of all the fuss about filtering :-))
>All this being said, I'm not trying to put anyone down with this post.
>I realize this is just me and the way I deal with things, and I respect
>everyone else doing whatever they feel they have to do to deal with Usenet.
>Dudley Henriques
>

It has been suggested that the free nfilter program will permit
filtering on any news header field to be used with any news reader:
http://www.nfilter.org/ . I haven't tried it yet.

[email protected]

August 13th 07, 03:58 PM

On 13 Aug, 15:34, Dudley Henriques > wrote:
> Must be just me, but I never have one iota of trouble with these
> "issues" and can't figure out why people seem to be so bothered by them.
> I've always used forums by scrolling through headers until finding
....
> Dudley Henriques

hmmm. sci.crypt got 18,000 messages on 10 May.
A _lot_ of scrolling.

http://netscan.research.microsoft.com/reportcard.aspx?tp=10&sd=5%2f31%2f2007&ng=sci.crypt

Still clearly the issue is not a show stopper here
at present.

Sadly microsoft have stopped this project now and 31 May
is the last day of data.

Dudley Henriques[_2_]

August 13th 07, 04:11 PM

Keep in mind I'm not taking a dig at anyone. This is just my way of
dealing with Usenet. If the situation changed as the poster below has
indicated by saying 18K posts have been spammed on one forum, I would
for sure be taking a close look at solving that in whatever way was needed.
DH

Larry Dighera wrote:
>> Larry Dighera wrote:
>>> On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 07:01:00 -0400, "Kyle Boatright"
>>> > wrote in
>>> >:
>>>
>>>> I'm seeing a huge number of spam postings in this group. I'm sure they are
>>> >from a bot, but since the address keeps switching, I don't know how to block
>>>> the messages in OE.
>>>>
>>>> Suggestions?
>>>>
>>> It would seem that the rec.aviation.piloting newsgroup, like many
>>> other newsgroups, is being targeted for a "sporge" flood. In this
>>> first flood, the articles were injected into Usenet from 13:30 to
>>> 11:21 (local), about ten hours. It is unclear to me at this time why
>>> this is occurring, but it may be more than a malicious prank. ...
>>>
>>> While I have not yet found a method of filtering out the sporge
>>> articles, I have found some promising leads:
>>>
>>> Each article is crossposted to the sci.crypt newsgroup.
>>>
>>> The 'Path:' header field always contains:
>>> news.isoc.lu!news.grnet.gr
>>>
>>> The 'Subject:' header field always begins with a lower-case letter
>>>
>>> Perhaps filters can be successfully written to exploit these
>>> consistencies.
>>>
>>> My fear is that newsgroup subscribers who are unable to filter out the
>>> sporge articles may become so frustrated as to discontinue to
>>> participate in newsgroup discussion in the future.
>
> On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 10:34:47 -0400, Dudley Henriques
> > wrote in
> >:
>> Must be just me, but I never have one iota of trouble with these
>> "issues" and can't figure out why people seem to be so bothered by them.
>> I've always used forums by scrolling through headers until finding
>> something I decided from that header was something I might want to read
>> or answer. If the header was suspect or didn't pique my interest, I just
>> keep scrolling on down. No biggie at all.
>
> With a flood of articles like this, it's like looking for the
> proverbial needle, isn't it? You have to read so many sporge headers,
> that you give up trying to find legitimate articles.
>
>> Trolls, idiots, morons, and Mensa dropouts will always be a part of any
>> Usenet forum. These things are so unimportant to me and take so little
>> time to wade through that I just accept them as part of the "game" and
>> don't bother even using filters.
>
> This is not about trolls; it's about a flood of junk articles drowning
> out the legitimate articles.
>
>> Anyone looking for the "perfect" news reader or an answer for every
>> unpleasant aspect they find on a Usenet forum will in my opinion find
>> their Usenet experience very frustrating.
>
> It has been brought to my attention that Forte Agent 4.x will filter
> on the 'Newsgroups:' header.
>
>> FWIW, I just tell people to read the headers, use the scroll wheel, and
>> stay loose on Usenet. Enjoy the good, and just deal with the bad.
>
> That has always worked in the past, but there haven't been any sporge
> floods in this newsgroup in the past.
>
>> Personally, I have absolutely no trouble at all dealing with Usenet, and
>> am always in awe of all the fuss about filtering :-))
>> All this being said, I'm not trying to put anyone down with this post.
>> I realize this is just me and the way I deal with things, and I respect
>> everyone else doing whatever they feel they have to do to deal with Usenet.
>> Dudley Henriques
>>
>
> It has been suggested that the free nfilter program will permit
> filtering on any news header field to be used with any news reader:
> http://www.nfilter.org/ . I haven't tried it yet.
>

--
Dudley Henriques
President Emeritus
International Fighter Pilots Fellowship

Dudley Henriques[_2_]

August 13th 07, 04:12 PM

18K would indeed indicate a closer look at the situation :-)
DH

wrote:
> On 13 Aug, 15:34, Dudley Henriques > wrote:
>> Must be just me, but I never have one iota of trouble with these
>> "issues" and can't figure out why people seem to be so bothered by them.
>> I've always used forums by scrolling through headers until finding
> ...
>> Dudley Henriques
>
> hmmm. sci.crypt got 18,000 messages on 10 May.
> A _lot_ of scrolling.
>
> http://netscan.research.microsoft.com/reportcard.aspx?tp=10&sd=5%2f31%2f2007&ng=sci.crypt
>
> Still clearly the issue is not a show stopper here
> at present.
>
> Sadly microsoft have stopped this project now and 31 May
> is the last day of data.
>

--
Dudley Henriques
President Emeritus
International Fighter Pilots Fellowship

Maxwell

August 13th 07, 04:14 PM

"Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
...
> 18K would indeed indicate a closer look at the situation :-)

How many have you receive here in the past 24 hours? I have seen around a
1000.

Dudley Henriques[_2_]

August 13th 07, 04:23 PM

I am showing about 10 continuous headers all scrambled so nothing
monumental here as yet.
DH

Maxwell wrote:
> "Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
> ...
>> 18K would indeed indicate a closer look at the situation :-)
>
> How many have you receive here in the past 24 hours? I have seen around a
> 1000.
>
>

--
Dudley Henriques
President Emeritus
International Fighter Pilots Fellowship

Dudley Henriques[_2_]

August 13th 07, 04:26 PM

One thing that might or might not be different about my reader is that
I'm using an IMac Intel instead of a PC and my newsreader is Thunderbird
for Mac.
Don't know if this matters or not but thought it might be pertinent to
someone in the know with these things.
DH

Maxwell wrote:
> "Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
> ...
>> 18K would indeed indicate a closer look at the situation :-)
>
> How many have you receive here in the past 24 hours? I have seen around a
> 1000.
>
>

--
Dudley Henriques
President Emeritus
International Fighter Pilots Fellowship

alexy

August 13th 07, 04:32 PM

Larry Dighera > wrote:

>It has been suggested that the free nfilter program will permit
>filtering on any news header field to be used with any news reader:
>http://www.nfilter.org/ . I haven't tried it yet.

Great little freeware program. I use it, primarily for another forum
frequently plagued by abusive posts, for which one user has written
filter files that he shares with the group. I didn't bother with it
for this little incident, but if it continued, it would be easy for me
to add a filter based on the forums to which it was cross posted.
E.g., in the other forum I mentioned, filters used include cross posts
to a couple of unrelated forums that some of the abusers hit in
tandem, as well as any post crosss-posted to more than 4 forums.
--
Alex -- Replace "nospam" with "mail" to reply by email. Checked infrequently.

Robert M. Gary

August 13th 07, 05:28 PM

On Aug 13, 4:01 am, "Kyle Boatright" > wrote:
> I'm seeing a huge number of spam postings in this group. I'm sure they are
> from a bot, but since the address keeps switching, I don't know how to block
> the messages in OE.
>
> Suggestions?

I've noticed that a lot of other groups are fullyl moderated. It
wouldn't be a bad idea to nominate 4 or 5 people (maybe from around
the world for 24x7 coverage) to approve posting.

-Robert

Gig 601XL Builder

August 13th 07, 05:33 PM

Robert M. Gary wrote:
> On Aug 13, 4:01 am, "Kyle Boatright" > wrote:
>> I'm seeing a huge number of spam postings in this group. I'm sure
>> they are from a bot, but since the address keeps switching, I don't
>> know how to block the messages in OE.
>>
>> Suggestions?
>
> I've noticed that a lot of other groups are fullyl moderated. It
> wouldn't be a bad idea to nominate 4 or 5 people (maybe from around
> the world for 24x7 coverage) to approve posting.
>
> -Robert

It's big job and a pain in the butt to both get in place and function under.

Larry Dighera

August 13th 07, 06:05 PM

On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 09:28:10 -0700, "Robert M. Gary"
> wrote in
om>:

>I've noticed that a lot of other groups are fullyl moderated. It
>wouldn't be a bad idea to nominate 4 or 5 people (maybe from around
>the world for 24x7 coverage) to approve posting.
>
>-Robert

Wouldn't it? What criteria would YOU use to reject articles?

Andrew Gideon[_2_]

August 13th 07, 06:12 PM

On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 14:12:10 +0000, Larry Dighera wrote:

> Perhaps filters can be successfully written to exploit these
> consistencies.

I had this done at the server level, and it was no big deal. Any message
which met the criteria we'd identified was locally canceled.

There was another header that was common. I don't recall it exactly, but
I think it was "NNTP-Posting-Host" or something like that.

> My fear is that newsgroup subscribers who are unable to filter out the
> sporge articles may become so frustrated as to discontinue to
> participate in newsgroup discussion in the future.

I suspect that this was more at attack on sci.crypt than
rec.aviation.piloting given the numbers involved. But your concern
remains a valid one.

- Andrew

Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]

August 13th 07, 06:18 PM

"Robert M. Gary" > wrote in
ups.com:

> On Aug 13, 4:01 am, "Kyle Boatright" > wrote:
>> I'm seeing a huge number of spam postings in this group. I'm sure
>> they are from a bot, but since the address keeps switching, I don't
>> know how to block the messages in OE.
>>
>> Suggestions?
>
> I've noticed that a lot of other groups are fullyl moderated. It
> wouldn't be a bad idea to nominate 4 or 5 people (maybe from around
> the world for 24x7 coverage) to approve posting.
>

You can't moderate this group. It has to be set up as moderated.
It's a really bad idea in any case.

Bertie

Peter Dohm

August 13th 07, 06:43 PM

"Maxwell" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
> ...
> > 18K would indeed indicate a closer look at the situation :-)
>
> How many have you receive here in the past 24 hours? I have seen around a
> 1000.
>
>
I probably got at least 100, but less than 200. Because this group consists
mainly of conversations, they are fairly easy to scroll through, highlight,
and delete. It is mildly irritating, but not a major inconvenience as of
this time--even in OE.

Peter

Doug Semler

August 13th 07, 06:44 PM

On Aug 13, 1:05 pm, Larry Dighera > wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 09:28:10 -0700, "Robert M. Gary"
> > wrote in
> om>:
>
> >I've noticed that a lot of other groups are fullyl moderated. It
> >wouldn't be a bad idea to nominate 4 or 5 people (maybe from around
> >the world for 24x7 coverage) to approve posting.
>
> >-Robert
>
> Wouldn't it? What criteria would YOU use to reject articles?

I know ONE criteria (criterium?) *I* would use <g>

Peter Dohm

August 13th 07, 06:53 PM

> It would seem that the rec.aviation.piloting newsgroup, like many
> other newsgroups, is being targeted for a "sporge" flood. In this
> first flood, the articles were injected into Usenet from 13:30 to
> 11:21 (local), about ten hours. It is unclear to me at this time why
> this is occurring, but it may be more than a malicious prank. ...
>
> While I have not yet found a method of filtering out the sporge
> articles, I have found some promising leads:
>
> Each article is crossposted to the sci.crypt newsgroup.
>
> The 'Path:' header field always contains:
> news.isoc.lu!news.grnet.gr
>
> The 'Subject:' header field always begins with a lower-case letter
>
Interesting series of observations.

The feature of the cross posted group (sci.script) is the only criteria that
appears to show promise in OE; however, it appears that the group must be
subscribed in order for the criteria to be entered in the Message Rules.

Unfortunately, sci.crypt does not appear to be carried on any server to
which I have known access. Therefore, I am not able to determine
experimentally whether the technique will work.

Fortunately, the "flood" has not reached a level which would mandate much
effort--it is currently only about as irritating as a resident troll.

Peter

Robert M. Gary

August 13th 07, 06:55 PM

On Aug 13, 4:01 am, "Kyle Boatright" > wrote:
> I'm seeing a huge number of spam postings in this group. I'm sure they are
> from a bot, but since the address keeps switching, I don't know how to block
> the messages in OE.
>
> Suggestions?

I don't understand what the purpose of the spammer is. How does he
profit by this?

-Robert

Dudley Henriques[_2_]

August 13th 07, 06:57 PM

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>
> You can't moderate this group. It has to be set up as moderated.
> It's a really bad idea in any case.
>
>
> Bertie

I enjoyed my one post ever to a moderated group. I think it was WW2
history or something like that.
Somebody posted a question asking for fuel tank information on the P51.
I answered the post with the information, and received a notice from the
"moderator" telling me that my answer wouldn't be posted as it was
irrelevant.
Never looked again for a moderated newsgroup since that moment.

--
Dudley Henriques
President Emeritus
International Fighter Pilots Fellowship

Dudley Henriques[_2_]

August 13th 07, 07:05 PM

Robert M. Gary wrote:
> On Aug 13, 4:01 am, "Kyle Boatright" > wrote:
>> I'm seeing a huge number of spam postings in this group. I'm sure they are
>> from a bot, but since the address keeps switching, I don't know how to block
>> the messages in OE.
>>
>> Suggestions?
>
> I don't understand what the purpose of the spammer is. How does he
> profit by this?
>
> -Robert
>

As far as I can tell, these people most likely get their kicks by
reading the responses to their efforts. If so, that would be classic
trolling. I don't see any other benefit but I'm open to suggestion from
the more psychologically qualified on the group. The actual answer might
very well be above my pay grade :-))

Dudley Henriques

Andrew Gideon[_2_]

August 13th 07, 07:22 PM

On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 13:57:53 -0400, Dudley Henriques wrote:

> and received a notice from the
> "moderator" telling me that my answer wouldn't be posted as it was
> irrelevant.

The moderator probably didn't understand what you wrote. That is one of
the major problems with moderators that try to be content-sensitive (not
all do this, BTW): they need to understand the content.

We've a moderated mailing list for our town. For most threads (what's a
good restaurant, where can I buy a dohickey, does anyone want to buy my
dohickey, etc), it's fine. And it does keep down the noise which might
cause some of the "lighter souls" to depart.

But the moment the issue becomes at all complex (municipal finance, land
use, etc.) and numbers or reference citations start to fly, most of the
moderators do a terrible job. It's common for a some of them to reject
postings as "not about our town" when they see references to articles
about those same issues being faces elsewhere; they don't even bother
reading the articles to see whether there's something to be applied
locally.

It's a pity, as I otherwise like the idea of extending our community into
online media.

- Andrew

Andrew Gideon[_2_]

August 13th 07, 07:22 PM

On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 10:55:47 -0700, Robert M. Gary wrote:

> How does he profit
> by this?

How does a vandal typically profit?

- Andrew

Martin X. Moleski, SJ

August 13th 07, 07:26 PM

On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 10:44:58 -0700, Doug Semler > wrote in
. com>:

>On Aug 13, 1:05 pm, Larry Dighera > wrote:
>> On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 09:28:10 -0700, "Robert M. Gary"
>> > wrote in
>> om>:
>>
>> >I've noticed that a lot of other groups are fullyl moderated. It
>> >wouldn't be a bad idea to nominate 4 or 5 people (maybe from around
>> >the world for 24x7 coverage) to approve posting.
>>
>> >-Robert
>>
>> Wouldn't it? What criteria would YOU use to reject articles?
>
>I know ONE criteria (criterium?) *I* would use <g>

Criterion for singular, criteria for plural.

Marty
--
Big-8 newsgroups: humanities.*, misc.*, news.*, rec.*, sci.*, soc.*, talk.*
See http://www.big-8.org for info on how to add or remove newsgroups.

Peter Dohm

August 13th 07, 07:30 PM

"Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
> >
> > You can't moderate this group. It has to be set up as moderated.
> > It's a really bad idea in any case.
> >
> >
> > Bertie
>
> I enjoyed my one post ever to a moderated group. I think it was WW2
> history or something like that.
> Somebody posted a question asking for fuel tank information on the P51.
> I answered the post with the information, and received a notice from the
> "moderator" telling me that my answer wouldn't be posted as it was
> irrelevant.
> Never looked again for a moderated newsgroup since that moment.
>
> --
> Dudley Henriques
> President Emeritus
> International Fighter Pilots Fellowship

That pretty much sums it up!

Peter

Larry Dighera

August 13th 07, 07:32 PM

On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 10:55:47 -0700, "Robert M. Gary"
> wrote in
. com>:

>I don't understand what the purpose of the spammer is. How does he
>profit by this?

It could be an ego issue: He demonstrates his power to disrupt
thousands of users. Or it could be a means of encoding messages
within multiple articles al la spread spectrum technique. Or
something else.

Larry Dighera

August 13th 07, 07:37 PM

On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 14:05:59 -0400, Dudley Henriques
> wrote in
>:

>As far as I can tell, these people most likely get their kicks by
>reading the responses to their efforts.

Are you able to provide any evidence that what you purport actually
occurs?

Gig 601XL Builder

August 13th 07, 07:58 PM

Larry Dighera wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 14:05:59 -0400, Dudley Henriques
> > wrote in
> >:
>
>> As far as I can tell, these people most likely get their kicks by
>> reading the responses to their efforts.
>
> Are you able to provide any evidence that what you purport actually
> occurs?

You ask that question right after you post this in the same thread? You got
anything to back that up?

Larry Dighera wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 10:55:47 -0700, "Robert M. Gary"
> > wrote in
> . com>:
>
>> I don't understand what the purpose of the spammer is. How does he
>> profit by this?
>
> It could be an ego issue: He demonstrates his power to disrupt
> thousands of users. Or it could be a means of encoding messages
> within multiple articles al la spread spectrum technique. Or
> something else.

Larry Dighera

August 13th 07, 08:27 PM

On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 13:58:10 -0500, "Gig 601XL Builder"
<wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net> wrote in
>:

>Larry Dighera wrote:
>> On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 14:05:59 -0400, Dudley Henriques
>> > wrote in
>> >:
>>
>>> As far as I can tell, these people most likely get their kicks by
>>> reading the responses to their efforts.
>>
>> Are you able to provide any evidence that what you purport actually
>> occurs?
>
>You ask that question right after you post this in the same thread? You got
>anything to back that up?
>

You may have failed to recognize the fact that Mr. Henriques said he
was able to tell how the sporger(s) got their kicks, while I merely
offered possibilities. There is a difference between the two types of
statements. One implies that there is some evidence that leads Mr.
Henriques to his conclusion. The other is merely my unsubstantiated
opinion reached by examining the facts.

If Mr. Henriques is able to provide some evidence that the sporger(s)
actually read the responses to their attacks, I'd like to see if it
provides any further clues to their identity.

Do you have anything constructive to add to this discussion?

>
>Larry Dighera wrote:
>> On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 10:55:47 -0700, "Robert M. Gary"
>> > wrote in
>> . com>:
>>
>>> I don't understand what the purpose of the spammer is. How does he
>>> profit by this?
>>
>> It could be an ego issue: He demonstrates his power to disrupt
>> thousands of users. Or it could be a means of encoding messages
>> within multiple articles al la spread spectrum technique. Or
>> something else.
>
>

Dudley Henriques[_2_]

August 13th 07, 08:30 PM

I'm sure what you are saying is correct, but not in this case. The
question was how much fuel the Mustang held in the main wing tanks. The
answer was simple and straight forward; 92 gals.
This particular "moderator" felt the entire post, question and answer,
was in his opinion not related to the forum's main topic which was WW2.
Since the 51 was a WW2 fighter, and it's fuel capacity could be directly
related to it's range and subsequently it's combat effectiveness, my
reasoning would be that the question was highly relevant to the forum.
Difference of opinion actually, but enough going against my grain of
what is on and off topic and in context that it was enough to cause me
to not wish further exposure to this environment.
Just went against my sense of logic and I tend to try and avoid things
that go against my sense of logic.
Dudley Henriques

Andrew Gideon wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 13:57:53 -0400, Dudley Henriques wrote:
>
>> and received a notice from the
>> "moderator" telling me that my answer wouldn't be posted as it was
>> irrelevant.
>
> The moderator probably didn't understand what you wrote. That is one of
> the major problems with moderators that try to be content-sensitive (not
> all do this, BTW): they need to understand the content.
>
> We've a moderated mailing list for our town. For most threads (what's a
> good restaurant, where can I buy a dohickey, does anyone want to buy my
> dohickey, etc), it's fine. And it does keep down the noise which might
> cause some of the "lighter souls" to depart.
>
> But the moment the issue becomes at all complex (municipal finance, land
> use, etc.) and numbers or reference citations start to fly, most of the
> moderators do a terrible job. It's common for a some of them to reject
> postings as "not about our town" when they see references to articles
> about those same issues being faces elsewhere; they don't even bother
> reading the articles to see whether there's something to be applied
> locally.
>
> It's a pity, as I otherwise like the idea of extending our community into
> online media.
>
> - Andrew
>

Dudley Henriques[_2_]

August 13th 07, 08:44 PM

Larry Dighera wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 14:05:59 -0400, Dudley Henriques
> > wrote in
> >:
>
>> As far as I can tell, these people most likely get their kicks by
>> reading the responses to their efforts.
>
> Are you able to provide any evidence that what you purport actually
> occurs?
>

Be advised that when I post a simple opinion, it's a simple opinion and
nothing else. If I'm quoting a fact, I'll give a source if asked.
I'm obviously not stating fact herea nd I'm not stating something that
requires backing up for you or anyone else for that matter.

Why do you think something someone says as a simple general comment
needs "evidence" that satisfies YOUR personal challenge?
Apparently you missed the preface; "AS far as I can tell". Is there
something about that you don't understand?
Dudley Henriques

Larry Dighera

August 13th 07, 09:04 PM

On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:44:05 -0400, Dudley Henriques
> wrote in
>:

>Apparently you missed the preface; "AS far as I can tell". Is there
>something about that you don't understand?

From what information were you doing the 'telling?'

Jim Logajan

August 13th 07, 09:11 PM

Andrew Gideon > wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 10:55:47 -0700, Robert M. Gary wrote:
>> How does he profit by this?
>
> How does a vandal typically profit?

About as much as a goth, I think.

;-)

Jim Logajan

August 13th 07, 09:15 PM

Dudley Henriques > wrote:
> I enjoyed my one post ever to a moderated group. I think it was WW2
> history or something like that.
> Somebody posted a question asking for fuel tank information on the P51.
> I answered the post with the information, and received a notice from the
> "moderator" telling me that my answer wouldn't be posted as it was
> irrelevant.
> Never looked again for a moderated newsgroup since that moment.

Having served (and still serving) as a moderator of a few groups, all I can
say is "Hey - I resemble those remarks!" :-)

(We're only in it for the money, power, and babes!)

Dudley Henriques[_2_]

August 13th 07, 09:26 PM

Hi Jim;

I'm sure, as you well know being a moderator yourself, that there are
lots of moderators out here that are motivated by charitable incentives.
They spend a great deal of time and effort trying to do a credible job
of keeping some semblance of order on their forums; much of it
unappreciated by many.
My experience was unfortunate. It did however turn me away from thinking
of moderators in a positive vein and more into the negative side of the
equation.
Who knows; I might give it another shot down the line.
But getting back to the initial topic of a moderator for this group;
I'll tell you in all honesty; with all the "personalities" we have on
this forum considering pilots, their diversified backgrounds and the
natural egos (mine not withstanding :-), I wouldn't want to take on that
job for all the tea in China :-))
Dudley Henriques

Jim Logajan wrote:
> Dudley Henriques > wrote:
>> I enjoyed my one post ever to a moderated group. I think it was WW2
>> history or something like that.
>> Somebody posted a question asking for fuel tank information on the P51.
>> I answered the post with the information, and received a notice from the
>> "moderator" telling me that my answer wouldn't be posted as it was
>> irrelevant.
>> Never looked again for a moderated newsgroup since that moment.
>
> Having served (and still serving) as a moderator of a few groups, all I can
> say is "Hey - I resemble those remarks!" :-)
>
> (We're only in it for the money, power, and babes!)

Dudley Henriques[_2_]

August 13th 07, 09:29 PM

Larry Dighera wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:44:05 -0400, Dudley Henriques
> > wrote in
> >:
>
>> Apparently you missed the preface; "AS far as I can tell". Is there
>> something about that you don't understand?
>
> From what information were you doing the 'telling?'

>

For Pete's sake Dighera; give it a rest will you? This is Usenet. Nobody
here gives a rat's ass what I think or what you think or what anyone
else thinks for that matter. Just post your opinions and stop bugging
people to "prove" this and "prove" that.
DH

alexy

August 13th 07, 09:34 PM

Testing a nfilter rule.
--
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C J Campbell[_1_]

August 13th 07, 09:46 PM

On 2007-08-13 04:01:00 -0700, "Kyle Boatright" > said:

> I'm seeing a huge number of spam postings in this group. I'm sure they are
> from a bot, but since the address keeps switching, I don't know how to block
> the messages in OE.
>
> Suggestions?

Ignore the sporgers. About half a dozen news groups that I subscribe to
got hit with sporge threats from someone purporting to be Supernews.
(Shame on Supernews if they were the ones who really made these
threats.) Only one news group had people post responses to the threat
-- rec.aviation.piloting. And that is the only news group that got
sporge flooded.

Get a clue, guys. The sporgers are harvesting your names from your
responses and using them for more sporge attacks. That is what sporgers
do. Next thing you know "Jay Honeck" will be posting 'the fat flings
west of the nile milk cows" on some random news group, just because he
replied to the original sporge threat.
--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

C J Campbell[_1_]

August 13th 07, 09:49 PM

On 2007-08-13 10:55:47 -0700, "Robert M. Gary" > said:

> On Aug 13, 4:01 am, "Kyle Boatright" > wrote:
>> I'm seeing a huge number of spam postings in this group. I'm sure they are
>> from a bot, but since the address keeps switching, I don't know how to block
>> the messages in OE.
>>
>> Suggestions?
>
> I don't understand what the purpose of the spammer is. How does he
> profit by this?
>
> -Robert

It is possible they want to push you into using news servers that
filter their attacks. Supernews, for example, might be behind this
attack. Either they, or someone claiming to be them, urged switching to
Supernews before the attack.

There are people who paint the "Mona Lisa." There are people who paint
mustaches on the "Mona Lisa." Sporgers are the latter.
--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

Martin X. Moleski, SJ

August 13th 07, 09:56 PM

On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 13:46:41 -0700, C J Campbell > wrote in
<2007081313464116807-christophercampbell@hotmailcom>:

>Ignore the sporgers. About half a dozen news groups that I subscribe to
>got hit with sporge threats from someone purporting to be Supernews.
>(Shame on Supernews if they were the ones who really made these
>threats.)

Which is more likely?

A. Someone with a resentment against Supernews uses their
name as part of a flood attack on sci.crypt.

B. Supernews, one of the largest and best news services
in existence, decided to sign its name to a flood attack
so that everyone would despise them.

I am a paying customer of Supernews and know which case
seems more likely to me.

Marty
--
Big-8 newsgroups: humanities.*, misc.*, news.*, rec.*, sci.*, soc.*, talk.*
See http://www.big-8.org for info on how to add or remove newsgroups.

C J Campbell[_1_]

August 13th 07, 10:01 PM

On 2007-08-13 13:56:16 -0700, "Martin X. Moleski, SJ"
> said:

> On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 13:46:41 -0700, C J Campbell
> > wrote in
> <2007081313464116807-christophercampbell@hotmailcom>:
>
>> Ignore the sporgers. About half a dozen news groups that I subscribe to
>> got hit with sporge threats from someone purporting to be Supernews.
>> (Shame on Supernews if they were the ones who really made these
>> threats.)
>
> Which is more likely?
>
> A. Someone with a resentment against Supernews uses their
> name as part of a flood attack on sci.crypt.
>
> B. Supernews, one of the largest and best news services
> in existence, decided to sign its name to a flood attack
> so that everyone would despise them.
>
> I am a paying customer of Supernews and know which case
> seems more likely to me.
>
> Marty

Well, exactly. Still, if they resent Supernews, why did they urge
switching to Supernews in order to avoid their attack?
--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

Gig 601XL Builder

August 13th 07, 10:03 PM

Larry Dighera wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 13:58:10 -0500, "Gig 601XL Builder"
> <wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net> wrote in
> >:
>
>> Larry Dighera wrote:
>>> On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 14:05:59 -0400, Dudley Henriques
>>> > wrote in
>>> >:
>>>
>>>> As far as I can tell, these people most likely get their kicks by
>>>> reading the responses to their efforts.
>>>
>>> Are you able to provide any evidence that what you purport actually
>>> occurs?
>>
>> You ask that question right after you post this in the same thread?
>> You got anything to back that up?
>>
>
> You may have failed to recognize the fact that Mr. Henriques said he
> was able to tell how the sporger(s) got their kicks, while I merely
> offered possibilities. There is a difference between the two types of
> statements. One implies that there is some evidence that leads Mr.
> Henriques to his conclusion. The other is merely my unsubstantiated
> opinion reached by examining the facts.
>
> If Mr. Henriques is able to provide some evidence that the sporger(s)
> actually read the responses to their attacks, I'd like to see if it
> provides any further clues to their identity.
>
> Do you have anything constructive to add to this discussion?
>

Since he clearly wrote "As far as I can tell" it sounds like opinion to me
and hence calls for no cite. Especially considering there is no way to prove
that someone does or doesn't read the responses and it is just an assumption
made on human nature.

Your theory, on the other hand, makes a great leap that it could be some
secret method of encrypted communication. To state something like that you
need a little more to back it up. But then again if random spewing of crap
in a newsgroup is indeed a method of sending secret note to OBL then maybe
DHS needs to come and talk to you.

C J Campbell[_1_]

August 13th 07, 10:04 PM

On 2007-08-13 04:01:00 -0700, "Kyle Boatright" > said:

> I'm seeing a huge number of spam postings in this group. I'm sure they are
> from a bot, but since the address keeps switching, I don't know how to block
> the messages in OE.
>
> Suggestions?

Just filter out any messages cross-posted to sci.crypt. This will not
work with Outlook Express 6 on Windows 98/SE, however. That particular
version of OE will attempt to download all 900,000 back-logged messages
on sci.crypt before filtering them out.

I wonder what the sporger has against sci.crypt?
--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

Jim Logajan

August 13th 07, 10:06 PM

Dudley Henriques > wrote:
> I'm sure, as you well know being a moderator yourself, that there are
> lots of moderators out here that are motivated by charitable
> incentives. They spend a great deal of time and effort trying to do a
> credible job of keeping some semblance of order on their forums; much
> of it unappreciated by many.
> My experience was unfortunate. It did however turn me away from
> thinking of moderators in a positive vein and more into the negative
> side of the equation.

Actually I agree that there appear to be a fair number of anal moderators -
or they are at least not very good moderators.

> But getting back to the initial topic of a moderator for this group;
> I'll tell you in all honesty; with all the "personalities" we have on
> this forum considering pilots, their diversified backgrounds and the
> natural egos (mine not withstanding :-), I wouldn't want to take on
> that job for all the tea in China :-))

Thankfully this group probably could never be switched to a moderated one
for technical and "political" reasons.

Still - on one hand you appear to have the appropriate level of laid-
backness to be a non-anal moderator who would rarely reject a post, yet on
the other hand you have too much good sense to be trapped into such a job.
I envy you your good sense. :-) (Excepting avoidance of yard chores, which
it appears you are not clever enough to avoid. Which reminds me, our yard
needs mowing sometime this week....)

Larry Dighera

August 13th 07, 10:07 PM

On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:29:34 -0400, Dudley Henriques
> wrote in
>:

>
>
>Larry Dighera wrote:
>> On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:44:05 -0400, Dudley Henriques
>> > wrote in
>> >:
>>
>>> Apparently you missed the preface; "AS far as I can tell". Is there
>>> something about that you don't understand?
>>
>> From what information were you doing the 'telling?'
>
>
>>
>
>For Pete's sake Dighera; give it a rest will you? This is Usenet. Nobody
>here gives a rat's ass what I think or what you think or what anyone
>else thinks for that matter. Just post your opinions and stop bugging
>people to "prove" this and "prove" that.
>DH

You asked me a question. Then you admonish me for responding to it.
Please don't ask if you don't want an answer. Thanks.

alexy

August 13th 07, 10:13 PM

alexy > wrote:

>Larry Dighera > wrote:
>
>
>
>>It has been suggested that the free nfilter program will permit
>>filtering on any news header field to be used with any news reader:
>>http://www.nfilter.org/ . I haven't tried it yet.
>
>Great little freeware program. I use it, primarily for another forum
>frequently plagued by abusive posts, for which one user has written
>filter files that he shares with the group. I didn't bother with it
>for this little incident, but if it continued, it would be easy for me
>to add a filter based on the forums to which it was cross posted.
>E.g., in the other forum I mentioned, filters used include cross posts
>to a couple of unrelated forums that some of the abusers hit in
>tandem, as well as any post crosss-posted to more than 4 forums.

BTW, I went ahead and set up a rule for this. And I don't see the test
post I sent ] and cross posted to sci.crypt. Here's the rule if anyone
is using nfilter:
################################################## ##########################################
#
# Filter for rec.aviation.piloting sporge
rec.aviation.piloting drop xref:sci\.crypt
################################################## #########################################

Of course, you will lose all those r.a.p. posts legitimately
cross-posted to sci.crypt! <g>

--
Alex -- Replace "nospam" with "mail" to reply by email. Checked infrequently.

Dudley Henriques[_2_]

August 13th 07, 10:13 PM

Jim Logajan wrote:

> I envy you your good sense. :-) (Excepting avoidance of yard chores, which
> it appears you are not clever enough to avoid. Which reminds me, our yard
> needs mowing sometime this week....)

Oh I can avoid the yard chores all right. They're inanimate. It's my
WIFE looking for me to do the yard chores I can't avoid!!! I've tried 3
different makes of running shoes so far. I think New Balance might turn
out to be the "weapon of choice" :-))
DH

Dudley Henriques[_2_]

August 13th 07, 10:16 PM

Larry Dighera wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:29:34 -0400, Dudley Henriques
> > wrote in
> >:
>
>>
>> Larry Dighera wrote:
>>> On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:44:05 -0400, Dudley Henriques
>>> > wrote in
>>> >:
>>>
>>>> Apparently you missed the preface; "AS far as I can tell". Is there
>>>> something about that you don't understand?
>>> From what information were you doing the 'telling?'
>>
>> For Pete's sake Dighera; give it a rest will you? This is Usenet. Nobody
>> here gives a rat's ass what I think or what you think or what anyone
>> else thinks for that matter. Just post your opinions and stop bugging
>> people to "prove" this and "prove" that.
>> DH
>
>
> You asked me a question. Then you admonish me for responding to it.
> Please don't ask if you don't want an answer. Thanks.
>

I'll take that advice and do all I can to avoid you in the future. I'd
appreciate it as well if you will please consider doing the same.
Thank you
DH

John Clear

August 13th 07, 10:23 PM

In article >,
Larry Dighera > wrote:
>While I have not yet found a method of filtering out the sporge
>articles, I have found some promising leads:
>
> Each article is crossposted to the sci.crypt newsgroup.
>
> The 'Path:' header field always contains:
> news.isoc.lu!news.grnet.gr
>
> The 'Subject:' header field always begins with a lower-case letter
>
>Perhaps filters can be successfully written to exploit these
>consistencies.

I killfiled sci.crypt, and it took care of it nicely. I've never read
that group, so I'm not likely to be missing any content.

John
--
John Clear - http://www.clear-prop.org/

Mortimer Schnerd, RN[_2_]

August 13th 07, 10:53 PM

Kyle Boatright wrote:
> I'm seeing a huge number of spam postings in this group. I'm sure they are
> from a bot, but since the address keeps switching, I don't know how to block
> the messages in OE.
>
> Suggestions?

I run NewsProxy (aka Nfilter) together with Outlook Express. In its
configuration file, I have the following rules which appear to have tamed this
particular beast. I saw about a dozen messages with just rule 1; after I added
rules 2 and 3 there have been no more messages. So I credit NewsProxy with
deleting the 1700+ bogus messages in this and other beleagured newsgroups.

* drop xref:[^:]+{1,}
* drop xref:sci.crypt
* drop xpost:sci.crypt

I'm not exactly sure whether the xref or xpost parameter is correct but the
program seems to be happy with both and the supply of bogus messages has
completely dried up. The first rule nukes crossposted messages... period.
Pretty much every off-topic message on usenet is crossposted, so why allow it?

--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com

Mortimer Schnerd, RN[_2_]

August 13th 07, 10:56 PM

alexy wrote:
> BTW, I went ahead and set up a rule for this. And I don't see the test
> post I sent ] and cross posted to sci.crypt. Here's the rule if anyone
> is using nfilter:
> ################################################## ##########################################
> #
> # Filter for rec.aviation.piloting sporge
> rec.aviation.piloting drop xref:sci\.crypt
> ################################################## #########################################
>
> Of course, you will lose all those r.a.p. posts legitimately
> cross-posted to sci.crypt! <g>

My rule was more inclusive due to the fact that this isn't the only newsgroup
getting hit. The folks in soc.retirement are also complaining about last
weekend's fun.

--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com

alexy

August 13th 07, 11:49 PM

"Mortimer Schnerd, RN" <mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com> wrote:

>Kyle Boatright wrote:
>> I'm seeing a huge number of spam postings in this group. I'm sure they are
>> from a bot, but since the address keeps switching, I don't know how to block
>> the messages in OE.
>>
>> Suggestions?
>
>
>I run NewsProxy (aka Nfilter) together with Outlook Express. In its
>configuration file, I have the following rules which appear to have tamed this
>particular beast. I saw about a dozen messages with just rule 1; after I added
>rules 2 and 3 there have been no more messages. So I credit NewsProxy with
>deleting the 1700+ bogus messages in this and other beleagured newsgroups.
>
>* drop xref:[^:]+{1,}
>* drop xref:sci.crypt
>* drop xpost:sci.crypt
>
>I'm not exactly sure whether the xref or xpost parameter is correct but the
>program seems to be happy with both and the supply of bogus messages has
>completely dried up. The first rule nukes crossposted messages... period.
>Pretty much every off-topic message on usenet is crossposted, so why allow it?
Because a lot of messages are legitimately cross-posted, where they
touch on topics covered in two forums. E.g., a question about glues to
use on a wooden float for an amphibious plane could be posted to
r.a.h, rec.woodworking, and some wooden boatbuilding forum. I think
your #2 would do the trick.

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alexy

August 13th 07, 11:52 PM

"Mortimer Schnerd, RN" <mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com> wrote:

>alexy wrote:
>> BTW, I went ahead and set up a rule for this. And I don't see the test
>> post I sent ] and cross posted to sci.crypt. Here's the rule if anyone
>> is using nfilter:
>> ################################################## ##########################################
>> #
>> # Filter for rec.aviation.piloting sporge
>> rec.aviation.piloting drop xref:sci\.crypt
>> ################################################## #########################################
>>
>> Of course, you will lose all those r.a.p. posts legitimately
>> cross-posted to sci.crypt! <g>
>
>
>My rule was more inclusive due to the fact that this isn't the only newsgroup
>getting hit. The folks in soc.retirement are also complaining about last
>weekend's fun.

I agree that would work. I tend to make the rules as narrow as
possible, to avoid unintended consequences. Hard to imagine in this
case (although that is why they call them unintended<g>)
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Larry Dighera

August 14th 07, 12:16 AM

On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:03:52 -0500, "Gig 601XL Builder"
<wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net> wrote in
>:

>maybe DHS needs to come and talk to you.

Why me? I'm not sporging. Any self-respecting secret service agent
could easily see that, now that it's legal to wiretap US citizens
without a warrant.

Peter Dohm

August 14th 07, 12:18 AM

"Larry Dighera" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:29:34 -0400, Dudley Henriques
> > wrote in
> >:
>
> >
> >
> >Larry Dighera wrote:
> >> On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:44:05 -0400, Dudley Henriques
> >> > wrote in
> >> >:
> >>
> >>> Apparently you missed the preface; "AS far as I can tell". Is there
> >>> something about that you don't understand?
> >>
> >> From what information were you doing the 'telling?'
> >
> >
> >>
> >
> >For Pete's sake Dighera; give it a rest will you? This is Usenet. Nobody
> >here gives a rat's ass what I think or what you think or what anyone
> >else thinks for that matter. Just post your opinions and stop bugging
> >people to "prove" this and "prove" that.
> >DH
>
>
> You asked me a question. Then you admonish me for responding to it.
> Please don't ask if you don't want an answer. Thanks.
>
Good Heavens! May you spend a year in a room with Anthony!

Martin X. Moleski, SJ

August 14th 07, 12:31 AM

On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 14:01:38 -0700, C J Campbell > wrote in
<2007081314013850073-christophercampbell@hotmailcom>:

>On 2007-08-13 13:56:16 -0700, "Martin X. Moleski, SJ"
> said:

>> Which is more likely?

>> A. Someone with a resentment against Supernews uses their
>> name as part of a flood attack on sci.crypt.

>> B. Supernews, one of the largest and best news services
>> in existence, decided to sign its name to a flood attack
>> so that everyone would despise them.

>> I am a paying customer of Supernews and know which case
>> seems more likely to me.

>Well, exactly. Still, if they resent Supernews, why did they urge
>switching to Supernews in order to avoid their attack?

So as to make people think that Supernews was behind
the attack.

I am acquainted with one fellow from Supernews through
some committee work we do online. I heard of them
for years before I finally signed up with them. I
think it's pretty safe to say that this is not the
way Supernews drums up business.

Marty
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Morgans[_2_]

August 14th 07, 01:05 AM

> All this being said, I'm not trying to put anyone down with this post.
> I realize this is just me and the way I deal with things, and I respect
> everyone else doing whatever they feel they have to do to deal with
> Usenet.
> Dudley Henriques

This time, it was just plain annoying, to me.

I had probably 400 to 500 sporge (or whatever it is called) in one evening.

It just made the group useless, because it was so hard to find the good
posts.

I did get pretty fast at going though looking for the good posts, but there
were not many that were not bogus.

It was an unusual experience, even for usenet. I wouldn't mind if it never
happened again.

If it was supernews (or whoever it was that sent the warning message a week
ago) sending all the crap, (it seems likely that it was them, or someone
doing it under their direction) I wish they could catch them and fine the
crap out of them, and take away all business licenses away from them, if
that is possible.

No one has the right to do that crap, as far as I am concerned. It is just
the same as someone walking into my house, and dropping their drawers and
taking a big crap in the middle of my living room floor. I know I would
take a swing at them with a 2 X 4 firm on their posterior.

I feel better now. Thanks for listening, everyone! <g>
--
Jim in NC

Morgans[_2_]

August 14th 07, 01:11 AM

"Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
...
> Keep in mind I'm not taking a dig at anyone. This is just my way of
> dealing with Usenet. If the situation changed as the poster below has
> indicated by saying 18K posts have been spammed on one forum, I would for
> sure be taking a close look at solving that in whatever way was needed.
> DH

I show 2149 posts on this forum, since late last night, to 8 PM. That is a
lot of scrolling, too.
--
Jim in NC

Dudley Henriques[_2_]

August 14th 07, 01:26 AM

Morgans wrote:
> "Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Keep in mind I'm not taking a dig at anyone. This is just my way of
>> dealing with Usenet. If the situation changed as the poster below has
>> indicated by saying 18K posts have been spammed on one forum, I would for
>> sure be taking a close look at solving that in whatever way was needed.
>> DH
>
> I show 2149 posts on this forum, since late last night, to 8 PM. That is a
> lot of scrolling, too.

So far nothing even coming close to that here. Just a few showing on the
forum. Not sure, but the IMac using OSX and using Thunderbird as the
news reader programmed for a Mac instead of a PC might be relevant.
DH

Bob Noel

August 14th 07, 01:30 AM

In article >,
Dudley Henriques > wrote:

> > I show 2149 posts on this forum, since late last night, to 8 PM. That is a
> > lot of scrolling, too.
>
> So far nothing even coming close to that here. Just a few showing on the
> forum. Not sure, but the IMac using OSX and using Thunderbird as the
> news reader programmed for a Mac instead of a PC might be relevant.
> DH

The newsreader doesn't have anything to do with how many of those
posts would show up on your news server.

--
Bob Noel
(goodness, please trim replies!!!)

Jim Logajan

August 14th 07, 01:30 AM

"Kyle Boatright" > wrote:
> I'm seeing a huge number of spam postings in this group. I'm sure
> they are from a bot, but since the address keeps switching, I don't
> know how to block the messages in OE.

Everyone should do the following:

Send a complaint to the abuse reporting address provided by your Usenet
provider (in Kyle's case that is probably ) Also examine
the headers to see where the posts may be coming from. For example, I
noticed in the Google Groups archive that the headers of a couple of the
offending messages indicated the source was cox.net, and their abuse
reporting address is . Consider sending a copy of the report
on to them.

Pick one or two samples and copy and paste _all_ the headers of the sample
offending messages to your abuse report.

Gattman[_2_]

August 14th 07, 01:42 AM

"Larry Dighera" > wrote in message
...

>>>> As far as I can tell, these people most likely get their kicks by
>>>> reading the responses to their efforts.
>>>
>>> Are you able to provide any evidence that what you purport actually
>>> occurs?
>>
>>You ask that question right after you post this in the same thread? You
>>got
>>anything to back that up?
>>
>
> You may have failed to recognize the fact that Mr. Henriques said he
> was able to tell how the sporger(s) got their kicks,

He said as far as he could tell, and "most likely." What is your problem?

-c

Gattman[_2_]

August 14th 07, 01:44 AM

"Larry Dighera" > wrote in message
...

>>For Pete's sake Dighera; give it a rest will you? This is Usenet. Nobody
>>here gives a rat's ass what I think or what you think or what anyone
>>else thinks for that matter. Just post your opinions and stop bugging
>>people to "prove" this and "prove" that.
>
> You asked me a question. Then you admonish me for responding to it.
> Please don't ask if you don't want an answer. Thanks.

*plonk*

Gattman[_2_]

August 14th 07, 01:45 AM

"Larry Dighera" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 10:55:47 -0700, "Robert M. Gary"
> > wrote in

>>I don't understand what the purpose of the spammer is. How does he
>>profit by this?
>
> It could be an ego issue: He demonstrates his power to disrupt
> thousands of users.

Hmm. Who was it that said "Are you able to provide any evidence that what
you purport actually
occurs?"

-c

Doug Semler

August 14th 07, 01:50 AM

"Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
...

>
> As far as I can tell, these people most likely get their kicks by reading
> the responses to their efforts. If so, that would be classic trolling. I
> don't see any other benefit but I'm open to suggestion from the more
> psychologically qualified on the group. The actual answer might very well
> be above my pay grade :-))

Maybe they're "compensating?" <g>

On the other hand, this thread, which is completely OT for the group, now
has 75 messages in it.

--
Doug Semler
a.a. #705, BAAWA. EAC Guardian of the Horn of the IPU (pbuhh).
The answer is 42; DNRC o-
Gur Hfrarg unf orpbzr fb shyy bs penc gurfr qnlf, abbar rira
erpbtavmrf fvzcyr guvatf yvxr ebg13 nalzber. Fnq, vfa'g vg?

Dudley Henriques[_2_]

August 14th 07, 01:58 AM

Bob Noel wrote:
> In article >,
> Dudley Henriques > wrote:
>
>>> I show 2149 posts on this forum, since late last night, to 8 PM. That is a
>>> lot of scrolling, too.
>> So far nothing even coming close to that here. Just a few showing on the
>> forum. Not sure, but the IMac using OSX and using Thunderbird as the
>> news reader programmed for a Mac instead of a PC might be relevant.
>> DH
>
> The newsreader doesn't have anything to do with how many of those
> posts would show up on your news server.
>
Then why am I showing 10 posts and others are showing many more?

Dudley Henriques[_2_]

August 14th 07, 01:59 AM

Doug Semler wrote:
> "Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>
>> As far as I can tell, these people most likely get their kicks by
>> reading the responses to their efforts. If so, that would be classic
>> trolling. I don't see any other benefit but I'm open to suggestion
>> from the more psychologically qualified on the group. The actual
>> answer might very well be above my pay grade :-))
>
>
> Maybe they're "compensating?" <g>
>
> On the other hand, this thread, which is completely OT for the group,
> now has 75 messages in it.

I think you have broken the code :-))
DH
>

Morgans[_2_]

August 14th 07, 02:00 AM

>> > I show 2149 posts on this forum, since late last night, to 8 PM. That
>> > is a
>> > lot of scrolling, too.
>>
>> So far nothing even coming close to that here. Just a few showing on the
>> forum. Not sure, but the IMac using OSX and using Thunderbird as the
>> news reader programmed for a Mac instead of a PC might be relevant.
>> DH
>
> The newsreader doesn't have anything to do with how many of those
> posts would show up on your news server.

This is weird. I had all those 2149 posts showing on my side bar as being
unread messages. I went to another group and came back, and now it is down
to 143; all in the space of 10 minutes.

I don't know how many have showed up until I go thought these 143 posts, and
see what is there.

Last night, I was continually updating, and finding from 40 to 70 junk
posts, all in the span of 5 or 10 minutes.

I was aggravated, to say the least.

I'll go and check the rest of my received posts for tonight, and report
back.
--
Jim in NC

Morgans[_2_]

August 14th 07, 02:13 AM

"Gattman" <> wrote

> *plonk*

A little slow? <g> You must not be as smart as the average bear.
<wink-wink> (Paraphrased quote from the Yogi Bear)

I have had Larry in the looney bin for as long as I can remember. He is the
only one with the privilege of being permanently gone from my screen.
--
Jim in NC

Bob Noel

August 14th 07, 02:47 AM

In article >,
Dudley Henriques > wrote:

> >> So far nothing even coming close to that here. Just a few showing on the
> >> forum. Not sure, but the IMac using OSX and using Thunderbird as the
> >> news reader programmed for a Mac instead of a PC might be relevant.
> >> DH
> >
> > The newsreader doesn't have anything to do with how many of those
> > posts would show up on your news server.
> >
> Then why am I showing 10 posts and others are showing many more?

perhaps giganews is doing a better job of filtering at the server than
some of the other news folks.

--
Bob Noel
(goodness, please trim replies!!!)

Morgans[_2_]

August 14th 07, 02:54 AM

"Morgans" <> wrote

> I'll go and check the rest of my received posts for tonight, and report
> back.

I would guess I had around 80 junk posts, but when I just reloaded, I have
some more.

Damn!
--
Jim in NC

Dudley Henriques[_2_]

August 14th 07, 02:55 AM

Bob Noel wrote:
> In article >,
> Dudley Henriques > wrote:
>
>>>> So far nothing even coming close to that here. Just a few showing on the
>>>> forum. Not sure, but the IMac using OSX and using Thunderbird as the
>>>> news reader programmed for a Mac instead of a PC might be relevant.
>>>> DH
>>> The newsreader doesn't have anything to do with how many of those
>>> posts would show up on your news server.
>>>
>> Then why am I showing 10 posts and others are showing many more?
>
> perhaps giganews is doing a better job of filtering at the server than
> some of the other news folks.
>
Could be. I use RCN's news server on the East Coast of the US. They use
the usual array of spam filters I would imagine; at least that's what
they keep telling us anyway :-)
The result here so far has been nowhere near what others have been
reporting as to quantity. Without knowing anything much about these
issues, I would guess that whatever RCN is using to filter is being
effective against this spam threat at least to a point. I'm still
showing several of these posts but not anything really bothersome yet.
DH

Martin X. Moleski, SJ

August 14th 07, 04:53 AM

On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 20:50:34 -0400, "Doug Semler" > wrote in
>:

> ... this thread ... is completely OT for the group ...

Yes, it's OT (as indicated by the "OT" in the subject line)
but not utterly irrelevant to the life of the group.

Some discussion of how Usenet works (or fails to work)
and potential remedies is helpful from time to time.

Or so it seems to me.

Marty
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Martin X. Moleski, SJ

August 14th 07, 04:57 AM

On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 20:05:26 -0400, "Morgans" > wrote in >:

> ... If it was supernews (or whoever it was that sent the warning message a week
>ago) sending all the crap, (it seems likely that it was them, or someone
>doing it under their direction) I wish they could catch them and fine the
>crap out of them, and take away all business licenses away from them, if
>that is possible. ...

I'm morally certain that it was not Supernews.

I pay them. They don't pay me.

They are one of the best news providers in the business,
in my opinion.

The vandal sent the warning message and signed "Supernews"
to it in order to get folks like you angry at them.

The folks at Supernews aren't vandals.

Marty
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Bob Fry

August 14th 07, 05:58 AM

>>>>> "KB" == Kyle Boatright > writes:

KB> Suggestions?

Enjoy them. They are as entertaining, and make more sense, than
the off-topic political spews in this group.

--
He was a cowboy, mister, and he loved the land. He loved it so
much he made a woman out of dirt and married her. But when he
kissed her, she disintegrated. Later, at the funeral, when the
preacher said, "Dust to dust," some people laughed, and the
cowboy shot them. At his hanging, he told the others, "I'll be
waiting for you in heaven--with a gun."
- Jack Handey

Montblack

August 14th 07, 07:51 AM

("Dudley Henriques" wrote)
> Oh I can avoid the yard chores all right. They're inanimate. It's my WIFE
> looking for me to do the yard chores I can't avoid!!! I've tried 3
> different makes of running shoes so far. I think New Balance might turn
> out to be the "weapon of choice" :-))

Or you can adopt the Burt Monro method of lawn care. <g>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwqDHIByRec
World's Fastest Indian (2005)

Paul-Mont

Oz Lander[_2_]

August 14th 07, 12:31 PM

Kyle Boatright wrote:

> I'm seeing a huge number of spam postings in this group. I'm sure
> they are from a bot, but since the address keeps switching, I don't
> know how to block the messages in OE.
>
> Suggestions?

I'm using xananews, and I haven't seen any of it. At work I use outlook
express, and it shows it all.

--
Oz Lander.
Straight and Level Forum.
http://z7.invisionfree.com/Straight_and_Level/index.php?act=idx

Dudley Henriques[_2_]

August 14th 07, 02:15 PM

Saw the movie. Fabulous guy Monro, and probably one of Anthony Hopkins'
best works recreating him.
DH

Montblack wrote:
> ("Dudley Henriques" wrote)
>> Oh I can avoid the yard chores all right. They're inanimate. It's my WIFE
>> looking for me to do the yard chores I can't avoid!!! I've tried 3
>> different makes of running shoes so far. I think New Balance might turn
>> out to be the "weapon of choice" :-))
>
>
> Or you can adopt the Burt Monro method of lawn care. <g>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwqDHIByRec
> World's Fastest Indian (2005)
>
>
> Paul-Mont
>
>

Gig 601XL Builder

August 14th 07, 02:48 PM

Martin X. Moleski, SJ wrote:

> I am acquainted with one fellow from Supernews through
> some committee work we do online. I heard of them
> for years before I finally signed up with them. I
> think it's pretty safe to say that this is not the
> way Supernews drums up business.
>
> Marty

And it seems a second wave of the crap made it though Supernews' filters.
I've got about 50 today and this is the first I've seen of it.

Gig 601XL Builder

August 14th 07, 02:50 PM

Morgans wrote:
> "Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Keep in mind I'm not taking a dig at anyone. This is just my way of
>> dealing with Usenet. If the situation changed as the poster below has
>> indicated by saying 18K posts have been spammed on one forum, I
>> would for sure be taking a close look at solving that in whatever
>> way was needed. DH
>
> I show 2149 posts on this forum, since late last night, to 8 PM. That is a
> lot of scrolling, too.

I guess SN is doing a better job than I thought. My total message count from
5pm central to 8:30am this morning was only 127.

alexy

August 14th 07, 03:05 PM

Dudley Henriques > wrote:

>Saw the movie. Fabulous guy Monro, and probably one of Anthony Hopkins'
>best works recreating him.

I agree. And nice to see Hopkins play a character who was not evil.
Next thing you know, they will be casting Jack Nicholson as a
character with no loose screws!

>DH
>
>
>Montblack wrote:
>> ("Dudley Henriques" wrote)
>>> Oh I can avoid the yard chores all right. They're inanimate. It's my WIFE
>>> looking for me to do the yard chores I can't avoid!!! I've tried 3
>>> different makes of running shoes so far. I think New Balance might turn
>>> out to be the "weapon of choice" :-))
>>
>>
>> Or you can adopt the Burt Monro method of lawn care. <g>
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwqDHIByRec
>> World's Fastest Indian (2005)
>>
>>
>> Paul-Mont
>>
>>

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Martin X. Moleski, SJ

August 14th 07, 03:32 PM

On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 08:48:34 -0500, "Gig 601XL Builder" <wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net> wrote in
>:

> ... it seems a second wave of the crap made it though Supernews' filters.
>I've got about 50 today and this is the first I've seen of it.

I saw some this morning.

Maybe a couple of dozen.

Pretty easy to tell by eye which were real r.a.p threads
and which were not.

Marty
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Mike Flying 8

August 14th 07, 06:07 PM

I took the others suggestion and downloaded NFilter and I have none of
it. It is great, easy to setup, and free! I would suggest everyone
do the same. You can even add kill filters based upon the From line.
If you do not like certain posts by certain people, POOF, they no
longer exist.

>Morgans wrote:
>> "Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Keep in mind I'm not taking a dig at anyone. This is just my way of
>>> dealing with Usenet. If the situation changed as the poster below has
>>> indicated by saying 18K posts have been spammed on one forum, I
>>> would for sure be taking a close look at solving that in whatever
>>> way was needed. DH
>>
>> I show 2149 posts on this forum, since late last night, to 8 PM. That is a
>> lot of scrolling, too.
>
>I guess SN is doing a better job than I thought. My total message count from
>5pm central to 8:30am this morning was only 127.
>

Andrew Gideon[_2_]

August 14th 07, 06:34 PM

On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 21:00:27 -0400, Morgans wrote:

> This is weird. I had all those 2149 posts showing on my side bar as being
> unread messages. I went to another group and came back, and now it is
> down to 143; all in the space of 10 minutes.

That's pretty much what I saw, but it's what I expected to see. I knew
that someone was canceling out those articles at the server. That's
probably what was occurring behind the scenes for you too.

- Andrew

Montblack

August 14th 07, 06:36 PM

("Mike Flying 8" wrote)
>I took the others suggestion and downloaded NFilter and I have none of it.
>It is great, easy to setup, and free! I would suggest everyone do the
>same.

http://www.nfilter.org/
It doesn't mention XP ...?

Paul-Mont

Andrew Gideon[_2_]

August 14th 07, 06:59 PM

On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:03:52 -0500, Gig 601XL Builder wrote:

> Your theory, on the other hand, makes a great leap that it could be some
> secret method of encrypted communication.

This is no great leap. It's today's version of code via
classified/personal ads.

Personally, though, I think it a little too "obvious". A more likely
USENET vector would be to grab some image in a binary group (or from some
website or wherever), tweak it with the encrypted message but at the least
significant bits so the image quality loss is minimal, and then repost it.

An image posted to a binary group would get no notice, whereas a flood of
postings like this is noticeable.

Secret communication isn't just about hiding the content; it's also about
hiding the fact that a message is even occurring.

- Andrew

Mortimer Schnerd, RN[_2_]

August 14th 07, 07:02 PM

Montblack wrote:
> ("Mike Flying 8" wrote)
>> I took the others suggestion and downloaded NFilter and I have none of it.
>> It is great, easy to setup, and free! I would suggest everyone do the
>> same.
>
>
> http://www.nfilter.org/
> It doesn't mention XP ...?

Don't worry... it works with XP. I'm running it with XP Pro SP2.

--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com

Dudley Henriques[_2_]

August 14th 07, 07:07 PM

Andrew Gideon wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:03:52 -0500, Gig 601XL Builder wrote:
>
>> Your theory, on the other hand, makes a great leap that it could be some
>> secret method of encrypted communication.
>
> This is no great leap. It's today's version of code via
> classified/personal ads.
>
> Personally, though, I think it a little too "obvious". A more likely
> USENET vector would be to grab some image in a binary group (or from some
> website or wherever), tweak it with the encrypted message but at the least
> significant bits so the image quality loss is minimal, and then repost it.
>
> An image posted to a binary group would get no notice, whereas a flood of
> postings like this is noticeable.
>
> Secret communication isn't just about hiding the content; it's also about
> hiding the fact that a message is even occurring.
>
> - Andrew
>
>
You devious fellow you!!!!
:-)

--
Dudley Henriques

Gig 601XL Builder

August 14th 07, 07:25 PM

Andrew Gideon wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:03:52 -0500, Gig 601XL Builder wrote:
> This is no great leap. It's today's version of code via
> classified/personal ads.
>
> - Andrew

It a great leap when compared to Mr. Henriques' theory that it was some guy
getting his jollies. To which Larry demanded proof of that theory.

Mike Flying 8

August 14th 07, 07:31 PM

>("Mike Flying 8" wrote)
>>I took the others suggestion and downloaded NFilter and I have none of it.
>>It is great, easy to setup, and free! I would suggest everyone do the
>>same.
>
>
>http://www.nfilter.org/
>It doesn't mention XP ...?
>

In addition to the 95/98/NT, it works with XP and Vista.

Thanks for the suggestion MS.

C J Campbell[_1_]

August 14th 07, 08:51 PM

On 2007-08-14 07:32:35 -0700, "Martin X. Moleski, SJ"
> said:

> On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 08:48:34 -0500, "Gig 601XL Builder"
> <wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net> wrote in
> >:
>
>> ... it seems a second wave of the crap made it though Supernews' filters.
>> I've got about 50 today and this is the first I've seen of it.
>
> I saw some this morning.
>
> Maybe a couple of dozen.
>
> Pretty easy to tell by eye which were real r.a.p threads
> and which were not.
>
> Marty

I did not see them, but I am filtering out anything cross-posted to sci.crypt.
--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

Morgans[_2_]

August 14th 07, 10:07 PM

"Montblack" > wrote in message
...
> ("Mike Flying 8" wrote)
>>I took the others suggestion and downloaded NFilter and I have none of it.
>>It is great, easy to setup, and free! I would suggest everyone do the
>>same.
>
>
> http://www.nfilter.org/
> It doesn't mention XP ...?

Would not load on mine.
--
Jim in NC

alexy

August 14th 07, 10:21 PM

"Morgans" > wrote:

>
>"Montblack" > wrote in message
...
>> ("Mike Flying 8" wrote)
>>>I took the others suggestion and downloaded NFilter and I have none of it.
>>>It is great, easy to setup, and free! I would suggest everyone do the
>>>same.
>>
>>
>> http://www.nfilter.org/
>> It doesn't mention XP ...?
>
>Would not load on mine.
I've been running it on XP pro SP 2 for several years. Can't remember
if there were any "gotchas" on setting it up. Are you familiar with
how it works as a proxy? My startup folder contains a shortcut to
newsproxy.exe, which is a file of 245760 bytes. The folder containing
that file also has a file nfilter.dat with all my filters in it.

What happens when you try to load it?

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alexy

August 14th 07, 10:30 PM

alexy > wrote:

>"Morgans" > wrote:
>
>>
>>"Montblack" > wrote in message
...
>>> ("Mike Flying 8" wrote)
>>>>I took the others suggestion and downloaded NFilter and I have none of it.
>>>>It is great, easy to setup, and free! I would suggest everyone do the
>>>>same.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.nfilter.org/
>>> It doesn't mention XP ...?
>>
>>Would not load on mine.
> I've been running it on XP pro SP 2 for several years. Can't remember
>if there were any "gotchas" on setting it up. Are you familiar with
>how it works as a proxy? My startup folder contains a shortcut to
>newsproxy.exe, which is a file of 245760 bytes. The folder containing
>that file also has a file nfilter.dat with all my filters in it.
>
>What happens when you try to load it?

Another thought: Might you have a firewall that is blocking it? Might
need to give permission to newsproxy.
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Mike Flying 8

August 14th 07, 10:38 PM

Right Click on the file and extract it to a new directory. Then just
run the EXE file. I originally had the same problem. It was saying
something about 32 bit application, when I extracted it, it works
fine. I do not think it is even necessary to run the setup. On my XP
machine I just copied the directory and ran the exe file.

On another note, I tried to set this up running on my local server,
and then changing the Agent to access the Nfilter at 192.168.0.200
instead of localhost. It did not work. I was going to try and have
this just run on my server for all my PC's on my home network, but it
seems I can not hit my server for some reason. I opened my firewall
for testing and it made no difference.

Any ideas here?

On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 17:07:24 -0400, "Morgans"
> wrote:

>
>"Montblack" > wrote in message
...
>> ("Mike Flying 8" wrote)
>>>I took the others suggestion and downloaded NFilter and I have none of it.
>>>It is great, easy to setup, and free! I would suggest everyone do the
>>>same.
>>
>>
>> http://www.nfilter.org/
>> It doesn't mention XP ...?
>
>Would not load on mine.

Larry Dighera

August 14th 07, 10:48 PM

On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 17:07:24 -0400, "Morgans"
> wrote in >:

>> http://www.nfilter.org/
>> It doesn't mention XP ...?
>
>Would not load on mine.

Word is, that the incompatibility with XP is only the installation
program. Just run nfilter.exe executable file in its own folder, and
it should run fine.

Morgans[_2_]

August 15th 07, 12:32 AM

"alexy" > wrote in message

> What happens when you try to load it?

Something like file not recognized as a windows 32 file.
--
Jim in NC

Morgans[_2_]

August 15th 07, 12:34 AM

"Mike Flying 8" > wrote in message
...
> Right Click on the file and extract it to a new directory. Then just
> run the EXE file. I originally had the same problem. It was saying
> something about 32 bit application, when I extracted it, it works
> fine. I do not think it is even necessary to run the setup. On my XP
> machine I just copied the directory and ran the exe file.
>
> On another note, I tried to set this up running on my local server,
> and then changing the Agent to access the Nfilter at 192.168.0.200
> instead of localhost. It did not work. I was going to try and have
> this just run on my server for all my PC's on my home network, but it
> seems I can not hit my server for some reason. I opened my firewall
> for testing and it made no difference.
>
> Any ideas here?

I'll try that. Seems to be my problem.
--
Jim in NC

Andrew Gideon[_2_]

August 15th 07, 01:35 AM

On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 14:07:45 -0400, Dudley Henriques wrote:

> You devious fellow you!!!!

<Laugh>

I cannot take credit for any of what I wrote. There've been plenty of
articles in periodicals I read discussing this over the years.

- Andrew

Andrew Gideon[_2_]

August 15th 07, 01:35 AM

On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 13:25:06 -0500, Gig 601XL Builder wrote:

> It a great leap when compared to Mr. Henriques' theory that it was some
> guy getting his jollies.

Oh. I see what you mean, now.

- Andrew

Roger (K8RI)

August 15th 07, 02:23 AM

On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 10:34:47 -0400, Dudley Henriques
> wrote:

>Must be just me, but I never have one iota of trouble with these
>"issues" and can't figure out why people seem to be so bothered by them.
>I've always used forums by scrolling through headers until finding
>something I decided from that header was something I might want to read
>or answer. If the header was suspect or didn't pique my interest, I just
>keep scrolling on down. No biggie at all.

Me too.
I read what I want based on the headers and then mark group read.
Tain't no big thang.

>Trolls, idiots, morons, and Mensa dropouts will always be a part of any

Dropouts? I've met a few with astronomical IQs who were really
strange. <:-))

Dudley Henriques[_2_]

August 15th 07, 02:41 AM

Roger (K8RI) wrote:

> Dropouts? I've met a few with astronomical IQs who were really
> strange. <:-))

I just checked with Bea. She says you're right. I am strange. :-))

--
Dudley Henriques

Doug Semler

August 15th 07, 02:53 AM

"Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
...
> Roger (K8RI) wrote:
>
>> Dropouts? I've met a few with astronomical IQs who were really
>> strange. <:-))
>
> I just checked with Bea. She says you're right. I am strange. :-))
>

Not strange, just......different :-)

(I didn't know I could "drop out" of Mensa. Now, letting my membership
lapse....that's a different story altogether :)

--
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a.a. #705, BAAWA. EAC Guardian of the Horn of the IPU (pbuhh).
The answer is 42; DNRC o-
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erpbtavmrf fvzcyr guvatf yvxr ebg13 nalzber. Fnq, vfa'g vg?

Dudley Henriques[_2_]

August 15th 07, 03:17 AM

Doug Semler wrote:
> "Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Roger (K8RI) wrote:
>>
>>> Dropouts? I've met a few with astronomical IQs who were really
>>> strange. <:-))
>>
>> I just checked with Bea. She says you're right. I am strange. :-))
>>
>
>
> Not strange, just......different :-)
>
> (I didn't know I could "drop out" of Mensa. Now, letting my membership
> lapse....that's a different story altogether :)
>
97 Percentile??
:-))

--
Dudley Henriques

Larry Dighera

August 16th 07, 03:43 PM

On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:13:01 -0400, alexy > wrote in
>:

>alexy > wrote:
>
>>Larry Dighera > wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>It has been suggested that the free nfilter program will permit
>>>filtering on any news header field to be used with any news reader:
>>>http://www.nfilter.org/ . I haven't tried it yet.
>>
>>Great little freeware program. I use it, primarily for another forum
>>frequently plagued by abusive posts, for which one user has written
>>filter files that he shares with the group. I didn't bother with it
>>for this little incident, but if it continued, it would be easy for me
>>to add a filter based on the forums to which it was cross posted.
>>E.g., in the other forum I mentioned, filters used include cross posts
>>to a couple of unrelated forums that some of the abusers hit in
>>tandem, as well as any post crosss-posted to more than 4 forums.
>
>BTW, I went ahead and set up a rule for this. And I don't see the test
>post I sent ] and cross posted to sci.crypt. Here's the rule if anyone
>is using nfilter:
>################################################## ##########################################
>#
># Filter for rec.aviation.piloting sporge
>rec.aviation.piloting drop xref:sci\.crypt
>################################################## #########################################
>
>Of course, you will lose all those r.a.p. posts legitimately
>cross-posted to sci.crypt! <g>

Unfortunately the r.a.p sporge flood is no longer being cross posted
to sci.crypt.

alexy

August 16th 07, 04:34 PM

Larry Dighera > wrote:

>On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:13:01 -0400, alexy > wrote in
>:
>
>>alexy > wrote:
>>
>>>Larry Dighera > wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>It has been suggested that the free nfilter program will permit
>>>>filtering on any news header field to be used with any news reader:
>>>>http://www.nfilter.org/ . I haven't tried it yet.
>>>
>>>Great little freeware program. I use it, primarily for another forum
>>>frequently plagued by abusive posts, for which one user has written
>>>filter files that he shares with the group. I didn't bother with it
>>>for this little incident, but if it continued, it would be easy for me
>>>to add a filter based on the forums to which it was cross posted.
>>>E.g., in the other forum I mentioned, filters used include cross posts
>>>to a couple of unrelated forums that some of the abusers hit in
>>>tandem, as well as any post crosss-posted to more than 4 forums.
>>
>>BTW, I went ahead and set up a rule for this. And I don't see the test
>>post I sent ] and cross posted to sci.crypt. Here's the rule if anyone
>>is using nfilter:
>>################################################## ##########################################
>>#
>># Filter for rec.aviation.piloting sporge
>>rec.aviation.piloting drop xref:sci\.crypt
>>################################################## #########################################
>>
>>Of course, you will lose all those r.a.p. posts legitimately
>>cross-posted to sci.crypt! <g>
>
>Unfortunately the r.a.p sporge flood is no longer being cross posted
>to sci.crypt.

Unfortunately, filtering is a dynamic process, and you have to be
careful not to filter those you want. Just added:
rec.aviation.piloting drop NNTP-Posting-Host:*hargray.net
Hopefully that will work and wont hit any real posts. Someone needs to
write a Bayesian proxy for NNTP.
--
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Martin X. Moleski, SJ

August 16th 07, 05:39 PM

On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 11:34:28 -0400, alexy > wrote in >:

> ... Someone needs to
>write a Bayesian proxy for NNTP.

There is a thing called "Cleanfeed."

I don't know how well it works or what kind of tuning
it needs to work against the garbage we've seen this week.
I am not now and probably never will be a news admin.

FAQ written by my acquaintance, Jeremy, who
works for Supernews:

http://www.exit109.com/~jeremy/news/cleanfeed/cf-faq.html

Marty
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Roger (K8RI)

August 19th 07, 07:57 AM

On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 21:53:49 -0400, "Doug Semler"
> wrote:

>"Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
...
>> Roger (K8RI) wrote:
>>
>>> Dropouts? I've met a few with astronomical IQs who were really
>>> strange. <:-))
>>
>> I just checked with Bea. She says you're right. I am strange. :-))
>>
>
>
>Not strange, just......different :-)
>
>(I didn't know I could "drop out" of Mensa.

It happens with age. You know, that point in life where you start
meeting so many new people. Friends and even relatives. It might even
get to the point where you meet new relatives every day. Course when
they all get together to visit, that's time to start keeping track of
your pulse and read the OBs every morning to check for your name. If
it's not there, you at least made another one.

> Now, letting my membership
>lapse....that's a different story altogether :)