IDs Please

[Dingo[_2_]]

........ or perhaps, confirmation.

Apart from C-130s, I rarely see/hear any other 4 prop a/c here in N.Suffolk
so dashed outside yesterday at the sound of something which obviously wasn't
a Hercules and saw the attached. It wasn't that close and the photo shows
more than I saw by eye.

First thought it was a DC 7 .... but I haven't seen/heard one of those in
probably 50 years. But even so, and given the state of my memory, DC7s etc
didn't have this sort of engine sound. I can only say that some of our local
tractors sound sweeter than this kite which I think was an Ilyushin IL 18.

Is I right or is I wrong ? ...... and whilst I'm here can any of you chaps
put an ID on the other a/c here ? Sent to me by a friend who thinks it might
be Italian. I'm not so sure, but ..........

Many thanks,
~~
Dingo ;-)

[Adhominem]

Dingo wrote:

> First thought it was a DC 7 .... but I haven't seen/heard one of those in
> probably 50 years. But even so, and given the state of my memory, DC7s etc
> didn't have this sort of engine sound. I can only say that some of our
> local tractors sound sweeter than this kite which I think was an Ilyushin
> IL 18.

Unlikely, since I guess you are describing the sound of piston engines, and
the Il-18 is powered by turboprops. From the picture, it also looks rather
like radials, but it's awfully hard to tell. Given the shape of the
tailplane, a DC-6/7 is not that unlikely.

> and whilst I'm here can any of you chaps
> put an ID on the other a/c here ? Sent to me by a friend who thinks it
> might be Italian. I'm not so sure, but ..........

Looks like an ekranoplan. Italian is unlikely, the flag visible on the tail
has horizontal stripes. It could be the German flag. The Germans developed,
built and tested the first Western ekranoplan, the RFB X-113, on Lake
Constance in the seventies. For comparison, see this shot:

http://tinyurl.com/24onan

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Vikers Viscount?

[®i©ardo]

Guy wrote:
> Vikers Viscount?
>
>
No way. the Viscount has a dihedral to the tailplane, plus the much
slimmer Rolls Royce Dart engines.

What a joyful aircraft that was.

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[Dingo[_2_]]

"Guy" > wrote in message
...
> Vikers Viscount?

Nooo, nooo, definitely not, Guy.
~~
Dingo ;-)

[Dingo[_2_]]

"Adhominem" > wrote in message
...
> Dingo wrote:
>
>> First thought it was a DC 7 .... but I haven't seen/heard one of those in
>> probably 50 years. But even so, and given the state of my memory, DC7s
>> etc
>> didn't have this sort of engine sound. I can only say that some of our
>> local tractors sound sweeter than this kite which I think was an Ilyushin
>> IL 18.
>
> Unlikely, since I guess you are describing the sound of piston engines,
> and
> the Il-18 is powered by turboprops. From the picture, it also looks rather
> like radials, but it's awfully hard to tell. Given the shape of the
> tailplane, a DC-6/7 is not that unlikely.
>
>> and whilst I'm here can any of you chaps
>> put an ID on the other a/c here ? Sent to me by a friend who thinks it
>> might be Italian. I'm not so sure, but ..........
>
> Looks like an ekranoplan. Italian is unlikely, the flag visible on the
> tail
> has horizontal stripes. It could be the German flag. The Germans
> developed,
> built and tested the first Western ekranoplan, the RFB X-113, on Lake
> Constance in the seventies. For comparison, see this shot:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/24onan
>
> Ad.

Thank you Ad, the RFB X-113 certainly appears to answer the query I had from
my friend.

As regards my main query, the IL 18 / DC6/7 ..... I am 99% certain the a/c I
saw was piston engined rather than a turbo prop. It is just a pity it was
too far away to get a better photo. The chances of seeing either aircraft
here is remote so unless another UK poster has also seen this kite in our
skies recently, I'll just have to wait and hope it comes back.

Many thanks, Ad
~~
Dingo ;-)

[Al G[_1_]]

DC-6, a DC-7 with 3 bladed props. P&W 3350's instead of 4360's

Al G

"Dingo" > wrote in message
...
>
> ....... or perhaps, confirmation.
>
> Apart from C-130s, I rarely see/hear any other 4 prop a/c here in
> N.Suffolk
> so dashed outside yesterday at the sound of something which obviously
> wasn't
> a Hercules and saw the attached. It wasn't that close and the photo shows
> more than I saw by eye.
>
> First thought it was a DC 7 .... but I haven't seen/heard one of those in
> probably 50 years. But even so, and given the state of my memory, DC7s etc
> didn't have this sort of engine sound. I can only say that some of our
> local
> tractors sound sweeter than this kite which I think was an Ilyushin IL 18.
>
> Is I right or is I wrong ? ...... and whilst I'm here can any of you chaps
> put an ID on the other a/c here ? Sent to me by a friend who thinks it
> might
> be Italian. I'm not so sure, but ..........
>
> Many thanks,
> ~~
> Dingo ;-)
>

[Bob Moore]

Al G wrote
> DC-6, a DC-7 with 3 bladed props. P&W 3350's instead of 4360's

DC-6s were powered by P&W R-2800 Double Wasps. 118' wingspan.
DC-7s were powered by Wright R-3350s. 128' wingspan.

Bob Moore

[Dingo[_2_]]

While thanking all for your comments, I've sussed the answer to my query.
The a/c in question is DC 6 reg G-APSA belonging to Air Atlantique/
Atlantic Airlines based out of Coventry, UK.

More info (and better photos)
@
http://www.ruudleeuw.com/dc6.htm
http://www.ruudleeuw.com/others-robson.htm
~~
Dingo
~~~~~~~~~~~



"Dingo" > wrote in message
...
>
> ....... or perhaps, confirmation.
>
> Apart from C-130s, I rarely see/hear any other 4 prop a/c here in
> N.Suffolk
> so dashed outside yesterday at the sound of something which obviously
> wasn't
> a Hercules and saw the attached. It wasn't that close and the photo shows
> more than I saw by eye.
>
> First thought it was a DC 7 .... but I haven't seen/heard one of those in
> probably 50 years. But even so, and given the state of my memory, DC7s etc
> didn't have this sort of engine sound. I can only say that some of our
> local
> tractors sound sweeter than this kite which I think was an Ilyushin IL 18.
>
> Is I right or is I wrong ? ...... and whilst I'm here can any of you chaps
> put an ID on the other a/c here ? Sent to me by a friend who thinks it
> might
> be Italian. I'm not so sure, but ..........
>
> Many thanks,
> ~~
> Dingo ;-)
>

[Al G[_1_]]

"Bob Moore" > wrote in message
46.128...
> Al G wrote
>> DC-6, a DC-7 with 3 bladed props. P&W 3350's instead of 4360's
>
> DC-6s were powered by P&W R-2800 Double Wasps. 118' wingspan.
> DC-7s were powered by Wright R-3350s. 128' wingspan.
>
> Bob Moore

Thanks Bob, I was off by a generation...

It was a DC-6 wasn't it?

Al G

[Boomerang]

Hey Bob, sorry about the impression I was correcting you on the P5 last week (I didn't mean it to sound as I was) but you're right on with this one...but do you (or any of the group) remember a civil airliner other than the stratocruiser with 4360s? ..and not the R4Q/C119 or the C74/124 or the Mars - they were all very, very military. Don't think there were any.

[Bob Moore]

Al G wrote
>
> "Bob Moore" wrote
>> Al G wrote
>>> DC-6, a DC-7 with 3 bladed props. P&W 3350's instead of 4360's
>>
>> DC-6s were powered by P&W R-2800 Double Wasps. 118' wingspan.
>> DC-7s were powered by Wright R-3350s. 128' wingspan.

> Thanks Bob, I was off by a generation...>
> It was a DC-6 wasn't it?

Yep! We were still flying them at PanAm when I joined them in 1967.
They were used in a "cost plus $1.00" contract to fly U.S. service
personnel in Vietnam on Rest and Recreation flights.

Bob Moore
ATP B-707 B-727
PanAm (retired)

[Bob Moore]

Boomerang wrote
> Hey Bob, sorry about the impression I was correcting you on the P5
> last week (I didn't mean it to sound as I was) but you're right on
> with this one...but do you (or any of the group) remember a civil
> airliner other than the stratocruiser with 4360s? ..and not the
> R4Q/C119 or the C74/124 or the Mars - they were all very, very
> military. Don't think there were any.

You've confused me with some other "Bob", I never posted about the
P-5, but I think that you're correct about the 4360.

Bob Moore
VP-21 VP-46 PanAm

[Tom Inglima]

It is a DC-6.

Tom Ingima


"Dingo" > wrote in message
...
>
> ....... or perhaps, confirmation.
>
> Apart from C-130s, I rarely see/hear any other 4 prop a/c here in
> N.Suffolk
> so dashed outside yesterday at the sound of something which obviously
> wasn't
> a Hercules and saw the attached. It wasn't that close and the photo shows
> more than I saw by eye.
>
> First thought it was a DC 7 .... but I haven't seen/heard one of those in
> probably 50 years. But even so, and given the state of my memory, DC7s etc
> didn't have this sort of engine sound. I can only say that some of our
> local
> tractors sound sweeter than this kite which I think was an Ilyushin IL 18.
>
> Is I right or is I wrong ? ...... and whilst I'm here can any of you chaps
> put an ID on the other a/c here ? Sent to me by a friend who thinks it
> might
> be Italian. I'm not so sure, but ..........
>
> Many thanks,
> ~~
> Dingo ;-)
>

[Dale[_3_]]

In article >,
"Al G" > wrote:

> DC-6, a DC-7 with 3 bladed props. P&W 3350's instead of 4360's
>
> Al G
>


Not exactly. The -6 has PW 2800s. Many differences between the two
aircraft.

[Al G[_1_]]

"Bob Moore" > wrote in message
46.128...
> Al G wrote
>>
>> "Bob Moore" wrote
>>> Al G wrote
>>>> DC-6, a DC-7 with 3 bladed props. P&W 3350's instead of 4360's
>>>
>>> DC-6s were powered by P&W R-2800 Double Wasps. 118' wingspan.
>>> DC-7s were powered by Wright R-3350s. 128' wingspan.
>
>> Thanks Bob, I was off by a generation...>
>> It was a DC-6 wasn't it?
>
> Yep! We were still flying them at PanAm when I joined them in 1967.
> They were used in a "cost plus $1.00" contract to fly U.S. service
> personnel in Vietnam on Rest and Recreation flights.
>
> Bob Moore
> ATP B-707 B-727
> PanAm (retired)

Many years ago, at Medford, Oregon, Butler aviation leased a bunch
of DC6's to the Forest service as Boraid(sp?) Bombers. They did a good job,
and I personally known a guy whose house and property were saved by a very
timely and accurate drop.
After a couple of years, they switched to DC7's. They were having
some kind of problem with the engines, and the temps at Medford. We watched
several departures with 1 feathered, and about 10' high as they crossed the
end. Soon the area off the end of the departure runway was a bright orange,
and stayed that way for months.
I over heard a Pilot saying, "The DC6 is a 4 engine airplane with 3
bladed props. The DC7 is a 3 engine airplane with 4 bladed props"


Al G

[redc1c4]

Al G wrote:
>
> "Bob Moore" > wrote in message
> 46.128...
> > Al G wrote
> >>
> >> "Bob Moore" wrote
> >>> Al G wrote
> >>>> DC-6, a DC-7 with 3 bladed props. P&W 3350's instead of 4360's
> >>>
> >>> DC-6s were powered by P&W R-2800 Double Wasps. 118' wingspan.
> >>> DC-7s were powered by Wright R-3350s. 128' wingspan.
> >
> >> Thanks Bob, I was off by a generation...>
> >> It was a DC-6 wasn't it?
> >
> > Yep! We were still flying them at PanAm when I joined them in 1967.
> > They were used in a "cost plus $1.00" contract to fly U.S. service
> > personnel in Vietnam on Rest and Recreation flights.
> >
> > Bob Moore
> > ATP B-707 B-727
> > PanAm (retired)
>
> Many years ago, at Medford, Oregon, Butler aviation leased a bunch
> of DC6's to the Forest service as Boraid(sp?) Bombers. They did a good job,
> and I personally known a guy whose house and property were saved by a very
> timely and accurate drop.
> After a couple of years, they switched to DC7's. They were having
> some kind of problem with the engines, and the temps at Medford. We watched
> several departures with 1 feathered, and about 10' high as they crossed the
> end. Soon the area off the end of the departure runway was a bright orange,
> and stayed that way for months.
> I over heard a Pilot saying, "The DC6 is a 4 engine airplane with 3
> bladed props. The DC7 is a 3 engine airplane with 4 bladed props"
>
> Al G

"Borate"..... http://www.airtanker.com/history/cahistory.html

redc1c4,
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[John[_8_]]

On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 11:07:57 +0100, "Dingo"
> wrote:


>First thought it was a DC 7 ....

This may have been the bird you saw:

http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=1064226&WxsIERv=Qbhtynf%20QP-6N&Wm=0&WdsYXMg=Nve%20Ngynagvdhr&QtODMg=Ovttva%20Uvyy%20%28ODU%20%2F%20RTXO%29&ERDLTkt=HX%20-%20Ratynaq&ktODMp=Whar%203%2C%202006&BP=1&WNEb25u=Xynnf%20Ervaqre%20Fyhvwf&xsIERvdWdsY=T-NCFN&MgTUQtODMgKE=Ovttva%20Uvyy%20Nve%20Snve%3B%20Gur%2 0ynfg%20gvzr%20jr%20fnj%20ure%20syl%20%3F%20Fur%27 f%20sbe%20fnyr%2C%20ohg%20vs%20ab%20bar%20vf%20vag rerfgrq%2C%20gur%20pubccre%20vf...&YXMgTUQtODMgKERD=2351&NEb25uZWxs=2006-06-22%2006%3A52%3A10&ODJ9dvCE=&O89Dcjdg=45497%2F995&static=yes&width=1024&height=695&sok=JURER%20%20%28nvepensg_trarevp%20%3D%20%27Qbht ynf%20QP-6%20%28P-118%2FE6Q%2FYvsgznfgre%29%27%29%20%20beqre%20ol%20 lrne%20qrfp&photo_nr=58&prev_id=1063468&next_id=1064601

Search on Airliners.net for DC-6, then change the order to: year (most
recent first) and this is on the 3rd page along with a couple of other
shots of this aricraft. Quite a few on subsequent pages - seems to
show up all over the UK.

J. W. Alger

[JOHN BRAUNGART]

The lower picture is that of a Lippisch X-113, flown in around 1970. It's
not a true aircraft, being Wing In Ground Effect (probably got that term
wrong). I first saw this photo in a Popular Science from that time period.



"Dingo" > wrote in message
...
>
> ....... or perhaps, confirmation.
>
> Apart from C-130s, I rarely see/hear any other 4 prop a/c here in
> N.Suffolk
> so dashed outside yesterday at the sound of something which obviously
> wasn't
> a Hercules and saw the attached. It wasn't that close and the photo shows
> more than I saw by eye.
>
> First thought it was a DC 7 .... but I haven't seen/heard one of those in
> probably 50 years. But even so, and given the state of my memory, DC7s etc
> didn't have this sort of engine sound. I can only say that some of our
> local
> tractors sound sweeter than this kite which I think was an Ilyushin IL 18.
>
> Is I right or is I wrong ? ...... and whilst I'm here can any of you chaps
> put an ID on the other a/c here ? Sent to me by a friend who thinks it
> might
> be Italian. I'm not so sure, but ..........
>
> Many thanks,
> ~~
> Dingo ;-)
>

[Dingo[_2_]]

"JOHN BRAUNGART" > wrote in message
news:Z3nzi.5065$z83.2765@trndny09...
> The lower picture is that of a Lippisch X-113, flown in around 1970. It's
> not a true aircraft, being Wing In Ground Effect (probably got that term
> wrong). I first saw this photo in a Popular Science from that time period.
>

Someone else beat you to the ID, John, but thanks anyway for posting.
~~
Dingo ;-)

[Dingo[_2_]]

"JOHN BRAUNGART" > wrote in message
news:Z3nzi.5065$z83.2765@trndny09...
> The lower picture is that of a Lippisch X-113, flown in around 1970. It's
> not a true aircraft, being Wing In Ground Effect (probably got that term
> wrong). I first saw this photo in a Popular Science from that time period.
>

Someone else beat you to the ID, John, but thanks anyway for posting.
~~
Dingo ;-)