De-registration

[[email protected]]

Can anybody give me some information as to how long does it take for
Germany to issue de-registration certificate. I have been waiting for
over a month and still didn't get anything.

[nimbusgb]

On 19 Aug, 18:16, wrote:
> Can anybody give me some information as to how long does it take for
> Germany to issue de-registration certificate. I have been waiting for
> over a month and still didn't get anything.

Holiday season. Everything comes to a halt!

[Bert Willing[_2_]]

It took me three days, but then I know this guy personally.

Outside holiday season, standard delay is 3-4 weeks.

Bert
> wrote in message
ups.com...
>
> Can anybody give me some information as to how long does it take for
> Germany to issue de-registration certificate. I have been waiting for
> over a month and still didn't get anything.
>

[John Galloway[_1_]]

I presume this is for a new glider? If so is it Type
Certificated? If not you may have to wait until the
type certificate has been issued - that's what I found.


At 07:42 20 August 2007, Bert Willing wrote:
>It took me three days, but then I know this guy personally.
>
>Outside holiday season, standard delay is 3-4 weeks.
>
>Bert
> wrote in message
ups.com...
>>
>> Can anybody give me some information as to how long
>>does it take for
>> Germany to issue de-registration certificate. I have
>>been waiting for
>> over a month and still didn't get anything.
>>
>
>
>

[Bert Willing[_2_]]

My experience stems from privately selling used gliders with type
certificates (not that many though - I'm not a dealer!).
What's your special case?
Bert

"John Galloway" > wrote in message
...
>I presume this is for a new glider? If so is it Type
> Certificated? If not you may have to wait until the
> type certificate has been issued - that's what I found.
>
>
> At 07:42 20 August 2007, Bert Willing wrote:
>>It took me three days, but then I know this guy personally.
>>
>>Outside holiday season, standard delay is 3-4 weeks.
>>
>>Bert
>> wrote in message
ups.com...
>>>
>>> Can anybody give me some information as to how long
>>>does it take for
>>> Germany to issue de-registration certificate. I have
>>>been waiting for
>>> over a month and still didn't get anything.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

[[email protected]]

On Aug 20, 7:32 am, "Bert Willing" <bw_no_spam_ple...@tango-
whisky.com> wrote:
> My experience stems from privately selling used gliders with type
> certificates (not that many though - I'm not a dealer!).
> What's your special case?
> Bert
>
> "John Galloway" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
>
>
> >I presume this is for a new glider? If so is it Type
> > Certificated? If not you may have to wait until the
> > type certificate has been issued - that's what I found.
>
> > At 07:42 20 August 2007, Bert Willing wrote:
> >>It took me three days, but then I know this guy personally.
>
> >>Outside holiday season, standard delay is 3-4 weeks.
>
> >>Bert
> >> wrote in message
> ups.com...
>
> >>> Can anybody give me some information as to how long
> >>>does it take for
> >>> Germany to issue de-registration certificate. I have
> >>>been waiting for
> >>> over a month and still didn't get anything.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I am buying a used glider and it's in the US. But to have it
registered in my name I need to have de-registration from Germany. Is
there a German website that would show aircraft registry with names
next to registration numbers like we have here in the US?

[[email protected]]

On Aug 20, 12:53 pm, wrote:
> On Aug 20, 7:32 am, "Bert Willing" <bw_no_spam_ple...@tango-
>
>
>
>
>
> whisky.com> wrote:
> > My experience stems from privately selling used gliders with type
> > certificates (not that many though - I'm not a dealer!).
> > What's your special case?
> > Bert
>
> > "John Galloway" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> > >I presume this is for a new glider? If so is it Type
> > > Certificated? If not you may have to wait until the
> > > type certificate has been issued - that's what I found.
>
> > > At 07:42 20 August 2007, Bert Willing wrote:
> > >>It took me three days, but then I know this guy personally.
>
> > >>Outside holiday season, standard delay is 3-4 weeks.
>
> > >>Bert
> > >> wrote in message
> > ups.com...
>
> > >>> Can anybody give me some information as to how long
> > >>>does it take for
> > >>> Germany to issue de-registration certificate. I have
> > >>>been waiting for
> > >>> over a month and still didn't get anything.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -

I am buying a used glider and it's in the US. Is
there a German website that would show aircraft registry with names
next to registration numbers like we have here in the US?

[Bert Willing[_2_]]

If the glider is type certified in Germany (which it is most probably
because otherwise it wouldn't be allowed to fly in the US), the former owner
has to apply for de-registration in Germany (sending in the form, the
original certificate of airworthiness and the original certificate of
immatriculation), and the LBA then issues a certificate of de-registration
to the former owner. That takes 3-4 weeks, plus the snail mail from the US
to D and back.
There is no LBA webseite listing immatriculations vs owners.

Bert
> wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> I am buying a used glider and it's in the US. Is
> there a German website that would show aircraft registry with names
> next to registration numbers like we have here in the US?
>
>

[[email protected]]

On Aug 22, 12:52 am, "Bert Willing" <bw_no_spam_ple...@tango-
whisky.com> wrote:
> If the glider is type certified in Germany (which it is most probably
> because otherwise it wouldn't be allowed to fly in the US), the former owner
> has to apply for de-registration in Germany (sending in the form, the
> original certificate of airworthiness and the original certificate of
> immatriculation), and the LBA then issues a certificate of de-registration
> to the former owner. That takes 3-4 weeks, plus the snail mail from the US
> to D and back.
> There is no LBA webseite listing immatriculations vs owners.
>
> > wrote in message
>
> oups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > I am buying a used glider and it's in the US. Is
> > there a German website that would show aircraft registry with names
> > next to registration numbers like we have here in the US?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Thanks for the response.

Chris Aniol

[CindyB]

Chris:

The group needed a little more info to answer your question
most correctly. But I think you got the answer you needed,
circuitously.

I would guess from your original post that you are a US citizen,
trying to buy a German registered airframe that happens to be
on a flying holiday in the US.

An airframe registered in a particular country, flown by a pilot of
that same
citizenship, may fly in most ICAO countries without (much)
interference
for recreational uses. But to change the ownership and hence
registration
of ownership to a new nationality requires a de-registration from the
current
country. (One airframe doesn't get to wear an "N" number and a "D"
number
at the same time.)

Bert is likely pretty correct on the LBA's procedures, and others are
helpful in telling you that most of Europe goes to the beach (or
somewhere)
on vacation for all of August. So, hopefully, LBA will spit out
documents
for you in a few more weeks.

But the one wrinkle that was wrong..... a glider doesn't have to be
LBA
type certified to leave Germany and fly in the US. It could be
factory
built or not, leave it's home country, and be licensed for
Airworthiness in the US
under Experimental Airworthiness - Air Racing. Many lovely gliders,
mostly
single-place, fly here in that manner.

Cindy B
SSA Governmental Liaison Committee
www.caracolesoaring.com


On Aug 22, 12:52 am, "Bert Willing" <bw_no_spam_ple...@tango-
whisky.com> wrote:
> If the glider is type certified in Germany (which it is most probably
> because otherwise it wouldn't be allowed to fly in the US),
>

> > I am buying a used glider and it's in the US. Is
> > there a German website that would show aircraft registry with names
> > next to registration numbers like we have here in the US?

[Bert Willing[_2_]]

Cindy,

a glider certainly doesn't have to be type certificated by the LBA to fly in
the US ;-) It's the US who decides which aircrafts it wants to see above its
territory.

But if it does have written a D-... on it, the LBA has either issued an
immatriculation based on a type certificate, or based on a preliminary
certificate. In the second case, the certificate is limited in time and in
the mode of operation. Operation abroad, or over populated areas is usually
ruled out by a preliminary type certificate. "Experimental" doesn't exist
for gliders in Germany.

Ciao
Bert

"CindyB" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> But the one wrinkle that was wrong..... a glider doesn't have to be
> LBA
> type certified to leave Germany and fly in the US. It could be
> factory
> built or not, leave it's home country, and be licensed for
> Airworthiness in the US
> under Experimental Airworthiness - Air Racing. Many lovely gliders,
> mostly
> single-place, fly here in that manner.
>
> Cindy B
> SSA Governmental Liaison Committee
> www.caracolesoaring.com
>
>
> On Aug 22, 12:52 am, "Bert Willing" <bw_no_spam_ple...@tango-
> whisky.com> wrote:
>> If the glider is type certified in Germany (which it is most probably
>> because otherwise it wouldn't be allowed to fly in the US),
>>
>
>> > I am buying a used glider and it's in the US. Is
>> > there a German website that would show aircraft registry with names
>> > next to registration numbers like we have here in the US?
>

[[email protected]]

On Aug 23, 1:17 am, "Bert Willing" <bw_no_spam_ple...@tango-
whisky.com> wrote:
> Cindy,
>
> a glider certainly doesn't have to be type certificated by the LBA to fly in
> the US ;-) It's the US who decides which aircrafts it wants to see above its
> territory.
>
> But if it does have written a D-... on it, the LBA has either issued an
> immatriculation based on a type certificate, or based on a preliminary
> certificate. In the second case, the certificate is limited in time and in
> the mode of operation. Operation abroad, or over populated areas is usually
> ruled out by a preliminary type certificate. "Experimental" doesn't exist
> for gliders in Germany.
>
> Ciao
> Bert
>
> "CindyB" > wrote in message
>
> oups.com...
>
>
>
> > But the one wrinkle that was wrong..... a glider doesn't have to be
> > LBA
> > type certified to leave Germany and fly in the US. It could be
> > factory
> > built or not, leave it's home country, and be licensed for
> > Airworthiness in the US
> > under Experimental Airworthiness - Air Racing. Many lovely gliders,
> > mostly
> > single-place, fly here in that manner.
>
> > Cindy B
> > SSA Governmental Liaison Committee
> >www.caracolesoaring.com
>
> > On Aug 22, 12:52 am, "Bert Willing" <bw_no_spam_ple...@tango-
> > whisky.com> wrote:
> >> If the glider is type certified in Germany (which it is most probably
> >> because otherwise it wouldn't be allowed to fly in the US),
>
> >> > I am buying a used glider and it's in the US. Is
> >> > there a German website that would show aircraft registry with names
> >> > next to registration numbers like we have here in the US?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Thank you for all the help. Finally I was able to contact the German
LBA and got all the information that I needed. They want the original
airworthiness certificate and registration as well as proof of
purchase/bill of sale. After that they will send the deregistration
certificate.