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Buda
August 25th 07, 09:13 PM
Two people confirmed dead in hot-air balloon tragedy, near Vancouver

By: 680News staff and Canadian Press
Saturday, August 25, 2007

Surrey, B.C. - Two people are dead after a hot-air balloon caught fire and
crashed to the ground, police confirmed Saturday.

The dead - a mother and a daughter - had been deemed missing after the
hot-air balloon burst into flames, plunging into Hazelmere Trailer Park in
Surrey, B.C. - near Vancouver.

It's not clear whether the two were in the balloon or on the ground when the
flaming balloon plunged into the RV park.

The incident, which also injured 11 others, occurred as the balloon was
trying to take off at sunset, Friday evening. According to witnesses, the
balloon was about 25 feet off the ground when it caught fire.

Sgt. Roger Morrow, with Surrey RCMP, said 15 ambulances, two air ambulances
and eight fire trucks raced to the campground.

The injured, treated for burns and broken bones in hospital, are expected to
live.

Local police told Vancouver's News1130 - 680News' sister station - witnesses
reported seeing something on fire jump from the balloon before it crashed
into three trailer homes. "Someone may have jumped from the balloon, which
was on fire," police said.

Police said family members watched the terrible scene unfold and they need
more time before the victims' names are made public.

Witnesses described the horrific events. Karen Ashby said she saw the
balloon explode on impact and everyone on the ground was running in a panic
like in a war zone.

Mike Braden also saw it happen and said the balloon was completely engulfed
in flames. He said after it crashed propane tanks were exploding and it
turned into an inferno.

Ashby calls the balloon pilot very responsible and she says the incident is
a tragic accident.

The Transportation Safety Board is investigating and police say it's too
early to release any information about the cause. Weather conditions were
clear at the time of the sunset flight.

Witnesses said plumes of smoke could be seen from kilometres away.

http://www.680news.com/news/local/article.jsp?content=20070825_092342_6708




Witnesses to hot-air balloon crash describe horrific fiery crash

By: TERRI THEODORE
August 25, 2007

SURREY, B.C. (CP) - As a hot-air balloon burst into flames and plummeted
into an RV park, killing two people, a horrific scene of chaos and a raging
inferno ensued, witnesses said.

"I saw the balloon coming down on the front of the trailer and when it hit,
it exploded," said Karen Ashby.

"There were flames and fire, people running. Everybody was in a panic. It
was a shock. It was like a war zone here."

Family members of the two victims were among those who stood powerless on
the ground Friday evening, watching as the flaming balloon crashed directly
into a trailer.

Sgt. Roger Morrow of Surrey RCMP said the victims will not be identified
until at least early next week to give the family a chance to recover from
the shock of what they witnessed.

Eleven people were taken by ground and air ambulances to hospital with
serious but non-life-threatening injuries.

Three trailers were destroyed, but luckily about seven people in the
trailers got out safely, said Ralph Zandergen, the owner of Hazelmere
Trailer Park.

There is little left of the three trailers now, said Zandergen, and the one
in the middle that was directly hit is just a pile of ashes and a few
propane tanks.

Mike Braden, 48, a resident of the RV park, said he looked out his window to
see the balloon and its basket in flames.

"The basket broke and it dropped on the trailer and beside the truck," he
said.

"It was totally engulfed in flames. (After it crashed), tires were blowing
and a few propane tanks went off and it was just an inferno."

One day later the smell of burnt plastic and smoke still permeates the area
and puddles of plastic dot the ground.

Ashby, 50, held back tears while she explained how she watched the coroner
sift through the blackened wreckage.

"They found the bodies in here," she said. "I watched them take them out."

Though the scene of destruction has Ashby shaken up, she defended the
actions of the balloon pilot. She said both her children and her husband
have been up in a balloon with the same pilot.

She said he was very responsible and that "you couldn't ask for a better
person that flies that balloon."

"That was a pure accident. Something malfunctioned. Something went wrong.
That man would have never done anything if he would have thought there would
be any harm to anybody."

The Transportation Safety Board is investigating. Police say it's premature
to speculate on a cause.

http://www.680news.com/news/national/article.jsp?content=n082566A


Pic: *A hot air balloon's basket bursts into flames shortly after takeoff
when it was about 25 feet off the ground in Surrey British Colombia Canada
Friday evening. (AP/Don Randall)*

octothorpe
August 26th 07, 04:29 PM
"Bald White Male 47 165 lbs" > wrote in message
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> "Buda" > wrote in
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>> Pic: *A hot air balloon's basket bursts into flames shortly after takeoff
>>
>
> I bet it was caused by a broken valve.

Or a malfunctioning pressure regulator caused a hose to burst. Either
way it appeared that mass quantities of fuel were releasing during the
flight.

Tom

Richard Brooks
August 27th 07, 01:01 AM
Buda said the following on 25/08/2007 21:13:
> Two people confirmed dead in hot-air balloon tragedy, near Vancouver

Four pages here!

<http://news.qq.com/a/20070826/000216.htm>

Buda
August 27th 07, 01:30 AM
"Richard Brooks" > wrote in message
...
> Buda said the following on 25/08/2007 21:13:
>> Two people confirmed dead in hot-air balloon tragedy, near Vancouver
>
> Four pages here!
>
> <http://news.qq.com/a/20070826/000216.htm>

That must've been one whopping big-ass balloon to lift eleven passengers

arjay
August 27th 07, 08:55 AM
"octothorpe" > wrote in message
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> "Bald White Male 47 165 lbs" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Buda" > wrote in
>> et:
>>
>>> Pic: *A hot air balloon's basket bursts into flames shortly after
>>> takeoff
>>>
>>
>> I bet it was caused by a broken valve.
>
> Or a malfunctioning pressure regulator caused a hose to burst. Either
> way it appeared that mass quantities of fuel were releasing during the
> flight.

Strictly, there was no flight. The fire started while the balloon was still
tethered. Most who got out jumped from close to ground level. That made
the gondola lighter, of course, so when the tether burned through the thing
rose quickly. A couple of people jumped from around 50 metres. Those who
died didn't jump in time.

http://www.cbc.ca/photogallery/canada/669/

octothorpe
August 27th 07, 10:55 AM
"arjay" > wrote in message
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> "octothorpe" > wrote in message
> news:i%gAi.2899$ku.689@trnddc03...
>> "Bald White Male 47 165 lbs" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> "Buda" > wrote in
>>> et:
>>>
>>>> Pic: *A hot air balloon's basket bursts into flames shortly after
>>>> takeoff
>>>>
>>>
>>> I bet it was caused by a broken valve.
>>
>> Or a malfunctioning pressure regulator caused a hose to burst. Either
>> way it appeared that mass quantities of fuel were releasing during the
>> flight.
>
> Strictly, there was no flight. The fire started while the balloon was
> still tethered. Most who got out jumped from close to ground level. That
> made the gondola lighter, of course, so when the tether burned through the
> thing rose quickly. A couple of people jumped from around 50 metres.
> Those who died didn't jump in time.
>
> http://www.cbc.ca/photogallery/canada/669/
>

Balloon flight has limited control at best. Either up or down with the
wind determining the rest. If our language has another word strictly for
what occurred then I'd be glad to see it.

Tom

arjay
August 27th 07, 12:26 PM
"octothorpe" > wrote in message
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> "arjay" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "octothorpe" > wrote in message
>> news:i%gAi.2899$ku.689@trnddc03...
>>> "Bald White Male 47 165 lbs" > wrote in message
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>>>> "Buda" > wrote in
>>>> et:
>>>>
>>>>> Pic: *A hot air balloon's basket bursts into flames shortly after
>>>>> takeoff
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I bet it was caused by a broken valve.
>>>
>>> Or a malfunctioning pressure regulator caused a hose to burst. Either
>>> way it appeared that mass quantities of fuel were releasing during the
>>> flight.
>>
>> Strictly, there was no flight. The fire started while the balloon was
>> still tethered. Most who got out jumped from close to ground level.
>> That made the gondola lighter, of course, so when the tether burned
>> through the thing rose quickly. A couple of people jumped from around 50
>> metres. Those who died didn't jump in time.
>>
>> http://www.cbc.ca/photogallery/canada/669/
>
> Balloon flight has limited control at best. Either up or down with the
> wind determining the rest. If our language has another word strictly for
> what occurred then I'd be glad to see it.

OK ... then this balloon "flight" was analogous to what happens to a
conventional, fixed-wing aircraft when the engines fail at altitude and the
pilot and all but two passengers bail. Physics takes over. The aircraft
continues "flying" for a bit, but it is eventually destroyed along with the
two people it still carries.
The balloon pilot left the gondola while the craft was still tethered. The
ascent was entirely uncontrolled, and (as the pics available at
http://www.cbc.ca/photogallery/canada/669/ show) the air bag was consumed by
flame in mid air.

> Tom

octothorpe
August 28th 07, 01:54 AM
"arjay" > wrote in message
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> "octothorpe" > wrote in message
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>> "arjay" > wrote in message
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>>> "octothorpe" > wrote in message
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>>>> "Bald White Male 47 165 lbs" > wrote in message
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>>>>> "Buda" > wrote in
>>>>> et:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Pic: *A hot air balloon's basket bursts into flames shortly after
>>>>>> takeoff
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I bet it was caused by a broken valve.
>>>>
>>>> Or a malfunctioning pressure regulator caused a hose to burst.
>>>> Either way it appeared that mass quantities of fuel were releasing
>>>> during the flight.
>>>
>>> Strictly, there was no flight. The fire started while the balloon was
>>> still tethered. Most who got out jumped from close to ground level.
>>> That made the gondola lighter, of course, so when the tether burned
>>> through the thing rose quickly. A couple of people jumped from around
>>> 50 metres. Those who died didn't jump in time.
>>>
>>> http://www.cbc.ca/photogallery/canada/669/
>>
>> Balloon flight has limited control at best. Either up or down with the
>> wind determining the rest. If our language has another word strictly for
>> what occurred then I'd be glad to see it.
>
> OK ... then this balloon "flight" was analogous to what happens to a
> conventional, fixed-wing aircraft when the engines fail at altitude and
> the pilot and all but two passengers bail. Physics takes over. The
> aircraft continues "flying" for a bit, but it is eventually destroyed
> along with the two people it still carries.
> The balloon pilot left the gondola while the craft was still tethered.
> The ascent was entirely uncontrolled, and (as the pics available at
> http://www.cbc.ca/photogallery/canada/669/ show) the air bag was consumed
> by flame in mid air.
>
>> Tom
>
>

I've no problem with all that, arjay. I just mentioned an opinion about
the source of the fire.

Bert-Jan[_5_]
August 28th 07, 06:34 PM
>
> That must've been one whopping big-ass balloon to lift eleven passengers
>
I don't know how big this one was but we fly a Cameron A300 with a 14
passenger basket.
This is a 300.000 cubic ft balloon and inflated it stands about 35 mtrs
(about 100 ft, I think).

Problem is not the flying, it's the getting it inflated and after that
packing it in again that is the hard part.

http://www.greetzz.com/fotoalbum/fototool/fotos/ballon_mand_280507.jpg
http://www.greetzz.com/fotoalbum/fototool/fotos/ballonvaren_260906.jpg


--
Cheers,

Bert-Jan

Bert-Jan[_5_]
August 28th 07, 06:35 PM

Bert-Jan[_5_]
August 28th 07, 06:37 PM
"Buda" > wrote in news:zu-
:

> "Richard Brooks" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Buda said the following on 25/08/2007 21:13:
>>> Two people confirmed dead in hot-air balloon tragedy, near Vancouver
>>
>> Four pages here!
>>
>> <http://news.qq.com/a/20070826/000216.htm>
>
> That must've been one whopping big-ass balloon to lift eleven passengers
>

But indeed it is a horrible thing to happen.
I wonder if they ever find out what happened. I really like to know.
--
Cheers,

Bert-Jan

TacAN
August 29th 07, 02:13 AM
Jesus wept!

Our sincere and heart-felt condolences to the families.

Graham

"Buda" > wrote in message
et...
> Two people confirmed dead in hot-air balloon tragedy, near Vancouver
>
> By: 680News staff and Canadian Press
> Saturday, August 25, 2007
>
> Surrey, B.C. - Two people are dead after a hot-air balloon caught fire and
> crashed to the ground, police confirmed Saturday.
>
> The dead - a mother and a daughter - had been deemed missing after the
> hot-air balloon burst into flames, plunging into Hazelmere Trailer Park in
> Surrey, B.C. - near Vancouver.
>
> It's not clear whether the two were in the balloon or on the ground when
> the
> flaming balloon plunged into the RV park.
>
> The incident, which also injured 11 others, occurred as the balloon was
> trying to take off at sunset, Friday evening. According to witnesses, the
> balloon was about 25 feet off the ground when it caught fire.
>
> Sgt. Roger Morrow, with Surrey RCMP, said 15 ambulances, two air
> ambulances
> and eight fire trucks raced to the campground.
>
> The injured, treated for burns and broken bones in hospital, are expected
> to
> live.
>
> Local police told Vancouver's News1130 - 680News' sister station -
> witnesses
> reported seeing something on fire jump from the balloon before it crashed
> into three trailer homes. "Someone may have jumped from the balloon, which
> was on fire," police said.
>
> Police said family members watched the terrible scene unfold and they need
> more time before the victims' names are made public.
>
> Witnesses described the horrific events. Karen Ashby said she saw the
> balloon explode on impact and everyone on the ground was running in a
> panic
> like in a war zone.
>
> Mike Braden also saw it happen and said the balloon was completely
> engulfed
> in flames. He said after it crashed propane tanks were exploding and it
> turned into an inferno.
>
> Ashby calls the balloon pilot very responsible and she says the incident
> is
> a tragic accident.
>
> The Transportation Safety Board is investigating and police say it's too
> early to release any information about the cause. Weather conditions were
> clear at the time of the sunset flight.
>
> Witnesses said plumes of smoke could be seen from kilometres away.
>
> http://www.680news.com/news/local/article.jsp?content=20070825_092342_6708
>
>
>
>
> Witnesses to hot-air balloon crash describe horrific fiery crash
>
> By: TERRI THEODORE
> August 25, 2007
>
> SURREY, B.C. (CP) - As a hot-air balloon burst into flames and plummeted
> into an RV park, killing two people, a horrific scene of chaos and a
> raging
> inferno ensued, witnesses said.
>
> "I saw the balloon coming down on the front of the trailer and when it
> hit,
> it exploded," said Karen Ashby.
>
> "There were flames and fire, people running. Everybody was in a panic. It
> was a shock. It was like a war zone here."
>
> Family members of the two victims were among those who stood powerless on
> the ground Friday evening, watching as the flaming balloon crashed
> directly
> into a trailer.
>
> Sgt. Roger Morrow of Surrey RCMP said the victims will not be identified
> until at least early next week to give the family a chance to recover from
> the shock of what they witnessed.
>
> Eleven people were taken by ground and air ambulances to hospital with
> serious but non-life-threatening injuries.
>
> Three trailers were destroyed, but luckily about seven people in the
> trailers got out safely, said Ralph Zandergen, the owner of Hazelmere
> Trailer Park.
>
> There is little left of the three trailers now, said Zandergen, and the
> one
> in the middle that was directly hit is just a pile of ashes and a few
> propane tanks.
>
> Mike Braden, 48, a resident of the RV park, said he looked out his window
> to
> see the balloon and its basket in flames.
>
> "The basket broke and it dropped on the trailer and beside the truck," he
> said.
>
> "It was totally engulfed in flames. (After it crashed), tires were blowing
> and a few propane tanks went off and it was just an inferno."
>
> One day later the smell of burnt plastic and smoke still permeates the
> area
> and puddles of plastic dot the ground.
>
> Ashby, 50, held back tears while she explained how she watched the coroner
> sift through the blackened wreckage.
>
> "They found the bodies in here," she said. "I watched them take them out."
>
> Though the scene of destruction has Ashby shaken up, she defended the
> actions of the balloon pilot. She said both her children and her husband
> have been up in a balloon with the same pilot.
>
> She said he was very responsible and that "you couldn't ask for a better
> person that flies that balloon."
>
> "That was a pure accident. Something malfunctioned. Something went wrong.
> That man would have never done anything if he would have thought there
> would
> be any harm to anybody."
>
> The Transportation Safety Board is investigating. Police say it's
> premature
> to speculate on a cause.
>
> http://www.680news.com/news/national/article.jsp?content=n082566A
>
>
> Pic: *A hot air balloon's basket bursts into flames shortly after takeoff
> when it was about 25 feet off the ground in Surrey British Colombia Canada
> Friday evening. (AP/Don Randall)*
>
>

jellybean stonerfish
August 29th 07, 03:00 AM
On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 17:35:37 +0000, Bert-Jan wrote:

Why do you have a hand growing out of your ass?

August 29th 07, 03:16 AM
On 28-Aug-2007, jellybean stonerfish > wrote:

> Why do you have a hand growing out of your ass?

From personal experience I would say he took his gloves off to make it
easier to attach the velcro tabs that hold the parachute valve in place.

jellybean stonerfish
August 29th 07, 07:00 AM
On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 02:16:19 +0000, rick wrote:

> On 28-Aug-2007, jellybean stonerfish > wrote:
>
>> Why do you have a hand growing out of your ass?
>
> From personal experience I would say he took his gloves off to make it
> easier to attach the velcro tabs that hold the parachute valve in place.

Well, go ahead and burst my bubble. What is grotesque about that?

stonerfish

Bob Harrington
August 29th 07, 07:12 AM
jellybean stonerfish > wrote in news:eY7Bi.4138
:

> On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 02:16:19 +0000, rick wrote:
>
>> On 28-Aug-2007, jellybean stonerfish > wrote:
>>
>>> Why do you have a hand growing out of your ass?
>>
>> From personal experience I would say he took his gloves off to make it
>> easier to attach the velcro tabs that hold the parachute valve in place.
>
> Well, go ahead and burst my bubble.

Not with ~that~ hand!

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