Importing AVIONIC glider trailer - what a pain

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Well, I have imported a glider and a trailer from Europe. The trailer
is Avionic. It has a plate that states the trailer meets federal
regulations in effect as of the date of manufacture. The customs
officer wants a document stating that the vehicle meets federal
standards. I am confused. Isn't the plate enought?

What is your experiance, any problems?

[Airjunkie]

On Sep 5, 3:41?pm, wrote:
> Well, I have imported a glider and a trailer from Europe. The trailer
> is Avionic. It has a plate that states the trailer meets federal
> regulations in effect as of the date of manufacture. The customs
> officer wants a document stating that the vehicle meets federal
> standards. I am confused. Isn't the plate enought?
>
> What is your experiance, any problems?

It took over 6 months to get a new trailer from Poland registered in
California. They started out by telling me I needed a "California
statement of origin," It went bad from there. They did a physical
inspection of the trailer (actually done by a CHP officer ) and wanted
something different every month, finally ending with a copy of the
customs clearance form..... Be cool, be patient.
2BL

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I drove in to the California DMV in Long Beach California from the
dock. I presented my Bill of Sale from Cobra. They verified the
serial number was the same on the trailer as on the Bill of Sale. I
wrote a check. I drove away with registration and plates in hand.
Total time...less than one hour.

Guy Acheson "DDS"

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On Sep 5, 10:30 pm, wrote:
> I drove in to the California DMV in Long Beach California from the
> dock. I presented my Bill of Sale from Cobra. They verified the
> serial number was the same on the trailer as on the Bill of Sale. I
> wrote a check. I drove away with registration and plates in hand.
> Total time...less than one hour.
>
> Guy Acheson "DDS"

Well, believe me or not I got my trailer registered before it went
through the customs and now I can not get it through customs because
they need a document that essentially says the same thing as the plate
on the trailer. Did you show a trailer's plate to customs or did you
show a document stating the trailer met federal regulations, bla bla
bla...

???

[Burt Compton - Marfa]

What you may need is a USDOT / National Highway Traffic Safety
Administration (NHTSA) Form HS-7, "Declaration" along with a
confirmation letter/fax from AVIONIC saying that it meets the DOT
standards "for the Importation of Motor Vehicles and Motor Vehicle
Equipment subject to Federal Motor Vehicle Safety, Bumper and Theft
Prevention Standards."

I used a Custom$ Broker and he got this paperwork done -
$omehow . . .

[Papa3]

On Sep 5, 11:20 pm, Burt Compton - Marfa > wrote:
> What you may need is a USDOT / National Highway Traffic Safety
> Administration (NHTSA) Form HS-7, "Declaration" along with a
> confirmation letter/fax from AVIONIC saying that it meets the DOT
> standards "for the Importation of Motor Vehicles and Motor Vehicle
> Equipment subject to Federal Motor Vehicle Safety, Bumper and Theft
> Prevention Standards."
>
> I used a Custom$ Broker and he got this paperwork done -
> $omehow . . .

Ditto on that. This was basically the only thing that the guys at
customs in Elizabeth NJ wanted to see (aside from the other paperwork
that the broker prepared). In my case Anschau (Komet) generated
this in advance. I think I still have this in my files somewhere if
you need to see a copy; email me if you need it.

Erik Mann

[Frank Whiteley]

On Sep 6, 9:58 am, Papa3 > wrote:
> On Sep 5, 11:20 pm, Burt Compton - Marfa > wrote:
>
> > What you may need is a USDOT / National Highway Traffic Safety
> > Administration (NHTSA) Form HS-7, "Declaration" along with a
> > confirmation letter/fax from AVIONIC saying that it meets the DOT
> > standards "for the Importation of Motor Vehicles and Motor Vehicle
> > Equipment subject to Federal Motor Vehicle Safety, Bumper and Theft
> > Prevention Standards."
>
> > I used a Custom$ Broker and he got this paperwork done -
> > $omehow . . .
>
> Ditto on that. This was basically the only thing that the guys at
> customs in Elizabeth NJ wanted to see (aside from the other paperwork
> that the broker prepared). In my case Anschau (Komet) generated
> this in advance. I think I still have this in my files somewhere if
> you need to see a copy; email me if you need it.
>
> Erik Mann

Current form appears to be 05/20006
http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/rules/import/hs799short.pdf

I would presume the info required is on the affixed tag, but perhaps
not. Certainly the factory can download a copy, complete it, and fax
or 2-day it to the owner. Cheaper than paying storage while it's tied
up in customs. Actually, I don't see why the importer can't complete
it with the appropriate info. Assuming it's DOT legal, only item 2A
would seem to apply. If purchased from a private owner and shipped
privately, that would seem to be a way forward.

Frank Whiteley

[Frank Whiteley]

On Sep 6, 10:46 am, Frank Whiteley > wrote:
> On Sep 6, 9:58 am, Papa3 > wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Sep 5, 11:20 pm, Burt Compton - Marfa > wrote:
>
> > > What you may need is a USDOT / National Highway Traffic Safety
> > > Administration (NHTSA) Form HS-7, "Declaration" along with a
> > > confirmation letter/fax from AVIONIC saying that it meets the DOT
> > > standards "for the Importation of Motor Vehicles and Motor Vehicle
> > > Equipment subject to Federal Motor Vehicle Safety, Bumper and Theft
> > > Prevention Standards."
>
> > > I used a Custom$ Broker and he got this paperwork done -
> > > $omehow . . .
>
> > Ditto on that. This was basically the only thing that the guys at
> > customs in Elizabeth NJ wanted to see (aside from the other paperwork
> > that the broker prepared). In my case Anschau (Komet) generated
> > this in advance. I think I still have this in my files somewhere if
> > you need to see a copy; email me if you need it.
>
> > Erik Mann
>
> Current form appears to be 05/20006http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/rules/import/hs799short.pdf
>
> I would presume the info required is on the affixed tag, but perhaps
> not. Certainly the factory can download a copy, complete it, and fax
> or 2-day it to the owner. Cheaper than paying storage while it's tied
> up in customs. Actually, I don't see why the importer can't complete
> it with the appropriate info. Assuming it's DOT legal, only item 2A
> would seem to apply. If purchased from a private owner and shipped
> privately, that would seem to be a way forward.
>
> Frank Whiteley

And the factory attachment.

[Frank Whiteley]

On Sep 6, 10:48 am, Frank Whiteley > wrote:
> On Sep 6, 10:46 am, Frank Whiteley > wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Sep 6, 9:58 am, Papa3 > wrote:
>
> > > On Sep 5, 11:20 pm, Burt Compton - Marfa > wrote:
>
> > > > What you may need is a USDOT / National Highway Traffic Safety
> > > > Administration (NHTSA) Form HS-7, "Declaration" along with a
> > > > confirmation letter/fax from AVIONIC saying that it meets the DOT
> > > > standards "for the Importation of Motor Vehicles and Motor Vehicle
> > > > Equipment subject to Federal Motor Vehicle Safety, Bumper and Theft
> > > > Prevention Standards."
>
> > > > I used a Custom$ Broker and he got this paperwork done -
> > > > $omehow . . .
>
> > > Ditto on that. This was basically the only thing that the guys at
> > > customs in Elizabeth NJ wanted to see (aside from the other paperwork
> > > that the broker prepared). In my case Anschau (Komet) generated
> > > this in advance. I think I still have this in my files somewhere if
> > > you need to see a copy; email me if you need it.
>
> > > Erik Mann
>
> > Current form appears to be 05/20006http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/rules/import/hs799short.pdf
>
> > I would presume the info required is on the affixed tag, but perhaps
> > not. Certainly the factory can download a copy, complete it, and fax
> > or 2-day it to the owner. Cheaper than paying storage while it's tied
> > up in customs. Actually, I don't see why the importer can't complete
> > it with the appropriate info. Assuming it's DOT legal, only item 2A
> > would seem to apply. If purchased from a private owner and shipped
> > privately, that would seem to be a way forward.
>
> > Frank Whiteley
>
> And the factory attachment.

I noticed on the bottom right of the form it says OVER. That's
probably just informational, but the PDF only lists the one page.

[Ray Lovinggood]

This thread is about problems with importing an Avionic
trailer to America, I believe. Now, there's a form
that the importer, of a glider trailer, might need
and the form is for 'Importation of Motor Vehicles
and Motor Vehicle Equipment Subject to Federal Motor
Vehicle Safety, Bumper and Theft Prevention Standards.'

Then, there was the other thread about station wagons
suitable for towing trailers.

Hmmm. Maybe just buy an Avionic trailer which apparently
is self-propelled and not worry about a big car to
pull it. Just need a car to steer it.

Quite interesting that our federal government wants
a form for motor vehicles to apply to trailers.

Sigh.

Ray Lovinggood
Carrboro, North Carolina, USA

[Frank Whiteley]

On Sep 6, 12:00 pm, Ray Lovinggood
> wrote:
> This thread is about problems with importing an Avionic
> trailer to America, I believe. Now, there's a form
> that the importer, of a glider trailer, might need
> and the form is for 'Importation of Motor Vehicles
> and Motor Vehicle Equipment Subject to Federal Motor
> Vehicle Safety, Bumper and Theft Prevention Standards.'
>
> Then, there was the other thread about station wagons
> suitable for towing trailers.
>
> Hmmm. Maybe just buy an Avionic trailer which apparently
> is self-propelled and not worry about a big car to
> pull it. Just need a car to steer it.
>
> Quite interesting that our federal government wants
> a form for motor vehicles to apply to trailers.
>
> Sigh.
>
> Ray Lovinggood
> Carrboro, North Carolina, USA

kind of like the FAA and post-moratorium operating limitations on
gliders

here's a square box, please insert your polygons here

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On Sep 6, 2:00 pm, Ray Lovinggood
> wrote:
> This thread is about problems with importing an Avionic
> trailer to America, I believe. Now, there's a form
> that the importer, of a glider trailer, might need
> and the form is for 'Importation of Motor Vehicles
> and Motor Vehicle Equipment Subject to Federal Motor
> Vehicle Safety, Bumper and Theft Prevention Standards.'
>
> Then, there was the other thread about station wagons
> suitable for towing trailers.
>
> Hmmm. Maybe just buy an Avionic trailer which apparently
> is self-propelled and not worry about a big car to
> pull it. Just need a car to steer it.
>
> Quite interesting that our federal government wants
> a form for motor vehicles to apply to trailers.
>
> Sigh.
>
> Ray Lovinggood
> Carrboro, North Carolina, USA

What a joke indeed. I can build a trailer myself and register it as a
homebuilt and it will be ok. I know this for a fact. You do not have
to have anything just a declaration (at least in NH).

I got avionic to write a letter, but in reality my avionic trailer
already has a plate that says the same thing as a plate on my Toyota
Camry. To add to the insult the trailer was bought in U.S. exported to
UK and imported back to U.S. I showed them all the papers, but it was
not enough.

Everyday congress is in session they create more problems for ordinary
people like all of us. I would be happiest if they were in deadlock
for 1000 years.

[Tim Hanke]

What is your trailer status? Has this gone through customs now?






On Sep 6, 8:23 pm, wrote:
> On Sep 6, 2:00 pm, Ray Lovinggood
>
>
>
>
>
> > wrote:
> > This thread is about problems with importing an Avionic
> > trailer to America, I believe. Now, there's a form
> > that the importer, of a glider trailer, might need
> > and the form is for 'Importation of Motor Vehicles
> > and Motor Vehicle Equipment Subject to Federal Motor
> > Vehicle Safety, Bumper and Theft Prevention Standards.'
>
> > Then, there was the other thread about station wagons
> > suitable for towing trailers.
>
> > Hmmm. Maybe just buy an Avionic trailer which apparently
> > is self-propelled and not worry about a big car to
> > pull it. Just need a car to steer it.
>
> > Quite interesting that our federal government wants
> > a form for motor vehicles to apply to trailers.
>
> > Sigh.
>
> > Ray Lovinggood
> > Carrboro, North Carolina, USA
>
> What a joke indeed. I can build a trailer myself and register it as a
> homebuilt and it will be ok. I know this for a fact. You do not have
> to have anything just a declaration (at least in NH).
>
> I got avionic to write a letter, but in reality my avionic trailer
> already has a plate that says the same thing as a plate on my Toyota
> Camry. To add to the insult the trailer was bought in U.S. exported to
> UK and imported back to U.S. I showed them all the papers, but it was
> not enough.
>
> Everyday congress is in session they create more problems for ordinary
> people like all of us. I would be happiest if they were in deadlock
> for 1000 years.- Hide quoted text -
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