iPhone Glide Computer

[Kloudy via AviationKB.com]

Is it just me or does the potential of using an iPhone also as a Glide Comp
seem like a cool idea.

I don't have one, nor do I plan to in the near future (maybe when the price
comes down another $200).
But I was just thinking about the devices I do use on occasion, PDA, mobile
phone, internet desktop, flight computer, all combined into one critter would
be kinda neat.

Whattya think?

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On Sep 6, 4:14 pm, "Kloudy via AviationKB.com" <u33403@uwe> wrote:
> Is it just me or does the potential of using an iPhone also as a Glide Comp
> seem like a cool idea.
>
> I don't have one, nor do I plan to in the near future (maybe when the price
> comes down another $200).
> But I was just thinking about the devices I do use on occasion, PDA, mobile
> phone, internet desktop, flight computer, all combined into one critter would
> be kinda neat.
>
> Whattya think?
>
> --
> Message posted via AviationKB.comhttp://www.aviationkb.com/Uwe/Forums.aspx/soaring/200709/1

I use an iPAQ 6315, does all of the above.

[Michael Ash]

Kloudy via AviationKB.com <u33403@uwe> wrote:
> Is it just me or does the potential of using an iPhone also as a Glide Comp
> seem like a cool idea.
>
> I don't have one, nor do I plan to in the near future (maybe when the price
> comes down another $200).
> But I was just thinking about the devices I do use on occasion, PDA, mobile
> phone, internet desktop, flight computer, all combined into one critter would
> be kinda neat.
>
> Whattya think?

I think the lack of GPS kills it for now.

If and when Apple adds GPS I think it could be a pretty good platform. The
touchscreen seems ideal and the hardware is nice and powerful. One problem
is the lack of a sanctioned way to develop for the platform. It's hackable
but without an official way it's likely to remain the realm of hobbyists
and limit the amount of software available.

--
Michael Ash
Rogue Amoeba Software

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On Sep 7, 5:19 am, Michael Ash > wrote:
> Kloudy via AviationKB.com <u33403@uwe> wrote:
>
> > Is it just me or does the potential of using an iPhone also as a Glide Comp
> > seem like a cool idea.
>
> > I don't have one, nor do I plan to in the near future (maybe when the price
> > comes down another $200).
> > But I was just thinking about the devices I do use on occasion, PDA, mobile
> > phone, internet desktop, flight computer, all combined into one critter would
> > be kinda neat.
>
> > Whattya think?
>
> I think the lack of GPS kills it for now.
>
> If and when Apple adds GPS I think it could be a pretty good platform. The
> touchscreen seems ideal and the hardware is nice and powerful. One problem
> is the lack of a sanctioned way to develop for the platform. It's hackable
> but without an official way it's likely to remain the realm of hobbyists
> and limit the amount of software available.
>
> --
> Michael Ash
> Rogue Amoeba Software

The Openmoko Linux phone Version2 has a GPS (and accelerometers).
comming out in a few months.

Peter

[Phil Collin]

wrote:
> On Sep 6, 4:14 pm, "Kloudy via AviationKB.com" <u33403@uwe> wrote:
>> Is it just me or does the potential of using an iPhone also as a Glide Comp
>> seem like a cool idea.
>>
>> I don't have one, nor do I plan to in the near future (maybe when the price
>> comes down another $200).
>> But I was just thinking about the devices I do use on occasion, PDA, mobile
>> phone, internet desktop, flight computer, all combined into one critter would
>> be kinda neat.
>>
>> Whattya think?
>>
>> --
>> Message posted via AviationKB.comhttp://www.aviationkb.com/Uwe/Forums.aspx/soaring/200709/1
>
> I use an iPAQ 6315, does all of the above.
>

Gary, what software do you run on your IPAQ , do you use a remote GPS
receiver and how have you mounted it and powered it in the cockpit. I
ask as I wish to install one in my PIK but am unsure what to get etc.

Thanks

Phil

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On Sep 7, 3:04 am, Phil Collin > wrote:
> wrote:
> > On Sep 6, 4:14 pm, "Kloudy via AviationKB.com" <u33403@uwe> wrote:
> >> Is it just me or does the potential of using an iPhone also as a Glide Comp
> >> seem like a cool idea.
>
> >> I don't have one, nor do I plan to in the near future (maybe when the price
> >> comes down another $200).
> >> But I was just thinking about the devices I do use on occasion, PDA, mobile
> >> phone, internet desktop, flight computer, all combined into one critter would
> >> be kinda neat.
>
> >> Whattya think?
>
> >> --
> >> Message posted via AviationKB.comhttp://www.aviationkb.com/Uwe/Forums.aspx/soaring/200709/1
>
> > I use an iPAQ 6315, does all of the above.
>
> Gary, what software do you run on your IPAQ , do you use a remote GPS
> receiver and how have you mounted it and powered it in the cockpit. I
> ask as I wish to install one in my PIK but am unsure what to get etc.
>
> Thanks
>
> Phil

I use winpilot, Richard Pfiffner from Craggy Aero can set you up with
the appropriate cables to connect to a cambridge for example, I also
have used a blue tooth gps antenna with it.

[David Kinsell]

Phil Collin wrote:
> wrote:
>> On Sep 6, 4:14 pm, "Kloudy via AviationKB.com" <u33403@uwe> wrote:
>>> Is it just me or does the potential of using an iPhone also as a
>>> Glide Comp
>>> seem like a cool idea.
>>>
>>> I don't have one, nor do I plan to in the near future (maybe when the
>>> price
>>> comes down another $200).
>>> But I was just thinking about the devices I do use on occasion, PDA,
>>> mobile
>>> phone, internet desktop, flight computer, all combined into one
>>> critter would
>>> be kinda neat.
>>>
>>> Whattya think?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Message posted via
>>> AviationKB.comhttp://www.aviationkb.com/Uwe/Forums.aspx/soaring/200709/1
>>
>> I use an iPAQ 6315, does all of the above.
>>
>
> Gary, what software do you run on your IPAQ , do you use a remote GPS
> receiver and how have you mounted it and powered it in the cockpit. I
> ask as I wish to install one in my PIK but am unsure what to get etc.
>
> Thanks
>
> Phil

You might want to read the reviews on the 6315 carefully before making
a decision. It was their first (and worst) attempt to crack the cell
phone market, and had so many issues that T-Mobile dropped it early.
Even if you ignore the poor cell performance, you're left with a
terribly unimpressive PDA.

Hardware issues aside, having a cell phone combined with a flight
computer really doesn't make sense. If you have to bail out, wouldn't
you rather the cell went with you, rather than going down with the ship?
This is particularly important if you've got a PLB or ELT, in that you
may be able to communicate the seriousness of the emergency to rescuers.

For now, I'll stick with a nice, small, reliable cell phone and go for
a big, high-res screen PDA thingie if I want moving maps, a media
player, and a web-surfing appliance. The hw4700 looks like a decent
choice, if running the common soaring software is required.


-Dave

[Kloudy via AviationKB.com]

David Kinsell wrote:
>>>> Is it just me or does the potential of using an iPhone also as a
>>>> Glide Comp
>[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
>Hardware issues aside, having a cell phone combined with a flight
>computer really doesn't make sense. If you have to bail out, wouldn't
>you rather the cell went with you, rather than going down with the ship?

Yeah, I see what you mean.
I was thinking primarily about simply reducing the population of thingies I
carry around.

BTW, thanx for the info on the PDA.

I'm still toodling around with my ol' Nokia 6010 and the iPaq 1500. ; }

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On Sep 8, 7:13 am, David Kinsell > wrote:
> Phil Collin wrote:
> > wrote:
> >> On Sep 6, 4:14 pm, "Kloudy via AviationKB.com" <u33403@uwe> wrote:
> >>> Is it just me or does the potential of using an iPhone also as a
> >>> Glide Comp
> >>> seem like a cool idea.
>
> >>> I don't have one, nor do I plan to in the near future (maybe when the
> >>> price
> >>> comes down another $200).
> >>> But I was just thinking about the devices I do use on occasion, PDA,
> >>> mobile
> >>> phone, internet desktop, flight computer, all combined into one
> >>> critter would
> >>> be kinda neat.
>
> >>> Whattya think?
>
> >>> --
> >>> Message posted via
> >>> AviationKB.comhttp://www.aviationkb.com/Uwe/Forums.aspx/soaring/200709/1
>
> >> I use an iPAQ 6315, does all of the above.
>
> > Gary, what software do you run on your IPAQ , do you use a remote GPS
> > receiver and how have you mounted it and powered it in the cockpit. I
> > ask as I wish to install one in my PIK but am unsure what to get etc.
>
> > Thanks
>
> > Phil
>
> You might want to read the reviews on the 6315 carefully before making
> a decision. It was their first (and worst) attempt to crack the cell
> phone market, and had so many issues that T-Mobile dropped it early.
> Even if you ignore the poor cell performance, you're left with a
> terribly unimpressive PDA.
>
> Hardware issues aside, having a cell phone combined with a flight
> computer really doesn't make sense. If you have to bail out, wouldn't
> you rather the cell went with you, rather than going down with the ship?
> This is particularly important if you've got a PLB or ELT, in that you
> may be able to communicate the seriousness of the emergency to rescuers.
>
> For now, I'll stick with a nice, small, reliable cell phone and go for
> a big, high-res screen PDA thingie if I want moving maps, a media
> player, and a web-surfing appliance. The hw4700 looks like a decent
> choice, if running the common soaring software is required.
>
> -Dave

Maybe my standards are low but the ipaq 6315 has done everything I
like from audio to ebooks to mapping software to gps programs, to phone

[GK[_1_]]

> The Openmoko Linux phone Version2 has a GPS (and accelerometers).
> comming out in a few months.
>
> Peter- Hide quoted text -

Looks like a very interesting platform and knowing Linux it should
be very stable. It will be interesting to see if the idea of
commercial free software picks up on the handhelds.

GK

[David Kinsell]

wrote:
> On Sep 8, 7:13 am, David Kinsell > wrote:
>> Phil Collin wrote:
>>> wrote:
>>>> On Sep 6, 4:14 pm, "Kloudy via AviationKB.com" <u33403@uwe> wrote:
>>>>> Is it just me or does the potential of using an iPhone also as a
>>>>> Glide Comp
>>>>> seem like a cool idea.
>>>>> I don't have one, nor do I plan to in the near future (maybe when the
>>>>> price
>>>>> comes down another $200).
>>>>> But I was just thinking about the devices I do use on occasion, PDA,
>>>>> mobile
>>>>> phone, internet desktop, flight computer, all combined into one
>>>>> critter would
>>>>> be kinda neat.
>>>>> Whattya think?
>>>>> --
>>>>> Message posted via
>>>>> AviationKB.comhttp://www.aviationkb.com/Uwe/Forums.aspx/soaring/200709/1
>>>> I use an iPAQ 6315, does all of the above.
>>> Gary, what software do you run on your IPAQ , do you use a remote GPS
>>> receiver and how have you mounted it and powered it in the cockpit. I
>>> ask as I wish to install one in my PIK but am unsure what to get etc.
>>> Thanks
>>> Phil
>> You might want to read the reviews on the 6315 carefully before making
>> a decision. It was their first (and worst) attempt to crack the cell
>> phone market, and had so many issues that T-Mobile dropped it early.
>> Even if you ignore the poor cell performance, you're left with a
>> terribly unimpressive PDA.
>>
>> Hardware issues aside, having a cell phone combined with a flight
>> computer really doesn't make sense. If you have to bail out, wouldn't
>> you rather the cell went with you, rather than going down with the ship?
>> This is particularly important if you've got a PLB or ELT, in that you
>> may be able to communicate the seriousness of the emergency to rescuers.
>>
>> For now, I'll stick with a nice, small, reliable cell phone and go for
>> a big, high-res screen PDA thingie if I want moving maps, a media
>> player, and a web-surfing appliance. The hw4700 looks like a decent
>> choice, if running the common soaring software is required.
>>
>> -Dave
>
> Maybe my standards are low but the ipaq 6315 has done everything I
> like from audio to ebooks to mapping software to gps programs, to phone

Well, glad you're happy with it, but there's a lot of people who weren't.
If you're like a lot of us, who cut our teeth on Win95 running on a 100 MHz
processor with 16 megs of RAM (crashing five times a day), this probably seems
like a real joy. For a typical iPhone buyer, who wants a slick gizmo that
just works, I think they'd be a little less happy with it. Particularly the
phone part.

Dave

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On Sep 10, 6:05 pm, David Kinsell > wrote:
> wrote:
> > On Sep 8, 7:13 am, David Kinsell > wrote:
> >> Phil Collin wrote:
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> On Sep 6, 4:14 pm, "Kloudy via AviationKB.com" <u33403@uwe> wrote:
> >>>>> Is it just me or does the potential of using an iPhone also as a
> >>>>> Glide Comp
> >>>>> seem like a cool idea.
> >>>>> I don't have one, nor do I plan to in the near future (maybe when the
> >>>>> price
> >>>>> comes down another $200).
> >>>>> But I was just thinking about the devices I do use on occasion, PDA,
> >>>>> mobile
> >>>>> phone, internet desktop, flight computer, all combined into one
> >>>>> critter would
> >>>>> be kinda neat.
> >>>>> Whattya think?
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Message posted via
> >>>>> AviationKB.comhttp://www.aviationkb.com/Uwe/Forums.aspx/soaring/200709/1
> >>>> I use an iPAQ 6315, does all of the above.
> >>> Gary, what software do you run on your IPAQ , do you use a remote GPS
> >>> receiver and how have you mounted it and powered it in the cockpit. I
> >>> ask as I wish to install one in my PIK but am unsure what to get etc.
> >>> Thanks
> >>> Phil
> >> You might want to read the reviews on the 6315 carefully before making
> >> a decision. It was their first (and worst) attempt to crack the cell
> >> phone market, and had so many issues that T-Mobile dropped it early.
> >> Even if you ignore the poor cell performance, you're left with a
> >> terribly unimpressive PDA.
>
> >> Hardware issues aside, having a cell phone combined with a flight
> >> computer really doesn't make sense. If you have to bail out, wouldn't
> >> you rather the cell went with you, rather than going down with the ship?
> >> This is particularly important if you've got a PLB or ELT, in that you
> >> may be able to communicate the seriousness of the emergency to rescuers.
>
> >> For now, I'll stick with a nice, small, reliable cell phone and go for
> >> a big, high-res screen PDA thingie if I want moving maps, a media
> >> player, and a web-surfing appliance. The hw4700 looks like a decent
> >> choice, if running the common soaring software is required.
>
> >> -Dave
>
> > Maybe my standards are low but the ipaq 6315 has done everything I
> > like from audio to ebooks to mapping software to gps programs, to phone
>
> Well, glad you're happy with it, but there's a lot of people who weren't.
> If you're like a lot of us, who cut our teeth on Win95 running on a 100 MHz
> processor with 16 megs of RAM (crashing five times a day), this probably seems
> like a real joy. For a typical iPhone buyer, who wants a slick gizmo that
> just works, I think they'd be a little less happy with it. Particularly the
> phone part.
>
> Dave- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Wow! 16 Megs! Win95! How about DOS 3.1, 64K, 4.47 MHZ. Oh yeah, and a
1200 baud modem was bleeding edge technology.
Jim "Push Play on Tape" Wynhoff

[David Kinsell]

wrote:
> On Sep 10, 6:05 pm, David Kinsell > wrote:
>> wrote:
>>> On Sep 8, 7:13 am, David Kinsell > wrote:
>>>> Phil Collin wrote:
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> On Sep 6, 4:14 pm, "Kloudy via AviationKB.com" <u33403@uwe> wrote:
>>>>>>> Is it just me or does the potential of using an iPhone also as a
>>>>>>> Glide Comp
>>>>>>> seem like a cool idea.
>>>>>>> I don't have one, nor do I plan to in the near future (maybe when the
>>>>>>> price
>>>>>>> comes down another $200).
>>>>>>> But I was just thinking about the devices I do use on occasion, PDA,
>>>>>>> mobile
>>>>>>> phone, internet desktop, flight computer, all combined into one
>>>>>>> critter would
>>>>>>> be kinda neat.
>>>>>>> Whattya think?
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Message posted via
>>>>>>> AviationKB.comhttp://www.aviationkb.com/Uwe/Forums.aspx/soaring/200709/1
>>>>>> I use an iPAQ 6315, does all of the above.
>>>>> Gary, what software do you run on your IPAQ , do you use a remote GPS
>>>>> receiver and how have you mounted it and powered it in the cockpit. I
>>>>> ask as I wish to install one in my PIK but am unsure what to get etc.
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> Phil
>>>> You might want to read the reviews on the 6315 carefully before making
>>>> a decision. It was their first (and worst) attempt to crack the cell
>>>> phone market, and had so many issues that T-Mobile dropped it early.
>>>> Even if you ignore the poor cell performance, you're left with a
>>>> terribly unimpressive PDA.
>>>> Hardware issues aside, having a cell phone combined with a flight
>>>> computer really doesn't make sense. If you have to bail out, wouldn't
>>>> you rather the cell went with you, rather than going down with the ship?
>>>> This is particularly important if you've got a PLB or ELT, in that you
>>>> may be able to communicate the seriousness of the emergency to rescuers.
>>>> For now, I'll stick with a nice, small, reliable cell phone and go for
>>>> a big, high-res screen PDA thingie if I want moving maps, a media
>>>> player, and a web-surfing appliance. The hw4700 looks like a decent
>>>> choice, if running the common soaring software is required.
>>>> -Dave
>>> Maybe my standards are low but the ipaq 6315 has done everything I
>>> like from audio to ebooks to mapping software to gps programs, to phone
>> Well, glad you're happy with it, but there's a lot of people who weren't.
>> If you're like a lot of us, who cut our teeth on Win95 running on a 100 MHz
>> processor with 16 megs of RAM (crashing five times a day), this probably seems
>> like a real joy. For a typical iPhone buyer, who wants a slick gizmo that
>> just works, I think they'd be a little less happy with it. Particularly the
>> phone part.
>>
>> Dave- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Wow! 16 Megs! Win95! How about DOS 3.1, 64K, 4.47 MHZ. Oh yeah, and a
> 1200 baud modem was bleeding edge technology.
> Jim "Push Play on Tape" Wynhoff
>

OK I lied. Actually wrote a monitor program for the Intel 4004 when it first
came out, hand assembled on a piece of paper, and loaded into 1702A's. Probably
4K of RAM, and couldn't begin to fill it up.

So much better today, we've got massive 64 meg RAMs (usually chewed up with
permanent program storage), 166 Mhz processors, and stunning quarter VGA displays,
all running on what can charitably be described as a chopped down version of Windoze
ME. It's what a lot of people are flying around with, made attractive because they
actually have RS-232 to interface to some equally obsolescent flight recorders.

Tack on a crummy cell phone, and you have Mr Kemp's dream machine. We're up
to 10 year old technology, just squeezed into a smaller package.

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On Sep 12, 6:29 pm, David Kinsell > wrote:
> wrote:
> > On Sep 10, 6:05 pm, David Kinsell > wrote:
> >> wrote:
> >>> On Sep 8, 7:13 am, David Kinsell > wrote:
> >>>> Phil Collin wrote:
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>> On Sep 6, 4:14 pm, "Kloudy via AviationKB.com" <u33403@uwe> wrote:
> >>>>>>> Is it just me or does the potential of using an iPhone also as a
> >>>>>>> Glide Comp
> >>>>>>> seem like a cool idea.
> >>>>>>> I don't have one, nor do I plan to in the near future (maybe when the
> >>>>>>> price
> >>>>>>> comes down another $200).
> >>>>>>> But I was just thinking about the devices I do use on occasion, PDA,
> >>>>>>> mobile
> >>>>>>> phone, internet desktop, flight computer, all combined into one
> >>>>>>> critter would
> >>>>>>> be kinda neat.
> >>>>>>> Whattya think?
> >>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>> Message posted via
> >>>>>>> AviationKB.comhttp://www.aviationkb.com/Uwe/Forums.aspx/soaring/200709/1
> >>>>>> I use an iPAQ 6315, does all of the above.
> >>>>> Gary, what software do you run on your IPAQ , do you use a remote GPS
> >>>>> receiver and how have you mounted it and powered it in the cockpit. I
> >>>>> ask as I wish to install one in my PIK but am unsure what to get etc.
> >>>>> Thanks
> >>>>> Phil
> >>>> You might want to read the reviews on the 6315 carefully before making
> >>>> a decision. It was their first (and worst) attempt to crack the cell
> >>>> phone market, and had so many issues that T-Mobile dropped it early.
> >>>> Even if you ignore the poor cell performance, you're left with a
> >>>> terribly unimpressive PDA.
> >>>> Hardware issues aside, having a cell phone combined with a flight
> >>>> computer really doesn't make sense. If you have to bail out, wouldn't
> >>>> you rather the cell went with you, rather than going down with the ship?
> >>>> This is particularly important if you've got a PLB or ELT, in that you
> >>>> may be able to communicate the seriousness of the emergency to rescuers.
> >>>> For now, I'll stick with a nice, small, reliable cell phone and go for
> >>>> a big, high-res screen PDA thingie if I want moving maps, a media
> >>>> player, and a web-surfing appliance. The hw4700 looks like a decent
> >>>> choice, if running the common soaring software is required.
> >>>> -Dave
> >>> Maybe my standards are low but the ipaq 6315 has done everything I
> >>> like from audio to ebooks to mapping software to gps programs, to phone
> >> Well, glad you're happy with it, but there's a lot of people who weren't.
> >> If you're like a lot of us, who cut our teeth on Win95 running on a 100 MHz
> >> processor with 16 megs of RAM (crashing five times a day), this probably seems
> >> like a real joy. For a typical iPhone buyer, who wants a slick gizmo that
> >> just works, I think they'd be a little less happy with it. Particularly the
> >> phone part.
>
> >> Dave- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > Wow! 16 Megs! Win95! How about DOS 3.1, 64K, 4.47 MHZ. Oh yeah, and a
> > 1200 baud modem was bleeding edge technology.
> > Jim "Push Play on Tape" Wynhoff
>
> OK I lied. Actually wrote a monitor program for the Intel 4004 when it first
> came out, hand assembled on a piece of paper, and loaded into 1702A's. Probably
> 4K of RAM, and couldn't begin to fill it up.
>
> So much better today, we've got massive 64 meg RAMs (usually chewed up with
> permanent program storage), 166 Mhz processors, and stunning quarter VGA displays,
> all running on what can charitably be described as a chopped down version of Windoze
> ME. It's what a lot of people are flying around with, made attractive because they
> actually have RS-232 to interface to some equally obsolescent flight recorders.
>
> Tack on a crummy cell phone, and you have Mr Kemp's dream machine. We're up
> to 10 year old technology, just squeezed into a smaller package.


Well I agree that what we were using 25 plus years ago make these
things really cool. I like all that the ipaq does and haven't had any
problems with the phone, if you could recommend what you think is the
best phone, pda, screen size combination, I would appreciate that.