Help search for Steve Fossett

[Dan G]

http://www.mturk.com/mturk/preview?groupId=9TSZK4G35XEZJZG21T60&kw=Flash

These are 0.4 m resolution pictures taken by satellite (GeoEye) since
Fossett went missing. You're shown a picture and either you say "no,
nothing of interest" or "yes, this should be checked out". There's
over 100,000 images to sift through, so if you can help, please do!

[[email protected]]

On Sep 10, 5:55 am, Dan G > wrote:
> http://www.mturk.com/mturk/preview?groupId=9TSZK4G35XEZJZG21T60&kw=Flash
>
> These are 0.4 m resolution pictures taken by satellite (GeoEye) since
> Fossett went missing. You're shown a picture and either you say "no,
> nothing of interest" or "yes, this should be checked out". There's
> over 100,000 images to sift through, so if you can help, please do!

Dan - What is the paint job on the missing Citabria ?
Startburst ? Stripes ? Didn't see this info, perhaps it would help...
Best Regards, Dave "YO"

[Dan G]

On Sep 10, 12:19 pm, wrote:
> Dan - What is the paint job on the missing Citabria ?
> Startburst ? Stripes ? Didn't see this info, perhaps it would help...
> Best Regards, Dave "YO"

I honestly don't know, although I imagine it will be a light colour,
similar to the example.

However don't forget that if you flag anything as interesting the
image is only sent on to the search team for a closer look. If they
agree, then they may send someone to check it out. So risk of causing
a troublesome "false positive" is low.

I noticed that the images are hosted by Google. So we've got GeoEye,
Google and Amazon all working together to make this possible. All
that's now needed is people to look at the images!


Dan

[J a c k]

wrote:
> On Sep 10, 5:55 am, Dan G > wrote:
>> http://www.mturk.com/mturk/preview?groupId=9TSZK4G35XEZJZG21T60&kw=Flash
>>
>> These are 0.4 m resolution pictures taken by satellite (GeoEye) since
>> Fossett went missing. You're shown a picture and either you say "no,
>> nothing of interest" or "yes, this should be checked out". There's
>> over 100,000 images to sift through, so if you can help, please do!
>
> Dan - What is the paint job on the missing Citabria ?
> Startburst ? Stripes ? Didn't see this info, perhaps it would help....



----------

Background

On Monday, September 3, 2007, Steve Fossett, the first person to fly a
plane around the world without refueling and the first person to fly
around the world in a balloon went missing in Nevada. An airplane he was
flying failed to return. No one has any idea where he is.

Through the generous efforts of individuals at several organizations,
detailed satellite imagery has been made available for his last known
whereabouts.


Instructions

You will be shown a single satellite image. The task is to flag any
satellite images which contain foreign objects that may resemble Steve's
airplane or parts of a plane. Steve's plane will show up as a regular
object with sharp edges, white or nearly white, about 21 pixels long and
30 pixels in wingspan.

Notes

If in doubt, be conservative and mark the image. For complete coverage,
we've set up this HIT such that multiple people will cover the same area
several times over. Please do your best, but do not worry that missing
one little detail will be tragic. It will get caught.

Marked images will be sent to a team of specialists who will determine
if they contain information on the whereabouts of Steve Fossett.

Friends and family of Steve Fossett would like to thank you for helping
them with this cause.

http://www.mturk.com/mturk/preview?groupId=9TSZK4G35XEZJZG21T60&kw=Flash

====================

[Tony Verhulst]

Dan G wrote:
> http://www.mturk.com/mturk/preview?groupId=9TSZK4G35XEZJZG21T60&kw=Flash
>
> These are 0.4 m resolution pictures taken by satellite (GeoEye) since
> Fossett went missing. You're shown a picture and either you say "no,
> nothing of interest" or "yes, this should be checked out". There's
> over 100,000 images to sift through, so if you can help, please do!


Gee, I wonder why we haven't seen stuff like this when others went missing?

Tony
(yes, I am going through the images)

[[email protected]]

> Gee, I wonder why we haven't seen stuff like this when others went missing?

The idea came from this search-and-rescue mission
http://www.wired.com/techbiz/people/magazine/15-08/ff_jimgray?currentPage=1

[Michael Ash]

Tony Verhulst > wrote:
> Dan G wrote:
>> http://www.mturk.com/mturk/preview?groupId=9TSZK4G35XEZJZG21T60&kw=Flash
>>
>> These are 0.4 m resolution pictures taken by satellite (GeoEye) since
>> Fossett went missing. You're shown a picture and either you say "no,
>> nothing of interest" or "yes, this should be checked out". There's
>> over 100,000 images to sift through, so if you can help, please do!
>
> Gee, I wonder why we haven't seen stuff like this when others went missing?

Obviously these companies don't get nearly as much free publicity if they
did it for Bob Unknown.

However, now that it's been done, I imagine it might become more common.
The major cost is actually getting the satellite pictures, so if it's
possible to get them while the satellite is otherwise idle and without
burning its fuel then the total cost of such an operation might become low
enough that it could be used routinely even for us little people.

--
Michael Ash
Rogue Amoeba Software

[Dan G]

On Sep 10, 3:19 pm, Michael Ash > wrote:
> However, now that it's been done, I imagine it might become more common.
> The major cost is actually getting the satellite pictures, so if it's
> possible to get them while the satellite is otherwise idle and without
> burning its fuel then the total cost of such an operation might become low
> enough that it could be used routinely even for us little people.

TBH I don't know how effective this method of "searching" will prove.
As is linked to above, the prototype of this method was the search for
a Microsoft employee who sailed out of San Francisco and was never
seen again (I worked on that one too). Although a number of yachts of
the right size were sighted in the images, they proved not to be the
Tenacious and Gray was never found. (Gray and the Tenacious are still
out there, somewhere, probably on the seabed by now). You can read the
blog that was used to co-ordinate the satellite search:

http://www.openphi.net/tenacious/

The Fossett search is only the second attempt to use the technique and
is looking for a very different target on a very different surface, so
who knows if it will prove worthwhile. While the aircraft is easily
big enough to be visible to the satellite, indeed an airborne search
plane has already been spotted, it's not a guaranteed success. Maybe
the Citabria burned up on impact, or is obscured from the vertical
somehow. Maybe it's not there at all.

What is true, without doubt, is that a full conventional SAR operation
is launched for *anyone* who goes missing in an aircraft or boat,
whether rich or poor, or famous or not, and that's still a person's
best hope for timely rescue.


Dan

[Bill Daniels]

"Dan G" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> http://www.mturk.com/mturk/preview?groupId=9TSZK4G35XEZJZG21T60&kw=Flash
>
> These are 0.4 m resolution pictures taken by satellite (GeoEye) since
> Fossett went missing. You're shown a picture and either you say "no,
> nothing of interest" or "yes, this should be checked out". There's
> over 100,000 images to sift through, so if you can help, please do!
>

Probably my ineptness, but the flash application doesn't work. I get a
Google Earth view of the Lat, Long starting point on Google Earth but no
opportunity to designate an image as interesting. I also don't get a
predictable way to shift to the next image.

I've tried with both IE and Firefox.

Bill Daniels

[Bill Daniels]

Never mind, it's now working - not sure what I did no make it so.

Bill Daniels

"Dan G" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> On Sep 10, 3:19 pm, Michael Ash > wrote:
>> However, now that it's been done, I imagine it might become more common.
>> The major cost is actually getting the satellite pictures, so if it's
>> possible to get them while the satellite is otherwise idle and without
>> burning its fuel then the total cost of such an operation might become
>> low
>> enough that it could be used routinely even for us little people.
>
> TBH I don't know how effective this method of "searching" will prove.
> As is linked to above, the prototype of this method was the search for
> a Microsoft employee who sailed out of San Francisco and was never
> seen again (I worked on that one too). Although a number of yachts of
> the right size were sighted in the images, they proved not to be the
> Tenacious and Gray was never found. (Gray and the Tenacious are still
> out there, somewhere, probably on the seabed by now). You can read the
> blog that was used to co-ordinate the satellite search:
>
> http://www.openphi.net/tenacious/
>
> The Fossett search is only the second attempt to use the technique and
> is looking for a very different target on a very different surface, so
> who knows if it will prove worthwhile. While the aircraft is easily
> big enough to be visible to the satellite, indeed an airborne search
> plane has already been spotted, it's not a guaranteed success. Maybe
> the Citabria burned up on impact, or is obscured from the vertical
> somehow. Maybe it's not there at all.
>
> What is true, without doubt, is that a full conventional SAR operation
> is launched for *anyone* who goes missing in an aircraft or boat,
> whether rich or poor, or famous or not, and that's still a person's
> best hope for timely rescue.
>
>
> Dan
>

[Dan G]

On Sep 10, 4:32 pm, "Bill Daniels" <bildan@comcast-dot-net> wrote:
> Probably my ineptness, but the flash application doesn't work. I get a
> Google Earth view of the Lat, Long starting point on Google Earth but no
> opportunity to designate an image as interesting. I also don't get a
> predictable way to shift to the next image.

Just realised that I've been using a non-Flash version (I use Opera so
can turn Flash on and off at will - usually it's off). To get it, just
take the =Flash off the end of the URL:

http://www.mturk.com/mturk/preview?groupId=9TSZK4G35XEZJZG21T60&kw


Dan

[Marc Ramsey]

Dan G wrote:
> What is true, without doubt, is that a full conventional SAR operation
> is launched for *anyone* who goes missing in an aircraft or boat,
> whether rich or poor, or famous or not, and that's still a person's
> best hope for timely rescue.

Perhaps, but I still found this headline and article rather sad:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2007/09/10/MNF0S2BJT.DTL

The search for Fossett is something more than a "conventional" SAR
operation...

Marc

[bumper]

The missing aircraft is blue on white with a "typical" sunburst design on
the top of the wing (the design that has multiple beams radiating out from
the center, leading edge of the wing).

Remember that if there's a post impact fire involving a rag and tube
aircraft, there's often little or nothing left of the original paint scheme
or even the outline of the aircraft. Fuel fires will be hot and the thin
aluminum ribs and inner wing structure can melt. We may be left looking for
what amounts to a dark spot on the ground.

Two years ago, when a Piper Super Cub (N2333J) went missing in north east
Nevada, it took two months to find the wreckage, and there was no post
impact fire. It was found by hunters on horseback, not by the aerial search.

However, during the aerial search for that aircraft, two previously
undiscovered crash sites were found, one dating back some 30 years. Several
undiscovered crash sites have been found in this current search (no info on
these yet, probably until next of kin are notified).

bumper

> wrote in message
ps.com...
> On Sep 10, 5:55 am, Dan G > wrote:
>> http://www.mturk.com/mturk/preview?groupId=9TSZK4G35XEZJZG21T60&kw=Flash
>>
>> These are 0.4 m resolution pictures taken by satellite (GeoEye) since
>> Fossett went missing. You're shown a picture and either you say "no,
>> nothing of interest" or "yes, this should be checked out". There's
>> over 100,000 images to sift through, so if you can help, please do!
>
> Dan - What is the paint job on the missing Citabria ?
> Startburst ? Stripes ? Didn't see this info, perhaps it would help...
> Best Regards, Dave "YO"
>

[5Z]

On Sep 10, 11:27 am, "bumper" > wrote:
> However, during the aerial search for that aircraft, two previously
> undiscovered crash sites were found, one dating back some 30 years. Several
> undiscovered crash sites have been found in this current search (no info on
> these yet, probably until next of kin are notified).

Saw you on NBC news Saturday morning - too bad it took something like
this to get you in the spotlight :(

Since you are close to the action, it would really help if we could
get the coordinates of any known crash sites that are within the
search area. It would likely provide a better feel for what we're
looking for compared to the sample image of an intact airplane on the
search page.

-Tom

[5Z]

On Sep 10, 10:54 am, Marc Ramsey > wrote:
> Dan G wrote:
> > What is true, without doubt, is that a full conventional SAR operation
> > is launched for *anyone* who goes missing in an aircraft or boat,
> > whether rich or poor, or famous or not, and that's still a person's
> > best hope for timely rescue.
>
> Perhaps, but I still found this headline and article rather sad:
>
> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2007/09/10/MNF0S2...
>
> The search for Fossett is something more than a "conventional" SAR
> operation...

But one must also consider how many times we may have seen wreckage
from the air while soaring and thought it was something that had been
investigated, but never cleaned up.

If we had a database of all the coordinates, then it would be easy to
look it up at the end of flight to be sure that it's not something
new.

-Tom

[bumper]

Tom,

CAP has been keeping most of this stuff close the chest, not releasing any
data over what they've been telling the news media - - almost. I do have
contacts within the CAP, though it's unlikely they could give me info that
is privileged.

There is a national database of wrecks, and according to the news, these
newly found wrecks will be added to that DB after next of kin have been
notified. Perhaps someone more versed in computer searches than me can find
the url for that DB?

As you might expect, there's a fair amount of unconfirmed rumor and such
being bandied about - - though most is not fit to print.

bumper

"5Z" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> On Sep 10, 11:27 am, "bumper" > wrote:
>> However, during the aerial search for that aircraft, two previously
>> undiscovered crash sites were found, one dating back some 30 years.
>> Several
>> undiscovered crash sites have been found in this current search (no info
>> on
>> these yet, probably until next of kin are notified).
>
> Saw you on NBC news Saturday morning - too bad it took something like
> this to get you in the spotlight :(
>
> Since you are close to the action, it would really help if we could
> get the coordinates of any known crash sites that are within the
> search area. It would likely provide a better feel for what we're
> looking for compared to the sample image of an intact airplane on the
> search page.
>
> -Tom
>

[Michael Ash]

Dan G > wrote:
> TBH I don't know how effective this method of "searching" will prove.
> As is linked to above, the prototype of this method was the search for
> a Microsoft employee who sailed out of San Francisco and was never
> seen again (I worked on that one too). Although a number of yachts of
> the right size were sighted in the images, they proved not to be the
> Tenacious and Gray was never found. (Gray and the Tenacious are still
> out there, somewhere, probably on the seabed by now). You can read the
> blog that was used to co-ordinate the satellite search:

I'm skeptical as well, but I think it's an interesting technique which may
have some potential, so it's good that it's getting another test.

> What is true, without doubt, is that a full conventional SAR operation
> is launched for *anyone* who goes missing in an aircraft or boat,
> whether rich or poor, or famous or not, and that's still a person's
> best hope for timely rescue.

Indeed. There has been some complaining about the seemingly special
attention that Fossett is getting, but this satellite stuff appears to
be contributed by entirely private organizations, and if they want to do
that then that's their business. And if it leads to better techniques for
everyone then we're all better off in the end.

--
Michael Ash
Rogue Amoeba Software

[user]

I was game, gave it a try, and after entering enough contact information to
get spammed for years to come, I got the "Try again later" message. Web
sites shouldn't be playing these kinds of games with people's lives - unless
they're robust enough to follow through. Sorry Steve, no help coming from
this end.


"Dan G" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> http://www.mturk.com/mturk/preview?groupId=9TSZK4G35XEZJZG21T60&kw=Flash
>
> These are 0.4 m resolution pictures taken by satellite (GeoEye) since
> Fossett went missing. You're shown a picture and either you say "no,
> nothing of interest" or "yes, this should be checked out". There's
> over 100,000 images to sift through, so if you can help, please do!
>

[Ramy]

I wonder if this massive search will also discover long lost gliders?
Does anyone know if there were any missing gliders over the years in
Nevada?

Ramy

On Sep 10, 9:54 am, Marc Ramsey > wrote:
> Dan G wrote:
> > What is true, without doubt, is that a full conventional SAR operation
> > is launched for *anyone* who goes missing in an aircraft or boat,
> > whether rich or poor, or famous or not, and that's still a person's
> > best hope for timely rescue.
>
> Perhaps, but I still found this headline and article rather sad:
>
> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2007/09/10/MNF0S2...
>
> The search for Fossett is something more than a "conventional" SAR
> operation...
>
> Marc

[Vaughn Simon]

"user" > wrote in message
...
>I was game, gave it a try, and after entering enough contact information to get
>spammed for years to come, I got the "Try again later" message. Web sites
>shouldn't be playing these kinds of games with people's lives - unless they're
>robust enough to follow through. Sorry Steve, no help coming from this end.

I was also initially game to give it a try, but made the mistake of reading
the user agreement. Sorry, no go this time.

Perhaps in the future they will have time to smooth out some of the kinks.

Vaughn

[Limus]

On Sep 10, 3:35 pm, "user" > wrote:
> I was game, gave it a try, and after entering enough contact information to
> get spammed for years to come, I got the "Try again later" message. Web
> sites shouldn't be playing these kinds of games with people's lives - unless
> they're robust enough to follow through. Sorry Steve, no help coming from
> this end.


Come on - give them a break ! They only had few days to put all this
system together. Try again and it will go through.


Limus

[Darren Bedwell]

You can also download a KML file for Google Earth with recent
satellite photos.

Using that KML file I found an object resembling an airplane at
38.4222, -118.983. It's light-colored, pointing southwest, and looks
like it even has the kind of shadow I would expect from a high wing
monoplane. I have no idea who to contact with this, though.





On Sep 10, 5:55 am, Dan G > wrote:
> http://www.mturk.com/mturk/preview?groupId=9TSZK4G35XEZJZG21T60&kw=Flash
>
> These are 0.4 m resolution pictures taken by satellite (GeoEye) since
> Fossett went missing. You're shown a picture and either you say "no,
> nothing of interest" or "yes, this should be checked out". There's
> over 100,000 images to sift through, so if you can help, please do!

[Lew Hartswick]

Dan G wrote:

> http://www.mturk.com/mturk/preview?groupId=9TSZK4G35XEZJZG21T60&kw=Flash
>
> These are 0.4 m resolution pictures taken by satellite (GeoEye) since
> Fossett went missing. You're shown a picture and either you say "no,
> nothing of interest" or "yes, this should be checked out". There's
> over 100,000 images to sift through, so if you can help, please do!
>
I just did about 150. Boy that country is some desolate.
...lew...

[Ro]

Darren Bedwell schreef:
> You can also download a KML file for Google Earth with recent
> satellite photos.
>
> Using that KML file I found an object resembling an airplane at
> 38.4222, -118.983. It's light-colored, pointing southwest, and looks
> like it even has the kind of shadow I would expect from a high wing
> monoplane. I have no idea who to contact with this, though.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sep 10, 5:55 am, Dan G > wrote:
>> http://www.mturk.com/mturk/preview?groupId=9TSZK4G35XEZJZG21T60&kw=Flash
>>
>> These are 0.4 m resolution pictures taken by satellite (GeoEye) since
>> Fossett went missing. You're shown a picture and either you say "no,
>> nothing of interest" or "yes, this should be checked out". There's
>> over 100,000 images to sift through, so if you can help, please do!
>
>

mmm. it's to small.

Look here
38°33'44.15"N
119°19'36.39"W

[Dan G]

On Sep 10, 11:53 pm, "Vaughn Simon"
> wrote:
> "user" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> >I was game, gave it a try, and after entering enough contact information to get
> >spammed for years to come, I got the "Try again later" message. Web sites
> >shouldn't be playing these kinds of games with people's lives - unless they're
> >robust enough to follow through. Sorry Steve, no help coming from this end.
>
> I was also initially game to give it a try, but made the mistake of reading
> the user agreement. Sorry, no go this time.
>
> Perhaps in the future they will have time to smooth out some of the kinks.

It's amazon.com. Just use your normal Amazon login. If you've never
used Amazon before, well, they've not become one of the biggest, if
not *the* biggest, online retailers in the world by spamming customers
or screwing them through the license. Join. Help.

BTW I'd caution against using Google Earth even with the GeoEye KML -
it's a vast area, so it needs to be divided up evenly between users -
which is what MT does. It also allows you to report anything
interesting you find straight to the team.


Dan

[Bob Kuykendall]

On Sep 10, 5:51 pm, Ro > wrote:

> Look here
> 38°33'44.15"N
> 119°19'36.39"W

Yup, that looks like an airplane on trees. Did you contact the search
team?

I looked about for a "tip hotline," but didn't find any such.

[Ramy]

On Sep 11, 8:52 am, Bob Kuykendall > wrote:
> On Sep 10, 5:51 pm, Ro > wrote:
>
> > Look here
> > 38°33'44.15"N
> > 119°19'36.39"W
>
> Yup, that looks like an airplane on trees. Did you contact the search
> team?
>
> I looked about for a "tip hotline," but didn't find any such.

More likely an airplane flying over. There were probably 40 of them
searching the area when the photo was taken, but nevertheless should
be reported.

Ramy

[Ramy]

On Sep 11, 11:01 am, Ramy > wrote:
> On Sep 11, 8:52 am, Bob Kuykendall > wrote:
>
> > On Sep 10, 5:51 pm, Ro > wrote:
>
> > > Look here
> > > 38°33'44.15"N
> > > 119°19'36.39"W
>
> > Yup, that looks like an airplane on trees. Did you contact the search
> > team?
>
> > I looked about for a "tip hotline," but didn't find any such.
>
> More likely an airplane flying over. There were probably 40 of them
> searching the area when the photo was taken, but nevertheless should
> be reported.
>
> Ramy

Could even be a glider. This is right between Desert Creek Pk and Mt
Patterson, an area flown frequently by gliders from Minden and
Truckee.

Ramy

[Matt Herron Jr.]

In looking at the area covered by the new sat pictures on Google
Earth, I am surprised by how small it is. from lat=38.9520869405,
lon=-119.456244753 to lat=37.9965916667, lon=-118.937121878 is only
about 1800 sq miles. Sounds like a lot on paper, but gliders were
covering 3-4x that amount the same day. Was that all the coverage they
could get, or was there something to indicate that was an area of
focus? His range must have been 50x this area. I would think that
the advantage of an online sat search is that a million eyes could
cover a very large area several times over. Impossible by air.

Matt

[Ramy]

On Sep 11, 11:42 am, "Matt Herron Jr." > wrote:
> In looking at the area covered by the new sat pictures on Google
> Earth, I am surprised by how small it is. from lat=38.9520869405,
> lon=-119.456244753 to lat=37.9965916667, lon=-118.937121878 is only
> about 1800 sq miles. Sounds like a lot on paper, but gliders were
> covering 3-4x that amount the same day. Was that all the coverage they
> could get, or was there something to indicate that was an area of
> focus? His range must have been 50x this area. I would think that
> the advantage of an online sat search is that a million eyes could
> cover a very large area several times over. Impossible by air.
>
> Matt

It would also be a huge advantage if the Amazon page would provide
side by side sat pictures before and after his flight. Much easier to
spot a difference. I bet a computer software could do that as well.
Maybe they are already doing it...

Ramy

[Bob Kuykendall]

On Sep 11, 11:01 am, Ramy >

> More likely an airplane flying over...

Good point, that hadn't occurred to me.

[Ro]

Bob Kuykendall schreef:
> On Sep 10, 5:51 pm, Ro > wrote:
>
>> Look here
>> 38°33'44.15"N
>> 119°19'36.39"W
>
> Yup, that looks like an airplane on trees. Did you contact the search
> team?
>
> I looked about for a "tip hotline," but didn't find any such.
>

Right. There is (was?) no direct report address.

But, I managed to get it reported via via to the Air Patrol Search Team.
By calling (001) 702-8283111
From what I heard later, it's a known plane wrack.

Is there anyone how knows about a Official reportadres?

[Bob Kuykendall]

On Sep 11, 3:04 pm, Ro > wrote:
> Right. There is (was?) no direct report address.
>
> But, I managed to get it reported via via to the Air Patrol Search Team.
> By calling (001) 702-8283111
> From what I heard later, it's a known plane wrack.
>
> Is there anyone how knows about a Official reportadres?

No, I was just searching the Web for something like that, and came up
dry.

I have an email address for a guy at the Mech Turk program, and also
Major Ryan's cell phone number. But there's no helpfindsteve.com Web
site or 1-800 number to a switchboard where a staffer can quickly and
effectively add your tip or sighting to the pile of things to look
into.

The search effort seems to have only private phone lines in, and major
media briefings out. Us regular folks just have to be satisfied with
the Amazon HITs and CNN briefings outside the Taildragger, I guess.

Bob K.

[Bob Kuykendall]

On Sep 10, 4:19 am, wrote:

> Dan - What is the paint job on the missing Citabria ?
> Startburst ? Stripes ? Didn't see this info, perhaps it would help...
> Best Regards, Dave "YO"

Dave,

There's a photo of the Decathalon in the latest Update of the Steve
Fossett Web site:

http://www.stevefossett.com

Short answer: Typical Citabria starburst in Blue and White, with some
red trim.

Also, the latest Update refines Fossett's last known whereabouts a
bit:

"It is now believed that Steve Fossett was unlikely to have ventured
far afield (such as crossing the Sierra Nevada range), but that he was
more likely to have been on a local pleasure flight - and that he
probably was not surveying sites for the upcoming landspeed record
project.
Based on Steve's known movements, plans and the aircraft's
capabilities, the search is now primarily focused on a 30 - 50 mile
radius of the ranch, with some members of the search team convinced he
is even closer.

The aircraft's last confirmed position on Monday (3 September) at
approximately 10:30 A.M. local time showed Steve west of Powell Canyon
(south of Walker Lake and southwest of Hawthorne), proceeding east
towards the canyon. This location is less than 30 miles SE from his
point of departure / expected arrival. Steve was expected to return to
the ranch around 11:00 - 11:30 AM. Although the Super Decathlon is
capable of good performance at sea level, the predicted aircraft speed
and climb rate must be adjusted down for the density altitude of this
area in summer.."

Thanks, Bob K.

[Ro]

Bob Kuykendall schreef:
> On Sep 11, 3:04 pm, Ro > wrote:
>> Right. There is (was?) no direct report address.
>>
>> But, I managed to get it reported via via to the Air Patrol Search Team.
>> By calling (001) 702-8283111
>> From what I heard later, it's a known plane wrack.
>>
>> Is there anyone how knows about a Official reportadres?
>
> No, I was just searching the Web for something like that, and came up
> dry.
>
> I have an email address for a guy at the Mech Turk program, and also
> Major Ryan's cell phone number. But there's no helpfindsteve.com Web
> site or 1-800 number to a switchboard where a staffer can quickly and
> effectively add your tip or sighting to the pile of things to look
> into.
>
> The search effort seems to have only private phone lines in, and major
> media briefings out. Us regular folks just have to be satisfied with
> the Amazon HITs and CNN briefings outside the Taildragger, I guess.
>
> Bob K.
>

You're right I think. But it would be far more effective if there was a
direct report-link to the rescue team.
The www.stevefossett.com site, seams to be the most direct link up till now.

Do you have the coordinates of the ranch of steve fossett, were he
took-off? From the above site, it's believed he most be nearby.

coordinates anyone?

[Wayne Paul]

"Ro" > wrote in message
ll.nl...
> Bob Kuykendall schreef:
>> On Sep 11, 3:04 pm, Ro > wrote:
>>> Right. There is (was?) no direct report address.
>>>
>>> But, I managed to get it reported via via to the Air Patrol Search Team.
>>> By calling (001) 702-8283111
>>> From what I heard later, it's a known plane wrack.
>>>
>>> Is there anyone how knows about a Official reportadres?
>>
>> No, I was just searching the Web for something like that, and came up
>> dry.
>>
>> I have an email address for a guy at the Mech Turk program, and also
>> Major Ryan's cell phone number. But there's no helpfindsteve.com Web
>> site or 1-800 number to a switchboard where a staffer can quickly and
>> effectively add your tip or sighting to the pile of things to look
>> into.
>>
>> The search effort seems to have only private phone lines in, and major
>> media briefings out. Us regular folks just have to be satisfied with
>> the Amazon HITs and CNN briefings outside the Taildragger, I guess.
>>
>> Bob K.
>>
>
> You're right I think. But it would be far more effective if there was a
> direct report-link to the rescue team.
> The www.stevefossett.com site, seams to be the most direct link up till
> now.
>
> Do you have the coordinates of the ranch of steve fossett, were he
> took-off? From the above site, it's believed he most be nearby.
>
> coordinates anyone?
>

I believe the coordinates are 38°36'37"N, 119° 0' 7"W.

Wayne
HP-14 "6F"
http://www.soaridaho.com/Schreder

[Ro]

>> Do you have the coordinates of the ranch of steve fossett, were he
>> took-off? From the above site, it's believed he most be nearby.
>>
>> coordinates anyone?
>>
>
> I believe the coordinates are 38°36'37"N, 119° 0' 7"W.
>
> Wayne
> HP-14 "6F"
> http://www.soaridaho.com/Schreder
>
>

Thanks, that's it.

(Where is the good old man?)

[01-- Zero One]

If I am looking at the Google Earth correctly, much of that area is not
covered by the recent higher resolution sat images of GeoEye-Ikonos_1m
that we downloaded recently. Is there a later download that covers this
area to the east and southeast?



Larry

"01"





"Bob Kuykendall" > wrote in message
ps.com:

> On Sep 10, 4:19 am, wrote:
>
> > Dan - What is the paint job on the missing Citabria ?
> > Startburst ? Stripes ? Didn't see this info, perhaps it would help...
> > Best Regards, Dave "YO"
>
> Dave,
>
> There's a photo of the Decathalon in the latest Update of the Steve
> Fossett Web site:
>
> http://www.stevefossett.com
>
> Short answer: Typical Citabria starburst in Blue and White, with some
> red trim.
>
> Also, the latest Update refines Fossett's last known whereabouts a
> bit:
>
> "It is now believed that Steve Fossett was unlikely to have ventured
> far afield (such as crossing the Sierra Nevada range), but that he was
> more likely to have been on a local pleasure flight - and that he
> probably was not surveying sites for the upcoming landspeed record
> project.
> Based on Steve's known movements, plans and the aircraft's
> capabilities, the search is now primarily focused on a 30 - 50 mile
> radius of the ranch, with some members of the search team convinced he
> is even closer.
>
> The aircraft's last confirmed position on Monday (3 September) at
> approximately 10:30 A.M. local time showed Steve west of Powell Canyon
> (south of Walker Lake and southwest of Hawthorne), proceeding east
> towards the canyon. This location is less than 30 miles SE from his
> point of departure / expected arrival. Steve was expected to return to
> the ranch around 11:00 - 11:30 AM. Although the Super Decathlon is
> capable of good performance at sea level, the predicted aircraft speed
> and climb rate must be adjusted down for the density altitude of this
> area in summer.."
>
> Thanks, Bob K.

[[email protected]]

A hotline has been established for tips in the search for Steve.

The number, (910) 396-0704 and when the tone comes, dial 4719.
Officials say tipsters should be prepared to leave their name, contact
number, latitude and longitude coordinates and a description of the
area.

>From mindensoaringclub.com

[Stewart Kissel]

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070912/NEWS18/709
12017/1038/MVN

Interesting item...14 minutes old. Wonder if it is
a hoax or actual observation? Flying into rising terrain
in a box canyon at high altitude, one might attempt
a manuever as described to do the 180?

[bumper]

Stewart,

I wonder if that witness actually saw my plane. I flew through Sunrise Pass
at about 2:30 PM on the day Steve went missing. My Husky has blue body and
wing tips, white wings. Would be easy to mistake for the plane Steve was
flying.

bumper

"Stewart Kissel" > wrote in
message ...
> http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070912/NEWS18/709
> 12017/1038/MVN
>
> Interesting item...14 minutes old. Wonder if it is
> a hoax or actual observation? Flying into rising terrain
> in a box canyon at high altitude, one might attempt
> a manuever as described to do the 180?
>
>
>

[Ro]

bumper schreef:
> Stewart,
>
> I wonder if that witness actually saw my plane. I flew through Sunrise Pass
> at about 2:30 PM on the day Steve went missing. My Husky has blue body and
> wing tips, white wings. Would be easy to mistake for the plane Steve was
> flying.
>
> bumper
>

Did you report this to the search-team?

The number> (910) 396-0704 and when the tone comes, dial 4719.

[bumper]

I didn't call them, but I did call CAP at Minden, where they are
coordinating the search (at least the non-Flying M Ranch part) and told
them.

bumper

"Ro" > wrote in message
ll.nl...
> bumper schreef:
>> Stewart,
>>
>> I wonder if that witness actually saw my plane. I flew through Sunrise
>> Pass at about 2:30 PM on the day Steve went missing. My Husky has blue
>> body and wing tips, white wings. Would be easy to mistake for the plane
>> Steve was flying.
>>
>> bumper
>>
>
> Did you report this to the search-team?
>
> The number> (910) 396-0704 and when the tone comes, dial 4719.

[Bob Kuykendall]

I just finished my 1000th HIT. I marked a few smudges, anomalies, and
a couple of maybe burn scars. But no smoking guns so far.

These tips can speed up the mechanics of doing HITs and leave you more
time for photo analysis:

* A mouse with a wheel between the buttons comes in real handy for
scrolling down to where the yes/no radio buttons are.

* No need to scroll back up to the Submit HIT/Return HIT buttons.
Pressing Enter on your keyboard submits the HIT.

* The system gives you the wavy-letters test every fifty HITs or so to
make sure you're not a 'bot or script. Click "Automatically accept the
next HIT" every time this happens.

* If you use Google Earth to double-check anomalies, make sure you
check the .kml file specified in the HIT. So far we've got at least
two different .kml files in play, and maybe more.

Keep chugging, these HITs aren't going to do themselves.

Thanks, Bob K.

[Bob Kuykendall]

I see that they now have fresh satellite images of the search area in
the following .kml file:

http://s3.amazonaws.com/Fossett-GE-3/Geo_Eye_3/index.kml

The new images are a three-pass swath of the eastern edge of the
Sierra, including parts of Ebbett's Pass (Highway 4) and Sonora Pass
(Highway 108). These areas include some heavily timbered areas - the
sort of places that can easily conceal airplane wreckage.

Thanks, Bob K.

[P Ilatus]

GE findings can be entered in this webpage: http://www.violentski
es.com/search-for-steve-fossett/index.html

on submitting two sightings today, i refreshed the
coordinates entry page after a few minutes and saw
that someone had checked the location i entered and
posted a comment.




At 19:36 20 September 2007, Bob Kuykendall wrote:
>I see that they now have fresh satellite images of
>the search area in
>the following .kml file:
>
>http://s3.amazonaws.com/Fossett-GE-3/Geo_Eye_3/index.kml
>
>The new images are a three-pass swath of the eastern
>edge of the
>Sierra, including parts of Ebbett's Pass (Highway 4)
>and Sonora Pass
>(Highway 108). These areas include some heavily timbered
>areas - the
>sort of places that can easily conceal airplane wreckage.
>
>Thanks, Bob K.
>
>