ATC failure in Memphis

[Mxsmanic]

See

http://us.cnn.com/2007/US/09/25/memphis.air.snafu/index.html

Was it truly an accident? It sure happens at a convenient time for those who
want to fuel the argument that there's something wrong with ATC. However, the
incident could be used for both pro and con arguments, depending on how it is
spun, i.e., one could argue that "ATC lacks the resources it needs," or that
"ATC needs to be replaced by something new."

[A Guy Called Tyketto]

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In rec.aviation.piloting Mxsmanic > wrote:
> See
>
> http://us.cnn.com/2007/US/09/25/memphis.air.snafu/index.html
>
> Was it truly an accident? It sure happens at a convenient time for those who
> want to fuel the argument that there's something wrong with ATC. However, the
> incident could be used for both pro and con arguments, depending on how it is
> spun, i.e., one could argue that "ATC lacks the resources it needs," or that
> "ATC needs to be replaced by something new."

One, it doesn't matter to you, since you don't fly.

Two, things like this happen. Wildfires in SoCal and Palmdale
come to mind. That's why there are LOAs in place with adjacent sectors
to handle things like this.

IF you do the research you say you do, you'd know and realize
this.

BL.
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[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> See
>
> http://us.cnn.com/2007/US/09/25/memphis.air.snafu/index.html
>
> Was it truly an accident? It sure happens at a convenient time for
> those who want to fuel the argument that there's something wrong with
> ATC. However, the incident could be used for both pro and con
> arguments, depending on how it is spun, i.e., one could argue that
> "ATC lacks the resources it needs," or that "ATC needs to be replaced
> by something new."
>

Doesn't matter to you since you don't fly and never will


Bertie

[Craig Welch]

Mxsmanic wrote:
> See
>
> http://us.cnn.com/2007/US/09/25/memphis.air.snafu/index.html
>
> Was it truly an accident? It sure happens at a convenient time for those who
> want to fuel the argument that there's something wrong with ATC. However, the
> incident could be used for both pro and con arguments, depending on how it is
> spun, i.e., one could argue that "ATC lacks the resources it needs," or that
> "ATC needs to be replaced by something new."

Huh? Failures such as this happen ...

--
Craig

[Denny]

ATC failed due to commercial phone lines going down, so we need to
replace ATC <????>

How simply about replacing the part that failed with something more
robust..

I can see us spending 10 billion dollars for a whole new ATC structure
- that still depends on Ma Bell's 1912 phone lines...

denny

[Craig Welch]

Viperdoc wrote:

> Hey Anthony, we get CNN here in the states- you don't need to re-post stuff
> that's already on the news.

Do you suffer from the view that all readers of this newsgroup
are 'here in the states [sic]'?

--
Craig

[Mxsmanic]

A Guy Called Tyketto writes:

> One, it doesn't matter to you, since you don't fly.

True, but many people on these groups do fly.

> Two, things like this happen. Wildfires in SoCal and Palmdale
> come to mind. That's why there are LOAs in place with adjacent sectors
> to handle things like this.

I don't think CNN bothered to mention that.

> IF you do the research you say you do, you'd know and realize
> this.

I'm not the one who controls or influences the money or the policy of U.S.
aviation. You might want to share your research with those who do.

[Mxsmanic]

Craig Welch writes:

> Huh? Failures such as this happen ...

Sure, but you can spin failures many ways.

[Mxsmanic]

Viperdoc writes:

> Hey Anthony, we get CNN here in the states- you don't need to re-post stuff
> that's already on the news.

There are many people on USENET besides those in the (United) States.

[Mxsmanic]

Viperdoc writes:

> Anthony (the OP) is an ex-pat American who lives in France. He is not a
> pilot or physician, but likes to offer up pronouncements on a wide range of
> topics, including breast feeding. A few months ago he asked if a Baron had
> an ejection seat. Now, he is a self proclaimed expert.

An excellent example of an attempt at spin. Now apply that same principle to
the topic under discussion.

[Mxsmanic]

Denny writes:

> ATC failed due to commercial phone lines going down, so we need to
> replace ATC <????>

No, the argument would be along the lines of ATC being fragile and dangerous,
either because it needs more people/money, or because it is outdated and needs
to be replaced with Something New (depending on which ax you are grinding).

> I can see us spending 10 billion dollars for a whole new ATC structure
> - that still depends on Ma Bell's 1912 phone lines...

Ma Bell built telephone lines to be very robust indeed; its successors are not
so conscientious, unfortunately. In fact, Ma Bell went well beyond that (cf.
AUTOVON).

[Viperdoc]

> Sure, but you can spin failures many ways.

Anthony, look at yourself as an example.

[[email protected]]

In rec.aviation.piloting Mxsmanic > wrote:
> Denny writes:

> > ATC failed due to commercial phone lines going down, so we need to
> > replace ATC <????>

> No, the argument would be along the lines of ATC being fragile and dangerous,
> either because it needs more people/money, or because it is outdated and needs
> to be replaced with Something New (depending on which ax you are grinding).

> > I can see us spending 10 billion dollars for a whole new ATC structure
> > - that still depends on Ma Bell's 1912 phone lines...

> Ma Bell built telephone lines to be very robust indeed; its successors are not
> so conscientious, unfortunately. In fact, Ma Bell went well beyond that (cf.
> AUTOVON).

AUTOVON used ordinary phone lines usually, but not always, dedicated to
the military.

The lines used were, for the most part, routed around major cities to
avoid system destruction in a major attack.

Other than that, there wasn't much special about it.

--
Jim Pennino

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[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> Denny writes:
>
>> ATC failed due to commercial phone lines going down, so we need to
>> replace ATC <????>
>
> No, the argument would be along the lines of ATC being fragile and
> dangerous, either because it needs more people/money, or because it is
> outdated and needs to be replaced with Something New (depending on
> which ax you are grinding).

You have no idea hwatsoever of which you speak.

Fjukwit


Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> Craig Welch writes:
>
>> Huh? Failures such as this happen ...
>
> Sure, but you can spin failures many ways.
>

As we all can see. (not including you fjukkwit)

Bertie

[A Guy Called Tyketto]

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In rec.aviation.piloting Mxsmanic > wrote:
> A Guy Called Tyketto writes:
>
>> One, it doesn't matter to you, since you don't fly.
>
> True, but many people on these groups do fly.

The only true statement you've said in either newsgroup.

>> Two, things like this happen. Wildfires in SoCal and Palmdale
>> come to mind. That's why there are LOAs in place with adjacent sectors
>> to handle things like this.
>
> I don't think CNN bothered to mention that.

You actually think Continuous Negative News is going to go into
that? If so, you take them for granted. They are only going to tell the
public what they need to know. And the commercial flying public don't
give a damn about LOAs between ATC sectors in US airspace. They only
care about if it affects the flight they're on. If it doesn't, it isn't
their concern.

>> IF you do the research you say you do, you'd know and realize
>> this.
>
> I'm not the one who controls or influences the money or the policy of U.S.
> aviation. You might want to share your research with those who do.

Why should I? You're just going to tell me that it doesn't
square to what you've learned, and when asked about it, you tell us to
do our own research. So why should I share with others what you
wouldn't if you were in my position?

BL.
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[Mxsmanic]

A Guy Called Tyketto writes:

> You actually think Continuous Negative News is going to go into
> that?

No, but since they don't, most people won't know about it--and so it won't
have any effect on the opinions of those who don't know. And a lot of those
people who don't know will vote.

> If so, you take them for granted. They are only going to tell the
> public what they need to know.

The voting public.

> And the commercial flying public don't give a damn about LOAs between
> ATC sectors in US airspace. They only care about if it affects the
> flight they're on. If it doesn't, it isn't their concern.

That's right. So after watching the report, it will seem to them that ATC
screwed up, which either means that ATC needs more resources, or that ATC
needs to be eliminated, depending on which spin they accept.

> Why should I?

Because you may not be able to fly one day if you don't.

[Mxsmanic]

Frank F. Matthews writes:

> Why would a phone switching failure imply a problem with ATC.

Because a journalist, or some other person with a motive to spin the story,
says so.

[FredGarvinMaleProstitute]

Mxsmanic wrote:
> Frank F. Matthews writes:
>
>> Why would a phone switching failure imply a problem with ATC.
>
> Because a journalist, or some other person with a motive to spin the story,
> says so.

The FAA "HAD" microwave link redundancy to all their ARTCC
locations.

In the infinite wisdom of ignorant unqualified FAA bean
counters in Washington with their head up the ass of
contractors they decided to go single threaded with just
big business phone company's for ARTCC communications to
LIVE AIR TRAFFIC

At one time the FAA had communication redundancy at their
major control centers like Memphis. Now they don't. But hey
they got plenty of Diversity and Civil rights staff in the
FAA. But no redundancy for ATC communications in major
control centers.

Just ****ing stupid. No more no less. Typical Government.
Clueless and incompetent and misguided priorities.

See Katrina and FEMA

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> A Guy Called Tyketto writes:
>
>> You actually think Continuous Negative News is going to go into
>> that?
>
> No, but since they don't, most people won't know about it--and so it
> won't have any effect on the opinions of those who don't know. And a
> lot of those people who don't know will vote.
>
>> If so, you take them for granted. They are only going to tell the
>> public what they need to know.
>
> The voting public.
>
>> And the commercial flying public don't give a damn about LOAs between
>> ATC sectors in US airspace. They only care about if it affects the
>> flight they're on. If it doesn't, it isn't their concern.
>
> That's right. So after watching the report, it will seem to them that
> ATC screwed up, which either means that ATC needs more resources, or
> that ATC needs to be eliminated, depending on which spin they accept.
>
>> Why should I?
>
> Because you may not be able to fly one day if you don't.
>



I'll always be able to fly, fjukktard


Mainly because I know how to.




Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> Viperdoc writes:
>
>> Anthony (the OP) is an ex-pat American who lives in France. He is not
>> a pilot or physician, but likes to offer up pronouncements on a wide
>> range of topics, including breast feeding. A few months ago he asked
>> if a Baron had an ejection seat. Now, he is a self proclaimed expert.
>
> An excellent example of an attempt at spin. Now apply that same
> principle to the topic under discussion.
>



It'sa not spin, it's a fact.


Just like the fact that you don't know what you're talking about and the
fact that you are an idiot


Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> Viperdoc writes:
>
>> Hey Anthony, we get CNN here in the states- you don't need to re-post
>> stuff that's already on the news.
>
> There are many people on USENET besides those in the (United) States.
>



So what?

Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> Frank F. Matthews writes:
>
>> Why would a phone switching failure imply a problem with ATC.
>
> Because a journalist, or some other person with a motive to spin the
> story, says so.
>



Unlike you who has no interest in it at all.

Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

FredGarvinMaleProstitute > wrote in
:

> Mxsmanic wrote:
>> Frank F. Matthews writes:
>>
>>> Why would a phone switching failure imply a problem with ATC.
>>
>> Because a journalist, or some other person with a motive to spin the
>> story, says so.
>
> The FAA "HAD" microwave link redundancy to all their ARTCC
> locations.
>
> In the infinite wisdom of ignorant unqualified FAA bean
> counters in Washington with their head up the ass of
> contractors they decided to go single threaded with just
> big business phone company's for ARTCC communications to
> LIVE AIR TRAFFIC
>
> At one time the FAA had communication redundancy at their
> major control centers like Memphis. Now they don't. But hey
> they got plenty of Diversity and Civil rights staff in the
> FAA. But no redundancy for ATC communications in major
> control centers.
>
> Just ****ing stupid. No more no less. Typical Government.
> Clueless and incompetent and misguided priorities.
>
> See Katrina and FEMA
>

Wow, a graveyard spiral of dummity. This could get interesting. I haven't
seen stupidity reach critical mass since Tarver and Ralphie left usenet.

Bertie

[JA_MORAN]

what about backup systems
a Microwave point to point could work, how about different feeds from
different circuits? or a SAtellite dish...



Mxsmanic wrote:
> See
>
> http://us.cnn.com/2007/US/09/25/memphis.air.snafu/index.html
>
> Was it truly an accident? It sure happens at a convenient time for those who
> want to fuel the argument that there's something wrong with ATC. However, the
> incident could be used for both pro and con arguments, depending on how it is
> spun, i.e., one could argue that "ATC lacks the resources it needs," or that
> "ATC needs to be replaced by something new."

[Mxsmanic]

Nomen Nescio writes:

> Did you just learn a new word? "Spin" is in every post you've made, today.

The article is all about spin, not facts.

[Mxsmanic]

JA_MORAN writes:

> what about backup systems
> a Microwave point to point could work, how about different feeds from
> different circuits? or a SAtellite dish...

Back-up systems can only work if they exist.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> JA_MORAN writes:
>
>> what about backup systems
>> a Microwave point to point could work, how about different feeds from
>> different circuits? or a SAtellite dish...
>
> Back-up systems can only work if they exist.
>

TGhey do, idiot.


I've been in a complete ATC system failure (not in the US, BTW) and guess
what, everone landed, no problem


You're an idiot.


Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> Nomen Nescio writes:
>
>> Did you just learn a new word? "Spin" is in every post you've made,
>> today.
>
> The article is all about spin, not facts.
>

You wouldn't know a fact if it bit your big fat ass, fjukktard


bertie

[FredGarvinMaleProstitute]

Mxsmanic wrote:
> JA_MORAN writes:
>
>> what about backup systems
>> a Microwave point to point could work, how about different feeds from
>> different circuits? or a SAtellite dish...
>
> Back-up systems can only work if they exist.

I explained the backup issue in a previous response. The FAA
"Had" microwave backup until the unqualified idiots decided
they did not need it and went single threaded with outside
contractors(Telco).

Current FAA Management is clueless about technical issues
and redundancy because they have filled their ranks with
bean counters and minorities who are unqualified to meet
diversity edicts handed down by feminist man hater goon
squads in D.C.

Your "Vagina" management at work. Emotional and illogical
and vindictive. Hillary in 08? God help us all.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

FredGarvinMaleProstitute > wrote in
:

> Mxsmanic wrote:
>> JA_MORAN writes:
>>
>>> what about backup systems
>>> a Microwave point to point could work, how about different feeds from
>>> different circuits? or a SAtellite dish...
>>
>> Back-up systems can only work if they exist.
>
> I explained the backup issue in a previous response. The FAA
> "Had" microwave backup until the unqualified idiots decided
> they did not need it and went single threaded with outside
> contractors(Telco).
>
> Current FAA Management is clueless about technical issues

Actually, it's you who are clueless about tech matters, but don't let me
stop you making an asshole out of yourself!

Not that anything could stop ya.

Bertie

[ManhattanMan]

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
> you making an asshole out of yourself!


I think his moniker sez it all concerning this subject... d:->))

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

"ManhattanMan" > wrote in news:Vf7Li.95$pX5.25
@newsfe14.lga:

> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>> you making an asshole out of yourself!
>
>
> I think his moniker sez it all concerning this subject... d:->))
>
>
>

Which one? He's having a litle back patting party there al by hisself.

Bertie

[Nobody]

JA_MORAN wrote:
> what about backup systems
> a Microwave point to point could work, how about different feeds from
> different circuits? or a SAtellite dish...


Microwave only has limited range, so you need to build a network of
repeaters/towers. And both microwave and satellite can be affected by
bad weather (heavy snow, heavy rain).

[JA_MORAN]

true however on most areas there are tall structures, hills, or
moutnains where repeaters can be setup.

they said the failure was due to a phone circuit. all you would need to
do would be to microwave to a point up to 30 miles away where you can
then patch into an alternate circuit

the FAA already had a microwave network in place... if you drive by any
of the center facilities, you will see at least one microwave antenna

also most sectors have some military radar coverage. I know in Phoenix
thhere have been a few problems with center radar and the Luke Air force
Bace(KLUF) was able to assist.

JOHN


Nobody wrote:
> JA_MORAN wrote:
>
>> what about backup systems
>> a Microwave point to point could work, how about different feeds from
>> different circuits? or a SAtellite dish...
>
>
>
> Microwave only has limited range, so you need to build a network of
> repeaters/towers. And both microwave and satellite can be affected by
> bad weather (heavy snow, heavy rain).

[Password]

JA_MORAN wrote:
> true however on most areas there are tall structures, hills, or
> moutnains where repeaters can be setup.
>
> they said the failure was due to a phone circuit. all you would need to
> do would be to microwave to a point up to 30 miles away where you can
> then patch into an alternate circuit
>
> the FAA already had a microwave network in place... if you drive by any
> of the center facilities, you will see at least one microwave antenna
>
> also most sectors have some military radar coverage. I know in Phoenix
> thhere have been a few problems with center radar and the Luke Air force
> Bace(KLUF) was able to assist.
>
> JOHN
>
>
> Nobody wrote:
>> JA_MORAN wrote:
>>
>>> what about backup systems
>>> a Microwave point to point could work, how about different feeds from
>>> different circuits? or a SAtellite dish...
>>
>>
>>
>> Microwave only has limited range, so you need to build a network of
>> repeaters/towers. And both microwave and satellite can be affected by
>> bad weather (heavy snow, heavy rain).

The microwave back-up in the FAA was called RCL(Radio
Communication Link)before the FAA canned it. The dip ****s
in FAA management decided to kiss the ass of big business
and go with phone companies. The hell with air safety just
kiss that contractor ass and **** away that tax payer money.

[Judah]

FredGarvinMaleProstitute > wrote in news:uk6Li.234
:

> I explained the backup issue in a previous response. The FAA
> "Had" microwave backup until the unqualified idiots decided
> they did not need it and went single threaded with outside
> contractors(Telco).

Didn't they have cell phones? Didn't they use them?

What makes microwaves better than cell phones?

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Password > wrote in
:

> JA_MORAN wrote:
>> true however on most areas there are tall structures, hills, or
>> moutnains where repeaters can be setup.
>>
>> they said the failure was due to a phone circuit. all you would need
>> to do would be to microwave to a point up to 30 miles away where you
>> can then patch into an alternate circuit
>>
>> the FAA already had a microwave network in place... if you drive by
>> any of the center facilities, you will see at least one microwave
>> antenna
>>
>> also most sectors have some military radar coverage. I know in
>> Phoenix thhere have been a few problems with center radar and the
>> Luke Air force Bace(KLUF) was able to assist.
>>
>> JOHN
>>
>>
>> Nobody wrote:
>>> JA_MORAN wrote:
>>>
>>>> what about backup systems
>>>> a Microwave point to point could work, how about different feeds
>>>> from different circuits? or a SAtellite dish...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Microwave only has limited range, so you need to build a network of
>>> repeaters/towers. And both microwave and satellite can be affected
>>> by bad weather (heavy snow, heavy rain).
>
> The microwave back-up in the FAA was called RCL(Radio
> Communication Link)before the FAA canned it. The dip ****s
> in FAA management decided to kiss the ass of big business
> and go with phone companies. The hell with air safety just
> kiss that contractor ass and **** away that tax payer money.
>


So what?

You stil hve no idea what you are talking about.

Bertie

[[email protected]]

In rec.aviation.piloting Judah > wrote:
> FredGarvinMaleProstitute > wrote in news:uk6Li.234
> :

> > I explained the backup issue in a previous response. The FAA
> > "Had" microwave backup until the unqualified idiots decided
> > they did not need it and went single threaded with outside
> > contractors(Telco).

> Didn't they have cell phones? Didn't they use them?

> What makes microwaves better than cell phones?

The phone lines carry more than voice.

--
Jim Pennino

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[Nobody]

Judah wrote:
> What makes microwaves better than cell phones?


The RadarRange in the control tower can also cook turkeys :-)

[Nobody]

Password wrote:
> Communication Link)before the FAA canned it. The dip ****s
> in FAA management decided to kiss the ass of big business
> and go with phone companies. The hell with air safety just
> kiss that contractor ass and **** away that tax payer money.


I am not privy to the arguments used, but you should note that most
telcos have also replaced microwave links with optical fibre. For one
thing, it isn't affect by weather and it carries a hell of a lot more
data/voice than microwave can.

If the microwave equipment used by FAA was antiquated analogue stuff,
they would have needed to replace it with more modern (but still
limited) digital stuff and the costs might have been much higher than
that of using telco infrastructure.

Having said that, for a mission critical system (and a control tower
would be considered that), you would want two separate lines out of two
different locations in your building going to 2 different carriers. This
would prevent any single backhoe from cutting off your telecom
infrastructure.

[JGalban via AviationKB.com]

Judah wrote:
>
>What makes microwaves better than cell phones?

You can't warm up last night's pizza on a cellphone :-)))

John Galban=====>N4BQ (PA28-180)

--
Message posted via http://www.aviationkb.com

[Judah]

Nobody > wrote in news:82f4f$46fd7b39$cef8887a$9237
@TEKSAVVY.COM:

> Judah wrote:
>> What makes microwaves better than cell phones?
>
>
> The RadarRange in the control tower can also cook turkeys :-)

The Radar is a different system than the Microwave.

Besides, I can make a pteredactil with a nice sheet of greenbar.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

"Viperdoc" > wrote in
:

> He probably understands spin from sitting in his desk chair while
> playing on the computer.
>
>
>

Wheeee!

Bertie

[Password]

Judah wrote:
> FredGarvinMaleProstitute > wrote in news:uk6Li.234
> :
>
>> I explained the backup issue in a previous response. The FAA
>> "Had" microwave backup until the unqualified idiots decided
>> they did not need it and went single threaded with outside
>> contractors(Telco).
>
> Didn't they have cell phones? Didn't they use them?
>
> What makes microwaves better than cell phones?

Cell phones in a dark radar room with dozens of controllers
controlling air traffic? You are kidding right?

ATC just don't work that way. The microwave link is a
redundant path to the remote communication sites that
communicate from air to ground and ground to air. It's just
a communication path through the air using microwaves when
the telco fails. The remote VHF or better known as RCAG
sites (Remote Communication Air to Ground) are just keyed
and accessed through phone lines and most WERE also
available to be accessed through back-up FAA microwave links.

It's all about redundancy and not depending on one single
mode of operation. The FAA got rid of most of that
redundancy in favor of big business(MCI and AT&T) and Civil
Rights staffs that travel to Las Vegas and talk bad about
white men all day while drunk.

The culture and priorities in the FAA are twisted and
skewed.

Political Correctness-Tyranny with Manners
"Stop Kissing the Black Ass"
FAA EEO

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Password > wrote in
:

> Judah wrote:
>> FredGarvinMaleProstitute > wrote in
>> news:uk6Li.234 :
>>
>>> I explained the backup issue in a previous response. The FAA
>>> "Had" microwave backup until the unqualified idiots decided
>>> they did not need it and went single threaded with outside
>>> contractors(Telco).
>>
>> Didn't they have cell phones? Didn't they use them?
>>
>> What makes microwaves better than cell phones?
>
> Cell phones in a dark radar room with dozens of controllers
> controlling air traffic? You are kidding right?
>
> ATC just don't work that way. The microwave link is a
> redundant path to the remote communication sites that
> communicate from air to ground and ground to air. It's just
> a communication path through the air using microwaves when
> the telco fails. The remote VHF or better known as RCAG
> sites (Remote Communication Air to Ground) are just keyed
> and accessed through phone lines and most WERE also
> available to be accessed through back-up FAA microwave links.
>
> It's all about redundancy and not depending on one single
> mode of operation. The FAA got rid of most of that
> redundancy in favor of big business(MCI and AT&T) and Civil
> Rights staffs that travel to Las Vegas and talk bad about
> white men all day while drunk.


Whoowh!


No way you're a sockuppe, eh ?

Bwawhahwhahwhahwhahwhhahwhahwhahwhahhwhahw!



Bertie

[Judah]

Password > wrote in news:g9gLi.156$T61.93
@newsfe06.lga:

> It's all about redundancy and not depending on one single
> mode of operation. The FAA got rid of most of that
> redundancy in favor of big business(MCI and AT&T) and Civil
> Rights staffs that travel to Las Vegas and talk bad about
> white men all day while drunk.

So what does that have to do with your "kissing the black ass"? Are MCI and
AT&T black asses? Do you think Marion Blakely made the decision personally?

Certainly the private sector would do much better with the responsibility for
keeping air traffic safe, right?

After all, look how well Lockheed is doing with FSS!

[Password]

Judah wrote:
> Password > wrote in news:g9gLi.156$T61.93
> @newsfe06.lga:
>
>> It's all about redundancy and not depending on one single
>> mode of operation. The FAA got rid of most of that
>> redundancy in favor of big business(MCI and AT&T) and Civil
>> Rights staffs that travel to Las Vegas and talk bad about
>> white men all day while drunk.
>
> So what does that have to do with your "kissing the black ass"? Are MCI and
> AT&T black asses? Do you think Marion Blakely made the decision personally?
>
> Certainly the private sector would do much better with the responsibility for
> keeping air traffic safe, right?
>
> After all, look how well Lockheed is doing with FSS!
>
>

It actually has a lot to do with it. You have a dollar in
your pocket. Now out of that dollar you must eat and provide
critical personal needs like rent and sanitation. What is
left over is for entertainment and personal use.

Enter the FAA. The FAA only has so much money each year. The
FAA can choose to spend that money on Air Safety and
controllers and technicians or the FAA can expand civil
rights staffs and hold diversity conferences in Las Vegas.

What should the FAA do with YOUR tax money? Expand critical
air traffic functions or hold diversity conferences in Las
Vegas at resort casinos?

Under FEMALE leadership the FAA has decided to CUT
controller pay and staffing and REDUCE spending on technical
redundancy(See massive Memphis ATC communication outage
recently) but EXPAND civil rights staffs and INCREASE
Diversity conferences at Las Vegas resort casinos.

You tell me? How is "Kissing the Black Ass" (Diversity
conferences) not related to air safety? If you prioritize
your money for diversity conferences rather than air safety
does it not mean "Kissing the Black Ass" indirectly
contributes to the degradation of air safety and the huge
increase in airline delays?

Right now as we speak new student Air Traffic controllers
and technicians are living on food stamps at the FAA Academy
in Oklahoma City due to budget cuts but you are sending
blacks and women by the hundreds to Las Vegas and other
locations to **** off and drink and talk bad about whitey
and men on the FAA dime.

You tell me? Are the FAA priorities a little skewed toward
politically correct tyranny? We have record delays in the
airline industry but the FAA can afford to send minorities
and women to resort casinos under the banner of "Diversity"?

And you wonder why Government is so screwed up? Put a
microscope on the FAA budget and you will see WASTE by the
MILLIONS. All in the name of "Kissing the Black Ass"
and "Diversity"

And GOD help any prudent white male or any other person who
speaks out about it. That person will be rapidly ostracized
and labeled racist and their career ruined by the PC police.
(Mostly FemiNazi's and Blacks) Just like Red China during
the communist revolution it won't be long before Government
employees are wearing little red PC stickers on their clothes.

Political Correctness-Tyranny with Manners
FAA EEO

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Password > wrote in
:

> Judah wrote:
>> Password > wrote in news:g9gLi.156$T61.93
>> @newsfe06.lga:
>>
>>> It's all about redundancy and not depending on one single
>>> mode of operation. The FAA got rid of most of that
>>> redundancy in favor of big business(MCI and AT&T) and Civil
>>> Rights staffs that travel to Las Vegas and talk bad about
>>> white men all day while drunk.
>>
>> So what does that have to do with your "kissing the black ass"? Are
>> MCI and AT&T black asses? Do you think Marion Blakely made the
>> decision personally?
>>
>> Certainly the private sector would do much better with the
>> responsibility for keeping air traffic safe, right?
>>
>> After all, look how well Lockheed is doing with FSS!
>>
>>
>
> It actually has a lot to do with it. You have a dollar in
> your pocket. Now out of that dollar you must eat and provide
> critical personal needs like rent and sanitation. What is
> left over is for entertainment and personal use.
>
> Enter the FAA. The FAA only has so much money each year. The
> FAA can choose to spend that money on Air Safety and
> controllers and technicians or the FAA can expand civil
> rights staffs and hold diversity conferences in Las Vegas.
>
> What should the FAA do with YOUR tax money? Expand critical
> air traffic functions or hold diversity conferences in Las
> Vegas at resort casinos?
>
> Under FEMALE leadership the FAA has decided to CUT
> controller pay and staffing and REDUCE spending on technical
> redundancy(See massive Memphis ATC communication outage
> recently) but EXPAND civil rights staffs and INCREASE
> Diversity conferences at Las Vegas resort casinos.
>
> You tell me? How is "Kissing the Black Ass" (Diversity
> conferences) not related to air safety? If you prioritize
> your money for diversity conferences rather than air safety
> does it not mean "Kissing the Black Ass" indirectly
> contributes to the degradation of air safety and the huge
> increase in airline delays?
>
> Right now as we speak new student Air Traffic controllers
> and technicians are living on food stamps at the FAA Academy
> in Oklahoma City due to budget cuts but you are sending
> blacks and women by the hundreds to Las Vegas and other
> locations to **** off and drink and talk bad about whitey
> and men on the FAA dime.
>
> You tell me? Are the FAA priorities a little skewed toward
> politically correct tyranny? We have record delays in the
> airline industry but the FAA can afford to send minorities
> and women to resort casinos under the banner of "Diversity"?
>
> And you wonder why Government is so screwed up? Put a
> microscope on the FAA budget and you will see WASTE by the
> MILLIONS. All in the name of "Kissing the Black Ass"
> and "Diversity"
>
> And GOD help any prudent white male or any other person who
> speaks out about it. That person will be rapidly ostracized
> and labeled racist and their career ruined by the PC police.
> (Mostly FemiNazi's and Blacks) Just like Red China during
> the communist revolution it won't be long before Government
> employees are wearing little red PC stickers on their clothes.
>
> Political Correctness-Tyranny with Manners



Actually, potical correctness is just that, being correct.


For instance it would be correct to say you are an asshole with
teeth,assuming of course, you have teeth.


Bertie

[WAYNE]

On Sep 29, 1:24 pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> Password > wrote :
>
>
>
>
>
> > Judah wrote:
> >> Password > wrote in news:g9gLi.156$T61.93
> >> @newsfe06.lga:
>
> >>> It's all about redundancy and not depending on one single
> >>> mode of operation. The FAA got rid of most of that
> >>> redundancy in favor of big business(MCI and AT&T) and Civil
> >>> Rights staffs that travel to Las Vegas and talk bad about
> >>> white men all day while drunk.
>
> >> So what does that have to do with your "kissing the black ass"? Are
> >> MCI and AT&T black asses? Do you think Marion Blakely made the
> >> decision personally?
>
> >> Certainly the private sector would do much better with the
> >> responsibility for keeping air traffic safe, right?
>
> >> After all, look how well Lockheed is doing with FSS!
>
> > It actually has a lot to do with it. You have a dollar in
> > your pocket. Now out of that dollar you must eat and provide
> > critical personal needs like rent and sanitation. What is
> > left over is for entertainment and personal use.
>
> > Enter the FAA. The FAA only has so much money each year. The
> > FAA can choose to spend that money on Air Safety and
> > controllers and technicians or the FAA can expand civil
> > rights staffs and hold diversity conferences in Las Vegas.
>
> > What should the FAA do with YOUR tax money? Expand critical
> > air traffic functions or hold diversity conferences in Las
> > Vegas at resort casinos?
>
> > Under FEMALE leadership the FAA has decided to CUT
> > controller pay and staffing and REDUCE spending on technical
> > redundancy(See massive Memphis ATC communication outage
> > recently) but EXPAND civil rights staffs and INCREASE
> > Diversity conferences at Las Vegas resort casinos.
>
> > You tell me? How is "Kissing the Black Ass" (Diversity
> > conferences) not related to air safety? If you prioritize
> > your money for diversity conferences rather than air safety
> > does it not mean "Kissing the Black Ass" indirectly
> > contributes to the degradation of air safety and the huge
> > increase in airline delays?
>
> > Right now as we speak new student Air Traffic controllers
> > and technicians are living on food stamps at the FAA Academy
> > in Oklahoma City due to budget cuts but you are sending
> > blacks and women by the hundreds to Las Vegas and other
> > locations to **** off and drink and talk bad about whitey
> > and men on the FAA dime.
>
> > You tell me? Are the FAA priorities a little skewed toward
> > politically correct tyranny? We have record delays in the
> > airline industry but the FAA can afford to send minorities
> > and women to resort casinos under the banner of "Diversity"?
>
> > And you wonder why Government is so screwed up? Put a
> > microscope on the FAA budget and you will see WASTE by the
> > MILLIONS. All in the name of "Kissing the Black Ass"
> > and "Diversity"
>
> > And GOD help any prudent white male or any other person who
> > speaks out about it. That person will be rapidly ostracized
> > and labeled racist and their career ruined by the PC police.
> > (Mostly FemiNazi's and Blacks) Just like Red China during
> > the communist revolution it won't be long before Government
> > employees are wearing little red PC stickers on their clothes.
>
> > Political Correctness-Tyranny with Manners
>
> Actually, potical correctness is just that, being correct.
>
> For instance it would be correct to say you are an asshole with
> teeth,assuming of course, you have teeth.
>
> Bertie- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

>Damm I like that one,Reminds me of some of the pepole I know .."ATC"LOL

[Judah]

Password > wrote in
:

> Enter the FAA. The FAA only has so much money each year. The
> FAA can choose to spend that money on Air Safety and
> controllers and technicians or the FAA can expand civil
> rights staffs and hold diversity conferences in Las Vegas.

My guess is that if there were no racists left in the FAA, they would no
longer feel the need to support diversity conferences. You must still have
some friends left at your old workplace.

> What should the FAA do with YOUR tax money? Expand critical
> air traffic functions or hold diversity conferences in Las
> Vegas at resort casinos?

Can you tell me exactly how much the FAA spent on this diversity
conference? Oh, and were there any vendors or sponsors there?

> You tell me? How is "Kissing the Black Ass" (Diversity
> conferences) not related to air safety? If you prioritize
> your money for diversity conferences rather than air safety
> does it not mean "Kissing the Black Ass" indirectly
> contributes to the degradation of air safety and the huge
> increase in airline delays?

Exactly what percentage of the FAA budget was spent on diversity
conferences in Vegas as compared with air safety?

> Right now as we speak new student Air Traffic controllers
> and technicians are living on food stamps at the FAA Academy
> in Oklahoma City due to budget cuts but you are sending
> blacks and women by the hundreds to Las Vegas and other
> locations to **** off and drink and talk bad about whitey
> and men on the FAA dime.

If they are students, they aren't working yet. If they aren't working yet,
do you think they should be paid salaries?

> And you wonder why Government is so screwed up? Put a
> microscope on the FAA budget and you will see WASTE by the
> MILLIONS. All in the name of "Kissing the Black Ass"
> and "Diversity"

As compared with Lockheed, I think the Government is doing a fair job.
Certainly it could be better, but there are a lot of agendas out there. I
don't think the "kissing the black ass" agenda holds nearly as much blame
as the "give airlines whatever they want" agenda...

> And GOD help any prudent white male or any other person who
> speaks out about it. That person will be rapidly ostracized
> and labeled racist and their career ruined by the PC police.
> (Mostly FemiNazi's and Blacks) Just like Red China during
> the communist revolution it won't be long before Government
> employees are wearing little red PC stickers on their clothes.

The poor oppressed white male. I feel so sorry for this social minority
group. You should contact the ACLU for assistance.

[Password]

Judah wrote:
> Password > wrote in
> :
>
>> Enter the FAA. The FAA only has so much money each year. The
>> FAA can choose to spend that money on Air Safety and
>> controllers and technicians or the FAA can expand civil
>> rights staffs and hold diversity conferences in Las Vegas.
>
> My guess is that if there were no racists left in the FAA, they would no
> longer feel the need to support diversity conferences. You must still have
> some friends left at your old workplace.

Define racist? Is giving critical safety jobs to unqualified
minorities under the guise of diversity not racist? Is
lowering standards at the FAA academy so more women and
blacks can pass the technical courses not racist? Does that
not lower the standards and destroy the fabric of the FAA?
>
>> What should the FAA do with YOUR tax money? Expand critical
>> air traffic functions or hold diversity conferences in Las
>> Vegas at resort casinos?
>
> Can you tell me exactly how much the FAA spent on this diversity
> conference? Oh, and were there any vendors or sponsors there?

No I can't. But you can reference this link.

There should be NO money spent on diversity conferences(Bash
white males orgy)Just ONE event that is designed to ridicule
and ostracize any social group is the equivalent of a bad
apple. It eventually rots the entire HR barrel. IOW, there
should be NO money spent on negative stuff that is reverse
racist(Diversity and Affirmative action)and that places any
group above another. Not one red cent.
>
>> You tell me? How is "Kissing the Black Ass" (Diversity
>> conferences) not related to air safety? If you prioritize
>> your money for diversity conferences rather than air safety
>> does it not mean "Kissing the Black Ass" indirectly
>> contributes to the degradation of air safety and the huge
>> increase in airline delays?
>
> Exactly what percentage of the FAA budget was spent on diversity
> conferences in Vegas as compared with air safety?

One cent is too much
>
>> Right now as we speak new student Air Traffic controllers
>> and technicians are living on food stamps at the FAA Academy
>> in Oklahoma City due to budget cuts but you are sending
>> blacks and women by the hundreds to Las Vegas and other
>> locations to **** off and drink and talk bad about whitey
>> and men on the FAA dime.
>
> If they are students, they aren't working yet. If they aren't working yet,
> do you think they should be paid salaries?

Are they to live in roach infested **** holes and live like
paupers and waffle house employees while they pass some of
the toughest technical courses in America? Soon those
"students" will be responsible for thousands of lives. A new
Wal-Mart employee is treated better than a student
controller or technician in the FAA
>
>> And you wonder why Government is so screwed up? Put a
>> microscope on the FAA budget and you will see WASTE by the
>> MILLIONS. All in the name of "Kissing the Black Ass"
>> and "Diversity"
>
> As compared with Lockheed, I think the Government is doing a fair job.
> Certainly it could be better, but there are a lot of agendas out there. I
> don't think the "kissing the black ass" agenda holds nearly as much blame
> as the "give airlines whatever they want" agenda...

Federal Government doing Fair job??? What drug are you on?

FAA-Record airline delays and operational errors
FEMA-See Katrina
FBI-See 9/11
DOD-See Iraq
President and Congress-See record low approval
IRS-See percentage of Americans who want it ELIMINATED
DOT-See record airline delays
DOJ-See revolving door Attorney General position
DOE-See California blackouts
HUD-See inner city war zones
DOE- See America 20th in the world in Math and Science
ICE and custom's-11 million ILLEGAL people some probably
terror sleeper cells
Treasury Department-RECORD debt and record low dollar
Etc. Etc. Etc

So, what drug is that you are on???
>
>> And GOD help any prudent white male or any other person who
>> speaks out about it. That person will be rapidly ostracized
>> and labeled racist and their career ruined by the PC police.
>> (Mostly FemiNazi's and Blacks) Just like Red China during
>> the communist revolution it won't be long before Government
>> employees are wearing little red PC stickers on their clothes.
>

As a percentage, the American Heterosexual white male is the
most disgruntled group in America. The group that is
overwhelming responsible for the advances in America and our
economy except maybe Jewish people are the most disgruntled
and ****ed off. Great news for our future huh??

> The poor oppressed white male. I feel so sorry for this social minority
> group. You should contact the ACLU for assistance.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Password > wrote in
:

> Judah wrote:
>> Password > wrote in
>> :
>>
>>> Enter the FAA. The FAA only has so much money each year. The
>>> FAA can choose to spend that money on Air Safety and
>>> controllers and technicians or the FAA can expand civil
>>> rights staffs and hold diversity conferences in Las Vegas.
>>
>> My guess is that if there were no racists left in the FAA, they would
>> no longer feel the need to support diversity conferences. You must
>> still have some friends left at your old workplace.
>
> Define racist? Is giving critical safety jobs to unqualified
> minorities under the guise of diversity not racist? Is
> lowering standards at the FAA academy so more women and
> blacks can pass the technical courses not racist? Does that
> not lower the standards and destroy the fabric of the FAA?
>>
>>> What should the FAA do with YOUR tax money? Expand critical
>>> air traffic functions or hold diversity conferences in Las
>>> Vegas at resort casinos?
>>
>> Can you tell me exactly how much the FAA spent on this diversity
>> conference? Oh, and were there any vendors or sponsors there?
>
> No I can't. But you can reference this link.
>
> There should be NO money spent on diversity conferences(Bash
> white males orgy)Just ONE event that is designed to ridicule
> and ostracize any social group is the equivalent of a bad
> apple. It eventually rots the entire HR barrel. IOW, there
> should be NO money spent on negative stuff that is reverse
> racist(Diversity and Affirmative action)and that places any
> group above another. Not one red cent.
>>
>>> You tell me? How is "Kissing the Black Ass" (Diversity
>>> conferences) not related to air safety? If you prioritize
>>> your money for diversity conferences rather than air safety
>>> does it not mean "Kissing the Black Ass" indirectly
>>> contributes to the degradation of air safety and the huge
>>> increase in airline delays?
>>
>> Exactly what percentage of the FAA budget was spent on diversity
>> conferences in Vegas as compared with air safety?
>
> One cent is too much
>>
>>> Right now as we speak new student Air Traffic controllers
>>> and technicians are living on food stamps at the FAA Academy
>>> in Oklahoma City due to budget cuts but you are sending
>>> blacks and women by the hundreds to Las Vegas and other
>>> locations to **** off and drink and talk bad about whitey
>>> and men on the FAA dime.
>>
>> If they are students, they aren't working yet. If they aren't working
>> yet, do you think they should be paid salaries?
>
> Are they to live in roach infested **** holes and live like
> paupers and waffle house employees while they pass some of
> the toughest technical courses in America? Soon those
> "students" will be responsible for thousands of lives. A new
> Wal-Mart employee is treated better than a student
> controller or technician in the FAA
>>
>>> And you wonder why Government is so screwed up? Put a
>>> microscope on the FAA budget and you will see WASTE by the
>>> MILLIONS. All in the name of "Kissing the Black Ass"
>>> and "Diversity"
>>
>> As compared with Lockheed, I think the Government is doing a fair
>> job. Certainly it could be better, but there are a lot of agendas out
>> there. I don't think the "kissing the black ass" agenda holds nearly
>> as much blame as the "give airlines whatever they want" agenda...
>
> Federal Government doing Fair job??? What drug are you on?
>
> FAA-Record airline delays and operational errors
> FEMA-See Katrina
> FBI-See 9/11
> DOD-See Iraq
> President and Congress-See record low approval
> IRS-See percentage of Americans who want it ELIMINATED
> DOT-See record airline delays
> DOJ-See revolving door Attorney General position
> DOE-See California blackouts
> HUD-See inner city war zones
> DOE- See America 20th in the world in Math and Science
> ICE and custom's-11 million ILLEGAL people some probably
> terror sleeper cells
> Treasury Department-RECORD debt and record low dollar
> Etc. Etc. Etc
>
> So, what drug is that you are on???
>>
>>> And GOD help any prudent white male or any other person who
>>> speaks out about it. That person will be rapidly ostracized
>>> and labeled racist and their career ruined by the PC police.
>>> (Mostly FemiNazi's and Blacks) Just like Red China during
>>> the communist revolution it won't be long before Government
>>> employees are wearing little red PC stickers on their clothes.
>>
>
> As a percentage, the American Heterosexual white male is the
> most disgruntled group in America.

And, apparenlty , the most psychologically disturbed

Bertie

[Judah]

Password > wrote in
:

> Define racist? Is giving critical safety jobs to unqualified
> minorities under the guise of diversity not racist? Is

What makes the minorities unqualified? The fact that they are minorities?

> No I can't. But you can reference this link.

???

> Are they to live in roach infested **** holes and live like
> paupers and waffle house employees while they pass some of
> the toughest technical courses in America? Soon those

What? They don't have parents? They can't get second jobs?

I finished college after I was already in the workforce, going to school at
night after working a full time job during the day. I had to save up a
bunch of money to get started, and then had to pay off student loans for
about 10 years after I got my degree. Although I didn't have any help from
my parents, miraculously, I didn't have to live in a roach infested ****
hole like a pauper, either.

Why should my tax dollars be used to "invest" in someone who might get the
training and decide he'd rather not do it after 6 months?

> So, what drug is that you are on???

Do you think the private sector would have done a better job?

> As a percentage, the American Heterosexual white male is the
> most disgruntled group in America. The group that is
> overwhelming responsible for the advances in America and our
> economy except maybe Jewish people are the most disgruntled
> and ****ed off. Great news for our future huh??

That depends. Sometimes the biggest breakthroughs evolve from the biggest
breakdowns.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Judah > wrote in
:

> Password > wrote in
> :
>
>> Define racist? Is giving critical safety jobs to unqualified
>> minorities under the guise of diversity not racist? Is
>
> What makes the minorities unqualified? The fact that they are
> minorities?
>
>> No I can't. But you can reference this link.
>
> ???
>
>> Are they to live in roach infested **** holes and live like
>> paupers and waffle house employees while they pass some of
>> the toughest technical courses in America? Soon those
>
> What? They don't have parents? They can't get second jobs?
>
> I finished college after I was already in the workforce, going to
> school at night after working a full time job during the day. I had to
> save up a bunch of money to get started, and then had to pay off
> student loans for about 10 years after I got my degree. Although I
> didn't have any help from my parents, miraculously, I didn't have to
> live in a roach infested **** hole like a pauper, either.
>
> Why should my tax dollars be used to "invest" in someone who might get
> the training and decide he'd rather not do it after 6 months?

Because that's life, fjukktard.


I could try and explain to you how impriving one person improves your
lot as well, but I already tried explaining it to our new pet turtle and
it took ages to get through to him, so what chance would you have?


Bertie


Bertie

[Password]

Judah wrote:
> Password > wrote in
> :
>
>> Define racist? Is giving critical safety jobs to unqualified
>> minorities under the guise of diversity not racist? Is
>
> What makes the minorities unqualified? The fact that they are minorities?
>
>> No I can't. But you can reference this link.
>
> ???
>
>> Are they to live in roach infested **** holes and live like
>> paupers and waffle house employees while they pass some of
>> the toughest technical courses in America? Soon those
>
> What? They don't have parents? They can't get second jobs?
>
> I finished college after I was already in the workforce, going to school at
> night after working a full time job during the day. I had to save up a
> bunch of money to get started, and then had to pay off student loans for
> about 10 years after I got my degree. Although I didn't have any help from
> my parents, miraculously, I didn't have to live in a roach infested ****
> hole like a pauper, either.
>
> Why should my tax dollars be used to "invest" in someone who might get the
> training and decide he'd rather not do it after 6 months?
>
>> So, what drug is that you are on???
>
> Do you think the private sector would have done a better job?
>
>> As a percentage, the American Heterosexual white male is the
>> most disgruntled group in America. The group that is
>> overwhelming responsible for the advances in America and our
>> economy except maybe Jewish people are the most disgruntled
>> and ****ed off. Great news for our future huh??
>
> That depends. Sometimes the biggest breakthroughs evolve from the biggest
> breakdowns.

The FAA Inspector General issued a report regarding
allegations of discrimination against white males on
November 6, 2006. The report is titled "FAA's Alleged
Discrimination Against White Males." Report No. E5-FA-7-004.

The Inspector General found, in part, that 82.5
percent of "FAA DOT Fellows" nominees were women and
minorities!

The DOT "Fellows" program is a special,
fast-track employee development program consisting of a
year-long leadership development program to transform GS-14
employees into "leaders" and subsequently into GS-15's
and/or Senior Executive Service employees. The GS-15 grade
level is the "creme de la creme" of federal employment.
Besides the "Senior Executive Service", GS-15 carries the
highest pay scales, benefits and power. Therefore, to be
selected for the DOT "Fellows" program is widely seen as the
capstone in the career of the "above average" government
employee.

Conversely, only 17.5 percent of the "FAA DOT
Fellows" nominees were non-minority males!

Incredibly, the tone of the Inspector General's
report was inconclusive. The IG stated: "Our review did
not find sufficient evidence that FAA discriminated against
white males in selecting women and minorities for GS-15
positions." (Translated: "Kissing the Black Ass" supersedes
what is right and moral and honorable)

The DOT IG is even in bed with the FAA "Kissing the Black
Ass" Racism is rampant in the FAA. And you wonder why we
have record airline delays??

Political Correctness-Tyranny with Manners

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Password > wrote in
:

> Judah wrote:
>> Password > wrote in
>> :
>>
>>> Define racist? Is giving critical safety jobs to unqualified
>>> minorities under the guise of diversity not racist? Is
>>
>> What makes the minorities unqualified? The fact that they are
>> minorities?
>>
>>> No I can't. But you can reference this link.
>>
>> ???
>>
>>> Are they to live in roach infested **** holes and live like
>>> paupers and waffle house employees while they pass some of
>>> the toughest technical courses in America? Soon those
>>
>> What? They don't have parents? They can't get second jobs?
>>
>> I finished college after I was already in the workforce, going to
>> school at night after working a full time job during the day. I had
>> to save up a bunch of money to get started, and then had to pay off
>> student loans for about 10 years after I got my degree. Although I
>> didn't have any help from my parents, miraculously, I didn't have to
>> live in a roach infested **** hole like a pauper, either.
>>
>> Why should my tax dollars be used to "invest" in someone who might
>> get the training and decide he'd rather not do it after 6 months?
>>
>>> So, what drug is that you are on???
>>
>> Do you think the private sector would have done a better job?
>>
>>> As a percentage, the American Heterosexual white male is the
>>> most disgruntled group in America. The group that is
>>> overwhelming responsible for the advances in America and our
>>> economy except maybe Jewish people are the most disgruntled
>>> and ****ed off. Great news for our future huh??
>>
>> That depends. Sometimes the biggest breakthroughs evolve from the
>> biggest breakdowns.
>
> The FAA Inspector General issued a report regarding
> allegations of discrimination against white males on
> November 6, 2006. The report is titled "FAA's Alleged
> Discrimination Against White Males." Report No. E5-FA-7-004.
>
> The Inspector General found, in part, that 82.5
> percent of "FAA DOT Fellows" nominees were women and
> minorities!
>
> The DOT "Fellows" program is a special,
> fast-track employee development program consisting of a
> year-long leadership development program to transform GS-14
> employees into "leaders" and subsequently into GS-15's
> and/or Senior Executive Service employees. The GS-15 grade
> level is the "creme de la creme" of federal employment.
> Besides the "Senior Executive Service", GS-15 carries the
> highest pay scales, benefits and power. Therefore, to be
> selected for the DOT "Fellows" program is widely seen as the
> capstone in the career of the "above average" government
> employee.
>
> Conversely, only 17.5 percent of the "FAA DOT
> Fellows" nominees were non-minority males!
>
> Incredibly, the tone of the Inspector General's
> report was inconclusive. The IG stated: "Our review did
> not find sufficient evidence that FAA discriminated against
> white males in selecting women and minorities for GS-15
> positions." (Translated: "Kissing the Black Ass" supersedes
> what is right and moral and honorable)
>
> The DOT IG is even in bed with the FAA "Kissing the Black
> Ass" Racism is rampant in the FAA. And you wonder why we
> have record airline delays??
>
> Political Correctness-Tyranny with Manners


Ooops, bit of froth at the corner of your mouth.

No, other side.


B ertie
>

[Judah]

Password > wrote in
:

> Incredibly, the tone of the Inspector General's
> report was inconclusive. The IG stated: "Our review did
> not find sufficient evidence that FAA discriminated against
> white males in selecting women and minorities for GS-15
> positions."

Or maybe white males didn't apply for those jobs.

[Judah]

Bertie the Bunyip > wrote in news:Xns99BBCEAA88A31****upropeeh@
207.14.116.130:

> Because that's life, fjukktard.

No it's not, fjukkwit.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Judah > wrote in news:Xns99BBA6A6CD7A4Judahnospamnet@
69.28.186.158:

> Bertie the Bunyip > wrote in news:Xns99BBCEAA88A31****upropeeh@
> 207.14.116.130:
>
>> Because that's life, fjukktard.
>
> No it's not, fjukkwit.
>



Se, told you you wouldn't understand the actual explanation

Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Judah > wrote in news:Xns99BBA53B9528BJudahnospamnet@
69.28.186.158:

> Password > wrote in
> :
>
>> Incredibly, the tone of the Inspector General's
>> report was inconclusive. The IG stated: "Our review did
>> not find sufficient evidence that FAA discriminated against
>> white males in selecting women and minorities for GS-15
>> positions."
>
> Or maybe white males didn't apply for those jobs.
>

But there are programs for the retarded. There you go, you're back on an
even footing politically

Bertie

[Judah]

Bertie the Bunyip > wrote in news:Xns99BBD6EC9B21D****upropeeh@
207.14.116.130:

> But there are programs for the retarded. There you go, you're back on an
> even footing politically

Hey - how did I end up on the wrong side of this troll war?

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Judah > wrote in
:

> Bertie the Bunyip > wrote in
> news:Xns99BBD6EC9B21D****upropeeh@ 207.14.116.130:
>
>> But there are programs for the retarded. There you go, you're back on
>> an even footing politically
>
> Hey - how did I end up on the wrong side of this troll war?
>

Dunno. Bad potty training?

Bertie

[Judah]

Bertie the Bunyip > wrote in news:Xns99BBD817B4642****upropeeh@
207.14.116.130:

> Dunno. Bad potty training?

Mebbe.

But I don't seem to be the one that craps his pants every time someone says
something he doesn't like to hear.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Judah > wrote in
:

> Bertie the Bunyip > wrote in
> news:Xns99BBD817B4642****upropeeh@ 207.14.116.130:
>
>> Dunno. Bad potty training?
>
> Mebbe.
>
> But I don't seem to be the one that craps his pants every time someone
> says something he doesn't like to hear.
Moi?

Nope, I just treat idiots like chew toys.

They usually oblige by thrashing around satisfactorily.


Bertie

[Password]

Judah wrote:
> Password > wrote in
> :
>
>> Incredibly, the tone of the Inspector General's
>> report was inconclusive. The IG stated: "Our review did
>> not find sufficient evidence that FAA discriminated against
>> white males in selecting women and minorities for GS-15
>> positions."
>
> Or maybe white males didn't apply for those jobs.

Actually they did apply in droves and were discriminated
against by reverse racist FAA PC goon squad edicts that
dictate that "Kissing the Black Ass" MUST take priority over
anything and everything.

Check this out

http://www.adversity.net/fed_stats/fednews_FAA.htm

Even though it's costing the FAA(U.S.Taxpayers)MILLIONS in
law suits they continue to plow full steam ahead "Kissing
the Black Ass" using reverse racist tactics and propaganda.

Kinda scary huh??? Plus you have to ask yourself...why?

My thesis is the Civil rights empires and staffs have
mushroomed into a colossal tax sucking tumor that has a
symbiotic relationship with the lie and myth we must fight
that evil white male racism. The reason is to protect all
the blacks and women who have gotten huge tax sucking EEO
and civil rights positions in Guvment perpetuating the myth
of needed diversity and EEO within the Government.

ALL of the above while critical functions like controllers
and technicians are being CUT and REDUCED in the FAA

Or in other terms the "Emperor has no clothes"
or a more basic term it's a massive SCAM(See Jesse Jackson
and Al Sharpton race whores)

FAA EEO

Political Correctness-Tyranny with Manners
"STOP Kissing the Black Ass"

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Password > wrote in news:4oULi.628$pQ4.214
@newsfe12.lga:

> Judah wrote:
>> Password > wrote in
>> :
>>
>>> Incredibly, the tone of the Inspector General's
>>> report was inconclusive. The IG stated: "Our review did
>>> not find sufficient evidence that FAA discriminated against
>>> white males in selecting women and minorities for GS-15
>>> positions."
>>
>> Or maybe white males didn't apply for those jobs.
>
> Actually they did apply in droves and were discriminated
> against by reverse racist FAA PC goon squad edicts that
> dictate that "Kissing the Black Ass" MUST take priority over
> anything and everything.
>
> Check this out
>
> http://www.adversity.net/fed_stats/fednews_FAA.htm
>
> Even though it's costing the FAA(U.S.Taxpayers)MILLIONS in
> law suits they continue to plow full steam ahead "Kissing
> the Black Ass" using reverse racist tactics and propaganda.
>
> Kinda scary huh??? Plus you have to ask yourself...why?
>
> My thesis is the Civil rights empires and staffs have
> mushroomed into a colossal tax sucking tumor that has a
> symbiotic relationship with the lie and myth we must fight
> that evil white male racism. The reason is to protect all
> the blacks and women who have gotten huge tax sucking EEO
> and civil rights positions in Guvment perpetuating the myth
> of needed diversity and EEO within the Government.
>
> ALL of the above while critical functions like controllers
> and technicians are being CUT and REDUCED in the FAA
>
> Or in other terms the "Emperor has no clothes"
> or a more basic term it's a massive SCAM(See Jesse Jackson
> and Al Sharpton race whores)


You're a busy little k00k, aintcha!


Bertie

[Judah]

Password > wrote in news:4oULi.628$pQ4.214
@newsfe12.lga:

> Check this out
>
> http://www.adversity.net/fed_stats/fednews_FAA.htm

I would have believed you more if you had written the article in Wikipedia
instead of posting it on your own website.

Either way, though, not much of a source.

[Judah]

Bertie the Bunyip > wrote in news:Xns99BBDE72D3374****upropeeh@
207.14.116.130:

> blah blah blah

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Judah > wrote in news:Xns99BBB6F00468AJudahnospamnet@
69.28.186.158:

> Bertie the Bunyip > wrote in news:Xns99BBDE72D3374****upropeeh@
> 207.14.116.130:
>
>> blah blah blah
>

Awwww.



Hidda noiv?

Bertie

[Password]

Judah wrote:
> Password > wrote in news:4oULi.628$pQ4.214
> @newsfe12.lga:
>
>> Check this out
>>
>> http://www.adversity.net/fed_stats/fednews_FAA.htm
>
> I would have believed you more if you had written the article in Wikipedia
> instead of posting it on your own website.
>
> Either way, though, not much of a source.

It's not my web site!! This link has been around for a long
time. I have nothing to do with it whatsoever. The fact is
reverse racism is alive and well in our Government. The link
just shows one of many cases.

[Judah]

Bertie the Bunyip > wrote in news:Xns99BBE8BCFC4F4****upropeeh@
207.14.116.130:

You seem to have some not-so-witty response for everything I write, now that
you have defined me as a target.


Even if I write absolutely nothing.



Must be an ego trip of some sort.

I'll tell you - from your moniker I figured you were some crotchety old
retired pilot who grew up in Philly. But now I'm starting to think you
graduated high school in the last couple of years with Manic.

Anyway, let's keep playing for a little while longer. I'm not quite bored of
you yet.



Here's the spool of yarn again. Give it all you've got.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Judah > wrote in
:

> Bertie the Bunyip > wrote in
> news:Xns99BBE8BCFC4F4****upropeeh@ 207.14.116.130:
>
> You seem to have some not-so-witty response for everything I write,
> now that you have defined me as a target.


Yes, it's what Ido.
>
>
> Even if I write absolutely nothing.
>
>
>
> Must be an ego trip of some sort.


>
> I'll tell you - from your moniker I figured you were some crotchety
> old retired pilot who grew up in Philly. But now I'm starting to think
> you graduated high school in the last couple of years with Manic.

Think what you like.
>
> Anyway, let's keep playing for a little while longer. I'm not quite
> bored of you yet.
>
>
>
> Here's the spool of yarn again. Give it all you've got.

Sure;

Bdertie
>

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Password > wrote in
:

> Judah wrote:
>> Password > wrote in news:4oULi.628$pQ4.214
>> @newsfe12.lga:
>>
>>> Check this out
>>>
>>> http://www.adversity.net/fed_stats/fednews_FAA.htm
>>
>> I would have believed you more if you had written the article in
>> Wikipedia instead of posting it on your own website.
>>
>> Either way, though, not much of a source.
>
> It's not my web site!! This link has been around for a long
> time. I have nothing to do with it whatsoever. The fact is
> reverse racism is alive and well in our Government. The link
> just shows one of many cases.
>


Yes, you're a martyr to the cause.

bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

John Doe > wrote in
:

>
> A nym shifting cross-posting follow-up changing regular troll


You betcha!



Bertie
>
> See also:
> Bertie the Bunyip <bertie_the_bunyip hotmail.com>
> Bertie the Bunyip >
> Jane Doe <AA aa.a.a.a.a.>
> Mxsmanic >
>
>
> Path:
> newsdbm02.news.prodigy.net!newsdst02.news.prodigy. net!prodigy.com!
newsc
> on02.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.net!wns11feed!worldn et.att.net!
207.14.113
> .39!news.alt.net From: Bertie the Bunyip <Sn rt.1>
> Newsgroups: rec.aviation.piloting
> Subject: Re: ATC failure in Memphis
> Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 12:23:27 +0000 (UTC)
> Organization: Your Company
> Lines: 25
> Message-ID: <Xns99B98552F77A4****upropeeh 207.14.116.130>
> References: <jtljf35rshov7e1p5lkhr6rj4n6vvfm5o2 4ax.com>
> <z-udnTDCwOmEdGHbnZ2dnUVZ_qXinZ2d sedona.net>
> <n5rpf35q09vj6e4cdmv1n27qobsatr9gpv 4ax.com> <uk6Li.234$Ga7.210
> newsfe06.lga> User-Agent: Xnews/5.04.25
> Xref: prodigy.net rec.aviation.piloting:601424
> X-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 08:23:27 EDT
> (newsdbm02.news.prodigy.net)
>
> FredGarvinMaleProstitute <maleprostitute hotmail.com> wrote in
> news:uk6Li.234$Ga7.210 newsfe06.lga:
>
>> Mxsmanic wrote:[i]
>>> JA_MORAN writes:
>>>
>>>> what about backup systems
>>>> a Microwave point to point could work, how about different feeds
>>>> from different circuits? or a SAtellite dish...
>>>
>>> Back-up systems can only work if they exist.
>>
>> I explained the backup issue in a previous response. The FAA
>> "Had" microwave backup until the unqualified idiots decided
>> they did not need it and went single threaded with outside
>> contractors(Telco).
>>
>> Current FAA Management is clueless about technical issues
>
> Actually, it's you who are clueless about tech matters, but don't let
> me stop you making an asshole out of yourself!
>
> Not that anything could stop ya.
>
> Bertie
>
>
>

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

John Doe > wrote in
:

>
> A zealous regular troll.
>


None more so.


Do I detect a growing admiration for my work?

I have a line of signed silkscreens of th old sig line..


I'm thinking about Bertie coffee mugs too, what you think? There a
market?


Bertie




> See also:
> Bertie the Bunyip <bertie_the_bunyip hotmail.com>
> Bertie the Bunyip >
> Jane Doe <AA aa.a.a.a.a.>
> Mxsmanic >
>
>
> Path:
> newsdbm02.news.prodigy.net!newsdst02.news.prodigy. net!prodigy.com!
newsc
> on02.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.net!wns13feed!worldn et.att.net!
207.14.113
> .39!news.alt.net From: Bertie the Bunyip <Sn rt.1>
> Newsgroups: rec.aviation.piloting
> Subject: Re: ATC failure in Memphis
> Followup-To: rec.aviation.piloting,rec.travel.air
> Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 20:24:47 +0000 (UTC)
> Organization: Your Company
> Lines: 19
> Message-ID: <Xns99BBD6EC9B21D****upropeeh 207.14.116.130>
> References: <jtljf35rshov7e1p5lkhr6rj4n6vvfm5o2 4ax.com>
> <z-udnTDCwOmEdGHbnZ2dnUVZ_qXinZ2d sedona.net>
> <n5rpf35q09vj6e4cdmv1n27qobsatr9gpv 4ax.com> <uk6Li.234$Ga7.210
> newsfe06.lga> <Xns99B9A067C41B0Judahnospamnet 69.28.186.158>
> <g9gLi.156$T61.93 newsfe06.lga> <Xns99B9E8CDF9C77Judahnospamnet
> 69.28.186.158> <2ErLi.2$mm4.1 newsfe05.lga>
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> 69.28.186.158> User-Agent: Xnews/5.04.25
> Xref: prodigy.net rec.aviation.piloting:601742
> X-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 16:24:49 EDT
> (newsdbm02.news.prodigy.net)
>
> Judah <judah nospam.net> wrote in news:Xns99BBA53B9528BJudahnospamnet
> 69.28.186.158:
>
>> Password <password44 earthlink.net> wrote in
>> news:x_SLi.106$C23.42 newsfe05.lga:
>> [i]
>>> Incredibly, the tone of the Inspector General's
>>> report was inconclusive. The IG stated: "Our review did
>>> not find sufficient evidence that FAA discriminated against
>>> white males in selecting women and minorities for GS-15
>>> positions."
>>
>> Or maybe white males didn't apply for those jobs.
>>
>
> But there are programs for the retarded. There you go, you're back on
> an even footing politically
>
> Bertie
>
>

[OH Boy!]

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
> John Doe > wrote in
> :
>
>> A nym shifting cross-posting follow-up changing regular troll
>
>
> You betcha!
>
>
>
> Bertie
>> See also:
>> Bertie the Bunyip <bertie_the_bunyip hotmail.com>
>> Bertie the Bunyip >
>> Jane Doe <AA aa.a.a.a.a.>
>> Mxsmanic >
>>
>>
>> Path:
>> newsdbm02.news.prodigy.net!newsdst02.news.prodigy. net!prodigy.com!
> newsc
>> on02.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.net!wns11feed!worldn et.att.net!
> 207.14.113
>> .39!news.alt.net From: Bertie the Bunyip <Sn rt.1>
>> Newsgroups: rec.aviation.piloting
>> Subject: Re: ATC failure in Memphis
>> Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 12:23:27 +0000 (UTC)
>> Organization: Your Company
>> Lines: 25
>> Message-ID: <Xns99B98552F77A4****upropeeh 207.14.116.130>
>> References: <jtljf35rshov7e1p5lkhr6rj4n6vvfm5o2 4ax.com>
>> <z-udnTDCwOmEdGHbnZ2dnUVZ_qXinZ2d sedona.net>
>> <n5rpf35q09vj6e4cdmv1n27qobsatr9gpv 4ax.com> <uk6Li.234$Ga7.210
>> newsfe06.lga> User-Agent: Xnews/5.04.25
>> Xref: prodigy.net rec.aviation.piloting:601424
>> X-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 08:23:27 EDT
>> (newsdbm02.news.prodigy.net)
>>
>> FredGarvinMaleProstitute <maleprostitute hotmail.com> wrote in
>> news:uk6Li.234$Ga7.210 newsfe06.lga:
>>[i]
>>> Mxsmanic wrote:
>>>> JA_MORAN writes:
>>>>
>>>>> what about backup systems
>>>>> a Microwave point to point could work, how about different feeds
>>>>> from different circuits? or a SAtellite dish...
>>>> Back-up systems can only work if they exist.
>>> I explained the backup issue in a previous response. The FAA
>>> "Had" microwave backup until the unqualified idiots decided
>>> they did not need it and went single threaded with outside
>>> contractors(Telco).
>>>
>>> Current FAA Management is clueless about technical issues
>> Actually, it's you who are clueless about tech matters, but don't let
>> me stop you making an asshole out of yourself!
>>
>> Not that anything could stop ya.
>>
>> Bertie
>>
>>
>>
>

Bertie

Did you ride the short bus and lick the windows when you
were young?

Inquiring minds want to know

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

"OH Boy!" > wrote in :

> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>> John Doe > wrote in
>> :
>>
>>> A nym shifting cross-posting follow-up changing regular troll
>>
>>
>> You betcha!
>>
>>
>>
>> Bertie
>>> See also:
>>> Bertie the Bunyip <bertie_the_bunyip hotmail.com>
>>> Bertie the Bunyip >
>>> Jane Doe <AA aa.a.a.a.a.>
>>> Mxsmanic > [impersonation]
>>>
>>>
>>> Path:
>>> newsdbm02.news.prodigy.net!newsdst02.news.prodigy. net!prodigy.com!
>> newsc
>>> on02.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.net!wns11feed!worldn et.att.net!
>> 207.14.113
>>> .39!news.alt.net From: Bertie the Bunyip <Sn rt.1>
>>> Newsgroups: rec.aviation.piloting
>>> Subject: Re: ATC failure in Memphis
>>> Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 12:23:27 +0000 (UTC)
>>> Organization: Your Company
>>> Lines: 25
>>> Message-ID: <Xns99B98552F77A4****upropeeh 207.14.116.130>
>>> References: <jtljf35rshov7e1p5lkhr6rj4n6vvfm5o2 4ax.com>
>>> <z-udnTDCwOmEdGHbnZ2dnUVZ_qXinZ2d sedona.net>
>>> <n5rpf35q09vj6e4cdmv1n27qobsatr9gpv 4ax.com> <uk6Li.234$Ga7.210
>>> newsfe06.lga> User-Agent: Xnews/5.04.25
>>> Xref: prodigy.net rec.aviation.piloting:601424
>>> X-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 08:23:27 EDT
>>> (newsdbm02.news.prodigy.net)
>>>
>>> FredGarvinMaleProstitute <maleprostitute hotmail.com> wrote in
>>> news:uk6Li.234$Ga7.210 newsfe06.lga:
>>>
>>>> Mxsmanic wrote:
>>>>> JA_MORAN writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>> what about backup systems
>>>>>> a Microwave point to point could work, how about different feeds
>>>>>> from different circuits? or a SAtellite dish...
>>>>> Back-up systems can only work if they exist.
>>>> I explained the backup issue in a previous response. The FAA
>>>> "Had" microwave backup until the unqualified idiots decided
>>>> they did not need it and went single threaded with outside
>>>> contractors(Telco).
>>>>
>>>> Current FAA Management is clueless about technical issues
>>> Actually, it's you who are clueless about tech matters, but don't
let
>>> me stop you making an asshole out of yourself!
>>>
>>> Not that anything could stop ya.
>>>
>>> Bertie
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
> Bertie
>
> Did you ride the short bus and lick the windows when you
> were young?
>
> Inquiring minds want to know
>

Of course not. I had a dprived childhood.


Bertie