Duane cole video?

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Anyone know of a source for anything involving Duane Cole?

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Bill Zaleski > wrote in
:

> On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 12:33:20 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip >
> wrote:
>
>>Anyone know of a source for anything involving Duane Cole?
>
> He wrote some books about acro. Let me see if I have any of them.
>
>

Got some of his books, thanks. I was actually wondering if anyone knew of
any film of him performing.


Bertie

[Big John]

Bertie

No film but saw him fly once, years ago. Almost as good as Bob Hoover.

Big John

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On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 12:58:56 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip >
wrote:

>Bill Zaleski > wrote in
:
>
>> On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 12:33:20 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Anyone know of a source for anything involving Duane Cole?
>>
>> He wrote some books about acro. Let me see if I have any of them.
>>
>>
>
>Got some of his books, thanks. I was actually wondering if anyone knew of
>any film of him performing.
>
>
>Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Big John > wrote in
:

> Bertie
>
> No film but saw him fly once, years ago. Almost as good as Bob Hoover.

Saw him fly quite a few times. I always thought he was better!
The thing was, he made it look so easy. The mark of a true craftsman..
I don't think he ever put more than 90 hp in that airplane, either.

Bertie
>

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
> Big John > wrote in
> :
>
>> Bertie
>>
>> No film but saw him fly once, years ago. Almost as good as Bob Hoover.
>
> Saw him fly quite a few times. I always thought he was better!
> The thing was, he made it look so easy. The mark of a true craftsman..
> I don't think he ever put more than 90 hp in that airplane, either.
>
> Bertie
>


I would agree with this. Duane had none of the advantages in the clipped
wing T Craft that Hoover had in the 51. His displays in the T Craft were
marvelous demonstrations of energy control.
Bob on the other hand is a master at smoothness of control. I don't
think I've ever seen anyone handle an airplane display wise any smoother
than Hoover.
Duane's routines were special. Where Hoover rode the smooth ride in
placing the 51 where it had to be at any instant in his demonstrations,
Duane Cole managed energy better than anyone I've ever seen in aerobatics.
The best way to describe Duane Cole's flying was that he got every once
of performance out of his airplane that it was possible of giving
him......and then some :-)



--
Dudley Henriques

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Dudley Henriques > wrote in
:

> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>> Big John > wrote in
>> :
>>
>>> Bertie
>>>
>>> No film but saw him fly once, years ago. Almost as good as Bob
>>> Hoover.
>>
>> Saw him fly quite a few times. I always thought he was better!
>> The thing was, he made it look so easy. The mark of a true
>> craftsman.. I don't think he ever put more than 90 hp in that
>> airplane, either.
>>
>> Bertie
>>
>
>
> I would agree with this. Duane had none of the advantages in the
> clipped wing T Craft that Hoover had in the 51. His displays in the T
> Craft were marvelous demonstrations of energy control.
> Bob on the other hand is a master at smoothness of control. I don't
> think I've ever seen anyone handle an airplane display wise any
> smoother than Hoover.
> Duane's routines were special. Where Hoover rode the smooth ride in
> placing the 51 where it had to be at any instant in his
> demonstrations, Duane Cole managed energy better than anyone I've ever
> seen in aerobatics. The best way to describe Duane Cole's flying was
> that he got every once of performance out of his airplane that it was
> possible of giving him......and then some :-)
>

He was unbelievable. The most amazing thing were the square manuevrers.
How he could keep speed up around those corners was nothing less than
astonishing. That airplane must have weighed next to nothing. I read a
review Hoover did of the Skyote, which he loved, BTW. the one he flew
had a C90 on it with no inverted system. The owner of the airplane let
him do a display in it and was amamazed to see him doing square loops
near the ground as well as slow rolls and all sorts of other manuevers.
Whn he asked him how he had managed to keep the engine running Hoover
replied that he just kept it positive enough to keep it running all the
time.
And this in an airplane he had a couple of hours in.

Cole wasn't as big a name to the general public, because you had to be
into aerobatics to know how impossible what he was doing was, wheras
Hoovers were spectacular no matter how you sliced it. I'd loved to see
him fly that Skyote, though..

Bertie

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
> Dudley Henriques > wrote in
> :
>
>> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>>> Big John > wrote in
>>> :
>>>
>>>> Bertie
>>>>
>>>> No film but saw him fly once, years ago. Almost as good as Bob
>>>> Hoover.
>>> Saw him fly quite a few times. I always thought he was better!
>>> The thing was, he made it look so easy. The mark of a true
>>> craftsman.. I don't think he ever put more than 90 hp in that
>>> airplane, either.
>>>
>>> Bertie
>>>
>>
>> I would agree with this. Duane had none of the advantages in the
>> clipped wing T Craft that Hoover had in the 51. His displays in the T
>> Craft were marvelous demonstrations of energy control.
>> Bob on the other hand is a master at smoothness of control. I don't
>> think I've ever seen anyone handle an airplane display wise any
>> smoother than Hoover.
>> Duane's routines were special. Where Hoover rode the smooth ride in
>> placing the 51 where it had to be at any instant in his
>> demonstrations, Duane Cole managed energy better than anyone I've ever
>> seen in aerobatics. The best way to describe Duane Cole's flying was
>> that he got every once of performance out of his airplane that it was
>> possible of giving him......and then some :-)
>>
>
> He was unbelievable. The most amazing thing were the square manuevrers.
> How he could keep speed up around those corners was nothing less than
> astonishing. That airplane must have weighed next to nothing. I read a
> review Hoover did of the Skyote, which he loved, BTW. the one he flew
> had a C90 on it with no inverted system. The owner of the airplane let
> him do a display in it and was amamazed to see him doing square loops
> near the ground as well as slow rolls and all sorts of other manuevers.
> Whn he asked him how he had managed to keep the engine running Hoover
> replied that he just kept it positive enough to keep it running all the
> time.
> And this in an airplane he had a couple of hours in.
>
> Cole wasn't as big a name to the general public, because you had to be
> into aerobatics to know how impossible what he was doing was, wheras
> Hoovers were spectacular no matter how you sliced it. I'd loved to see
> him fly that Skyote, though..
>
> Bertie
>

I flew the Jungmann several times. The Skyote looks a lot like the
Jungmann. Don't know how heavy it is, but it looks like a sweet flying
airplane.
Probably the finest all around and balanced acro airplane I've ever been
around in my time would be the Jungmeister. Bevo of course flew one and
I can't think of anything he couldn't and didn't do with it.
This new breed of mid wings with full span ailerons have to be a blast
to fly. Too bad I missed them. They bring a whole new world of inertia
coupling maneuvers to the table that we never even dreamed of.

I remember the first Lomcevak I did. It was in a Pitts S1S. I set it up
on a 45 up line outside snap. When it broke, I just hung on and had
absolutely no idea where the damn thing would end up. I remember
thinking right after I recovered the airplane that there would be no way
in hell to predict exactly how the airplane would recover.
Later on of course this maneuver became routine.
But the guys today in the mid wings do things with an airplane that I
would have said would have been impossible 20 years ago.
Progress. Ain't it wonderful :-))))
D

--
Dudley Henriques

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Dudley Henriques > wrote in
:

>> Bertie
>>
>
> I flew the Jungmann several times. The Skyote looks a lot like the
> Jungmann. Don't know how heavy it is, but it looks like a sweet flying
> airplane.

Yes, the designer was allegedly going for a sort of Rose Parakeet clone
that handled like a Jungmeister.

> Probably the finest all around and balanced acro airplane I've ever
been
> around in my time would be the Jungmeister. Bevo of course flew one
and
> I can't think of anything he couldn't and didn't do with it.

I'd love to fly one. Even a Jungmann. There is one nearby that gets
rented out I must go and try sometime.

> This new breed of mid wings with full span ailerons have to be a blast
> to fly. Too bad I missed them. They bring a whole new world of inertia
> coupling maneuvers to the table that we never even dreamed of.


They're prety cool, but don't appeal to me as much as the older stuff.
Having said that if I tried old and new together I'm sure I'd prefer a
Sukhoi to a Zlin 526 or a Jungmeister at the end of the day, but I know
which one I'd be itching to try first.
>
> I remember the first Lomcevak I did. It was in a Pitts S1S. I set it
up
> on a 45 up line outside snap. When it broke, I just hung on and had
> absolutely no idea where the damn thing would end up. I remember
> thinking right after I recovered the airplane that there would be no
way
> in hell to predict exactly how the airplane would recover.
> Later on of course this maneuver became routine.
> But the guys today in the mid wings do things with an airplane that I
> would have said would have been impossible 20 years ago.
> Progress. Ain't it wonderful :-))))


Cool. I tried to do Lomcevoks in a Stearman but there was no way it
would do it. For one thing it lost power as sone as I pushed. Also tried
a few times in the Decathlon and got nothing more than a messy outside
snap.
I have managed them with models, though. I had a bipe that would do them
all from the 4deg entry forward tumbles to the vertical conicals (which
must be a blast in a real airplane. A bit like getting flushed down the
toilet)

Anyhow, just thinking about doing spins is giving me a headache these
days!


Bertie

[Matt Whiting]

Dudley Henriques wrote:
> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>> Big John > wrote in
>> :
>>> Bertie
>>>
>>> No film but saw him fly once, years ago. Almost as good as Bob Hoover.
>>
>> Saw him fly quite a few times. I always thought he was better! The
>> thing was, he made it look so easy. The mark of a true craftsman.. I
>> don't think he ever put more than 90 hp in that airplane, either.
>> Bertie
>
>
> I would agree with this. Duane had none of the advantages in the clipped
> wing T Craft that Hoover had in the 51. His displays in the T Craft were
> marvelous demonstrations of energy control.
> Bob on the other hand is a master at smoothness of control. I don't
> think I've ever seen anyone handle an airplane display wise any smoother
> than Hoover.
> Duane's routines were special. Where Hoover rode the smooth ride in
> placing the 51 where it had to be at any instant in his demonstrations,
> Duane Cole managed energy better than anyone I've ever seen in aerobatics.
> The best way to describe Duane Cole's flying was that he got every once
> of performance out of his airplane that it was possible of giving
> him......and then some :-)

I never had the pleasure of seeing Duane fly in person, but I was able
to see Bob twice back in the late 70s (or maybe early 80s) at ELM and
IPT. I am continually amazed at how smooth he flew and the precision
with which he flew (dancing the 51, etc.). I've constantly tried to
increase my smoothness to better emulate Bob, knowing full well it
simply isn't possible to even get close. However, it is fun trying and
it was fun seeing what near perfection looked like.

I wish I had been able to catch one of Duane's routines, but alas...

Matt

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

> Anyhow, just thinking about doing spins is giving me a headache these
> days!
>
>
> Bertie
>

Me as well. My flying days are behind me. I'm still quite active as a
consultant in the airshow safety community and that keeps me
busy....that and YARD WORK !!!!
:-)


--
Dudley Henriques

[Jay Honeck]

> I wish I had been able to catch one of Duane's routines, but alas...

My son's most prized autograph (on his "airshow hat") is Duane
Coles...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

Matt Whiting wrote:
I've constantly tried to
> increase my smoothness to better emulate Bob, knowing full well it
> simply isn't possible to even get close. However, it is fun trying and
> it was fun seeing what near perfection looked like.


Actually it is possible to approach the smoothness of Bob Hoover.
Although Bob is one of the finest pure stick drivers I've ever seen,
there is nothing magical or even difficult about the way Hoover handles
an airplane. What Bob does is based on a solid knowledge of control
dynamics and an ability to predict based on hundreds of hours of
concentrated practice.
Bob would be the first to tell you that after all the fan fare about his
flying ability has been considered, what it all boils down to is using
the simple basics correctly.
It's as simple as that. ANY pilot possessing normal coordination skills
and the desire to learn how to do things correctly coupled with a mind
set that is geared to practice can fly an airplane every bit as smoothly
and expertly as a Bob Hoover.




--
Dudley Henriques

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Dudley Henriques > wrote in
:

> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>
>> Anyhow, just thinking about doing spins is giving me a headache these
>> days!
>>
>>
>> Bertie
>>
>
> Me as well. My flying days are behind me. I'm still quite active as a
> consultant in the airshow safety community and that keeps me
> busy....that and YARD WORK !!!!
>:-)
>
>

Ugh. Yard work.

Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Matt Whiting > wrote in
:

> Dudley Henriques wrote:
>> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>>> Big John > wrote in
>>> :
>>>> Bertie
>>>>
>>>> No film but saw him fly once, years ago. Almost as good as Bob
>>>> Hoover.
>>>
>>> Saw him fly quite a few times. I always thought he was better! The
>>> thing was, he made it look so easy. The mark of a true craftsman.. I
>>> don't think he ever put more than 90 hp in that airplane, either.
>>> Bertie
>>
>>
>> I would agree with this. Duane had none of the advantages in the
>> clipped wing T Craft that Hoover had in the 51. His displays in the T
>> Craft were marvelous demonstrations of energy control.
>> Bob on the other hand is a master at smoothness of control. I don't
>> think I've ever seen anyone handle an airplane display wise any
>> smoother than Hoover.
>> Duane's routines were special. Where Hoover rode the smooth ride in
>> placing the 51 where it had to be at any instant in his
>> demonstrations, Duane Cole managed energy better than anyone I've
>> ever seen in aerobatics. The best way to describe Duane Cole's flying
>> was that he got every once of performance out of his airplane that it
>> was possible of giving him......and then some :-)
>
> I never had the pleasure of seeing Duane fly in person, but I was able
> to see Bob twice back in the late 70s (or maybe early 80s) at ELM and
> IPT. I am continually amazed at how smooth he flew and the precision
> with which he flew (dancing the 51, etc.). I've constantly tried to
> increase my smoothness to better emulate Bob, knowing full well it
> simply isn't possible to even get close.


That's not what Bob says!

He can come across as a bit of a braggart sometims, but then again he
has a lot to brag about. In actual fact he's actually very
straighforward about his abilities saying that he's got nothing special
going on except a lot of practice and a determination to constantly
improve. Smoothness is easy, really. It;s just five, ten or a hundred
times as many coarse, but smaller, corrections in the same space of
time as you make now!


Bertie

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
> Dudley Henriques > wrote in
> :
>
>> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>>
>>> Anyhow, just thinking about doing spins is giving me a headache these
>>> days!
>>>
>>>
>>> Bertie
>>>
>> Me as well. My flying days are behind me. I'm still quite active as a
>> consultant in the airshow safety community and that keeps me
>> busy....that and YARD WORK !!!!
>> :-)
>>
>>
>
> Ugh. Yard work.
>
> Bertie

Horrible stuff, yard work! And there are other things too that make
retirement a royal bitch. Take that damn squirrel of mine...yes I have a
pet squirrel :-)) Little bugger started coming up onto the back deck and
me like an idiot decided that he was so cute I should start training him
to eat out of my hand.
Out comes my wife and promptly tells me,
"Hon, PLEASE don't feed the squirrels. They'll end up coming around and
eating all my flowers".

"Hell" says me, why would they eat your flowers when I'm giving them all
this good stuff?"

"PLEASE", she says; don't do it! They'll eat the flowers".

Well, this morning guess what happened?

God, I wish I was flying again!!!!
:-)))

--
Dudley Henriques

[Jay Honeck]

> He can come across as a bit of a braggart sometims, but then again he
> has a lot to brag about.

Bob Hoover has never (to my knowledge) come across as even a LITTLE
bit of a braggart. In fact, he's so far toward the humble direction,
it's almost embarrassing at times.

You must be thinking of Yeager...

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Jay Honeck > wrote in news:1191089877.523152.97570
@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.com:

>> He can come across as a bit of a braggart sometims, but then again he
>> has a lot to brag about.
>
> Bob Hoover has never (to my knowledge) come across as even a LITTLE
> bit of a braggart. In fact, he's so far toward the humble direction,
> it's almost embarrassing at times.



Depends. When he's just telling his war stories, he can sound like he;s
bragging, but of course, he's nothe's just relating the facts.

>
> You must be thinking of Yeager...
>

No, I wasn't. But you're right, he's unreal. Mind you , he's got a lot to
brag about. I've never seen him fly, though.

Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Dudley Henriques > wrote in
:

> Matt Whiting wrote:
> I've constantly tried to
>> increase my smoothness to better emulate Bob, knowing full well it
>> simply isn't possible to even get close. However, it is fun trying and
>> it was fun seeing what near perfection looked like.
>
>
> Actually it is possible to approach the smoothness of Bob Hoover.
> Although Bob is one of the finest pure stick drivers I've ever seen,
> there is nothing magical or even difficult about the way Hoover handles
> an airplane. What Bob does is based on a solid knowledge of control
> dynamics and an ability to predict based on hundreds of hours of
> concentrated practice.
> Bob would be the first to tell you that after all the fan fare about his
> flying ability has been considered, what it all boils down to is using
> the simple basics correctly.


Yes, I've heard him say this too. And it's true.


> It's as simple as that. ANY pilot possessing normal coordination skills
> and the desire to learn how to do things correctly coupled with a mind
> set that is geared to practice can fly an airplane every bit as smoothly
> and expertly as a Bob Hoover.
>
>
>
>
'Course they'd have to actually BE a pilot. Lest Anthony starts getting
notions

Bertie

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
> Dudley Henriques > wrote in
> :
>
>> Matt Whiting wrote:
>> I've constantly tried to
>>> increase my smoothness to better emulate Bob, knowing full well it
>>> simply isn't possible to even get close. However, it is fun trying and
>>> it was fun seeing what near perfection looked like.
>>
>> Actually it is possible to approach the smoothness of Bob Hoover.
>> Although Bob is one of the finest pure stick drivers I've ever seen,
>> there is nothing magical or even difficult about the way Hoover handles
>> an airplane. What Bob does is based on a solid knowledge of control
>> dynamics and an ability to predict based on hundreds of hours of
>> concentrated practice.
>> Bob would be the first to tell you that after all the fan fare about his
>> flying ability has been considered, what it all boils down to is using
>> the simple basics correctly.
>
>
> Yes, I've heard him say this too. And it's true.
>
>
>> It's as simple as that. ANY pilot possessing normal coordination skills
>> and the desire to learn how to do things correctly coupled with a mind
>> set that is geared to practice can fly an airplane every bit as smoothly
>> and expertly as a Bob Hoover.
>>
>>
>>
>>
> 'Course they'd have to actually BE a pilot. Lest Anthony starts getting
> notions
>
> Bertie

I'll tell you the truth. Through the years, I've seen Bob in all kinds
of moods when dealing with people. I'm not at all sure he would know how
to react to Anthony :-))


--
Dudley Henriques

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Dudley Henriques > wrote in
:

> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>> Dudley Henriques > wrote in
>> :
>>
>>> Matt Whiting wrote:
>>> I've constantly tried to
>>>> increase my smoothness to better emulate Bob, knowing full well it
>>>> simply isn't possible to even get close. However, it is fun trying
>>>> and it was fun seeing what near perfection looked like.
>>>
>>> Actually it is possible to approach the smoothness of Bob Hoover.
>>> Although Bob is one of the finest pure stick drivers I've ever seen,
>>> there is nothing magical or even difficult about the way Hoover
>>> handles an airplane. What Bob does is based on a solid knowledge of
>>> control dynamics and an ability to predict based on hundreds of
>>> hours of concentrated practice.
>>> Bob would be the first to tell you that after all the fan fare about
>>> his flying ability has been considered, what it all boils down to is
>>> using the simple basics correctly.
>>
>>
>> Yes, I've heard him say this too. And it's true.
>>
>>
>>> It's as simple as that. ANY pilot possessing normal coordination
>>> skills and the desire to learn how to do things correctly coupled
>>> with a mind set that is geared to practice can fly an airplane every
>>> bit as smoothly and expertly as a Bob Hoover.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> 'Course they'd have to actually BE a pilot. Lest Anthony starts
>> getting notions
>>
>> Bertie
>
> I'll tell you the truth. Through the years, I've seen Bob in all kinds
> of moods when dealing with people. I'm not at all sure he would know
> how to react to Anthony :-))
>
>

Not much chance ofthat, unless he atually went to Anhony's house.

Bertie

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

Jay Honeck wrote:
>> He can come across as a bit of a braggart sometims, but then again he
>> has a lot to brag about.
>
> Bob Hoover has never (to my knowledge) come across as even a LITTLE
> bit of a braggart. In fact, he's so far toward the humble direction,
> it's almost embarrassing at times.
>
> You must be thinking of Yeager...
>
> ;-)
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>

Bob's professional persona when dealing with people on site is practiced
and extremely gentle and non-threatening. He is helpful and very kind to
people when and if warranted.
I can tell you also that under certain conditions privately, Bob does
NOT like to be fooled with and is an extremely capable advasary when the
mood strikes him that he's had enough.
Basically, he's perfectly normal like the rest of us. He purrs by force
of habit, but can bite deeply if necessary.

--
Dudley Henriques

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
> Dudley Henriques > wrote in
> :
>
>> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>>> Dudley Henriques > wrote in
>>> :
>>>
>>>> Matt Whiting wrote:
>>>> I've constantly tried to
>>>>> increase my smoothness to better emulate Bob, knowing full well it
>>>>> simply isn't possible to even get close. However, it is fun trying
>>>>> and it was fun seeing what near perfection looked like.
>>>> Actually it is possible to approach the smoothness of Bob Hoover.
>>>> Although Bob is one of the finest pure stick drivers I've ever seen,
>>>> there is nothing magical or even difficult about the way Hoover
>>>> handles an airplane. What Bob does is based on a solid knowledge of
>>>> control dynamics and an ability to predict based on hundreds of
>>>> hours of concentrated practice.
>>>> Bob would be the first to tell you that after all the fan fare about
>>>> his flying ability has been considered, what it all boils down to is
>>>> using the simple basics correctly.
>>>
>>> Yes, I've heard him say this too. And it's true.
>>>
>>>
>>>> It's as simple as that. ANY pilot possessing normal coordination
>>>> skills and the desire to learn how to do things correctly coupled
>>>> with a mind set that is geared to practice can fly an airplane every
>>>> bit as smoothly and expertly as a Bob Hoover.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> 'Course they'd have to actually BE a pilot. Lest Anthony starts
>>> getting notions
>>>
>>> Bertie
>> I'll tell you the truth. Through the years, I've seen Bob in all kinds
>> of moods when dealing with people. I'm not at all sure he would know
>> how to react to Anthony :-))
>>
>>
>
> Not much chance ofthat, unless he atually went to Anhony's house.
>
> Bertie

You might have a valid point here :-))

--
Dudley Henriques

[B A R R Y]

On Sat, 29 Sep 2007 18:34:06 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip >
wrote:

>
>'Course they'd have to actually BE a pilot. Lest Anthony starts getting
>notions

It's really easy to pour a glass of water while rolling the sim.

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

B A R R Y wrote:
> On Sat, 29 Sep 2007 18:34:06 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip >
> wrote:
>
>> 'Course they'd have to actually BE a pilot. Lest Anthony starts getting
>> notions
>
> It's really easy to pour a glass of water while rolling the sim.

Question to ponder for the day :-)) Aerobatic Perspective!!!!

When you roll an airplane using your desktop flight simulator you are
not actually rolling an airplane but rolling an image of that airplane
on a monitor in front of you. Now this poses an interesting problem
concerning perspective.
Let's do a 1/2 roll to inverted on your simulator and attempt to perform
an inverted left turn.
Try this while viewing the horizon from INSIDE the cockpit and note if
what you are seeing is what you would be seeing in a real airplane.
Now switch to an outside view of the airplane inverted looking at it
right up the tail and begin a left inverted turn.
Note any differences between the two views and explain what's happening.
This is an interesting experiment in perspective.


--
Dudley Henriques

[Matt Whiting]

Dudley Henriques wrote:
> Matt Whiting wrote:
> I've constantly tried to
>> increase my smoothness to better emulate Bob, knowing full well it
>> simply isn't possible to even get close. However, it is fun trying
>> and it was fun seeing what near perfection looked like.
>
>
> Actually it is possible to approach the smoothness of Bob Hoover.
> Although Bob is one of the finest pure stick drivers I've ever seen,
> there is nothing magical or even difficult about the way Hoover handles
> an airplane. What Bob does is based on a solid knowledge of control
> dynamics and an ability to predict based on hundreds of hours of
> concentrated practice.
> Bob would be the first to tell you that after all the fan fare about his
> flying ability has been considered, what it all boils down to is using
> the simple basics correctly.
> It's as simple as that. ANY pilot possessing normal coordination skills
> and the desire to learn how to do things correctly coupled with a mind
> set that is geared to practice can fly an airplane every bit as smoothly
> and expertly as a Bob Hoover.

I don't dispute that, but I also think there is some natural
coordination and sensory skills that must be possessed also. I've seen
many different aerobatic pilots fly and have seen none that seemed the
equal of Bob. If anyone truly could do it, it seems like more would have.

I fly quite smoothly for normal flight operations, but I don't think I
have time to practice enough to approach Hoover's skill and wonder if he
had some natural ability that would make it impossible to gain his level
of skill despite the practice.

I believe that practice is a huge part of any endeavor, but my skills
are math and science and others have art, music, etc. I think I could
paint 8 hours a day every day and never be Picasso.


Matt

[Matt Whiting]

Dudley Henriques wrote:
> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>> Dudley Henriques > wrote in
>> :
>>
>>> Matt Whiting wrote:
>>> I've constantly tried to
>>>> increase my smoothness to better emulate Bob, knowing full well it
>>>> simply isn't possible to even get close. However, it is fun trying
>>>> and it was fun seeing what near perfection looked like.
>>>
>>> Actually it is possible to approach the smoothness of Bob Hoover.
>>> Although Bob is one of the finest pure stick drivers I've ever seen,
>>> there is nothing magical or even difficult about the way Hoover
>>> handles an airplane. What Bob does is based on a solid knowledge of
>>> control dynamics and an ability to predict based on hundreds of hours
>>> of concentrated practice.
>>> Bob would be the first to tell you that after all the fan fare about
>>> his flying ability has been considered, what it all boils down to is
>>> using the simple basics correctly.
>>
>>
>> Yes, I've heard him say this too. And it's true.
>>
>>> It's as simple as that. ANY pilot possessing normal coordination
>>> skills and the desire to learn how to do things correctly coupled
>>> with a mind set that is geared to practice can fly an airplane every
>>> bit as smoothly and expertly as a Bob Hoover.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> 'Course they'd have to actually BE a pilot. Lest Anthony starts
>> getting notions
>> Bertie
>
> I'll tell you the truth. Through the years, I've seen Bob in all kinds
> of moods when dealing with people. I'm not at all sure he would know how
> to react to Anthony :-))
>
>

I think he'd just smile condescendingly and walk away. :-)

Matt

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

B A R R Y > wrote in
:

> On Sat, 29 Sep 2007 18:34:06 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>'Course they'd have to actually BE a pilot. Lest Anthony starts getting
>>notions
>
> It's really easy to pour a glass of water while rolling the sim.
>

Well, in anthony's case, a simulated glass of water, maybe.

bertie

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

Matt Whiting wrote:
> Dudley Henriques wrote:
>> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>>> Dudley Henriques > wrote in
>>> :
>>>
>>>> Matt Whiting wrote:
>>>> I've constantly tried to
>>>>> increase my smoothness to better emulate Bob, knowing full well it
>>>>> simply isn't possible to even get close. However, it is fun trying
>>>>> and it was fun seeing what near perfection looked like.
>>>>
>>>> Actually it is possible to approach the smoothness of Bob Hoover.
>>>> Although Bob is one of the finest pure stick drivers I've ever seen,
>>>> there is nothing magical or even difficult about the way Hoover
>>>> handles an airplane. What Bob does is based on a solid knowledge of
>>>> control dynamics and an ability to predict based on hundreds of
>>>> hours of concentrated practice.
>>>> Bob would be the first to tell you that after all the fan fare about
>>>> his flying ability has been considered, what it all boils down to is
>>>> using the simple basics correctly.
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, I've heard him say this too. And it's true.
>>>
>>>> It's as simple as that. ANY pilot possessing normal coordination
>>>> skills and the desire to learn how to do things correctly coupled
>>>> with a mind set that is geared to practice can fly an airplane every
>>>> bit as smoothly and expertly as a Bob Hoover.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> 'Course they'd have to actually BE a pilot. Lest Anthony starts
>>> getting notions
>>> Bertie
>>
>> I'll tell you the truth. Through the years, I've seen Bob in all kinds
>> of moods when dealing with people. I'm not at all sure he would know
>> how to react to Anthony :-))
>>
>>
>
> I think he'd just smile condescendingly and walk away. :-)
>
> Matt

Well....that is one option I've seen him use :-)

--
Dudley Henriques

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Matt Whiting > wrote in
:

> Dudley Henriques wrote:
>> Matt Whiting wrote:
>> I've constantly tried to
>>> increase my smoothness to better emulate Bob, knowing full well it
>>> simply isn't possible to even get close. However, it is fun trying
>>> and it was fun seeing what near perfection looked like.
>>
>>
>> Actually it is possible to approach the smoothness of Bob Hoover.
>> Although Bob is one of the finest pure stick drivers I've ever seen,
>> there is nothing magical or even difficult about the way Hoover
>> handles an airplane. What Bob does is based on a solid knowledge of
>> control dynamics and an ability to predict based on hundreds of hours
>> of concentrated practice.
>> Bob would be the first to tell you that after all the fan fare about
>> his flying ability has been considered, what it all boils down to is
>> using the simple basics correctly.
>> It's as simple as that. ANY pilot possessing normal coordination
>> skills and the desire to learn how to do things correctly coupled
>> with a mind set that is geared to practice can fly an airplane every
>> bit as smoothly and expertly as a Bob Hoover.
>
> I don't dispute that, but I also think there is some natural
> coordination and sensory skills that must be possessed also. I've
> seen many different aerobatic pilots fly and have seen none that
> seemed the equal of Bob. If anyone truly could do it, it seems like
> more would have.

There have been many over the years. He's that little bit better than
mmost, but there are others out there as good. They don't do the sort of
fying he does and you reall need to be into aerobatics to appreciate
what they're doing, but I still maintain that Duane Cole was at least as
good.
Hoover's also been lucky, as I'm sure he would tell you himself. He's
rolled an awful lot of airplanes into litle balls over the years. that's
al part of his experience, of course.


Bertie

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
> B A R R Y > wrote in
> :
>
>> On Sat, 29 Sep 2007 18:34:06 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> 'Course they'd have to actually BE a pilot. Lest Anthony starts getting
>>> notions
>> It's really easy to pour a glass of water while rolling the sim.
>>
>
> Well, in anthony's case, a simulated glass of water, maybe.
>
> bertie

Have you ever considered the possibility that Anthony himself could be
simulated?
:-))

--
Dudley Henriques

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Dudley Henriques > wrote in
:

> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>> B A R R Y > wrote in
>> :
>>
>>> On Sat, 29 Sep 2007 18:34:06 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> 'Course they'd have to actually BE a pilot. Lest Anthony starts
>>>> getting notions
>>> It's really easy to pour a glass of water while rolling the sim.
>>>
>>
>> Well, in anthony's case, a simulated glass of water, maybe.
>>
>> bertie
>
> Have you ever considered the possibility that Anthony himself could be
> simulated?
>:-))
>

Hmm, an idiot-bot. Why haven't we been able to see this before?

Bertie

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
> Matt Whiting > wrote in
> :
>
>> Dudley Henriques wrote:
>>> Matt Whiting wrote:
>>> I've constantly tried to
>>>> increase my smoothness to better emulate Bob, knowing full well it
>>>> simply isn't possible to even get close. However, it is fun trying
>>>> and it was fun seeing what near perfection looked like.
>>>
>>> Actually it is possible to approach the smoothness of Bob Hoover.
>>> Although Bob is one of the finest pure stick drivers I've ever seen,
>>> there is nothing magical or even difficult about the way Hoover
>>> handles an airplane. What Bob does is based on a solid knowledge of
>>> control dynamics and an ability to predict based on hundreds of hours
>>> of concentrated practice.
>>> Bob would be the first to tell you that after all the fan fare about
>>> his flying ability has been considered, what it all boils down to is
>>> using the simple basics correctly.
>>> It's as simple as that. ANY pilot possessing normal coordination
>>> skills and the desire to learn how to do things correctly coupled
>>> with a mind set that is geared to practice can fly an airplane every
>>> bit as smoothly and expertly as a Bob Hoover.
>> I don't dispute that, but I also think there is some natural
>> coordination and sensory skills that must be possessed also. I've
>> seen many different aerobatic pilots fly and have seen none that
>> seemed the equal of Bob. If anyone truly could do it, it seems like
>> more would have.
>
> There have been many over the years. He's that little bit better than
> mmost, but there are others out there as good. They don't do the sort of
> fying he does and you reall need to be into aerobatics to appreciate
> what they're doing, but I still maintain that Duane Cole was at least as
> good.
> Hoover's also been lucky, as I'm sure he would tell you himself. He's
> rolled an awful lot of airplanes into litle balls over the years. that's
> al part of his experience, of course.
>
>
> Bertie
>

I actually arranged to loan him "Miss America" at Transpo in 72 after he
put his own 51 down on one foot when his gear malfunctioned on him
during a practice flight. He hardly dinged the prop when he landed it.
Damn good job!
Howie only had one restriction that we put on Bob. No one wheel
landings! No matter how good you are, putting a 51 down on one strut and
then the other might very well require a Rockwell expense account to get
the oleos straightened out again if the wind is just right. :-))
Anyway, Hoover's one hell of a pilot, but I agree with you that Duane
was extremely smooth as well.......as are many other professionals
including one my wife knows quite well :-))
D



--
Dudley Henriques

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Dudley Henriques > wrote in
:

> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>> Matt Whiting > wrote in
>> :
>>
>>> Dudley Henriques wrote:
>>>> Matt Whiting wrote:
>>>> I've constantly tried to
>>>>> increase my smoothness to better emulate Bob, knowing full well it
>>>>> simply isn't possible to even get close. However, it is fun
>>>>> trying and it was fun seeing what near perfection looked like.
>>>>
>>>> Actually it is possible to approach the smoothness of Bob Hoover.
>>>> Although Bob is one of the finest pure stick drivers I've ever
>>>> seen, there is nothing magical or even difficult about the way
>>>> Hoover handles an airplane. What Bob does is based on a solid
>>>> knowledge of control dynamics and an ability to predict based on
>>>> hundreds of hours of concentrated practice.
>>>> Bob would be the first to tell you that after all the fan fare
>>>> about his flying ability has been considered, what it all boils
>>>> down to is using the simple basics correctly.
>>>> It's as simple as that. ANY pilot possessing normal coordination
>>>> skills and the desire to learn how to do things correctly coupled
>>>> with a mind set that is geared to practice can fly an airplane
>>>> every bit as smoothly and expertly as a Bob Hoover.
>>> I don't dispute that, but I also think there is some natural
>>> coordination and sensory skills that must be possessed also. I've
>>> seen many different aerobatic pilots fly and have seen none that
>>> seemed the equal of Bob. If anyone truly could do it, it seems like
>>> more would have.
>>
>> There have been many over the years. He's that little bit better than
>> mmost, but there are others out there as good. They don't do the sort
>> of fying he does and you reall need to be into aerobatics to
>> appreciate what they're doing, but I still maintain that Duane Cole
>> was at least as good.
>> Hoover's also been lucky, as I'm sure he would tell you himself. He's
>> rolled an awful lot of airplanes into litle balls over the years.
>> that's al part of his experience, of course.
>>
>>
>> Bertie
>>
>
> I actually arranged to loan him "Miss America" at Transpo in 72 after
> he put his own 51 down on one foot when his gear malfunctioned on him
> during a practice flight. He hardly dinged the prop when he landed it.
> Damn good job!
> Howie only had one restriction that we put on Bob. No one wheel
> landings! No matter how good you are, putting a 51 down on one strut
> and then the other might very well require a Rockwell expense account
> to get the oleos straightened out again if the wind is just right.
> :-)) Anyway, Hoover's one hell of a pilot, but I agree with you that
> Duane was extremely smooth as well.......as are many other
> professionals including one my wife knows quite well :-))

There's a lot of good guys out there, but please don't imagine I'm
dispariging him in any way! Wish I could do half what he's done.

Bertie
>
>
>

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
> Dudley Henriques > wrote in
> :
>
>> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>>> Matt Whiting > wrote in
>>> :
>>>
>>>> Dudley Henriques wrote:
>>>>> Matt Whiting wrote:
>>>>> I've constantly tried to
>>>>>> increase my smoothness to better emulate Bob, knowing full well it
>>>>>> simply isn't possible to even get close. However, it is fun
>>>>>> trying and it was fun seeing what near perfection looked like.
>>>>> Actually it is possible to approach the smoothness of Bob Hoover.
>>>>> Although Bob is one of the finest pure stick drivers I've ever
>>>>> seen, there is nothing magical or even difficult about the way
>>>>> Hoover handles an airplane. What Bob does is based on a solid
>>>>> knowledge of control dynamics and an ability to predict based on
>>>>> hundreds of hours of concentrated practice.
>>>>> Bob would be the first to tell you that after all the fan fare
>>>>> about his flying ability has been considered, what it all boils
>>>>> down to is using the simple basics correctly.
>>>>> It's as simple as that. ANY pilot possessing normal coordination
>>>>> skills and the desire to learn how to do things correctly coupled
>>>>> with a mind set that is geared to practice can fly an airplane
>>>>> every bit as smoothly and expertly as a Bob Hoover.
>>>> I don't dispute that, but I also think there is some natural
>>>> coordination and sensory skills that must be possessed also. I've
>>>> seen many different aerobatic pilots fly and have seen none that
>>>> seemed the equal of Bob. If anyone truly could do it, it seems like
>>>> more would have.
>>> There have been many over the years. He's that little bit better than
>>> mmost, but there are others out there as good. They don't do the sort
>>> of fying he does and you reall need to be into aerobatics to
>>> appreciate what they're doing, but I still maintain that Duane Cole
>>> was at least as good.
>>> Hoover's also been lucky, as I'm sure he would tell you himself. He's
>>> rolled an awful lot of airplanes into litle balls over the years.
>>> that's al part of his experience, of course.
>>>
>>>
>>> Bertie
>>>
>> I actually arranged to loan him "Miss America" at Transpo in 72 after
>> he put his own 51 down on one foot when his gear malfunctioned on him
>> during a practice flight. He hardly dinged the prop when he landed it.
>> Damn good job!
>> Howie only had one restriction that we put on Bob. No one wheel
>> landings! No matter how good you are, putting a 51 down on one strut
>> and then the other might very well require a Rockwell expense account
>> to get the oleos straightened out again if the wind is just right.
>> :-)) Anyway, Hoover's one hell of a pilot, but I agree with you that
>> Duane was extremely smooth as well.......as are many other
>> professionals including one my wife knows quite well :-))
>
> There's a lot of good guys out there, but please don't imagine I'm
> dispariging him in any way! Wish I could do half what he's done.
>
> Bertie
>>
>>
>

The thought never even entered my head Bertie. I think I know you better
than that. Your posting is accurate and honest......although I guess we
have to consider that I have gotten myself into some God awful Usenet
messes following that path :-)))

--
Dudley Henriques

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Dudley Henriques > wrote in news:nc-
:

> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>> Dudley Henriques > wrote in
>> :
>>
>>> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>>>> Matt Whiting > wrote in
>>>> :
>>>>
>>>>> Dudley Henriques wrote:
>>>>>> Matt Whiting wrote:
>>>>>> I've constantly tried to
>>>>>>> increase my smoothness to better emulate Bob, knowing full well
it
>>>>>>> simply isn't possible to even get close. However, it is fun
>>>>>>> trying and it was fun seeing what near perfection looked like.
>>>>>> Actually it is possible to approach the smoothness of Bob Hoover.
>>>>>> Although Bob is one of the finest pure stick drivers I've ever
>>>>>> seen, there is nothing magical or even difficult about the way
>>>>>> Hoover handles an airplane. What Bob does is based on a solid
>>>>>> knowledge of control dynamics and an ability to predict based on
>>>>>> hundreds of hours of concentrated practice.
>>>>>> Bob would be the first to tell you that after all the fan fare
>>>>>> about his flying ability has been considered, what it all boils
>>>>>> down to is using the simple basics correctly.
>>>>>> It's as simple as that. ANY pilot possessing normal coordination
>>>>>> skills and the desire to learn how to do things correctly coupled
>>>>>> with a mind set that is geared to practice can fly an airplane
>>>>>> every bit as smoothly and expertly as a Bob Hoover.
>>>>> I don't dispute that, but I also think there is some natural
>>>>> coordination and sensory skills that must be possessed also. I've
>>>>> seen many different aerobatic pilots fly and have seen none that
>>>>> seemed the equal of Bob. If anyone truly could do it, it seems
like
>>>>> more would have.
>>>> There have been many over the years. He's that little bit better
than
>>>> mmost, but there are others out there as good. They don't do the
sort
>>>> of fying he does and you reall need to be into aerobatics to
>>>> appreciate what they're doing, but I still maintain that Duane Cole
>>>> was at least as good.
>>>> Hoover's also been lucky, as I'm sure he would tell you himself.
He's
>>>> rolled an awful lot of airplanes into litle balls over the years.
>>>> that's al part of his experience, of course.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bertie
>>>>
>>> I actually arranged to loan him "Miss America" at Transpo in 72
after
>>> he put his own 51 down on one foot when his gear malfunctioned on
him
>>> during a practice flight. He hardly dinged the prop when he landed
it.
>>> Damn good job!
>>> Howie only had one restriction that we put on Bob. No one wheel
>>> landings! No matter how good you are, putting a 51 down on one strut
>>> and then the other might very well require a Rockwell expense
account
>>> to get the oleos straightened out again if the wind is just right.
>>> :-)) Anyway, Hoover's one hell of a pilot, but I agree with you that
>>> Duane was extremely smooth as well.......as are many other
>>> professionals including one my wife knows quite well :-))
>>
>> There's a lot of good guys out there, but please don't imagine I'm
>> dispariging him in any way! Wish I could do half what he's done.
>>
>> Bertie
>>>
>>>
>>
>
> The thought never even entered my head Bertie. I think I know you
better
> than that. Your posting is accurate and honest......although I guess
we
> have to consider that I have gotten myself into some God awful Usenet
> messes following that path :-)))


It's just easy to misinterpret that sort of thig, eh?

>

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
> Dudley Henriques > wrote in news:nc-
> :
>
>> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>>> Dudley Henriques > wrote in
>>> :
>>>
>>>> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>>>>> Matt Whiting > wrote in
>>>>> :
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dudley Henriques wrote:
>>>>>>> Matt Whiting wrote:
>>>>>>> I've constantly tried to
>>>>>>>> increase my smoothness to better emulate Bob, knowing full well
> it
>>>>>>>> simply isn't possible to even get close. However, it is fun
>>>>>>>> trying and it was fun seeing what near perfection looked like.
>>>>>>> Actually it is possible to approach the smoothness of Bob Hoover.
>>>>>>> Although Bob is one of the finest pure stick drivers I've ever
>>>>>>> seen, there is nothing magical or even difficult about the way
>>>>>>> Hoover handles an airplane. What Bob does is based on a solid
>>>>>>> knowledge of control dynamics and an ability to predict based on
>>>>>>> hundreds of hours of concentrated practice.
>>>>>>> Bob would be the first to tell you that after all the fan fare
>>>>>>> about his flying ability has been considered, what it all boils
>>>>>>> down to is using the simple basics correctly.
>>>>>>> It's as simple as that. ANY pilot possessing normal coordination
>>>>>>> skills and the desire to learn how to do things correctly coupled
>>>>>>> with a mind set that is geared to practice can fly an airplane
>>>>>>> every bit as smoothly and expertly as a Bob Hoover.
>>>>>> I don't dispute that, but I also think there is some natural
>>>>>> coordination and sensory skills that must be possessed also. I've
>>>>>> seen many different aerobatic pilots fly and have seen none that
>>>>>> seemed the equal of Bob. If anyone truly could do it, it seems
> like
>>>>>> more would have.
>>>>> There have been many over the years. He's that little bit better
> than
>>>>> mmost, but there are others out there as good. They don't do the
> sort
>>>>> of fying he does and you reall need to be into aerobatics to
>>>>> appreciate what they're doing, but I still maintain that Duane Cole
>>>>> was at least as good.
>>>>> Hoover's also been lucky, as I'm sure he would tell you himself.
> He's
>>>>> rolled an awful lot of airplanes into litle balls over the years.
>>>>> that's al part of his experience, of course.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Bertie
>>>>>
>>>> I actually arranged to loan him "Miss America" at Transpo in 72
> after
>>>> he put his own 51 down on one foot when his gear malfunctioned on
> him
>>>> during a practice flight. He hardly dinged the prop when he landed
> it.
>>>> Damn good job!
>>>> Howie only had one restriction that we put on Bob. No one wheel
>>>> landings! No matter how good you are, putting a 51 down on one strut
>>>> and then the other might very well require a Rockwell expense
> account
>>>> to get the oleos straightened out again if the wind is just right.
>>>> :-)) Anyway, Hoover's one hell of a pilot, but I agree with you that
>>>> Duane was extremely smooth as well.......as are many other
>>>> professionals including one my wife knows quite well :-))
>>> There's a lot of good guys out there, but please don't imagine I'm
>>> dispariging him in any way! Wish I could do half what he's done.
>>>
>>> Bertie
>>>>
>> The thought never even entered my head Bertie. I think I know you
> better
>> than that. Your posting is accurate and honest......although I guess
> we
>> have to consider that I have gotten myself into some God awful Usenet
>> messes following that path :-)))
>
>
> It's just easy to misinterpret that sort of thig, eh?
>
>

Not between two old foggies like us. We know better :-))

--
Dudley Henriques

[Big John]

Dudley

I have a flock (note OT word) of Squirrels that are part of the Zoo
(including lots of different birds) I feed on my patio. I put their
food out and ring their dinner bell and by the time I'm in the house
looking out window, there they all are stuffing themselves.

Since you trained your Squirrel to eat out of your hand, please pass
that training info along to us poor guys that also can't fly no more
:o)

New subject.

Have you read the small book by Cmdr Moore (Navy) called The Wrong
Stuff? If you haven't, when I get back from my plane wan-ta bees here,
could ship to you to read. Kind of interesting and know you would
enjoy if you haven't read.

Big John

************************************************** ***********

On Sat, 29 Sep 2007 14:13:16 -0400, Dudley Henriques
> wrote:

>Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>> Dudley Henriques > wrote in
>> :
>>
>>> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>>>
>>>> Anyhow, just thinking about doing spins is giving me a headache these
>>>> days!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bertie
>>>>
>>> Me as well. My flying days are behind me. I'm still quite active as a
>>> consultant in the airshow safety community and that keeps me
>>> busy....that and YARD WORK !!!!
>>> :-)
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Ugh. Yard work.
>>
>> Bertie
>
>Horrible stuff, yard work! And there are other things too that make
>retirement a royal bitch. Take that damn squirrel of mine...yes I have a
>pet squirrel :-)) Little bugger started coming up onto the back deck and
>me like an idiot decided that he was so cute I should start training him
>to eat out of my hand.
>Out comes my wife and promptly tells me,
>"Hon, PLEASE don't feed the squirrels. They'll end up coming around and
>eating all my flowers".
>
>"Hell" says me, why would they eat your flowers when I'm giving them all
>this good stuff?"
>
>"PLEASE", she says; don't do it! They'll eat the flowers".
>
>Well, this morning guess what happened?
>
>God, I wish I was flying again!!!!
>:-)))

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

Big John wrote:
> Dudley
>
> I have a flock (note OT word) of Squirrels that are part of the Zoo
> (including lots of different birds) I feed on my patio. I put their
> food out and ring their dinner bell and by the time I'm in the house
> looking out window, there they all are stuffing themselves.
>
> Since you trained your Squirrel to eat out of your hand, please pass
> that training info along to us poor guys that also can't fly no more
> :o)
>
> New subject.
>
> Have you read the small book by Cmdr Moore (Navy) called The Wrong
> Stuff? If you haven't, when I get back from my plane wan-ta bees here,
> could ship to you to read. Kind of interesting and know you would
> enjoy if you haven't read.
>
> Big John
>
> ************************************************** ***********
>
> On Sat, 29 Sep 2007 14:13:16 -0400, Dudley Henriques
> > wrote:
>
>> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>>> Dudley Henriques > wrote in
>>> :
>>>
>>>> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Anyhow, just thinking about doing spins is giving me a headache these
>>>>> days!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Bertie
>>>>>
>>>> Me as well. My flying days are behind me. I'm still quite active as a
>>>> consultant in the airshow safety community and that keeps me
>>>> busy....that and YARD WORK !!!!
>>>> :-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Ugh. Yard work.
>>>
>>> Bertie
>> Horrible stuff, yard work! And there are other things too that make
>> retirement a royal bitch. Take that damn squirrel of mine...yes I have a
>> pet squirrel :-)) Little bugger started coming up onto the back deck and
>> me like an idiot decided that he was so cute I should start training him
>> to eat out of my hand.
>> Out comes my wife and promptly tells me,
>> "Hon, PLEASE don't feed the squirrels. They'll end up coming around and
>> eating all my flowers".
>>
>> "Hell" says me, why would they eat your flowers when I'm giving them all
>> this good stuff?"
>>
>> "PLEASE", she says; don't do it! They'll eat the flowers".
>>
>> Well, this morning guess what happened?
>>
>> God, I wish I was flying again!!!!
>> :-)))
>


Hi John;

About feeding the squirrel; It took a great deal of patience and so far
only a few have responded. What I do is take a small piece of bread and
speak slowly and in a very gentle voice to the squirrel; sort of like
you would do with a cat. The objective is to be totally non threatening
so I hold out the bread in my fingers and I don't move either my hand or
my body at all.
I let the animal make it's own advance toward my hand as I speak to it
gently.
I find that the squirrel will respond VERY tentatively and cautiously.
It advances slowly and sometimes retreats back a bit then comes in closer.
Finally, it will come up to my extended hand and VERY gently...and I
mean GENTLY, take the bread from my fingers. There is absolutely no
tendency to bite and absolutely no aggression is present.
He used to take the bread and back up to the porch rail and eat it, but
I'm astounded that as he has gained confidence in my intention to do him
no harm, he has taken the bread and sat right there next to me eating it.
I understand that wild animals are unpredictable and can suddenly turn
on you, but for some reason I honestly believe that they can sense
kindness and non aggression and they respond in kind.
Sorry for the long story. Must be the old test pilot in me wanting to
get all the data points out ok :-)
Anyway, you get the picture. I wish you luck with your squirrel
"relationships"

I appreciate the offer of the book, but I find I don't read much for
pleasure any more as it's hard for me to focus properly on printed pages
for extended periods of time. It's the floaters in my left eye. They
drive me nuts trying to read.
I do manage the reports and official stuff that I absolutely have to
take care of, but even that is getting harder to do.
Hope the squirrel lesson gets you some results. :-))
D


--
Dudley Henriques

[Big John]

Dudley

Tnx for your suggested use of patience. I'll get my glass of Vodka
(Called a Booze Berry) and go sit and see if I can get one or more to
come to me. Right now am feeding them Sun Flower Seeds and Corn on the
Cob, both of which they love. May be able to take the ear of corn and
hold and see if I can get them to come to it :o)

One more story about Bob.

The Air Defense Command bought some F-86D All Wx Interceptors. They
had radar with the antenna on top of the nose intake. Armed with 24 2
3/4 inch FFAR (folding fin aireal rocket). Engine was J-47 with AB.

Compared to the original F-86, these birds were heavy and flew like a
truck even with AB. With the suffix "D" they were called "Dogs" and am
told they flew like one :o)

The pilots flying these All Weather Birds were having accidents in
them and were getting scared of them.

So, a Tech Rep (Bob Hoover) was sent up to WADF and Bob took a "Dog"
to show the WADF staff and Squadron Pilots what if really could do.

He fired up and taxied to end of R/W and ran up and plugged the burner
in. Let stabilize and released brakes and watching him I saw the slab
go full up. Bird only rolled a few hundred feet and with AB and full
up slab rotated and came off the ground riding on the AB flame (not
the wing) into a 45 degree nose up climb. He went to about 20 feet and
started a roll holding the nose in the same 45 degree attitude above
the horizon as when he broke ground. As he was finishing the roll he
dished out and bird came down still in a 45 degree nose high attitude
and wheels just missed hitting the runway about by about 12 inches. He
then did a lot of things with bird such as run down runway on one main
gear dragging the aileron. Did this on both gears so dinged both
ailerons. Forget now the rest of the things he did but after landing
the Air Defense Command would not loan him any other planes since he
bent that one by dragging both ailerons (intentionaly).

To say the least, the bitching about the bird stopped, even if it
didn't fly any better for the average jock.

I ended up stopping watching Bob fly as he was always so close to the
ragged edge. I just didn't want to watch him crash and die so I
stopped looking and he didn't :o)

Bob had the ability to feel just what his airplane was doing and how
much it had left and how much of the controls he could put in to keep
on the ragged edge.

I've seen Cole and other very good Acro pIlots but I give Bob my vote
as #1.

Big John
************************************************** ***

On Sat, 29 Sep 2007 22:24:18 -0400, Dudley Henriques
> wrote:

>Big John wrote:
>> Dudley
>>
>> I have a flock (note OT word) of Squirrels that are part of the Zoo
>> (including lots of different birds) I feed on my patio. I put their
>> food out and ring their dinner bell and by the time I'm in the house
>> looking out window, there they all are stuffing themselves.
>>
>> Since you trained your Squirrel to eat out of your hand, please pass
>> that training info along to us poor guys that also can't fly no more
>> :o)
>>
>> New subject.
>>
>> Have you read the small book by Cmdr Moore (Navy) called The Wrong
>> Stuff? If you haven't, when I get back from my plane wan-ta bees here,
>> could ship to you to read. Kind of interesting and know you would
>> enjoy if you haven't read.
>>
>> Big John
>>
>> ************************************************** ***********
>>
>> On Sat, 29 Sep 2007 14:13:16 -0400, Dudley Henriques
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>>>> Dudley Henriques > wrote in
>>>> :
>>>>
>>>>> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyhow, just thinking about doing spins is giving me a headache these
>>>>>> days!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bertie
>>>>>>
>>>>> Me as well. My flying days are behind me. I'm still quite active as a
>>>>> consultant in the airshow safety community and that keeps me
>>>>> busy....that and YARD WORK !!!!
>>>>> :-)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Ugh. Yard work.
>>>>
>>>> Bertie
>>> Horrible stuff, yard work! And there are other things too that make
>>> retirement a royal bitch. Take that damn squirrel of mine...yes I have a
>>> pet squirrel :-)) Little bugger started coming up onto the back deck and
>>> me like an idiot decided that he was so cute I should start training him
>>> to eat out of my hand.
>>> Out comes my wife and promptly tells me,
>>> "Hon, PLEASE don't feed the squirrels. They'll end up coming around and
>>> eating all my flowers".
>>>
>>> "Hell" says me, why would they eat your flowers when I'm giving them all
>>> this good stuff?"
>>>
>>> "PLEASE", she says; don't do it! They'll eat the flowers".
>>>
>>> Well, this morning guess what happened?
>>>
>>> God, I wish I was flying again!!!!
>>> :-)))
>>
>
>
>Hi John;
>
>About feeding the squirrel; It took a great deal of patience and so far
>only a few have responded. What I do is take a small piece of bread and
>speak slowly and in a very gentle voice to the squirrel; sort of like
>you would do with a cat. The objective is to be totally non threatening
>so I hold out the bread in my fingers and I don't move either my hand or
>my body at all.
>I let the animal make it's own advance toward my hand as I speak to it
>gently.
>I find that the squirrel will respond VERY tentatively and cautiously.
>It advances slowly and sometimes retreats back a bit then comes in closer.
>Finally, it will come up to my extended hand and VERY gently...and I
>mean GENTLY, take the bread from my fingers. There is absolutely no
>tendency to bite and absolutely no aggression is present.
>He used to take the bread and back up to the porch rail and eat it, but
>I'm astounded that as he has gained confidence in my intention to do him
>no harm, he has taken the bread and sat right there next to me eating it.
>I understand that wild animals are unpredictable and can suddenly turn
>on you, but for some reason I honestly believe that they can sense
>kindness and non aggression and they respond in kind.
>Sorry for the long story. Must be the old test pilot in me wanting to
>get all the data points out ok :-)
>Anyway, you get the picture. I wish you luck with your squirrel
>"relationships"
>
>I appreciate the offer of the book, but I find I don't read much for
>pleasure any more as it's hard for me to focus properly on printed pages
>for extended periods of time. It's the floaters in my left eye. They
>drive me nuts trying to read.
>I do manage the reports and official stuff that I absolutely have to
>take care of, but even that is getting harder to do.
>Hope the squirrel lesson gets you some results. :-))
>D

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

Big John wrote:
> Dudley
>
> Tnx for your suggested use of patience. I'll get my glass of Vodka
> (Called a Booze Berry) and go sit and see if I can get one or more to
> come to me. Right now am feeding them Sun Flower Seeds and Corn on the
> Cob, both of which they love. May be able to take the ear of corn and
> hold and see if I can get them to come to it :o)
>
> One more story about Bob.
>
> The Air Defense Command bought some F-86D All Wx Interceptors. They
> had radar with the antenna on top of the nose intake. Armed with 24 2
> 3/4 inch FFAR (folding fin aireal rocket). Engine was J-47 with AB.
>
> Compared to the original F-86, these birds were heavy and flew like a
> truck even with AB. With the suffix "D" they were called "Dogs" and am
> told they flew like one :o)
>
> The pilots flying these All Weather Birds were having accidents in
> them and were getting scared of them.
>
> So, a Tech Rep (Bob Hoover) was sent up to WADF and Bob took a "Dog"
> to show the WADF staff and Squadron Pilots what if really could do.
>
> He fired up and taxied to end of R/W and ran up and plugged the burner
> in. Let stabilize and released brakes and watching him I saw the slab
> go full up. Bird only rolled a few hundred feet and with AB and full
> up slab rotated and came off the ground riding on the AB flame (not
> the wing) into a 45 degree nose up climb. He went to about 20 feet and
> started a roll holding the nose in the same 45 degree attitude above
> the horizon as when he broke ground. As he was finishing the roll he
> dished out and bird came down still in a 45 degree nose high attitude
> and wheels just missed hitting the runway about by about 12 inches. He
> then did a lot of things with bird such as run down runway on one main
> gear dragging the aileron. Did this on both gears so dinged both
> ailerons. Forget now the rest of the things he did but after landing
> the Air Defense Command would not loan him any other planes since he
> bent that one by dragging both ailerons (intentionaly).
>
> To say the least, the bitching about the bird stopped, even if it
> didn't fly any better for the average jock.
>
> I ended up stopping watching Bob fly as he was always so close to the
> ragged edge. I just didn't want to watch him crash and die so I
> stopped looking and he didn't :o)
>
> Bob had the ability to feel just what his airplane was doing and how
> much it had left and how much of the controls he could put in to keep
> on the ragged edge.
>
> I've seen Cole and other very good Acro pIlots but I give Bob my vote
> as #1.
>
> Big John
> ************************************************** ***
>
> On Sat, 29 Sep 2007 22:24:18 -0400, Dudley Henriques
> > wrote:
>
>> Big John wrote:
>>> Dudley
>>>
>>> I have a flock (note OT word) of Squirrels that are part of the Zoo
>>> (including lots of different birds) I feed on my patio. I put their
>>> food out and ring their dinner bell and by the time I'm in the house
>>> looking out window, there they all are stuffing themselves.
>>>
>>> Since you trained your Squirrel to eat out of your hand, please pass
>>> that training info along to us poor guys that also can't fly no more
>>> :o)
>>>
>>> New subject.
>>>
>>> Have you read the small book by Cmdr Moore (Navy) called The Wrong
>>> Stuff? If you haven't, when I get back from my plane wan-ta bees here,
>>> could ship to you to read. Kind of interesting and know you would
>>> enjoy if you haven't read.
>>>
>>> Big John
>>>
>>> ************************************************** ***********
>>>
>>> On Sat, 29 Sep 2007 14:13:16 -0400, Dudley Henriques
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>>>>> Dudley Henriques > wrote in
>>>>> :
>>>>>
>>>>>> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anyhow, just thinking about doing spins is giving me a headache these
>>>>>>> days!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bertie
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Me as well. My flying days are behind me. I'm still quite active as a
>>>>>> consultant in the airshow safety community and that keeps me
>>>>>> busy....that and YARD WORK !!!!
>>>>>> :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Ugh. Yard work.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bertie
>>>> Horrible stuff, yard work! And there are other things too that make
>>>> retirement a royal bitch. Take that damn squirrel of mine...yes I have a
>>>> pet squirrel :-)) Little bugger started coming up onto the back deck and
>>>> me like an idiot decided that he was so cute I should start training him
>>>> to eat out of my hand.
>>>> Out comes my wife and promptly tells me,
>>>> "Hon, PLEASE don't feed the squirrels. They'll end up coming around and
>>>> eating all my flowers".
>>>>
>>>> "Hell" says me, why would they eat your flowers when I'm giving them all
>>>> this good stuff?"
>>>>
>>>> "PLEASE", she says; don't do it! They'll eat the flowers".
>>>>
>>>> Well, this morning guess what happened?
>>>>
>>>> God, I wish I was flying again!!!!
>>>> :-)))
>>
>> Hi John;
>>
>> About feeding the squirrel; It took a great deal of patience and so far
>> only a few have responded. What I do is take a small piece of bread and
>> speak slowly and in a very gentle voice to the squirrel; sort of like
>> you would do with a cat. The objective is to be totally non threatening
>> so I hold out the bread in my fingers and I don't move either my hand or
>> my body at all.
>> I let the animal make it's own advance toward my hand as I speak to it
>> gently.
>> I find that the squirrel will respond VERY tentatively and cautiously.
>> It advances slowly and sometimes retreats back a bit then comes in closer.
>> Finally, it will come up to my extended hand and VERY gently...and I
>> mean GENTLY, take the bread from my fingers. There is absolutely no
>> tendency to bite and absolutely no aggression is present.
>> He used to take the bread and back up to the porch rail and eat it, but
>> I'm astounded that as he has gained confidence in my intention to do him
>> no harm, he has taken the bread and sat right there next to me eating it.
>> I understand that wild animals are unpredictable and can suddenly turn
>> on you, but for some reason I honestly believe that they can sense
>> kindness and non aggression and they respond in kind.
>> Sorry for the long story. Must be the old test pilot in me wanting to
>> get all the data points out ok :-)
>> Anyway, you get the picture. I wish you luck with your squirrel
>> "relationships"
>>
>> I appreciate the offer of the book, but I find I don't read much for
>> pleasure any more as it's hard for me to focus properly on printed pages
>> for extended periods of time. It's the floaters in my left eye. They
>> drive me nuts trying to read.
>> I do manage the reports and official stuff that I absolutely have to
>> take care of, but even that is getting harder to do.
>> Hope the squirrel lesson gets you some results. :-))
>> D
>

Yes, I remember the demonstrations Bob did in the 86D. He did one as
well in the F100 for basically the same reason. It was heavy and had
some idiosyncrasies the guys were complaining about. In the Hun it was
blowing tires if I remember right.
Bob's roll on takeoff in the Sabre was on the edge, you are absolutely
correct.
I totally agree with your evaluation of Bob's technique. He was indeed
one of those rare guys who could play on the ragged edge without
crossing the line. John Boyd was another stick with this ability. With
Boyd it was the ability to play the energy game to a fine edge.
Actually I've crossed paths with many pilots during my tenure in
aviation who had these abilities. You can spot them right away as you
watch them fly or fly with them.
Like you, I've marveled at Bob's ability to maintain his edge through
the years. it's a strange thing to say, but i'll actually be glad when
he hangs it up. His glasses have gotten thicker and thicker over the
years. it's a smart pilot who knows when it's all been done and it's
time to let it go.
Bob deserves to spend the rest of his days enjoying what he has done
with his life and I hope he gets to sit out there on his veranda in
Palos Verdes and enjoy the view in retirement for a very long time.

Dudley

--
Dudley Henriques

[Dan Luke[_2_]]

"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
...
> Big John wrote:

[snip]

I love usenet! Great stories, guys.

--
Dan
T-182T at BFM

[Matt Whiting]

Big John wrote:

> I ended up stopping watching Bob fly as he was always so close to the
> ragged edge. I just didn't want to watch him crash and die so I
> stopped looking and he didn't :o)

And for that we are all thankful!! :-)

Seriously, my primary flight instructor was like this, albeit in single
engine Cessnas rather than jets. He was in his 50s when I learned from
him and is now in his 80s and still flying pretty well. He let me get
so close to the edge that I thought I was going to kill us both and then
he'd calmly take the plane and restore order.

Unlike most other instructors I flew with (probably 8-10 since 1978), he
was always completely at ease and relaxed. He just knew where the edge
was and he knew is own capabilities and he would let you go right to the
edge and then he'd calmly bring you back.

I'm not claiming he is a Bob Hoover, but he certainly knew how to fly a
C-1xx very well.

Matt

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

john smith wrote:
> In article >,
> Dudley Henriques > wrote:
>
>> I totally agree with your evaluation of Bob's technique. He was indeed
>> one of those rare guys who could play on the ragged edge without
>> crossing the line. John Boyd was another stick with this ability. With
>> Boyd it was the ability to play the energy game to a fine edge.
>
> Dudley,
> I for one would be very interested in what you can tell us about John
> Boyd. After reading his biography, all the other information about him
> relates to his theory of warfare.
>
> Thanks.

John was the father of the Energy Maneuverability concept among many
other things. His early work on EM along with E.T. Christi and Ed
Rutowski became the basis for much of what we now use in design concept,
test flying, and especially comparative performance formats where
dissimilar fighter planes (and others as well) can be compared based on
their specific excess power (Ps).
There is much controversy about John Boyd, mostly from men of lesser
standing if I might add. He was flamboyant, took crap from no one, and
spoke his mind at all times, several of which as I recall were somewhat
detrimental to his career in the Air Force.
I knew him as a friend and liked him a great deal.
John developed a reputation by challenging every fighter pilot he met at
the local O Club to a head to head. His standing challenge was that he
could convert on anyone and be in their kill zone within 40 seconds.
John was referred to throughout the Air Force as "40 second Boyd".
The real rub with some ex Air Force pilots who to this day say they
didn't like John is that to my knowledge anyway, no one ever beat him
when the wheels hit the wells. I think he converted on every pilot he
ever met on that bet of his. There may be a case where John lost to
another pilot in these head to head's but I've not seen it proven in all
the years since it happened.
The bottom line on John Boyd was that he probably never won a
personality contest, but he was one hell of a fighter pilot and probably
one of the finest tactical minds of our lifetime.


--
Dudley Henriques

[Rich Ahrens[_2_]]

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
> Dudley Henriques > wrote in
> :
>
>> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>>> B A R R Y > wrote in
>>> :
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 29 Sep 2007 18:34:06 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> 'Course they'd have to actually BE a pilot. Lest Anthony starts
>>>>> getting notions
>>>> It's really easy to pour a glass of water while rolling the sim.
>>>>
>>> Well, in anthony's case, a simulated glass of water, maybe.
>>>
>>> bertie
>> Have you ever considered the possibility that Anthony himself could be
>> simulated?
>> :-))
>>
>
> Hmm, an idiot-bot. Why haven't we been able to see this before?

We have. His name was Tarver, remember?

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Rich Ahrens > wrote in news:47007776$0$97900
:

> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>> Dudley Henriques > wrote in
>> :
>>
>>> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>>>> B A R R Y > wrote in
>>>> :
>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 29 Sep 2007 18:34:06 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> 'Course they'd have to actually BE a pilot. Lest Anthony starts
>>>>>> getting notions
>>>>> It's really easy to pour a glass of water while rolling the sim.
>>>>>
>>>> Well, in anthony's case, a simulated glass of water, maybe.
>>>>
>>>> bertie
>>> Have you ever considered the possibility that Anthony himself could be
>>> simulated?
>>> :-))
>>>
>>
>> Hmm, an idiot-bot. Why haven't we been able to see this before?
>
> We have. His name was Tarver, remember?
>

Ah yes. Although even thinking about him is giving me a headache.

Bertie
>

[Dan Luke[_2_]]

"john smith" wrote:

> In Hoover's biography, I believe he states that his favorite aircraft to
> fly was the F-86.

My ol' buddy Jack Scheider, whom I haven't seen in years, used to say how much
he loved flying the F-86, calling it "a Cadillac."

How about it, you emeritus fighter jocks, give us some stories about flying
the Saberjet!

Pleeeease?

--
Dan
T-182T at BFM

[Big John]

Dan

I flew the Saberliner. Does that count?

Big John
*********************************************

On Mon, 1 Oct 2007 17:42:59 -0500, "Dan Luke"
> wrote:

>
>"john smith" wrote:
>
>> In Hoover's biography, I believe he states that his favorite aircraft to
>> fly was the F-86.
>
>My ol' buddy Jack Scheider, whom I haven't seen in years, used to say how much
>he loved flying the F-86, calling it "a Cadillac."
>
>How about it, you emeritus fighter jocks, give us some stories about flying
>the Saberjet!
>
>Pleeeease?

[John Doe[_4_]]

Dudley Henriques > wrote:

> About feeding the squirrel; It took a great deal of patience and
> so far only a few have responded. What I do is take a small piece
> of bread and speak slowly and in a very gentle voice to the
> squirrel; sort of like you would do with a cat. The objective is
> to be totally non threatening so I hold out the bread in my
> fingers and I don't move either my hand or my body at all. I let
> the animal make it's own advance toward my hand as I speak to it
> gently. I find that the squirrel will respond VERY tentatively and
> cautiously. It advances slowly and sometimes retreats back a bit
> then comes in closer. Finally, it will come up to my extended hand
> and VERY gently...and I mean GENTLY, take the bread from my
> fingers. There is absolutely no tendency to bite and absolutely no
> aggression is present. He used to take the bread and back up to
> the porch rail and eat it, but I'm astounded that as he has gained
> confidence in my intention to do him no harm, he has taken the
> bread and sat right there next to me eating it. I understand that
> wild animals are unpredictable and can suddenly turn on you, but
> for some reason I honestly believe that they can sense kindness
> and non aggression and they respond in kind.

Getting them to sense food is a major accomplishment.

I think the reputation comes from (among how many other possible
reasons) the fact that wild animals have to react very quickly in
their normal environment where they have little time to consider
responses. Also, they are used to dealing with their own, not us
relatively clumsy human beings.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

John Doe > wrote in news:09oPi.2200$lE2.536
@newssvr22.news.prodigy.net:

> Dudley Henriques > wrote:
>
>> About feeding the squirrel; It took a great deal of patience and
>> so far only a few have responded. What I do is take a small piece
>> of bread and speak slowly and in a very gentle voice to the
>> squirrel; sort of like you would do with a cat. The objective is
>> to be totally non threatening so I hold out the bread in my
>> fingers and I don't move either my hand or my body at all. I let
>> the animal make it's own advance toward my hand as I speak to it
>> gently. I find that the squirrel will respond VERY tentatively and
>> cautiously. It advances slowly and sometimes retreats back a bit
>> then comes in closer. Finally, it will come up to my extended hand
>> and VERY gently...and I mean GENTLY, take the bread from my
>> fingers. There is absolutely no tendency to bite and absolutely no
>> aggression is present. He used to take the bread and back up to
>> the porch rail and eat it, but I'm astounded that as he has gained
>> confidence in my intention to do him no harm, he has taken the
>> bread and sat right there next to me eating it. I understand that
>> wild animals are unpredictable and can suddenly turn on you, but
>> for some reason I honestly believe that they can sense kindness
>> and non aggression and they respond in kind.
>
> Getting them to sense food is a major accomplishment.
>
> I think the reputation comes from (among how many other possible
> reasons) the fact that wild animals have to react very quickly in
> their normal environment where they have little time to consider
> responses. Also, they are used to dealing with their own, not us
> relatively clumsy human beings.
>
>
>
Oh the irony.



Bertie