For Bertie

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

Hi Bertie;

I'm not an expert on these things but check the message path for both
Mxemanic and this new guy posting on the lift thread and see what you
come up with.

--
Dudley Henriques

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

Viperdoc wrote:
> Are you suggesting that the village idiot is posting under a pseudonym and
> then answering his own questions? It is obvious that he has some "issues",
> but this would really be over the top.
>
> Of course, le chaud lapin means something like the warm rabbit, so perhaps
> he is luring us like a rabbit would a pack of dogs, and naturally everyone
> fell for it.
>
> Regardless, he's still the village idiot- every community has one. Just
> disengage when he posts- a big "knock-it-off" if he starts some new thread.
>
>
>

Did you check the message path? As I said, I'm not an expert on how
Usenet servers work but they looked identical to me.

--
Dudley Henriques

[TheSmokingGnu]

Dudley Henriques wrote:
> Did you check the message path? As I said, I'm not an expert on how
> Usenet servers work but they looked identical to me.

No need: Google Groups puts the NNTP Posting Host in the headers. Luser
#2 is posting from a residential connection in Austin, TX. Even Luser #1
isn't good enough to be using a zombie proxy.

TheSmokingGnu

[Jim Logajan]

Dudley Henriques > wrote:
> Hi Bertie;
>
> I'm not an expert on these things but check the message path for both
> Mxemanic and this new guy posting on the lift thread and see what you
> come up with.

Pardon the intrusion, but if you refer to the posts by Le Chaud Lapin then
I doubt they are the same person. Lapin uses Google Groups (at least the
posts I spot checked) and Google always adds an "NNTP-Posting-Host". The IP
address of Lapin's posts indicate they appear to originate from somewhere
around Austin Texas.

To get an idea of the accuracy of that method, Giganews also does the same
for your posts Dudley. It shows your posts originate from IP address
207.172.126.29. Based on router naming conventions and traceroute, it
suggests your posts may originate from somewhere in Pennsylvania.

Bertie's posts, on the other hand, have appeared to originate from several
places using Google and alt.net Usenet provider. If I had to guess I'd say
Bertie possibly works for DHL and may be based in the UK. Bertie's location
anonymity is probably compromised a bit when he uses Google to post.

[Dallas]

On Thu, 04 Oct 2007 03:22:49 GMT, TheSmokingGnu wrote:

> No need: Google Groups puts the NNTP Posting Host in the headers. Luser
> #2 is posting from a residential connection in Austin, TX.

How'd you get Austin?

Looking up posting-host=70.112.85.30 I just get
OrgName: Road Runner HoldCo LLC in Virginia.

--
Dallas

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

Jim Logajan wrote:
> Dudley Henriques > wrote:
>> Hi Bertie;
>>
>> I'm not an expert on these things but check the message path for both
>> Mxemanic and this new guy posting on the lift thread and see what you
>> come up with.
>
> Pardon the intrusion, but if you refer to the posts by Le Chaud Lapin then
> I doubt they are the same person. Lapin uses Google Groups (at least the
> posts I spot checked) and Google always adds an "NNTP-Posting-Host". The IP
> address of Lapin's posts indicate they appear to originate from somewhere
> around Austin Texas.
>
> To get an idea of the accuracy of that method, Giganews also does the same
> for your posts Dudley. It shows your posts originate from IP address
> 207.172.126.29. Based on router naming conventions and traceroute, it
> suggests your posts may originate from somewhere in Pennsylvania.
>
> Bertie's posts, on the other hand, have appeared to originate from several
> places using Google and alt.net Usenet provider. If I had to guess I'd say
> Bertie possibly works for DHL and may be based in the UK. Bertie's location
> anonymity is probably compromised a bit when he uses Google to post.

Interesting. I've got to catch up on this stuff. :-)

--
Dudley Henriques

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

TheSmokingGnu wrote:
> Dudley Henriques wrote:
>> Did you check the message path? As I said, I'm not an expert on how
>> Usenet servers work but they looked identical to me.
>
> No need: Google Groups puts the NNTP Posting Host in the headers. Luser
> #2 is posting from a residential connection in Austin, TX. Even Luser #1
> isn't good enough to be using a zombie proxy.
>
> TheSmokingGnu
>

That's great. Now we have TWO contenders for Mr. Congeniality :-))

--
Dudley Henriques

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Dudley Henriques > wrote in
:

> Hi Bertie;
>
> I'm not an expert on these things but check the message path for both
> Mxemanic and this new guy posting on the lift thread and see what you
> come up with.
>

Didn't bother. It's Anthony, alright. If it dosn't match he's using a proxy
is all.

That other nazi fjukkwit is also doing the sockpuppet game the same way.


Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Dudley Henriques > wrote in
:

> Viperdoc wrote:
>> Are you suggesting that the village idiot is posting under a
>> pseudonym and then answering his own questions? It is obvious that he
>> has some "issues", but this would really be over the top.
>>
>> Of course, le chaud lapin means something like the warm rabbit, so
>> perhaps he is luring us like a rabbit would a pack of dogs, and
>> naturally everyone fell for it.
>>
>> Regardless, he's still the village idiot- every community has one.
>> Just disengage when he posts- a big "knock-it-off" if he starts some
>> new thread.
>>
>>
>>
>
> Did you check the message path? As I said, I'm not an expert on how
> Usenet servers work but they looked identical to me.
>



Her you go Dudley. Just type the ip number in if there is one and voila!
you find the source.

It can dead end on a proxy though (you'd never figure where I'm posting
from , for instance). and since he's at least moderately computer savvy
an crazy as a bedbug I'd say h does just that with his sockpuppets in
order to provide deniability.

Sooner or later all k00ks hat are voices in the wilderness do this.

The plan from here is for MXSmanic to "convince" the rabbit that his
view is the only possible correct one. The rabbit, being as brght as
Anthony, of course,, will see the error of his ways and become a
converted bernoulli denier.

It's like i'm David Attenborough descrbing some strange sort of alien
wildlife, eh?


It's a beautiful thing to watch a k00k melt down.


Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Jim Logajan > wrote in
:

> Dudley Henriques > wrote:
>> Hi Bertie;
>>
>> I'm not an expert on these things but check the message path for both
>> Mxemanic and this new guy posting on the lift thread and see what you
>> come up with.
>
> Pardon the intrusion, but if you refer to the posts by Le Chaud Lapin
> then I doubt they are the same person. Lapin uses Google Groups (at
> least the posts I spot checked) and Google always adds an
> "NNTP-Posting-Host". The IP address of Lapin's posts indicate they
> appear to originate from somewhere around Austin Texas.
>
> To get an idea of the accuracy of that method, Giganews also does the
> same for your posts Dudley. It shows your posts originate from IP
> address 207.172.126.29. Based on router naming conventions and
> traceroute, it suggests your posts may originate from somewhere in
> Pennsylvania.
>
> Bertie's posts, on the other hand, have appeared to originate from
> several places using Google and alt.net Usenet provider. If I had to
> guess I'd say Bertie possibly works for DHL and may be based in the
> UK. Bertie's location anonymity is probably compromised a bit when he
> uses Google to post.
>



Nope, nice try though!


I was once nailed down to the Sultan of Brunei's palace though. TGhat
was clse.

One guy also traced me back to his own living room.

Those were the days.




Bertie

[Super Dave[_2_]]

"Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
...
> TheSmokingGnu wrote:
> > Dudley Henriques wrote:
> >> Did you check the message path? As I said, I'm not an expert on how
> >> Usenet servers work but they looked identical to me.
> >
> > No need: Google Groups puts the NNTP Posting Host in the headers. Luser
> > #2 is posting from a residential connection in Austin, TX. Even Luser #1
> > isn't good enough to be using a zombie proxy.
> >
> > TheSmokingGnu
> >
>
> That's great. Now we have TWO contenders for Mr. Congeniality :-))
>

Or, Mr. Know-It-All.

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
> Dudley Henriques > wrote in
> :
>
>> Viperdoc wrote:
>>> Are you suggesting that the village idiot is posting under a
>>> pseudonym and then answering his own questions? It is obvious that he
>>> has some "issues", but this would really be over the top.
>>>
>>> Of course, le chaud lapin means something like the warm rabbit, so
>>> perhaps he is luring us like a rabbit would a pack of dogs, and
>>> naturally everyone fell for it.
>>>
>>> Regardless, he's still the village idiot- every community has one.
>>> Just disengage when he posts- a big "knock-it-off" if he starts some
>>> new thread.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Did you check the message path? As I said, I'm not an expert on how
>> Usenet servers work but they looked identical to me.
>>
>
>
>
> Her you go Dudley. Just type the ip number in if there is one and voila!
> you find the source.
>
> It can dead end on a proxy though (you'd never figure where I'm posting
> from , for instance). and since he's at least moderately computer savvy
> an crazy as a bedbug I'd say h does just that with his sockpuppets in
> order to provide deniability.
>
> Sooner or later all k00ks hat are voices in the wilderness do this.
>
> The plan from here is for MXSmanic to "convince" the rabbit that his
> view is the only possible correct one. The rabbit, being as brght as
> Anthony, of course,, will see the error of his ways and become a
> converted bernoulli denier.
>
> It's like i'm David Attenborough descrbing some strange sort of alien
> wildlife, eh?
>
>
> It's a beautiful thing to watch a k00k melt down.
>
>
> Bertie

I had a student like this guy once, or I should say I had him for the
one lesson it took me to ask him politely to find himself another
instructor.
D

--
Dudley Henriques

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
> Dudley Henriques > wrote in
> :
>
>> Hi Bertie;
>>
>> I'm not an expert on these things but check the message path for both
>> Mxemanic and this new guy posting on the lift thread and see what you
>> come up with.
>>
>
> Didn't bother. It's Anthony, alright. If it dosn't match he's using a proxy
> is all.
>
> That other nazi fjukkwit is also doing the sockpuppet game the same way.
>
>
> Bertie

Strange parity between the two :-)
D

--
Dudley Henriques

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Dudley Henriques > wrote in
:

> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>> Dudley Henriques > wrote in
>> :
>>
>>> Viperdoc wrote:
>>>> Are you suggesting that the village idiot is posting under a
>>>> pseudonym and then answering his own questions? It is obvious that
>>>> he has some "issues", but this would really be over the top.
>>>>
>>>> Of course, le chaud lapin means something like the warm rabbit, so
>>>> perhaps he is luring us like a rabbit would a pack of dogs, and
>>>> naturally everyone fell for it.
>>>>
>>>> Regardless, he's still the village idiot- every community has one.
>>>> Just disengage when he posts- a big "knock-it-off" if he starts
>>>> some new thread.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Did you check the message path? As I said, I'm not an expert on how
>>> Usenet servers work but they looked identical to me.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Her you go Dudley. Just type the ip number in if there is one and
>> voila! you find the source.
>>
>> It can dead end on a proxy though (you'd never figure where I'm
>> posting from , for instance). and since he's at least moderately
>> computer savvy an crazy as a bedbug I'd say h does just that with his
>> sockpuppets in order to provide deniability.
>>
>> Sooner or later all k00ks hat are voices in the wilderness do this.
>>
>> The plan from here is for MXSmanic to "convince" the rabbit that his
>> view is the only possible correct one. The rabbit, being as brght as
>> Anthony, of course,, will see the error of his ways and become a
>> converted bernoulli denier.
>>
>> It's like i'm David Attenborough descrbing some strange sort of alien
>> wildlife, eh?
>>
>>
>> It's a beautiful thing to watch a k00k melt down.
>>
>>
>> Bertie
>
> I had a student like this guy once, or I should say I had him for the
> one lesson it took me to ask him politely to find himself another
> instructor.
> D


I'd have shot him after ten minutes


Bertie
>

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
> Dudley Henriques > wrote in
> :
>
>> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>>> Dudley Henriques > wrote in
>>> :
>>>
>>>> Viperdoc wrote:
>>>>> Are you suggesting that the village idiot is posting under a
>>>>> pseudonym and then answering his own questions? It is obvious that
>>>>> he has some "issues", but this would really be over the top.
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course, le chaud lapin means something like the warm rabbit, so
>>>>> perhaps he is luring us like a rabbit would a pack of dogs, and
>>>>> naturally everyone fell for it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regardless, he's still the village idiot- every community has one.
>>>>> Just disengage when he posts- a big "knock-it-off" if he starts
>>>>> some new thread.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Did you check the message path? As I said, I'm not an expert on how
>>>> Usenet servers work but they looked identical to me.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Her you go Dudley. Just type the ip number in if there is one and
>>> voila! you find the source.
>>>
>>> It can dead end on a proxy though (you'd never figure where I'm
>>> posting from , for instance). and since he's at least moderately
>>> computer savvy an crazy as a bedbug I'd say h does just that with his
>>> sockpuppets in order to provide deniability.
>>>
>>> Sooner or later all k00ks hat are voices in the wilderness do this.
>>>
>>> The plan from here is for MXSmanic to "convince" the rabbit that his
>>> view is the only possible correct one. The rabbit, being as brght as
>>> Anthony, of course,, will see the error of his ways and become a
>>> converted bernoulli denier.
>>>
>>> It's like i'm David Attenborough descrbing some strange sort of alien
>>> wildlife, eh?
>>>
>>>
>>> It's a beautiful thing to watch a k00k melt down.
>>>
>>>
>>> Bertie
>> I had a student like this guy once, or I should say I had him for the
>> one lesson it took me to ask him politely to find himself another
>> instructor.
>> D
>
>
> I'd have shot him after ten minutes
>
>
> Bertie
>

Knowing you, you probably would have sent him over to me just to bug the
crap out of me :-))

--
Dudley Henriques

[Tina]

You know, you guys are giving me some ideas for a peer reviewed paper
dealing with the physics of annoying twits. They seem to attract each
other. What I'm worried about is that twitdom may have a contagious
component -- I, and you, are guilty of responding to them.

FWIW, I would not characterize MX as an idiot: his writing skills
suggest a reasonable intellegence. Besides, if his posts were just
stupid, we'd not respond.

Do you know there's getting to be more and more compelling evidence
that mental pathologies like depression are corrolated to actual
physical changes in the brain? Kind of makes you wonder if some anal
sphinctor stem cells got misdirected upwards. You'd think pilots who
put themselves in circumstances where they experience unusual G loads
would be more prone to migrating stem cells, but we have evidence it
happens to people who sit in a 1 g environment and play flight
simulator.

I need a cup of coffee!

[Dan Luke[_2_]]

"Tina" wrote:

> You know, you guys are giving me some ideas for a peer reviewed paper
> dealing with the physics of annoying twits. They seem to attract each
> other. What I'm worried about is that twitdom may have a contagious
> component -- I, and you, are guilty of responding to them.

May I suggest talk.origins as your research ground? Kooks arise and mutate
there like mushrooms. Tarver even used to show up there.

> FWIW, I would not characterize MX as an idiot: his writing skills
> suggest a reasonable intellegence. Besides, if his posts were just
> stupid, we'd not respond.

Well, there are literal and figurative idiots. Mx is the latter sort, in
spades.

> Do you know there's getting to be more and more compelling evidence
> that mental pathologies like depression are corrolated to actual
> physical changes in the brain? Kind of makes you wonder if some anal
> sphinctor stem cells got misdirected upwards.

Haw!

> You'd think pilots who
> put themselves in circumstances where they experience unusual G loads
> would be more prone to migrating stem cells, but we have evidence it
> happens to people who sit in a 1 g environment and play flight
> simulator.

It's that there radiation stuff comin' off the screen!

> I need a cup of coffee!

Cream & sugar?

--
Dan

"Almost all the matter that came out of the Big Bang was two specific sorts;
hydrogen, and stupidity."

-Robert Carnegie in talk.origins

[Larry Dighera]

On Thu, 4 Oct 2007 07:26:14 -0500, "Viperdoc"
> wrote in
>:

>Just from the learning perspective, what do you look at and how do you check
>to see the origin of the post?
>
>

Look at the message header fields, specifically the 'Path:' and
'NNTP-Posting-Host:' fields.

Mr. Duniho provided these methods of viewing the message headers in MS
Outlook products:

Message-ID: >
Haven't read news in Outlook. In Outlook Express, it's simply a
matter of choosing the "File/Properties..." menu item while the
message is selected, and then looking at the "Details" tab in that
dialog.

For Outlook, you might have to use the "View/Options..." menu item
instead; that's where you'd find message headers for email
messages anyway.

(A superior product for reading Usenet in my opinion is Forte Agent
available here: http://www.forteinc.com/agent/download.php )


To find the domain name to which the IP address refers, MS Windows
users can open a Command window (Start/All
Programs/Accessories/Command Prompt), and at the DOS prompt type:
'nslookup 123.123.123.123' using the ip address in the
'NNTP-Posting-Host:' field in place of '123.123.123.123'.

Look up the registrant for that domain with a whois server:
http://www.internic.net/whois.html
http://www.allwhois.com/

[alexy]

Larry Dighera > wrote:

>On Thu, 4 Oct 2007 07:26:14 -0500, "Viperdoc"
> wrote in
>:
>
>>Just from the learning perspective, what do you look at and how do you check
>>to see the origin of the post?
>>
>>
>
>Look at the message header fields, specifically the 'Path:' and
>'NNTP-Posting-Host:' fields.
>
>Mr. Duniho provided these methods of viewing the message headers in MS
>Outlook products:
>
> Message-ID: >
> Haven't read news in Outlook. In Outlook Express, it's simply a
> matter of choosing the "File/Properties..." menu item while the
> message is selected, and then looking at the "Details" tab in that
> dialog.
>
> For Outlook, you might have to use the "View/Options..." menu item
> instead; that's where you'd find message headers for email
> messages anyway.
>
>(A superior product for reading Usenet in my opinion is Forte Agent
>available here: http://www.forteinc.com/agent/download.php )
And I'll add that with Agent, the above instructions are replaced by
"press the 'H' key"
>
>
>To find the domain name to which the IP address refers, MS Windows
>users can open a Command window (Start/All
>Programs/Accessories/Command Prompt), and at the DOS prompt type:
>'nslookup 123.123.123.123' using the ip address in the
>'NNTP-Posting-Host:' field in place of '123.123.123.123'.
>
>Look up the registrant for that domain with a whois server:
>http://www.internic.net/whois.html
>http://www.allwhois.com/

--
Alex -- Replace "nospam" with "mail" to reply by email. Checked infrequently.

[Big John]

Tina

The most G's I ever pulled in a fighter was 14 (wings stayed on).

Are you now telling me that I have s**t for brains :o)

Big John
************************************************** *****

On Thu, 04 Oct 2007 04:25:26 -0700, Tina >
wrote:

>You know, you guys are giving me some ideas for a peer reviewed paper
>dealing with the physics of annoying twits. They seem to attract each
>other. What I'm worried about is that twitdom may have a contagious
>component -- I, and you, are guilty of responding to them.
>
>FWIW, I would not characterize MX as an idiot: his writing skills
>suggest a reasonable intellegence. Besides, if his posts were just
>stupid, we'd not respond.
>
>Do you know there's getting to be more and more compelling evidence
>that mental pathologies like depression are corrolated to actual
>physical changes in the brain? Kind of makes you wonder if some anal
>sphinctor stem cells got misdirected upwards. You'd think pilots who
>put themselves in circumstances where they experience unusual G loads
>would be more prone to migrating stem cells, but we have evidence it
>happens to people who sit in a 1 g environment and play flight
>simulator.
>
>I need a cup of coffee!
>

[Jim Stewart]

Viperdoc wrote:
> Are you suggesting that the village idiot is posting under a pseudonym and
> then answering his own questions? It is obvious that he has some "issues",
> but this would really be over the top.
>
> Of course, le chaud lapin means something like the warm rabbit, so perhaps
> he is luring us like a rabbit would a pack of dogs, and naturally everyone
> fell for it.

And saying "lapin" on a french ship brings bad luck...

> Regardless, he's still the village idiot- every community has one. Just
> disengage when he posts- a big "knock-it-off" if he starts some new thread.
>
>
>

[Jim Stewart]

Tina wrote:
> You know, you guys are giving me some ideas for a peer reviewed paper
> dealing with the physics of annoying twits. They seem to attract each
> other. What I'm worried about is that twitdom may have a contagious
> component -- I, and you, are guilty of responding to them.

If you do write it, by all means post it
here for all. I'd love to read it.

> FWIW, I would not characterize MX as an idiot: his writing skills
> suggest a reasonable intellegence. Besides, if his posts were just
> stupid, we'd not respond.
>
> Do you know there's getting to be more and more compelling evidence
> that mental pathologies like depression are corrolated to actual
> physical changes in the brain? Kind of makes you wonder if some anal
> sphinctor stem cells got misdirected upwards. You'd think pilots who
> put themselves in circumstances where they experience unusual G loads
> would be more prone to migrating stem cells, but we have evidence it
> happens to people who sit in a 1 g environment and play flight
> simulator.
>
> I need a cup of coffee!
>
>

[ManhattanMan]

Viperdoc wrote:
> Are you suggesting that the village idiot is posting under a
> pseudonym and then answering his own questions? It is obvious that he
> has some "issues", but this would really be over the top.
>


He played this charade over in the sim group. His alter ego "matt" and
Mxmoron would have these toe sucking "conversations" whereas each would woo
the other with their superiour advice, thanking one another profusely for
the noble efforts, ad nauseam. Then "matt" went on to tell about how he was
almost killed in a grenade attack on a Philipine airliner, spent a year in
recovery, but gosh darn, couldn't remember the decade it happened. I'm not
kidding!!
After being challanged, his new character "newsy" arose, to defend them and
admonish all that doubted. Dip**** didn't even use a proxy, so the whole
thing looked like a Saturday Night Live skit. He's probably gotten some
advice how to do it more convincingly now........

To top it off, Mx made some idiotic posts using my old moniker, like nobody
would notice the path...

When the creator was passing out brains, Mx thought he said trains, and said
he wanted a little toy one that made lots of noise and blew smoke! :)

[ManhattanMan]

Viperdoc wrote:
> Are you suggesting that the village idiot is posting under a
> pseudonym and then answering his own questions? It is obvious that he
> has some "issues", but this would really be over the top.
>


He played this charade over in the sim group. His alter ego "matt" and
Mxmoron would have these toe sucking "conversations" whereas each would woo
the other with their superiour advice, thanking one another profusely for
the noble efforts, ad nauseam. Then "matt" went on to tell about how he was
almost killed in a grenade attack on a Philipine airliner, spent a year in
recovery, but gosh darn, couldn't remember the decade it happened. I'm not
kidding!!
After being challanged, his new character "newsy" arose, to defend them and
admonish all that doubted. Dip**** didn't even use a proxy, so the whole
thing looked like a Saturday Night Live skit. He's probably gotten some
advice how to do it more convincingly now........

To top it off, Mx made some idiotic posts using my old moniker, like nobody
would notice the path...

When the creator was passing out brains, Mx thought he said trains, and said
he wanted a little toy one that made lots of noise and blew smoke! :)

[Gatt]

"Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
...

> Did you check the message path? As I said, I'm not an expert on how Usenet
> servers work but they looked identical to me.

The next time he posts, we should be able to say with reasonable
probability. Un/fortunately I had MX killfiled so I can't compare headers.

-c
(I do this for a living and it occasionally involves the FBI.)

[Bertie the Bunyip]

Tina wrote:
> You know, you guys are giving me some ideas for a peer reviewed paper
> dealing with the physics of annoying twits. They seem to attract each
> other. What I'm worried about is that twitdom may have a contagious
> component -- I, and you, are guilty of responding to them.
>
> FWIW, I would not characterize MX as an idiot: his writing skills
> suggest a reasonable intellegence. Besides, if his posts were just
> stupid, we'd not respond.
>
> Do you know there's getting to be more and more compelling evidence
> that mental pathologies like depression are corrolated to actual
> physical changes in the brain? Kind of makes you wonder if some anal
> sphinctor stem cells got misdirected upwards. You'd think pilots who
> put themselves in circumstances where they experience unusual G loads
> would be more prone to migrating stem cells, but we have evidence it
> happens to people who sit in a 1 g environment and play flight
> simulator.
>
> I need a cup of coffee!

Excellent idea, really.
I´ve considered a novel around the same general notion, but Warner
brothers already did the whole Bugs bunny Elmer Fudd thing to death so
I decided against it.

Lots could be learned from studying anthony though. we could stamp out
fjukkwitedness in our lifetime1

bertie

[Morgans[_2_]]

>> Are you suggesting that the village idiot is posting under a pseudonym
>> and then answering his own questions? It is obvious that he has some
>> "issues", but this would really be over the top.
>>
>> Of course, le chaud lapin means something like the warm rabbit, so
>> perhaps he is luring us like a rabbit would a pack of dogs, and naturally
>> everyone fell for it.
>
> And saying "lapin" on a french ship brings bad luck...
>
>> Regardless, he's still the village idiot- every community has one. Just
>> disengage when he posts- a big "knock-it-off" if he starts some new
>> thread.

And yet, now that it is known who it is, we will find the same people
responding to him, enabling him to stick around.

Do we need this thorn in our side? In our throats? Why does it continue.

Please, for the love of God, shut this sick nut out of here, by giving him
NO responses.

This means you, too, Bertie. Please make an exception, and let this one go.
Or go hassle him in some other group.
--
Jim in NC

[Tina]

There is no evidence he is breeding, so maybe in our children's
lifetimes.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Tina > wrote in news:1191552471.850450.227380
@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.com:

> There is no evidence he is breeding, so maybe in our children's
> lifetimes.
>
>
>

He he.

Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Big John > wrote in
:

> Tina
>
> The most G's I ever pulled in a fighter was 14 (wings stayed on).

Jesus Christ!

I had an FO who just told me a horror story about screwing up on a fast
jet not too many years ago. They got near the barber's pole and puled
the speedbrake about 100 knots about the speedbrake limit. The resulting
aerobatics put about 12 on the airframe and trashed it. No G suits in
that airplane either..


>
> Are you now telling me that I have s**t for brains :o)
>
> Big John
> ************************************************** *****
>
> On Thu, 04 Oct 2007 04:25:26 -0700, Tina >
> wrote:
>
>>You know, you guys are giving me some ideas for a peer reviewed paper
>>dealing with the physics of annoying twits. They seem to attract each
>>other. What I'm worried about is that twitdom may have a contagious
>>component -- I, and you, are guilty of responding to them.
>>
>>FWIW, I would not characterize MX as an idiot: his writing skills
>>suggest a reasonable intellegence. Besides, if his posts were just
>>stupid, we'd not respond.
>>
>>Do you know there's getting to be more and more compelling evidence
>>that mental pathologies like depression are corrolated to actual
>>physical changes in the brain? Kind of makes you wonder if some anal
>>sphinctor stem cells got misdirected upwards. You'd think pilots who
>>put themselves in circumstances where they experience unusual G loads
>>would be more prone to migrating stem cells, but we have evidence it
>>happens to people who sit in a 1 g environment and play flight
>>simulator.
>>
>>I need a cup of coffee!
>>
>
>

[Jim Logajan]

Big John > wrote:
> The most G's I ever pulled in a fighter was 14 (wings stayed on).

Was it because the gear collapsed first? ;-)

[Big John]

Bertie

Was flying with Navy in a F2H3. Mission was a practice Special Weapons
(Atmic Bomb) delivery. Rolled in about 14K, lined up and pickled and
started pull out at 6 G's. Then hit jet wash of bird ahead and my bird
went 'whap' (like ssomeone hit it with a big sledge hamer) and after
getting back straight and level looked at G meter and showed 14 G's.

When landed mechs looked at bird and found loose rivits all over it.

An hour or two later I went in hanger and there were two 'metal
benders' with a ball peen hamer and a backing block. They were going
down each rivit line and when they found a lose rivit, the guy inside
held the metal block against the rivit and the guy out side tapped on
the rivit with the ball peen hamer until it was tight again.

Bird made the next deployment on Yorktown to WestPac and returned all
in one piece.

The Air Force would have class 26'd the bird :o)

And another War Story ends :o)

Big John

*************************************************


On Fri, 5 Oct 2007 05:15:00 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip >
wrote:

>Big John > wrote in
:
>
>> Tina
>>
>> The most G's I ever pulled in a fighter was 14 (wings stayed on).
>
>Jesus Christ!
>
>I had an FO who just told me a horror story about screwing up on a fast
>jet not too many years ago. They got near the barber's pole and puled
>the speedbrake about 100 knots about the speedbrake limit. The resulting
>aerobatics put about 12 on the airframe and trashed it. No G suits in
>that airplane either..
>
>
>>
>> Are you now telling me that I have s**t for brains :o)
>>
>> Big John
>> ************************************************** *****
>>
>> On Thu, 04 Oct 2007 04:25:26 -0700, Tina >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>You know, you guys are giving me some ideas for a peer reviewed paper
>>>dealing with the physics of annoying twits. They seem to attract each
>>>other. What I'm worried about is that twitdom may have a contagious
>>>component -- I, and you, are guilty of responding to them.
>>>
>>>FWIW, I would not characterize MX as an idiot: his writing skills
>>>suggest a reasonable intellegence. Besides, if his posts were just
>>>stupid, we'd not respond.
>>>
>>>Do you know there's getting to be more and more compelling evidence
>>>that mental pathologies like depression are corrolated to actual
>>>physical changes in the brain? Kind of makes you wonder if some anal
>>>sphinctor stem cells got misdirected upwards. You'd think pilots who
>>>put themselves in circumstances where they experience unusual G loads
>>>would be more prone to migrating stem cells, but we have evidence it
>>>happens to people who sit in a 1 g environment and play flight
>>>simulator.
>>>
>>>I need a cup of coffee!
>>>
>>
>>

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Big John > wrote in
:

> Bertie
>
> Was flying with Navy in a F2H3. Mission was a practice Special Weapons
> (Atmic Bomb) delivery. Rolled in about 14K, lined up and pickled and
> started pull out at 6 G's. Then hit jet wash of bird ahead and my bird
> went 'whap' (like ssomeone hit it with a big sledge hamer) and after
> getting back straight and level looked at G meter and showed 14 G's.
>
> When landed mechs looked at bird and found loose rivits all over it.
>
> An hour or two later I went in hanger and there were two 'metal
> benders' with a ball peen hamer and a backing block. They were going
> down each rivit line and when they found a lose rivit, the guy inside
> held the metal block against the rivit and the guy out side tapped on
> the rivit with the ball peen hamer until it was tight again.
>
> Bird made the next deployment on Yorktown to WestPac and returned all
> in one piece.
>
> The Air Force would have class 26'd the bird :o)
>
> And another War Story ends :o)
>

Yipes!

I thought I had some good stories!


I've heard the navy actually write off all the airpalnes as they'r
eloaded onto a carrier. If they come back ,it's a bonus..

Bertie
>

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
> Big John > wrote in
> :
>
>> Bertie
>>
>> Was flying with Navy in a F2H3. Mission was a practice Special Weapons
>> (Atmic Bomb) delivery. Rolled in about 14K, lined up and pickled and
>> started pull out at 6 G's. Then hit jet wash of bird ahead and my bird
>> went 'whap' (like ssomeone hit it with a big sledge hamer) and after
>> getting back straight and level looked at G meter and showed 14 G's.
>>
>> When landed mechs looked at bird and found loose rivits all over it.
>>
>> An hour or two later I went in hanger and there were two 'metal
>> benders' with a ball peen hamer and a backing block. They were going
>> down each rivit line and when they found a lose rivit, the guy inside
>> held the metal block against the rivit and the guy out side tapped on
>> the rivit with the ball peen hamer until it was tight again.
>>
>> Bird made the next deployment on Yorktown to WestPac and returned all
>> in one piece.
>>
>> The Air Force would have class 26'd the bird :o)
>>
>> And another War Story ends :o)
>>
>
> Yipes!
>
> I thought I had some good stories!
>
>
> I've heard the navy actually write off all the airpalnes as they'r
> eloaded onto a carrier. If they come back ,it's a bonus..
>
> Bertie
>

It's the old guys like us who HAVE the stories....simply because we've
survived most of them :-))

Sometimes when I actually have the time to sit down and reflect on some
of the absolutely wild crap I've gotten into and out of in my career it
scares the hell out of me :-))

Take my "famous"... (with the family at least) story about the day I
took the horns off a cow with a P51. Now THERE'S a story!!

This story is so good that every year at Thanksgiving when I forget
everybody in the house has heard it a thousand times and trot it out for
the whole table it's met with shouts of enthusiasm and excitement as
they anxiously await every word of it.
"Oh NO!! Not AGAIN!!!!"
"Jeeze,,Holy Cow Hon....not the damn COW story again!!"

Yup!!!....they can't WAIT to hear the cow story!


--
Dudley Henriques

[Dan Luke[_2_]]

"Dudley Henriques" wrote:

> "Jeeze,,Holy Cow Hon....not the damn COW story again!!"

Oh, no you don't, Dudley. You're not getting away without telling the cow
story.

But it better not start with "This ain't no bull***t..."


--
Dan
T-182T at BFM

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

Dan Luke wrote:
> "Dudley Henriques" wrote:
>
>> "Jeeze,,Holy Cow Hon....not the damn COW story again!!"
>
> Oh, no you don't, Dudley. You're not getting away without telling the cow
> story.
>
> But it better not start with "This ain't no bull***t..."
>
>

A HA!!! I snagged one!!!.....and my wife told me this old trick I play
on the family each year would NEVER work on the sharp guys on "RAP"

Well, if you INSIST on hearing the cow story and have fallen prey to my
unashamed trolling segue invitation.....here it is.

Please forgive my pasting it in below, but this thing has been bandied
around our family so much I finally made a copy and saved it for email use
:-)

>The P51 Cow Story ( Or as it's known around the Henriques household...
"The Dudley's Horny Story"

I remember one time; I was out playing some formation acro with a buddy of

mine out over the boonies. Both of us were flying Mustangs. I usually flew

the wing position when we did this.[ I never told John, but I had this

aversion to having that big Hamilton of his that close up my

butt...especially if we had been out the night before!! :-) ]

Anyway, I'm tucked in on his left wing back and down about twenty feet when

he calls for a 4 g loop. I slide back and inside just enough to get a 45

degree paint between my windshield bow mirror and his left well cover

[the position for a vertical maneuver that keeps me from slicing off his
tail section and bending my prop!! ]

Well, I noticed the altimeter was a bit low

at the maneuver onset, but still within parameters for the loop. John calls

the maneuver and walks us up to 4g's. I'm glued on the paint ; holding

position. You get a peripheral view of the horizon holding a position paint

in formation acro. Without taking my eyes off John, I knew he was long over

the top. On the way down I felt we were long as well. The g didn't feel

right...it wasn't enough! Anyway, I'm beginning now to feel the g building

at a faster rate than I should be feeling......and this ain't good!! We're

past vertical and I can see the ground under his wing. You know that awful

feeling you get when you know you are in too deep? Well I had it right

there!!! You mentally do the math and geometry instantly in these

situations. I could see we were going to make it, but it was going to be

close....damn close!

I could "feel" that we had enough g available to make the recovery arc, but

being low and outside, I was committed lower than John was. He eased us out

with enough room under my airplane to maybe stuff a cornstalk between me
and the

ground. Then I notice we're "in" a field with trees at the end ahead of us.

There, right in front of me is this cow. He was eating grass with his
head way down low. I instantly had the thought flash through my head
that I was low enough that if he raised his head to take a peek at what
was barreling at him at a good 250mph I stood a damn good chance of
taking his horns off with the tips of my prop.

I shouted "Break...Break up!!...Give me some room, quick!!! " John pulls up

just in time for me to miss the cow and go knife edge between two trees
at the end of the

field. I swear, I flew between them left wing down, standing on the right

rudder!

Well, all's well that end's well I guess. I missed the cow, missed the
trees and missed the houses. One could say I REALLY "missed" up!!!


End of stupid Dudley story! Needless to say, we had a few beers that

night while we went over entry altitudes and g profiles for pilots who wish

to live longer lives! :-)))

....................



--
Dudley Henriques

[Jim Logajan]

Dudley Henriques > wrote:
> Well, if you INSIST on hearing the cow story and have fallen prey to
> my unashamed trolling segue invitation.....here it is.

NO! NOT THAT STORY AGAIN! :-)

Posted on Sep 6, 2001:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.aviation.student/msg/b36a1280caa09df7

And again on Jul 6, 2004:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.aviation.piloting/msg/423926fd29482771

And yet again on Apr 17, 2005:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.aviation.military/msg/575b50ea79cebf7d

One more time Apr 6, 2006:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.aviation.piloting/msg/0acae7d5984c819d

And now today!

I think you'll be forgiven if you post no more than once per year. ;-)

[Al G[_1_]]

"Jim Logajan" > wrote in message
.. .
> Dudley Henriques > wrote:
>> Well, if you INSIST on hearing the cow story and have fallen prey to
>> my unashamed trolling segue invitation.....here it is.
>
> NO! NOT THAT STORY AGAIN! :-)
>
> Posted on Sep 6, 2001:
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.aviation.student/msg/b36a1280caa09df7
>
> And again on Jul 6, 2004:
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.aviation.piloting/msg/423926fd29482771
>
> And yet again on Apr 17, 2005:
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.aviation.military/msg/575b50ea79cebf7d
>
> One more time Apr 6, 2006:
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.aviation.piloting/msg/0acae7d5984c819d
>
> And now today!
>
> I think you'll be forgiven if you post no more than once per year. ;-)

Kinda gettin to be a tradition!

Al G

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

Jim Logajan wrote:
> Dudley Henriques > wrote:
>> Well, if you INSIST on hearing the cow story and have fallen prey to
>> my unashamed trolling segue invitation.....here it is.
>
> NO! NOT THAT STORY AGAIN! :-)
>
> Posted on Sep 6, 2001:
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.aviation.student/msg/b36a1280caa09df7
>
> And again on Jul 6, 2004:
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.aviation.piloting/msg/423926fd29482771
>
> And yet again on Apr 17, 2005:
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.aviation.military/msg/575b50ea79cebf7d
>
> One more time Apr 6, 2006:
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.aviation.piloting/msg/0acae7d5984c819d
>
> And now today!
>
> I think you'll be forgiven if you post no more than once per year. ;-)


Looks like 5 will be the magic number to retire this one for good.


--
Dudley Henriques

[Dan Luke[_2_]]

"Jim Logajan" wrote:

> NO! NOT THAT STORY AGAIN! :-)

My fault; I fell for the trap.

I enjoyed the story, though.

--
Dan

"Hell hath no fury like a noncombatant."
-Mitchell Coffey

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

Dan Luke wrote:
> "Jim Logajan" wrote:
>
>> NO! NOT THAT STORY AGAIN! :-)
>
> My fault; I fell for the trap.
>
> I enjoyed the story, though.
>

Looks like the joke was on me this time :-)

--
Dudley Henriques

[Morgans[_2_]]

"Dudley Henriques" <> wrote

> Looks like 5 will be the magic number to retire this one for good.


Naaah. In a couple more years, there will be a substantially new crowd that
will not have heard about the "hornless cow story".

Then you will trot it out again! <g>
--
Jim in NC

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

Morgans wrote:
> "Dudley Henriques" <> wrote
>
>> Looks like 5 will be the magic number to retire this one for good.
>
>
> Naaah. In a couple more years, there will be a substantially new crowd that
> will not have heard about the "hornless cow story".
>
> Then you will trot it out again! <g>

That's HORNY cow!! Any cow caught up in my story has to be a sport'in
bovine!!!

--
Dudley Henriques

[Morgans[_2_]]

"Dudley Henriques" < wrote

> That's HORNY cow!! Any cow caught up in my story has to be a sport'in
> bovine!!!

SOOO sorry! ! ! <BFG>
--
Jim in NC

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Dudley Henriques > wrote in
:



>>
>
> It's the old guys like us who HAVE the stories....simply because we've
> survived most of them :-))


Actaully, I could dine out for a week on the storis I had by the time I
was 22. I was a very poor listener.
>
> Sometimes when I actually have the time to sit down and reflect on
some
> of the absolutely wild crap I've gotten into and out of in my career
it
> scares the hell out of me :-))
>

I figure it's mostly been a dream.

> Take my "famous"... (with the family at least) story about the day I
> took the horns off a cow with a P51. Now THERE'S a story!!
>
> This story is so good that every year at Thanksgiving when I forget
> everybody in the house has heard it a thousand times and trot it out
for
> the whole table it's met with shouts of enthusiasm and excitement as
> they anxiously await every word of it.
> "Oh NO!! Not AGAIN!!!!"
> "Jeeze,,Holy Cow Hon....not the damn COW story again!!"
>
> Yup!!!....they can't WAIT to hear the cow story!


I have one with hornets...Since it ends up with me being stung and
covered in **** everone enjoys it.


Bertie
>

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Dudley Henriques > wrote in
:

> Dan Luke wrote:
>> "Dudley Henriques" wrote:
>>
>>> "Jeeze,,Holy Cow Hon....not the damn COW story again!!"
>>
>> Oh, no you don't, Dudley. You're not getting away without telling
>> the cow story.
>>
>> But it better not start with "This ain't no bull***t..."
>>
>>
>
> A HA!!! I snagged one!!!.....and my wife told me this old trick I play
> on the family each year would NEVER work on the sharp guys on "RAP"
>
> Well, if you INSIST on hearing the cow story and have fallen prey to
> my unashamed trolling segue invitation.....here it is.
>
> Please forgive my pasting it in below, but this thing has been bandied
> around our family so much I finally made a copy and saved it for email
> use
>:-)
>
> >The P51 Cow Story ( Or as it's known around the Henriques
> >household...
> "The Dudley's Horny Story"
>
> I remember one time; I was out playing some formation acro with a
> buddy of
>
> mine out over the boonies. Both of us were flying Mustangs. I usually
> flew
>
> the wing position when we did this.[ I never told John, but I had this
>
> aversion to having that big Hamilton of his that close up my
>
> butt...especially if we had been out the night before!! :-) ]
>
> Anyway, I'm tucked in on his left wing back and down about twenty feet
> when
>
> he calls for a 4 g loop. I slide back and inside just enough to get a
> 45
>
> degree paint between my windshield bow mirror and his left well cover
>
> [the position for a vertical maneuver that keeps me from slicing off
> his tail section and bending my prop!! ]
>
> Well, I noticed the altimeter was a bit low
>
> at the maneuver onset, but still within parameters for the loop. John
> calls
>
> the maneuver and walks us up to 4g's. I'm glued on the paint ; holding
>
> position. You get a peripheral view of the horizon holding a position
> paint
>
> in formation acro. Without taking my eyes off John, I knew he was long
> over
>
> the top. On the way down I felt we were long as well. The g didn't
> feel
>
> right...it wasn't enough! Anyway, I'm beginning now to feel the g
> building
>
> at a faster rate than I should be feeling......and this ain't good!!
> We're
>
> past vertical and I can see the ground under his wing. You know that
> awful
>
> feeling you get when you know you are in too deep? Well I had it right
>
> there!!! You mentally do the math and geometry instantly in these
>
> situations. I could see we were going to make it, but it was going to
> be
>
> close....damn close!
>
> I could "feel" that we had enough g available to make the recovery
> arc, but
>
> being low and outside, I was committed lower than John was. He eased
> us out
>
> with enough room under my airplane to maybe stuff a cornstalk between
> me and the
>
> ground. Then I notice we're "in" a field with trees at the end ahead
> of us.
>
> There, right in front of me is this cow. He was eating grass with his
> head way down low. I instantly had the thought flash through my head
> that I was low enough that if he raised his head to take a peek at
> what was barreling at him at a good 250mph I stood a damn good chance
> of taking his horns off with the tips of my prop.
>
> I shouted "Break...Break up!!...Give me some room, quick!!! " John
> pulls up
>
> just in time for me to miss the cow and go knife edge between two
> trees at the end of the
>
> field. I swear, I flew between them left wing down, standing on the
> right
>
> rudder!
>
> Well, all's well that end's well I guess. I missed the cow, missed the
> trees and missed the houses. One could say I REALLY "missed" up!!!
>
>
> End of stupid Dudley story! Needless to say, we had a few beers that
>
> night while we went over entry altitudes and g profiles for pilots who
> wish
>
> to live longer lives! :-)))
>


Whew.

NEver had that close a call doing aerobaitcs, I don't think . Well, not
technicaly anyway. You were one lucky boy!

Bertie

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
> Dudley Henriques > wrote in
> :
>
>
>
>> It's the old guys like us who HAVE the stories....simply because we've
>> survived most of them :-))
>
>
> Actaully, I could dine out for a week on the storis I had by the time I
> was 22. I was a very poor listener.
>> Sometimes when I actually have the time to sit down and reflect on
> some
>> of the absolutely wild crap I've gotten into and out of in my career
> it
>> scares the hell out of me :-))
>>
>
> I figure it's mostly been a dream.
>
>> Take my "famous"... (with the family at least) story about the day I
>> took the horns off a cow with a P51. Now THERE'S a story!!
>>
>> This story is so good that every year at Thanksgiving when I forget
>> everybody in the house has heard it a thousand times and trot it out
> for
>> the whole table it's met with shouts of enthusiasm and excitement as
>> they anxiously await every word of it.
>> "Oh NO!! Not AGAIN!!!!"
>> "Jeeze,,Holy Cow Hon....not the damn COW story again!!"
>>
>> Yup!!!....they can't WAIT to hear the cow story!
>
>
> I have one with hornets...Since it ends up with me being stung and
> covered in **** everone enjoys it.
>
>
> Bertie
>

These self deprecating stories do seem to be the best received stories.
It's funny about "stories". Take the one I've posted here about the cow.
I kid with this one a great deal and have had some fun with it over the
years, but there's another side to this story.

I've used it as well in safety seminars where I've been asked to speak
with war bird pilots on flight safety issues. Of course in that venue
the more serious side of the same story is emphasized and all the self
deprecation crap is put aside.
When talking to war bird pilots, the cow becomes incidental to the fact
that the lead in a two ship formation loop has to be velvet smooth,
leave the trailer a few extra inches of manifold pressure and positive g
to fool with to use in maintaining position, and most of all, go through
the high gate position on speed, on altitude, and correctly in the float.

Stories from us "older folk" have their place in aviation. The same
story can be funny for a forum or it can be a much needed reminder that
has the potential to save lives.
But.....I digress.........aging by the minute........remembering old
stories :-))
D

--
Dudley Henriques

[Larry Dighera]

On Sat, 06 Oct 2007 10:37:26 -0400, Dudley Henriques
> wrote in
>:

>Stories from us "older folk" have their place in aviation. The same
>story can be funny for a forum or it can be a much needed reminder that
>has the potential to save lives.


I find them enjoyable and informative reading. It would be valuable
indeed if these and similar stories were all posted in one place, so
they would have meaningful titles and wouldn't disappear under all the
follow up articles and other flotsam in rec.aviation.piloting.

What would it take to get you and John, and whoever else has a few
yarns to spin, to post these gems to rec.aviation.stories? Then we
could set the follow ups to rec.aviation.piloting, so comments and
corrections to them would still be possible.

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

Larry Dighera wrote:
> On Sat, 06 Oct 2007 10:37:26 -0400, Dudley Henriques
> > wrote in
> >:
>
>> Stories from us "older folk" have their place in aviation. The same
>> story can be funny for a forum or it can be a much needed reminder that
>> has the potential to save lives.
>
>
> I find them enjoyable and informative reading. It would be valuable
> indeed if these and similar stories were all posted in one place, so
> they would have meaningful titles and wouldn't disappear under all the
> follow up articles and other flotsam in rec.aviation.piloting.
>
> What would it take to get you and John, and whoever else has a few
> yarns to spin, to post these gems to rec.aviation.stories? Then we
> could set the follow ups to rec.aviation.piloting, so comments and
> corrections to them would still be possible.
>

How can I say this the right way???

I have spent the better part of my life directly and indirectly
associated with saving the lives of people who fly airplanes.

With all due respect to Usenet, for the "self deprecating" side of the
equation, I find Usenet the perfect venue for old stories, but for
presenting anything having a lasting effect on the flight safety side of
the equation, I would find any venue referring to an input from me as "a
few yarns to spin" the last place on earth I would go thinking that this
input would help the flight safety issue :-))

Thanks, but no thanks. I'll post a "story" on Usenet from time to time,
but I expect no useful result from this venue on the flight safety
issue.......perhaps someone telling me to "f**k off once in a while, or
someone with a plastic stick on their desktop "correcting me" by telling
me that something I've been doing for fifty years and teaching people
who teach others whatto do for fifty years is all wrong, but little more
than that.


--
Dudley Henriques

[Larry Dighera]

On Sat, 06 Oct 2007 11:42:05 -0400, Dudley Henriques
> wrote in
>:

>Larry Dighera wrote:
>> On Sat, 06 Oct 2007 10:37:26 -0400, Dudley Henriques
>> > wrote in
>> >:
>>
>>> Stories from us "older folk" have their place in aviation. The same
>>> story can be funny for a forum or it can be a much needed reminder that
>>> has the potential to save lives.
>>
>>
>> I find them enjoyable and informative reading. It would be valuable
>> indeed if these and similar stories were all posted in one place, so
>> they would have meaningful titles and wouldn't disappear under all the
>> follow up articles and other flotsam in rec.aviation.piloting.
>>
>> What would it take to get you and John, and whoever else has a few
>> yarns to spin, to post these gems to rec.aviation.stories? Then we
>> could set the follow ups to rec.aviation.piloting, so comments and
>> corrections to them would still be possible.
>>
>
>How can I say this the right way???
>
>I have spent the better part of my life directly and indirectly
>associated with saving the lives of people who fly airplanes.
>
>With all due respect to Usenet, for the "self deprecating" side of the
>equation, I find Usenet the perfect venue for old stories, but for
>presenting anything having a lasting effect on the flight safety side of
>the equation, I would find any venue referring to an input from me as "a
>few yarns to spin" the last place on earth I would go thinking that this
>input would help the flight safety issue :-))

I understand that point of view. But, I'm confused by your posting
valuable, safety related information over the years. That seems to be
contradictory.

>Thanks, but no thanks. I'll post a "story" on Usenet from time to time,

Great! That's what I was asking.

Are you aware that the rec.aviation.stories newsgroup exists just for
that purpose? See for yourself; here's the charter:


CHARTER:

A home for one of the greatest strengths of rec.aviation --
longer postings of stories and experiences, including
descriptions of cross-country trips, "I learned about flying from
that", airshow reports, and so on.


>but I expect no useful result from this venue on the flight safety
>issue.......perhaps someone telling me to "f**k off once in a while, or
>someone with a plastic stick on their desktop "correcting me" by telling
>me that something I've been doing for fifty years and teaching people
>who teach others whatto do for fifty years is all wrong, but little more
>than that.

I can understand your frustration and low expectation; Usenet seems to
have significantly devolved since the general public gained access to
it. Unfortunately, it's going to take participants with vision and a
sincere desire to elevate the content of this newsgroup to effect any
change for the better.

Usenet is self-governed without a central authority; that's both the
egalitarian beauty and anarchical bane of Usenet. It's predicated on
the noble notion that individuals are capable of governing themselves,
and seek to apply their creativity toward improving it.

Perhaps I'm tilting windmills, but I feel the responsibility to make
an effort to raise the newsgroup's signal-to-noise ratio is incumbent
on its participants. And I suspect that there is a silent majority
who would agree. Unfortunately, there is a vocal minority who feel no
such responsibility. But personally, I've got to make the effort.

What you choose to do is up to you.

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

Larry Dighera wrote:
> On Sat, 06 Oct 2007 11:42:05 -0400, Dudley Henriques
> > wrote in
> >:
>
>> Larry Dighera wrote:
>>> On Sat, 06 Oct 2007 10:37:26 -0400, Dudley Henriques
>>> > wrote in
>>> >:
>>>
>>>> Stories from us "older folk" have their place in aviation. The same
>>>> story can be funny for a forum or it can be a much needed reminder that
>>>> has the potential to save lives.
>>>
>>> I find them enjoyable and informative reading. It would be valuable
>>> indeed if these and similar stories were all posted in one place, so
>>> they would have meaningful titles and wouldn't disappear under all the
>>> follow up articles and other flotsam in rec.aviation.piloting.
>>>
>>> What would it take to get you and John, and whoever else has a few
>>> yarns to spin, to post these gems to rec.aviation.stories? Then we
>>> could set the follow ups to rec.aviation.piloting, so comments and
>>> corrections to them would still be possible.
>>>
>> How can I say this the right way???
>>
>> I have spent the better part of my life directly and indirectly
>> associated with saving the lives of people who fly airplanes.
>>
>> With all due respect to Usenet, for the "self deprecating" side of the
>> equation, I find Usenet the perfect venue for old stories, but for
>> presenting anything having a lasting effect on the flight safety side of
>> the equation, I would find any venue referring to an input from me as "a
>> few yarns to spin" the last place on earth I would go thinking that this
>> input would help the flight safety issue :-))
>
> I understand that point of view. But, I'm confused by your posting
> valuable, safety related information over the years. That seems to be
> contradictory.

Hardly. The fact that I might post useful information has absolutely no
relationship whatsoever to any self perceived expectation that what I
post will actually help anyone reading it on Usenet. If that is the
result, I consider that pure chance.

More than likely, the person reading it will be much more concerned with
his/her opinion that I'm a self absorbed Narcissistic know-it-all who
simply posts on Usenet to bolster my over inflated opinion of myself.

Perhaps it will be read by the person who, after my suggesting to him
that stall should be thought of as a function of angle of attack rather
than airspeed, wrote an email to me suggesting that both myself and my
family would be better off if we all died in the crash that would surely
be the result of anyone taking the advice I had posted :-)
>
>> Thanks, but no thanks. I'll post a "story" on Usenet from time to time,
>
> Great! That's what I was asking.
>
> Are you aware that the rec.aviation.stories newsgroup exists just for
> that purpose? See for yourself; here's the charter:
>
>
> CHARTER:
>
> A home for one of the greatest strengths of rec.aviation --
> longer postings of stories and experiences, including
> descriptions of cross-country trips, "I learned about flying from
> that", airshow reports, and so on.
>
>
>> but I expect no useful result from this venue on the flight safety
>> issue.......perhaps someone telling me to "f**k off once in a while, or
>> someone with a plastic stick on their desktop "correcting me" by telling
>> me that something I've been doing for fifty years and teaching people
>> who teach others whatto do for fifty years is all wrong, but little more
>> than that.
>
> I can understand your frustration and low expectation; Usenet seems to
> have significantly devolved since the general public gained access to
> it. Unfortunately, it's going to take participants with vision and a
> sincere desire to elevate the content of this newsgroup to effect any
> change for the better.

Totally useless venture in my opinion, but admirable nonetheless. You
have my blessing :-)
>
> Usenet is self-governed without a central authority; that's both the
> egalitarian beauty and anarchical bane of Usenet. It's predicated on
> the noble notion that individuals are capable of governing themselves,
> and seek to apply their creativity toward improving it.

Nuff said!! The very essence of failure on a bun!! :-))
>
> Perhaps I'm tilting windmills, but I feel the responsibility to make
> an effort to raise the newsgroup's signal-to-noise ratio is incumbent
> on its participants. And I suspect that there is a silent majority
> who would agree. Unfortunately, there is a vocal minority who feel no
> such responsibility. But personally, I've got to make the effort.

Go for it Don Quixote. Another great "story" BTW :-)))
>
> What you choose to do is up to you.

You obviously don't know my wife.

--
Dudley Henriques

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Dudley Henriques > wrote in
:

> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>> Dudley Henriques > wrote in
>> :
>>
>>
>>
>>> It's the old guys like us who HAVE the stories....simply because
we've
>>> survived most of them :-))
>>
>>
>> Actaully, I could dine out for a week on the storis I had by the time
I
>> was 22. I was a very poor listener.
>>> Sometimes when I actually have the time to sit down and reflect on
>> some
>>> of the absolutely wild crap I've gotten into and out of in my career
>> it
>>> scares the hell out of me :-))
>>>
>>
>> I figure it's mostly been a dream.
>>
>>> Take my "famous"... (with the family at least) story about the day I
>>> took the horns off a cow with a P51. Now THERE'S a story!!
>>>
>>> This story is so good that every year at Thanksgiving when I forget
>>> everybody in the house has heard it a thousand times and trot it out
>> for
>>> the whole table it's met with shouts of enthusiasm and excitement as
>>> they anxiously await every word of it.
>>> "Oh NO!! Not AGAIN!!!!"
>>> "Jeeze,,Holy Cow Hon....not the damn COW story again!!"
>>>
>>> Yup!!!....they can't WAIT to hear the cow story!
>>
>>
>> I have one with hornets...Since it ends up with me being stung and
>> covered in **** everone enjoys it.
>>
>>
>> Bertie
>>
>
> These self deprecating stories do seem to be the best received
stories.
> It's funny about "stories". Take the one I've posted here about the
cow.
> I kid with this one a great deal and have had some fun with it over
the
> years, but there's another side to this story.
>
> I've used it as well in safety seminars where I've been asked to speak
> with war bird pilots on flight safety issues. Of course in that venue
> the more serious side of the same story is emphasized and all the self
> deprecation crap is put aside.
> When talking to war bird pilots, the cow becomes incidental to the
fact
> that the lead in a two ship formation loop has to be velvet smooth,
> leave the trailer a few extra inches of manifold pressure and positive
g
> to fool with to use in maintaining position, and most of all, go
through
> the high gate position on speed, on altitude, and correctly in the
float.
>
> Stories from us "older folk" have their place in aviation. The same
> story can be funny for a forum or it can be a much needed reminder
that
> has the potential to save lives.
> But.....I digress.........aging by the minute........remembering old
> stories :-))



Well, I love them. I have a fw (that pale in comparison to most of
your's) and like telling em. But tghere's nothng like hearing a real
ripper.
I got to talk to a Flying Tiger once. Carl Spaatz's nephew, in fact. I
can't remember his name, bt he told me stories for hours and hours. Also
met a Lancaster pilot that went down in Belgium during the war and ws
missing most of the finger on his left hand as a result. A Sopwiht Camel
driver who came up to my flightdeck, An ex RAF test pilot who reagled me
with tales of flying everything from the Hampden to the Hornet, a WASP,
I worked for a Korean war ace (who is still alive and will almost
certainly humt me down for taking his name in vain) also worked for a
WW2 pilot who flew an A-20 in combat in the Pacific (he didn't say much
abvout it) a CG-4 instructor a B-50 pilot and I once met Matty Laird
though he didn;t tell me any stories, nor did Dick Rutan or Eric
hartman, but I like to imagine my life is richer for just getting to
shake their hand and say "hi". the best of all must have been Phil
Cochran who probably would have told me anything I wanted to know, but I
was only very young and too shy to ask!

As you probably know, Tony Levier hung around RAH, but died before I got
to ask him anything. I'd have loved to ask him what it was like to fly
in the Greeves or Thompson, but he's flying around somewhere else now..



Sorry for the ramble! guess the point is, treasure them while they're
here!

Bertie

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
> Dudley Henriques > wrote in
> :
>
>> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>>> Dudley Henriques > wrote in
>>> :
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> It's the old guys like us who HAVE the stories....simply because
> we've
>>>> survived most of them :-))
>>>
>>> Actaully, I could dine out for a week on the storis I had by the time
> I
>>> was 22. I was a very poor listener.
>>>> Sometimes when I actually have the time to sit down and reflect on
>>> some
>>>> of the absolutely wild crap I've gotten into and out of in my career
>>> it
>>>> scares the hell out of me :-))
>>>>
>>> I figure it's mostly been a dream.
>>>
>>>> Take my "famous"... (with the family at least) story about the day I
>>>> took the horns off a cow with a P51. Now THERE'S a story!!
>>>>
>>>> This story is so good that every year at Thanksgiving when I forget
>>>> everybody in the house has heard it a thousand times and trot it out
>>> for
>>>> the whole table it's met with shouts of enthusiasm and excitement as
>>>> they anxiously await every word of it.
>>>> "Oh NO!! Not AGAIN!!!!"
>>>> "Jeeze,,Holy Cow Hon....not the damn COW story again!!"
>>>>
>>>> Yup!!!....they can't WAIT to hear the cow story!
>>>
>>> I have one with hornets...Since it ends up with me being stung and
>>> covered in **** everone enjoys it.
>>>
>>>
>>> Bertie
>>>
>> These self deprecating stories do seem to be the best received
> stories.
>> It's funny about "stories". Take the one I've posted here about the
> cow.
>> I kid with this one a great deal and have had some fun with it over
> the
>> years, but there's another side to this story.
>>
>> I've used it as well in safety seminars where I've been asked to speak
>> with war bird pilots on flight safety issues. Of course in that venue
>> the more serious side of the same story is emphasized and all the self
>> deprecation crap is put aside.
>> When talking to war bird pilots, the cow becomes incidental to the
> fact
>> that the lead in a two ship formation loop has to be velvet smooth,
>> leave the trailer a few extra inches of manifold pressure and positive
> g
>> to fool with to use in maintaining position, and most of all, go
> through
>> the high gate position on speed, on altitude, and correctly in the
> float.
>> Stories from us "older folk" have their place in aviation. The same
>> story can be funny for a forum or it can be a much needed reminder
> that
>> has the potential to save lives.
>> But.....I digress.........aging by the minute........remembering old
>> stories :-))
>
>
>
> Well, I love them. I have a fw (that pale in comparison to most of
> your's) and like telling em. But tghere's nothng like hearing a real
> ripper.
> I got to talk to a Flying Tiger once. Carl Spaatz's nephew, in fact. I
> can't remember his name, bt he told me stories for hours and hours. Also
> met a Lancaster pilot that went down in Belgium during the war and ws
> missing most of the finger on his left hand as a result. A Sopwiht Camel
> driver who came up to my flightdeck, An ex RAF test pilot who reagled me
> with tales of flying everything from the Hampden to the Hornet, a WASP,
> I worked for a Korean war ace (who is still alive and will almost
> certainly humt me down for taking his name in vain) also worked for a
> WW2 pilot who flew an A-20 in combat in the Pacific (he didn't say much
> abvout it) a CG-4 instructor a B-50 pilot and I once met Matty Laird
> though he didn;t tell me any stories, nor did Dick Rutan or Eric
> hartman, but I like to imagine my life is richer for just getting to
> shake their hand and say "hi". the best of all must have been Phil
> Cochran who probably would have told me anything I wanted to know, but I
> was only very young and too shy to ask!
>
> As you probably know, Tony Levier hung around RAH, but died before I got
> to ask him anything. I'd have loved to ask him what it was like to fly
> in the Greeves or Thompson, but he's flying around somewhere else now..
>
>
>
> Sorry for the ramble! guess the point is, treasure them while they're
> here!
>
> Bertie

You're right. Talking with men like these was where I learned my
history. Many are gone now and we;re losing more every day.
I don't know how many hours I spent on the phone with the many friends I
have known from this era.

Aside from hashing about Chennault and the AVG with Scotty and fighting
the air war with a few more close pilot friends from the old days, I
think I appreciated my friendship with Douglas Bader the most.
Strangely enough it wasn't his ability and record as a pilot I respected
the most, but his constant work with paralyzed people, especially
children that I liked and respected him for the most.
What a wonderful person he was. I really miss kidding him about the
endless comparisons I made with the Mustang and his Hurricane and Spit.
Talk about trolling!!!! But it was all in fun, and I miss Douglas very
much. He was a fine gentlemen and a real friend.


--
Dudley Henriques

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Dudley Henriques > wrote in
:

> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>> Dudley Henriques > wrote in
>> :
>>
>>> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>>>> Dudley Henriques > wrote in
>>>> :
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> It's the old guys like us who HAVE the stories....simply because
>> we've
>>>>> survived most of them :-))
>>>>
>>>> Actaully, I could dine out for a week on the storis I had by the
>>>> time
>> I
>>>> was 22. I was a very poor listener.
>>>>> Sometimes when I actually have the time to sit down and reflect on
>>>> some
>>>>> of the absolutely wild crap I've gotten into and out of in my
>>>>> career
>>>> it
>>>>> scares the hell out of me :-))
>>>>>
>>>> I figure it's mostly been a dream.
>>>>
>>>>> Take my "famous"... (with the family at least) story about the day
>>>>> I took the horns off a cow with a P51. Now THERE'S a story!!
>>>>>
>>>>> This story is so good that every year at Thanksgiving when I
>>>>> forget everybody in the house has heard it a thousand times and
>>>>> trot it out
>>>> for
>>>>> the whole table it's met with shouts of enthusiasm and excitement
>>>>> as they anxiously await every word of it.
>>>>> "Oh NO!! Not AGAIN!!!!"
>>>>> "Jeeze,,Holy Cow Hon....not the damn COW story again!!"
>>>>>
>>>>> Yup!!!....they can't WAIT to hear the cow story!
>>>>
>>>> I have one with hornets...Since it ends up with me being stung and
>>>> covered in **** everone enjoys it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bertie
>>>>
>>> These self deprecating stories do seem to be the best received
>> stories.
>>> It's funny about "stories". Take the one I've posted here about the
>> cow.
>>> I kid with this one a great deal and have had some fun with it over
>> the
>>> years, but there's another side to this story.
>>>
>>> I've used it as well in safety seminars where I've been asked to
>>> speak with war bird pilots on flight safety issues. Of course in
>>> that venue the more serious side of the same story is emphasized and
>>> all the self deprecation crap is put aside.
>>> When talking to war bird pilots, the cow becomes incidental to the
>> fact
>>> that the lead in a two ship formation loop has to be velvet smooth,
>>> leave the trailer a few extra inches of manifold pressure and
>>> positive
>> g
>>> to fool with to use in maintaining position, and most of all, go
>> through
>>> the high gate position on speed, on altitude, and correctly in the
>> float.
>>> Stories from us "older folk" have their place in aviation. The same
>>> story can be funny for a forum or it can be a much needed reminder
>> that
>>> has the potential to save lives.
>>> But.....I digress.........aging by the minute........remembering old
>>> stories :-))
>>
>>
>>
>> Well, I love them. I have a fw (that pale in comparison to most of
>> your's) and like telling em. But tghere's nothng like hearing a real
>> ripper.
>> I got to talk to a Flying Tiger once. Carl Spaatz's nephew, in fact.
>> I can't remember his name, bt he told me stories for hours and hours.
>> Also met a Lancaster pilot that went down in Belgium during the war
>> and ws missing most of the finger on his left hand as a result. A
>> Sopwiht Camel driver who came up to my flightdeck, An ex RAF test
>> pilot who reagled me with tales of flying everything from the Hampden
>> to the Hornet, a WASP, I worked for a Korean war ace (who is still
>> alive and will almost certainly humt me down for taking his name in
>> vain) also worked for a WW2 pilot who flew an A-20 in combat in the
>> Pacific (he didn't say much abvout it) a CG-4 instructor a B-50 pilot
>> and I once met Matty Laird though he didn;t tell me any stories, nor
>> did Dick Rutan or Eric hartman, but I like to imagine my life is
>> richer for just getting to shake their hand and say "hi". the best of
>> all must have been Phil Cochran who probably would have told me
>> anything I wanted to know, but I was only very young and too shy to
>> ask!
>>
>> As you probably know, Tony Levier hung around RAH, but died before I
>> got to ask him anything. I'd have loved to ask him what it was like
>> to fly in the Greeves or Thompson, but he's flying around somewhere
>> else now..
>>
>>
>>
>> Sorry for the ramble! guess the point is, treasure them while they're
>> here!
>>
>> Bertie
>
> You're right. Talking with men like these was where I learned my
> history. Many are gone now and we;re losing more every day.
> I don't know how many hours I spent on the phone with the many friends
> I have known from this era.
>
> Aside from hashing about Chennault and the AVG with Scotty and
> fighting the air war with a few more close pilot friends from the old
> days, I think I appreciated my friendship with Douglas Bader the most.
> Strangely enough it wasn't his ability and record as a pilot I
> respected the most, but his constant work with paralyzed people,
> especially children that I liked and respected him for the most.
> What a wonderful person he was. I really miss kidding him about the
> endless comparisons I made with the Mustang and his Hurricane and
> Spit. Talk about trolling!!!! But it was all in fun, and I miss
> Douglas very much. He was a fine gentlemen and a real friend.
>
>

K'm speechless.

Bertie

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
> Dudley Henriques > wrote in
> :
>
>> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>>> Dudley Henriques > wrote in
>>> :
>>>
>>>> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>>>>> Dudley Henriques > wrote in
>>>>> :
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> It's the old guys like us who HAVE the stories....simply because
>>> we've
>>>>>> survived most of them :-))
>>>>> Actaully, I could dine out for a week on the storis I had by the
>>>>> time
>>> I
>>>>> was 22. I was a very poor listener.
>>>>>> Sometimes when I actually have the time to sit down and reflect on
>>>>> some
>>>>>> of the absolutely wild crap I've gotten into and out of in my
>>>>>> career
>>>>> it
>>>>>> scares the hell out of me :-))
>>>>>>
>>>>> I figure it's mostly been a dream.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Take my "famous"... (with the family at least) story about the day
>>>>>> I took the horns off a cow with a P51. Now THERE'S a story!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This story is so good that every year at Thanksgiving when I
>>>>>> forget everybody in the house has heard it a thousand times and
>>>>>> trot it out
>>>>> for
>>>>>> the whole table it's met with shouts of enthusiasm and excitement
>>>>>> as they anxiously await every word of it.
>>>>>> "Oh NO!! Not AGAIN!!!!"
>>>>>> "Jeeze,,Holy Cow Hon....not the damn COW story again!!"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yup!!!....they can't WAIT to hear the cow story!
>>>>> I have one with hornets...Since it ends up with me being stung and
>>>>> covered in **** everone enjoys it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Bertie
>>>>>
>>>> These self deprecating stories do seem to be the best received
>>> stories.
>>>> It's funny about "stories". Take the one I've posted here about the
>>> cow.
>>>> I kid with this one a great deal and have had some fun with it over
>>> the
>>>> years, but there's another side to this story.
>>>>
>>>> I've used it as well in safety seminars where I've been asked to
>>>> speak with war bird pilots on flight safety issues. Of course in
>>>> that venue the more serious side of the same story is emphasized and
>>>> all the self deprecation crap is put aside.
>>>> When talking to war bird pilots, the cow becomes incidental to the
>>> fact
>>>> that the lead in a two ship formation loop has to be velvet smooth,
>>>> leave the trailer a few extra inches of manifold pressure and
>>>> positive
>>> g
>>>> to fool with to use in maintaining position, and most of all, go
>>> through
>>>> the high gate position on speed, on altitude, and correctly in the
>>> float.
>>>> Stories from us "older folk" have their place in aviation. The same
>>>> story can be funny for a forum or it can be a much needed reminder
>>> that
>>>> has the potential to save lives.
>>>> But.....I digress.........aging by the minute........remembering old
>>>> stories :-))
>>>
>>>
>>> Well, I love them. I have a fw (that pale in comparison to most of
>>> your's) and like telling em. But tghere's nothng like hearing a real
>>> ripper.
>>> I got to talk to a Flying Tiger once. Carl Spaatz's nephew, in fact.
>>> I can't remember his name, bt he told me stories for hours and hours.
>>> Also met a Lancaster pilot that went down in Belgium during the war
>>> and ws missing most of the finger on his left hand as a result. A
>>> Sopwiht Camel driver who came up to my flightdeck, An ex RAF test
>>> pilot who reagled me with tales of flying everything from the Hampden
>>> to the Hornet, a WASP, I worked for a Korean war ace (who is still
>>> alive and will almost certainly humt me down for taking his name in
>>> vain) also worked for a WW2 pilot who flew an A-20 in combat in the
>>> Pacific (he didn't say much abvout it) a CG-4 instructor a B-50 pilot
>>> and I once met Matty Laird though he didn;t tell me any stories, nor
>>> did Dick Rutan or Eric hartman, but I like to imagine my life is
>>> richer for just getting to shake their hand and say "hi". the best of
>>> all must have been Phil Cochran who probably would have told me
>>> anything I wanted to know, but I was only very young and too shy to
>>> ask!
>>>
>>> As you probably know, Tony Levier hung around RAH, but died before I
>>> got to ask him anything. I'd have loved to ask him what it was like
>>> to fly in the Greeves or Thompson, but he's flying around somewhere
>>> else now..
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sorry for the ramble! guess the point is, treasure them while they're
>>> here!
>>>
>>> Bertie
>> You're right. Talking with men like these was where I learned my
>> history. Many are gone now and we;re losing more every day.
>> I don't know how many hours I spent on the phone with the many friends
>> I have known from this era.
>>
>> Aside from hashing about Chennault and the AVG with Scotty and
>> fighting the air war with a few more close pilot friends from the old
>> days, I think I appreciated my friendship with Douglas Bader the most.
>> Strangely enough it wasn't his ability and record as a pilot I
>> respected the most, but his constant work with paralyzed people,
>> especially children that I liked and respected him for the most.
>> What a wonderful person he was. I really miss kidding him about the
>> endless comparisons I made with the Mustang and his Hurricane and
>> Spit. Talk about trolling!!!! But it was all in fun, and I miss
>> Douglas very much. He was a fine gentlemen and a real friend.
>>
>>
>
> K'm speechless.
>
> Bertie

Impossible! I have faith :-)

--
Dudley Henriques

[Mxsmanic]

Viperdoc writes:

> Of course, le chaud lapin means something like the warm rabbit, so perhaps
> he is luring us like a rabbit would a pack of dogs, and naturally everyone
> fell for it.

"Chaud lapin" means "hot rabbit," and often implies someone very interested in
sex (or some other activity).

[Mxsmanic]

Dudley Henriques writes:

> I had a student like this guy once, or I should say I had him for the
> one lesson it took me to ask him politely to find himself another
> instructor.

You might be surprised at the type of student I am.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> Viperdoc writes:
>
>> Of course, le chaud lapin means something like the warm rabbit, so
>> perhaps he is luring us like a rabbit would a pack of dogs, and
>> naturally everyone fell for it.
>
> "Chaud lapin" means "hot rabbit," and often implies someone very
> interested in sex (or some other activity).
>

So, when you picked your sock name you wanted to pick something that
wouldn't make anyone think of you, eh?


Fjukkwit


Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> Dudley Henriques writes:
>
>> I had a student like this guy once, or I should say I had him for the
>> one lesson it took me to ask him politely to find himself another
>> instructor.
>
> You might be surprised at the type of student I am.
>



Nobody would


Bertie