Looks like GA is done for...

[Kirk Ellis]

Then the discussions about fuel costs, user's fees and what REALLY
makes an airplane fly will be replaced with discussions on power grid
anomalies, utility company charges, and what REALLY is going on when
your subatomic particles are split apart and reassembled.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/science/10/10/human.teleportation/index.html



Kirk
PPL-ASEL

[Aluckyguess]

They are going about it all wrong.
There needs to be a beam somewhere in the equation.
"Kirk Ellis" > wrote in message
...
> Then the discussions about fuel costs, user's fees and what REALLY
> makes an airplane fly will be replaced with discussions on power grid
> anomalies, utility company charges, and what REALLY is going on when
> your subatomic particles are split apart and reassembled.
>
> http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/science/10/10/human.teleportation/index.html
>
>
>
> Kirk
> PPL-ASEL

[[email protected]]

On Oct 12, 4:49 am, Kirk Ellis
> wrote:
> Then the discussions about fuel costs, user's fees and what REALLY
> makes an airplane fly will be replaced with discussions on power grid
> anomalies, utility company charges, and what REALLY is going on when
> your subatomic particles are split apart and reassembled.
>
> http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/science/10/10/human.teleportation/index....
>
> Kirk
> PPL-ASEL

Great, so now everyone can destroy themselves only to have an exact
duplicate of them created someplace else. Teleportation or cloning?

[Blanche]

Kirk Ellis <kae> wrote:
>Then the discussions about fuel costs, user's fees and what REALLY
>makes an airplane fly will be replaced with discussions on power grid
>anomalies, utility company charges, and what REALLY is going on when
>your subatomic particles are split apart and reassembled.
>
>http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/science/10/10/human.teleportation/index.html
>

We're actually gonna have a Transporter someday!

On the other hand, do you really want a Stargate or Transporter controlled
by Windows? Whole 'nother meaning to the Blue Screen of Death.

(*chortle*)

[Jim Stewart]

Blanche wrote:
> Kirk Ellis <kae> wrote:
>
>>Then the discussions about fuel costs, user's fees and what REALLY
>>makes an airplane fly will be replaced with discussions on power grid
>>anomalies, utility company charges, and what REALLY is going on when
>>your subatomic particles are split apart and reassembled.
>>
>>http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/science/10/10/human.teleportation/index.html
>>
>
>
> We're actually gonna have a Transporter someday!

I'd be happy just to have a transponder.

[[email protected]]

Blanche > wrote:
> Kirk Ellis <kae> wrote:
> >Then the discussions about fuel costs, user's fees and what REALLY
> >makes an airplane fly will be replaced with discussions on power grid
> >anomalies, utility company charges, and what REALLY is going on when
> >your subatomic particles are split apart and reassembled.
> >
> >http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/science/10/10/human.teleportation/index.html
> >

> We're actually gonna have a Transporter someday!

Not bloody likely.

First you would have to be able to convert a standard 190 lb mass to
energy, store and transport the energy to somewhere else, convert
the energy back to matter, all without loss.

Do a back of the envelope estimate of the energy involved here.

Then there is the problem of momentum.

Joe teleports form 30 degrees north to 40 degrees north.

When he arrives, how do you keep him from flying off the receiving
teleport pad from his momentum?

> On the other hand, do you really want a Stargate or Transporter controlled
> by Windows? Whole 'nother meaning to the Blue Screen of Death.

> (*chortle*)

The bugs in Vista will be fixed by then...

--
Jim Pennino

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[Robert M. Gary]

On Oct 12, 9:35 am, wrote:
> Blanche > wrote:
> > Kirk Ellis <kae> wrote:
> > >Then the discussions about fuel costs, user's fees and what REALLY
> > >makes an airplane fly will be replaced with discussions on power grid
> > >anomalies, utility company charges, and what REALLY is going on when
> > >your subatomic particles are split apart and reassembled.
>
> > >http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/science/10/10/human.teleportation/index....
>
> > We're actually gonna have a Transporter someday!
>
> Not bloody likely.
>
> First you would have to be able to convert a standard 190 lb mass to
> energy, store and transport the energy to somewhere else, convert
> the energy back to matter, all without loss.
>
> Do a back of the envelope estimate of the energy involved here.

I don't think energy will be a problem in the future. I'm sure packet
sized reactors will be common. Converting a mass into energy is almost
trivial. The challenge is in reassembling everything, not just exactly
as its suppose to be but quick enough that it stabalizes. You don't
want 1/2 a cell sitting around for 1/2 a second.

-Robert

[Phil]

On Oct 12, 12:08 pm, "Robert M. Gary" > wrote:
> On Oct 12, 9:35 am, wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Blanche > wrote:
> > > Kirk Ellis <kae> wrote:
> > > >Then the discussions about fuel costs, user's fees and what REALLY
> > > >makes an airplane fly will be replaced with discussions on power grid
> > > >anomalies, utility company charges, and what REALLY is going on when
> > > >your subatomic particles are split apart and reassembled.
>
> > > >http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/science/10/10/human.teleportation/index....
>
> > > We're actually gonna have a Transporter someday!
>
> > Not bloody likely.
>
> > First you would have to be able to convert a standard 190 lb mass to
> > energy, store and transport the energy to somewhere else, convert
> > the energy back to matter, all without loss.
>
> > Do a back of the envelope estimate of the energy involved here.
>
> I don't think energy will be a problem in the future. I'm sure packet
> sized reactors will be common. Converting a mass into energy is almost
> trivial. The challenge is in reassembling everything, not just exactly
> as its suppose to be but quick enough that it stabalizes. You don't
> want 1/2 a cell sitting around for 1/2 a second.
>
> -Robert- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

The problem I have with a transporter is...it kills you. Sure it
makes a nice exact duplicate of you somewhere else. But you are still
dead, even if your copy lives on.

[Jay Honeck]

> Then the discussions about fuel costs, user's fees and what REALLY
> makes an airplane fly will be replaced with discussions on power grid
> anomalies, utility company charges, and what REALLY is going on when
> your subatomic particles are split apart and reassembled.

Whew! I thought this was gonna be a thread about what happens to the
space-time continuum (and GA, too) when the "Inventor of the Internet"
wins the Nobel Peace Prize...

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Thomas Borchert]

Robert,

> I don't think energy will be a problem in the future.
>

If you're talking more energy than there is in the whole known
universe, it will be.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

[kontiki]

Jay Honeck wrote:
>
> Whew! I thought this was gonna be a thread about what happens to the
> space-time continuum (and GA, too) when the "Inventor of the Internet"
> wins the Nobel Peace Prize...
>

What.. me worry? I'm gonna just sit back and let Algore invent
the solution for controlling the climate of the earth.

[Mxsmanic]

Robert M. Gary writes:

> Converting a mass into energy is almost trivial.

The energy equivalent of a 190-lb man (about 4.7 trillion kilowatt-hours) is
roughly equal to the entire annual power output of Hoover Dam for the next
1200 years, or more than a quarter-million Hiroshima-sized nuclear bombs.
That's not exactly trivial.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> Robert M. Gary writes:
>
>> Converting a mass into energy is almost trivial.
>
> The energy equivalent of a 190-lb man (about 4.7 trillion
> kilowatt-hours) is roughly equal to the entire annual power output of
> Hoover Dam for the next 1200 years, or more than a quarter-million
> Hiroshima-sized nuclear bombs. That's not exactly trivial.
>



Yeah,I can easily see you expending that sort of energy..

Not..

Bertie

[GrtArtiste]

On Oct 12, 1:08 pm, "Robert M. Gary" > wrote:

> I don't think energy will be a problem in the future. I'm sure packet
> sized reactors will be common. Converting a mass into energy is almost
> trivial. The challenge is in reassembling everything, not just exactly
> as its suppose to be but quick enough that it stabalizes. You don't
> want 1/2 a cell sitting around for 1/2 a second.

Isn't that why an annular confinement beam is needed?

http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Annular_confinement_beam

/sarcasm

GrtArtiste

[Jay Honeck]

> > Whew! I thought this was gonna be a thread about what happens to the
> > space-time continuum (and GA, too) when the "Inventor of the Internet"
> > wins the Nobel Peace Prize...
>
> What.. me worry? I'm gonna just sit back and let Algore invent
> the solution for controlling the climate of the earth.

What's really funny is that our local newspaper ran an article this
morning, trumpeting how the Nobel Prize has legitimized Gore when, in
fact, it is Gore who has de-legitimized the Nobel Prize...

I'm just amazed how this whole thing has snowballed into a "global
emergency" that can only be fixed (surprise!) by people who stand to
make billions. As P.T. Barnum once noted, there really *is* one (more
like 1000) born every minute.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Matt Whiting]

Jay Honeck wrote:
>>> Whew! I thought this was gonna be a thread about what happens to the
>>> space-time continuum (and GA, too) when the "Inventor of the Internet"
>>> wins the Nobel Peace Prize...
>> What.. me worry? I'm gonna just sit back and let Algore invent
>> the solution for controlling the climate of the earth.
>
> What's really funny is that our local newspaper ran an article this
> morning, trumpeting how the Nobel Prize has legitimized Gore when, in
> fact, it is Gore who has de-legitimized the Nobel Prize...
>
> I'm just amazed how this whole thing has snowballed into a "global
> emergency" that can only be fixed (surprise!) by people who stand to
> make billions. As P.T. Barnum once noted, there really *is* one (more
> like 1000) born every minute.

And I once read a corollary that said something like "There's a shyster
born every hour who can handle 60 suckers/fools." I'll leave it to you
to decide which one is Al Gore. :-)

Matt

[[email protected]]

Jay Honeck > wrote:
> > > Whew! I thought this was gonna be a thread about what happens to the
> > > space-time continuum (and GA, too) when the "Inventor of the Internet"
> > > wins the Nobel Peace Prize...
> >
> > What.. me worry? I'm gonna just sit back and let Algore invent
> > the solution for controlling the climate of the earth.

> What's really funny is that our local newspaper ran an article this
> morning, trumpeting how the Nobel Prize has legitimized Gore when, in
> fact, it is Gore who has de-legitimized the Nobel Prize...

Nah, what's really funny is that at the same time the British courts,
in a case involving schools showing his movie to students, have found
it less than truthful and not very scientific.


--
Jim Pennino

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[Dan Luke[_2_]]

> wrote:


>> What's really funny is that our local newspaper ran an article this
>> morning, trumpeting how the Nobel Prize has legitimized Gore when, in
>> fact, it is Gore who has de-legitimized the Nobel Prize...
>
> Nah, what's really funny is that at the same time the British courts,
> in a case involving schools showing his movie to students, have found
> it less than truthful and not very scientific.

....<oof, grunt>
....Must...resist....<unh,urgh>..Must...not..join...another...<gnnnk>...global...warming...thread....

[Matt Barrow[_4_]]

"Dan Luke" > wrote in message
...
>
> > wrote:
>
>
>>> What's really funny is that our local newspaper ran an article this
>>> morning, trumpeting how the Nobel Prize has legitimized Gore when, in
>>> fact, it is Gore who has de-legitimized the Nobel Prize...
>>
>> Nah, what's really funny is that at the same time the British courts,
>> in a case involving schools showing his movie to students, have found
>> it less than truthful and not very scientific.
>
> ...<oof, grunt>
> ...Must...resist....<unh,urgh>..Must...not..join...another...<gnnnk>...global...warming...thread....
"Global Warming" is so passé...the new term is "Climate Change" (nothing
nebulous about that, is there?, though that might be a significant clue)

[Dan Luke[_2_]]

"Matt Barrow" wrote:

> "Global Warming" is so passé...the new term is "Climate Change" (nothing
> nebulous about that, is there?, though that might be a significant clue)

Nice try, Barrow.

No frakking way.

--
Dan

"Sanity is not to be without fantasy, but to know reality, and remember the
difference."
- Clive James

[Matt Barrow[_4_]]

"Dan Luke" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Matt Barrow" wrote:
>
>> "Global Warming" is so passé...the new term is "Climate Change" (nothing
>> nebulous about that, is there?, though that might be a significant clue)
>
> Nice try, Barrow.
>
> No frakking way.
>
> --
> Dan
RUN AWAY...RUN AWAY... :~)

[Montblack]

("Matt Barrow" wrote)
> "Global Warming" is so passé...the new term is "Climate Change" (nothing
> nebulous about that, is there?, though that might be a significant clue)


I'm a strong advocate for "Climate Stay-the-Same"

Mostly because those 'Stay-the-Same as what?' arguments are so priceless.


Montblack :-)

[Kirk Ellis]

On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 17:05:02 GMT, wrote:

>Jay Honeck > wrote:
>> > > Whew! I thought this was gonna be a thread about what happens to the
>> > > space-time continuum (and GA, too) when the "Inventor of the Internet"
>> > > wins the Nobel Peace Prize...
>> >
>> > What.. me worry? I'm gonna just sit back and let Algore invent
>> > the solution for controlling the climate of the earth.
>
>> What's really funny is that our local newspaper ran an article this
>> morning, trumpeting how the Nobel Prize has legitimized Gore when, in
>> fact, it is Gore who has de-legitimized the Nobel Prize...
>
>Nah, what's really funny is that at the same time the British courts,
>in a case involving schools showing his movie to students, have found
>it less than truthful and not very scientific.

Mother nature will alter the climate when she is ready and there is
nothing that can be done to change her mind. Once upon a time she let
the dinosaurs have the key to the world and later realized they didn't
quite live up their potential. So she made a change and put the apes
in charge of the laboratory. She'll eventually realize (if not
already) that that experiment is not going too well and will have to
try plan C.



Kirk
PPL-ASEL

[Kingfish]

On Oct 14, 9:53 am, Kirk Ellis
> wrote:
>
> Mother nature will alter the climate when she is ready and there is
> nothing that can be done to change her mind. Once upon a time she let
> the dinosaurs have the key to the world and later realized they didn't
> quite live up their potential. So she made a change and put the apes
> in charge of the laboratory. She'll eventually realize (if not
> already) that that experiment is not going too well and will have to
> try plan C.
>

Dinosaurs were done in by their own farts. Think about it - all that
methane released into the atmosphere causing extreme climatic
changes... I've read the single largest source of greenhouse gases is
emissions from cattle. (again, farts) Seeing as history has a nasty
habit of repeating itself, we should either change cows' diets or fit
them with methane-absorbing garments (undies?).... OR, just teach them
better manners <G>

Problem sol-ved.

[Matt Barrow[_4_]]

"Kingfish" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> On Oct 14, 9:53 am, Kirk Ellis
> > wrote:
>>
>> Mother nature will alter the climate when she is ready and there is
>> nothing that can be done to change her mind. Once upon a time she let
>> the dinosaurs have the key to the world and later realized they didn't
>> quite live up their potential. So she made a change and put the apes
>> in charge of the laboratory. She'll eventually realize (if not
>> already) that that experiment is not going too well and will have to
>> try plan C.
>>
>
> Dinosaurs were done in by their own farts. Think about it - all that
> methane released into the atmosphere causing extreme climatic
> changes... I've read the single largest source of greenhouse gases is
> emissions from cattle. (again, farts) Seeing as history has a nasty
> habit of repeating itself, we should either change cows' diets or fit
> them with methane-absorbing garments (undies?).... OR, just teach them
> better manners <G>
>
> Problem sol-ved.

Don't forget verbal farts emanating from Washington DC (District of
Criminals)

[Kloudy via AviationKB.com]

Kingfish wrote:
>
> Dinosaurs were done in by their own farts. Think about it - all that
>methane released into the atmosphere causing extreme climatic
>changes... I've read the single largest source of greenhouse gases is
>emissions from cattle. (again, farts)

The new , big source may turn out to be Lake Farts.
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg18725124.500.html

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