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[John Meyer]

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> [Image]

This one isn't the XH-17. It's a model of a Hiller heavy-lift helicopter
powered by ramjets, but I don't know the designation. I'll bet this is
the same model.

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Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?
- Epicurus (341- 270 BC)

[Ron Monroe]

Yes, this is the XH-17, built by Hughes, in Culver City. It was originally
designed by Kellet, and the project was killed in 1953. This didn't use
ramjets, but it was powered by the two big J-35 jet engines, pumping hot air
through the rotors. Not to be confused with their later hot air cycle
helicopter, I think, the XV-9A. I don't believe Hiller ever made their
heavy lift coptor concept, but they made the small two man Hiller Hornet,
YH-32. Mcdonnel also made a small two seat ramjet powered rotor, called the
XH-20, but, I think those are the only two to fly.
Ron

"John Meyer" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> wrote:
>
>> [Image]
>
> This one isn't the XH-17. It's a model of a Hiller heavy-lift helicopter
> powered by ramjets, but I don't know the designation. I'll bet this is
> the same model.
>
> --
> Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
> Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
> Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
> Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?
> - Epicurus (341- 270 BC)
>
>

[John Meyer]

In article >,
"Ron Monroe" > wrote:

> Yes, this is the XH-17, built by Hughes, in Culver City. It was originally
> designed by Kellet, and the project was killed in 1953. This didn't use
> ramjets, but it was powered by the two big J-35 jet engines, pumping hot air
> through the rotors. Not to be confused with their later hot air cycle
> helicopter, I think, the XV-9A. I don't believe Hiller ever made their
> heavy lift coptor concept, but they made the small two man Hiller Hornet,
> YH-32. Mcdonnel also made a small two seat ramjet powered rotor, called the
> XH-20, but, I think those are the only two to fly.
> Ron

Ron, the photo of the model I posted isn't the XH-17. It's in the Hiller
Aviation Museum in San Carlos, CA. It's the same model in the photo that
Troy posted. Here's all three to compare.

--
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?
- Epicurus (341- 270 BC)

[Ron Monroe]

Sorry, There seems to be some confusion here. I am not talking about a
model, I am talking about the photo you responded to, which is the actual
XH-17, not a model. I have even seen movie footage of it flying. There are
so many differences between the model and the photo of the helicopter, it's
tough to point them all out. It's like saying a DC-8 is a 707, because they
both have 4 engines and a swept wing. There is no argument about the model.
I suggest you do a "google" or what ever search method you would like, and
search on XH-17.
Ron


"John Meyer" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "Ron Monroe" > wrote:
>
>> Yes, this is the XH-17, built by Hughes, in Culver City. It was
>> originally
>> designed by Kellet, and the project was killed in 1953. This didn't use
>> ramjets, but it was powered by the two big J-35 jet engines, pumping hot
>> air
>> through the rotors. Not to be confused with their later hot air cycle
>> helicopter, I think, the XV-9A. I don't believe Hiller ever made their
>> heavy lift coptor concept, but they made the small two man Hiller Hornet,
>> YH-32. Mcdonnel also made a small two seat ramjet powered rotor, called
>> the
>> XH-20, but, I think those are the only two to fly.
>> Ron
>
> Ron, the photo of the model I posted isn't the XH-17. It's in the Hiller
> Aviation Museum in San Carlos, CA. It's the same model in the photo that
> Troy posted. Here's all three to compare.
>
> --
> Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
> Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
> Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
> Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?
> - Epicurus (341- 270 BC)
>
>

[Ron Monroe]

Retraction: Sorry, my mistake. I looked at the photo again, after I sent my
last reply. You are right, it's not the XH-17. I could have sworn when I
looked at it the first time, I was looking at the plane, not the model. Oh
well, please excuse me. i screwed up.
Ron

"John Meyer" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "Ron Monroe" > wrote:
>
>> Yes, this is the XH-17, built by Hughes, in Culver City. It was
>> originally
>> designed by Kellet, and the project was killed in 1953. This didn't use
>> ramjets, but it was powered by the two big J-35 jet engines, pumping hot
>> air
>> through the rotors. Not to be confused with their later hot air cycle
>> helicopter, I think, the XV-9A. I don't believe Hiller ever made their
>> heavy lift coptor concept, but they made the small two man Hiller Hornet,
>> YH-32. Mcdonnel also made a small two seat ramjet powered rotor, called
>> the
>> XH-20, but, I think those are the only two to fly.
>> Ron
>
> Ron, the photo of the model I posted isn't the XH-17. It's in the Hiller
> Aviation Museum in San Carlos, CA. It's the same model in the photo that
> Troy posted. Here's all three to compare.
>
> --
> Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
> Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
> Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
> Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?
> - Epicurus (341- 270 BC)
>
>

[John Meyer]

In article >,
"Ron Monroe" > wrote:

> Retraction: Sorry, my mistake. I looked at the photo again, after I sent my
> last reply. You are right, it's not the XH-17. I could have sworn when I
> looked at it the first time, I was looking at the plane, not the model. Oh
> well, please excuse me. i screwed up.
> Ron
>

No problem. It was interesting to see that model in the photo Troy
posted. I'm certain that's the same model that's in the museum now.

Hiller was doing some interesting concepts. One was a very very large
helicopter designed to snag Saturn V first-stage boosters in mid-air.
That technique was used by the Air Force if I remember right, to pick up
spy satellites. Anyway, the idea was for this huge flying crane to
loiter off Cape Kennedy and wait for the booster to come floating down
by parachute and then capture it. It was calculated that there would be
time for three chances before the booster was too close to the water.
This concept was deemed to be workable but since NASA's long term plan
included what became the Shuttle, it wasn't pursued. Too bad!

--
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?
- Epicurus (341- 270 BC)

[Ron Monroe]

Wow, that Saturn thing sure doesn't sound like something I'd want to try. At
least the satellite packagess were smaller. Were you referring to the method
they used with the C-119, that is now at the USAF museum? they modified the
rear so that they could winch the satellite package into the rear of the
cargo bay.

It didn't seem like Hiller could get a break in the later 50's. They were
never selected to build anything, and then merged with Fairchild. I guess
they are their own company again, but, I don't hear much about them.
Ron

"John Meyer" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "Ron Monroe" > wrote:
>
>> Retraction: Sorry, my mistake. I looked at the photo again, after I sent
>> my
>> last reply. You are right, it's not the XH-17. I could have sworn when I
>> looked at it the first time, I was looking at the plane, not the model.
>> Oh
>> well, please excuse me. i screwed up.
>> Ron
>>
>
> No problem. It was interesting to see that model in the photo Troy
> posted. I'm certain that's the same model that's in the museum now.
>
> Hiller was doing some interesting concepts. One was a very very large
> helicopter designed to snag Saturn V first-stage boosters in mid-air.
> That technique was used by the Air Force if I remember right, to pick up
> spy satellites. Anyway, the idea was for this huge flying crane to
> loiter off Cape Kennedy and wait for the booster to come floating down
> by parachute and then capture it. It was calculated that there would be
> time for three chances before the booster was too close to the water.
> This concept was deemed to be workable but since NASA's long term plan
> included what became the Shuttle, it wasn't pursued. Too bad!
>
> --
> Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
> Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
> Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
> Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?
> - Epicurus (341- 270 BC)