looking for helicopter news groups

[DNewill]

Hi - Long term EAA'er looking for newsgroup or usergroups on experimental
helicopters - Rotorway, etc.
Thanks

[Bill Chernoff]

http://www.rotorwayownersgroup.com/

[Maxwell]

"Bill Chernoff" > wrote in message
news:2DcTi.118776$th2.18942@pd7urf3no...
> http://www.rotorwayownersgroup.com/
>
>

Do you know if they welcome conversation on other models Bill?

I would be nice to see a group dedicated to experimental rotorcraft.

Max

[cavelamb himself[_4_]]

Oh golly, here we go again...

133 hp FOUR seater?

[Stuart & Kathryn Fields]

The rec.aviation.rotorcraft exists but is deader than last years tomatoes.
There are a few others that tend to specialize in the " I'm gonna" and "all
the other designers don't know what they are doing types", but I haven't
found one that involves people that are building and Flying experimental
helicopters. I'm also interested. Built and flying a Baby Belle/ Safari
plus attend a bunch of events looking at the experimental helicopters in
support of the magazine.

Stu Fields
Experimental Helo Magazine.
"DNewill" > wrote in message
. net...
> Hi - Long term EAA'er looking for newsgroup or usergroups on experimental
> helicopters - Rotorway, etc.
> Thanks
>

[Morgans[_2_]]

"cavelamb himself" > wrote in message
...
> Oh golly, here we go again...
>
> 133 hp FOUR seater?

That was the first one. The four seater is to be the second one, and will
have a Jincheng motorbike engine. Probably less power, though.

[Stuart & Kathryn Fields]

Note also the throttle up, throttle down in lieu of collective. No
Autorotations for that one.
Stu Fields

"Morgans" > wrote in message
...
>
> "cavelamb himself" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Oh golly, here we go again...
>>
>> 133 hp FOUR seater?
>
> That was the first one. The four seater is to be the second one, and will
> have a Jincheng motorbike engine. Probably less power, though.
>

[Gig 601XL Builder]

Stuart & Kathryn Fields wrote:
> Note also the throttle up, throttle down in lieu of collective. No
> Autorotations for that one.
> Stu Fields


Can we start a pool on when this Nigerian dies? Or is that in bad taste?

[Anthony W]

Gig 601XL Builder wrote:
> Stuart & Kathryn Fields wrote:
>> Note also the throttle up, throttle down in lieu of collective. No
>> Autorotations for that one.
>> Stu Fields
>
>
> Can we start a pool on when this Nigerian dies? Or is that in bad taste?

If it only counts if he buys it in that contraption he built, I'd buy
in. Who's holding the pot?

Tony

[Big John]

He got 7 feet which is a lot more than Moller has ever gotten.

Maybe Moller should hook up with him?.....:o)

Big John

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On Mon, 22 Oct 2007 22:43:53 -0700, Richard Riley
> wrote:

>On Mon, 22 Oct 2007 21:30:18 -0500, "Maxwell" >
>wrote:
>
>>
>>"Bill Chernoff" > wrote in message
>>news:2DcTi.118776$th2.18942@pd7urf3no...
>>> http://www.rotorwayownersgroup.com/
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Do you know if they welcome conversation on other models Bill?
>>
>>I would be nice to see a group dedicated to experimental rotorcraft.
>>
>>Max
>>
>
>Here's an interesting one...
>
>
>http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/nigeriahelicopteroffbeat;_ylt=AsIVmuqaLsBZ9aRS3syK SG0DW7oF
>
>by Aminu Abubakar Sun Oct 21, 6:43 PM ET
>
>KANO (AFP) - Mubarak Muhammad Abdullahi, a 24-year-old physics
>undergraduate in northern Nigeria, takes old cars and motorbikes to
>pieces in the back yard at home and builds his own helicopters from
>the parts.
>ADVERTISEMENT
>
>"It took me eight months to build this one," he said, sweat pouring
>from his forehead as he filled the radiator of the banana yellow
>four-seater which he now parks in the grounds of his university.
>
>The chopper, which has flown briefly on six occasions, is made from
>scrap aluminium that Abdullahi bought with the money he makes from
>computer and mobile phone repairs, and a donation from his father, who
>teaches at Kano's Bayero university.
>
>It is powered by a second-hand 133 horsepower Honda Civic car engine
>and kitted out with seats from an old Toyota saloon car. Its other
>parts come from the carcass of a Boeing 747 which crashed near Kano
>some years ago.
>
>For a four-seater it is a big aircraft, measuring twelve metres (39
>feet) long, seven metres high by five wide. It has never attained an
>altitude of more than seven feet.
>
>The cockpit consists of a push-button ignition, an accelerator lever
>between the seats which controls vertical thrust, a joystick that
>provides balance and bearing.
>
>A small screen on the dashboard connects to a camera underneath the
>helicopter for ground vision, a set of six buttons adjusts the
>screen's brightness while a small transmitter is used for
>communication.
>
>"You start it, allow it to run for a minute or two and you then shift
>the accelerator forward and the propeller on top begins to spin. The
>further you shift the accelerator the faster it goes and once you
>reach 300 rmp you press the joystick and it takes off," Abdullahi
>explained from the cockpit.
>
>He said he learned the rudiments of flying a helicopter from the
>Internet and first got the idea of building one from the films he
>watches on television.
>
>"I watched action movies a lot and I was fascinated by the way
>choppers fly. I decided it would be easier to build one than to build
>a car," he said pacing the premises of the security division of the
>university which he uses as hanger for his helicopter.
>
>He hoped -- and still does hope -- that the Nigerian government and
>his wealthy compatriots would turn to him and stop placing orders with
>western manufacturers.
>
>So far, however, government response to his chopper project has been
>underwhelming to say the least.
>
>Although some government officials got very excited when they saw him
>conduct a demonstration flight in neighbouring Katsina state,
>Nigeria's Civil Aviation Authority (NCAA) has so far shown no interest
>in his aircraft.
>
>"No one from the NCAA has come to see what I've done. We don't reward
>talent in this country," he lamented.
>
>Abdullahi does admit that his first helicopter lacks "some basic
>facilities like devices for measuring atmospheric pressure, altitude,
>humidity and the like."
>
>In a country with Nigeria's abysmal air safety record officials may be
>loath to gamble on one student's home-made helicopter.
>
>But Abdullahi, undeterred, has started work on a new flying machine,
>which, he says, "will be a radical improvement on the first one in
>terms of sophistication and aesthetics."
>
>Currently just a spindly metal frame in the back yard, the helicopter
>will be a two-seater and Abdullahi calculates it will be able to fly
>at an altitude of 15 feet for three hours at a stretch.
>
>It will be powered by a brand new motor -- albeit Taiwan-manufactured
>and destined for the Jincheng motorbike so common on the streets of
>Kano.

[Maxwell]

"Richard Riley" > wrote in message
...
>
> Here's an interesting one...
>
>
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/nigeriahelicopteroffbeat;_ylt=AsIVmuqaLsBZ9aRS3syK SG0DW7oF
>
> by Aminu Abubakar Sun Oct 21, 6:43 PM ET


Interesting fellow. It would be nice to have a home somewhere on the Usenet
experimental helos. I think there are probably a lot more projects out there
than anyone realizes, maybe even more so than scratch built airplanes.

[Stuart & Kathryn Fields]

Yes there are quite a few projects out there. Because of the magazine
connection I've heard of quite a few. Example: A design like the kids toy
that has a shaft and a rotor blade. Spin the shaft in your hands and
release and the thing takes off. A person approached me with his "Design"
that simulated the toy. The shaft and rotor was attached to a harness and
he had a pre spin arrangement to get the thing going and then he stepped
back and away he would go. All design and never tried. Others that believe
that they could take an ultra light helicopter and lift more wt. (275#
pilot) by merely increasing the power. Another who had never built a
helicopter was going to "Correct" the fallacies of Bell, Hiller, Enstrom
etc and buiild his own 5-6 seat helicopter that would do all the things the
other guys designs couldn't do. Yes there are a bunch of backyard cowboys
that just know that they can defeat most of the laws of physics.

Stu Fields
Experimental Helo magazine
"Maxwell" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Richard Riley" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> Here's an interesting one...
>>
>>
>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/nigeriahelicopteroffbeat;_ylt=AsIVmuqaLsBZ9aRS3syK SG0DW7oF
>>
>> by Aminu Abubakar Sun Oct 21, 6:43 PM ET
>
>
> Interesting fellow. It would be nice to have a home somewhere on the
> Usenet experimental helos. I think there are probably a lot more projects
> out there than anyone realizes, maybe even more so than scratch built
> airplanes.
>

[Steve Hix]

In article >,
"Stuart & Kathryn Fields" > wrote:

> Yes there are quite a few projects out there. Because of the magazine
> connection I've heard of quite a few. Example: A design like the kids toy
> that has a shaft and a rotor blade. Spin the shaft in your hands and
> release and the thing takes off. A person approached me with his "Design"
> that simulated the toy. The shaft and rotor was attached to a harness and
> he had a pre spin arrangement to get the thing going and then he stepped
> back and away he would go. All design and never tried. Others that believe
> that they could take an ultra light helicopter and lift more wt. (275#
> pilot) by merely increasing the power. Another who had never built a
> helicopter was going to "Correct" the fallacies of Bell, Hiller, Enstrom
> etc and buiild his own 5-6 seat helicopter that would do all the things the
> other guys designs couldn't do. Yes there are a bunch of backyard cowboys
> that just know that they can defeat most of the laws of physics.
>
> Stu Fields
> Experimental Helo magazine

Amazing how many of them are also applying to win the next Darwin Awards.

[Montblack]

("Anthony W" wrote)
> Who's holding the pot?


Define "pot".


Montblacklight

[Anthony W]

Montblack wrote:
> ("Anthony W" wrote)
>> Who's holding the pot?
>
>
> Define "pot".

The can or jar with all the money in it while we wait for the event
being betted to happen...

Tony

[Maxwell]

"Stuart & Kathryn Fields" > wrote in message
...
> Yes there are quite a few projects out there. Because of the magazine
> connection I've heard of quite a few. Example: A design like the kids
> toy that has a shaft and a rotor blade. Spin the shaft in your hands and
> release and the thing takes off. A person approached me with his "Design"
> that simulated the toy. The shaft and rotor was attached to a harness and
> he had a pre spin arrangement to get the thing going and then he stepped
> back and away he would go. All design and never tried. Others that
> believe that they could take an ultra light helicopter and lift more wt.
> (275# pilot) by merely increasing the power. Another who had never built
> a helicopter was going to "Correct" the fallacies of Bell, Hiller,
> Enstrom etc and buiild his own 5-6 seat helicopter that would do all the
> things the other guys designs couldn't do. Yes there are a bunch of
> backyard cowboys that just know that they can defeat most of the laws of
> physics.
>

I realize it's an area of interest the certainly has it's share if crack
pots, but I bet there are some guys it would be fun to follow as well. A lot
of folks used to post on RAH, but it was a constant clash, trying mix home
builders with professional and military rotorcraft pilots. They really need
their own group.