Blue Angel low pass over SF Bay at almost(?) mach 1

[Jim Logajan]

Here's a neat video someone took of a Blue Angel low pass (~25 ft?) over
San Fransisco bay during Fleet Week this year and the visible shock cone
seems to indicate it was traveling just under mach one:

http://jumpcut.com/view?id=C009AF72755211DC9F89000423CF037A

[Mortimer Schnerd, RN[_2_]]

Jim Logajan wrote:
> Here's a neat video someone took of a Blue Angel low pass (~25 ft?) over
> San Fransisco bay during Fleet Week this year and the visible shock cone
> seems to indicate it was traveling just under mach one:
>
> http://jumpcut.com/view?id=C009AF72755211DC9F89000423CF037A


It just doesn't have the same effect when I do that in a C-172. I don't know
what I'm doing wrong.



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com

[John Clear]

In article >,
Mortimer Schnerd, RN <mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com> wrote:
>Jim Logajan wrote:
>> Here's a neat video someone took of a Blue Angel low pass (~25 ft?) over
>> San Fransisco bay during Fleet Week this year and the visible shock cone
>> seems to indicate it was traveling just under mach one:
>>
>> http://jumpcut.com/view?id=C009AF72755211DC9F89000423CF037A
>
>
>It just doesn't have the same effect when I do that in a C-172. I don't know
>what I'm doing wrong.

Just strap two GE F404 engines to your C-172 and you'll be able to
do the same thing.

John
--
John Clear - http://www.clear-prop.org/

[john bates]

"Jim Logajan" > wrote in message
.. .
> Here's a neat video someone took of a Blue Angel low pass (~25 ft?) over
> San Fransisco bay during Fleet Week this year and the visible shock cone
> seems to indicate it was traveling just under mach one:
>
> http://jumpcut.com/view?id=C009AF72755211DC9F89000423CF037A

Great.
How about a car going faster to break the sound barrier?

[ManhattanMan]

john bates wrote:
> "Jim Logajan" > wrote in message
> .. .
>> Here's a neat video someone took of a Blue Angel low pass (~25 ft?)
>> over San Fransisco bay during Fleet Week this year and the visible
>> shock cone seems to indicate it was traveling just under mach one:
>>
>> http://jumpcut.com/view?id=C009AF72755211DC9F89000423CF037A
>
> Great.
> How about a car going faster to break the sound barrier?

How about a giant hammer to smash a car breaking the SOUND barrier??

[Matt Whiting]

John Clear wrote:
> In article >,
> Mortimer Schnerd, RN <mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com> wrote:
>> Jim Logajan wrote:
>>> Here's a neat video someone took of a Blue Angel low pass (~25 ft?) over
>>> San Fransisco bay during Fleet Week this year and the visible shock cone
>>> seems to indicate it was traveling just under mach one:
>>>
>>> http://jumpcut.com/view?id=C009AF72755211DC9F89000423CF037A
>>
>> It just doesn't have the same effect when I do that in a C-172. I don't know
>> what I'm doing wrong.
>
> Just strap two GE F404 engines to your C-172 and you'll be able to
> do the same thing.

Once!

Matt

[john bates]

"ManhattanMan" > wrote in message
...
> john bates wrote:
>> "Jim Logajan" > wrote in message
>> .. .
>>> Here's a neat video someone took of a Blue Angel low pass (~25 ft?)
>>> over San Fransisco bay during Fleet Week this year and the visible
>>> shock cone seems to indicate it was traveling just under mach one:
>>>
>>> http://jumpcut.com/view?id=C009AF72755211DC9F89000423CF037A
>>
>> Great.
>> How about a car going faster to break the sound barrier?
>
> How about a giant hammer to smash a car breaking the SOUND barrier??

That's daft - at least a car has broken the sound barrier. :)

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

Jim Logajan wrote:
> Here's a neat video someone took of a Blue Angel low pass (~25 ft?) over
> San Fransisco bay during Fleet Week this year and the visible shock cone
> seems to indicate it was traveling just under mach one:
>
> http://jumpcut.com/view?id=C009AF72755211DC9F89000423CF037A

Great pass. Quite frankly I'm surprised they got authorization to do it.


--
Dudley Henriques

[Kirk Ellis]

On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 22:14:46 -0000, Jim Logajan >
wrote:

>Here's a neat video someone took of a Blue Angel low pass (~25 ft?) over
>San Fransisco bay during Fleet Week this year and the visible shock cone
>seems to indicate it was traveling just under mach one:
>
>http://jumpcut.com/view?id=C009AF72755211DC9F89000423CF037A

Did you see the seagull on the left come 'round the corner looking
like it's trying to get the hell outta the way?



Kirk
PPL-ASEL

[Vaughn Simon]

"Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
...
> Great pass. Quite frankly I'm surprised they got authorization to do it.

I did not catch it this year, but the Blue Angels SF show is an amazing
thing. It will awe and thrill any aviation buff, and is well worth the trip to
experience. And quite frankly, I am surprised (and cautiously delighted) that
it still happens. It is the only place that I have seen an airshow happen right
over the heads of thousands of people. The crowd thins only a bit when you get
past the water's edge. There are so many boats on the bay, one could almost
walk from boat to boat.

There is a sort of mutual love affair between SF and the Navy. ...and yes,
like lovers everywhere, they have the occasional spat.

Vaughn

[[email protected]]

On Oct 26, 3:14 pm, Jim Logajan > wrote:
> Here's a neat video someone took of a Blue Angel low pass (~25 ft?) over
> San Fransisco bay during Fleet Week this year and the visible shock cone
> seems to indicate it was traveling just under mach one:
>
> http://jumpcut.com/view?id=C009AF72755211DC9F89000423CF037A

Pretty cool, I actually watched it live this year, a week before they
even had the A380 do a relatively low fly by over the city a couple of
times.
I often wonder if there is any risk of some kind of turbulence causing
the aircraft to suddenly lose altitude when its that low..

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

Vaughn Simon wrote:
> "Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Great pass. Quite frankly I'm surprised they got authorization to do it.
>
> I did not catch it this year, but the Blue Angels SF show is an amazing
> thing. It will awe and thrill any aviation buff, and is well worth the trip to
> experience. And quite frankly, I am surprised (and cautiously delighted) that
> it still happens. It is the only place that I have seen an airshow happen right
> over the heads of thousands of people. The crowd thins only a bit when you get
> past the water's edge. There are so many boats on the bay, one could almost
> walk from boat to boat.
>
> There is a sort of mutual love affair between SF and the Navy. ...and yes,
> like lovers everywhere, they have the occasional spat.
>
> Vaughn
>
>
Some of the best shows with the teams were during the early days when
out of restrictive airspace.
The Thunderbirds did one at Okinawa in the F100's that had Herman Salmon
flying the solo out over the ocean where he was "forgotten" by the
crowd; (all air force and AF civilian base personnel)
The Diamond sequenced with the Diamond Roll and exited the show line.
Fish timed the entry exactly right. He came in low from the ocean 90
degrees in back and behind the crowd. He timed it to go supersonic just
as he crossed over their heads at about 500 feet. It was like a cannon
went off. Nearly everybody hit the ground flat as he passed over them.
They were taken completely by surprise. Nobody knew he was coming!
To this day, they talk about Fish's super pass at Okinawa.
Can't do this stuff any more. I have to admit it's a lot safer not to do
it, but I'll tell you as well; there just ain't NOBODY ALIVE today who
was there that day who will tell you they would have rather not been
there as Fish "opened the show"
DH

--
Dudley Henriques

[Matt Whiting]

Dudley Henriques wrote:
> Vaughn Simon wrote:
>> "Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Great pass. Quite frankly I'm surprised they got authorization to do it.
>>
>> I did not catch it this year, but the Blue Angels SF show is an
>> amazing thing. It will awe and thrill any aviation buff, and is well
>> worth the trip to experience. And quite frankly, I am surprised (and
>> cautiously delighted) that it still happens. It is the only place
>> that I have seen an airshow happen right over the heads of thousands
>> of people. The crowd thins only a bit when you get past the water's
>> edge. There are so many boats on the bay, one could almost walk from
>> boat to boat.
>>
>> There is a sort of mutual love affair between SF and the Navy.
>> ...and yes, like lovers everywhere, they have the occasional spat.
>>
>> Vaughn
>>
> Some of the best shows with the teams were during the early days when
> out of restrictive airspace.
> The Thunderbirds did one at Okinawa in the F100's that had Herman Salmon
> flying the solo out over the ocean where he was "forgotten" by the
> crowd; (all air force and AF civilian base personnel)
> The Diamond sequenced with the Diamond Roll and exited the show line.
> Fish timed the entry exactly right. He came in low from the ocean 90
> degrees in back and behind the crowd. He timed it to go supersonic just
> as he crossed over their heads at about 500 feet. It was like a cannon
> went off. Nearly everybody hit the ground flat as he passed over them.
> They were taken completely by surprise. Nobody knew he was coming!
> To this day, they talk about Fish's super pass at Okinawa.
> Can't do this stuff any more. I have to admit it's a lot safer not to do
> it, but I'll tell you as well; there just ain't NOBODY ALIVE today who
> was there that day who will tell you they would have rather not been
> there as Fish "opened the show"
> DH
>

The T-birds did something similar at SYR many moons ago. My dad was in
the 174th and the T-birds did a show up there for the ANG unit and
invited families of the Guardsmen to attend on the base side of the
airport. We sat on the tarmac in front of one of the large hangars.
The solo pilot snuck away and then came across the crowd from behind and
right over the hangar so you couldn't see him until he was over your
head. Of course he couldn't go supersonic, but even subsonic in full
burner the noise was sudden and deafening as was the vibration that made
your lungs reverberate. Very cool!

Matt

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

Matt Whiting wrote:
> Dudley Henriques wrote:
>> Vaughn Simon wrote:
>>> "Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> Great pass. Quite frankly I'm surprised they got authorization to do
>>>> it.
>>>
>>> I did not catch it this year, but the Blue Angels SF show is an
>>> amazing thing. It will awe and thrill any aviation buff, and is well
>>> worth the trip to experience. And quite frankly, I am surprised (and
>>> cautiously delighted) that it still happens. It is the only place
>>> that I have seen an airshow happen right over the heads of thousands
>>> of people. The crowd thins only a bit when you get past the water's
>>> edge. There are so many boats on the bay, one could almost walk from
>>> boat to boat.
>>>
>>> There is a sort of mutual love affair between SF and the Navy.
>>> ...and yes, like lovers everywhere, they have the occasional spat.
>>>
>>> Vaughn
>>>
>> Some of the best shows with the teams were during the early days when
>> out of restrictive airspace.
>> The Thunderbirds did one at Okinawa in the F100's that had Herman
>> Salmon flying the solo out over the ocean where he was "forgotten" by
>> the crowd; (all air force and AF civilian base personnel)
>> The Diamond sequenced with the Diamond Roll and exited the show line.
>> Fish timed the entry exactly right. He came in low from the ocean 90
>> degrees in back and behind the crowd. He timed it to go supersonic
>> just as he crossed over their heads at about 500 feet. It was like a
>> cannon went off. Nearly everybody hit the ground flat as he passed
>> over them. They were taken completely by surprise. Nobody knew he was
>> coming!
>> To this day, they talk about Fish's super pass at Okinawa.
>> Can't do this stuff any more. I have to admit it's a lot safer not to
>> do it, but I'll tell you as well; there just ain't NOBODY ALIVE today
>> who was there that day who will tell you they would have rather not
>> been there as Fish "opened the show"
>> DH
>>
>
> The T-birds did something similar at SYR many moons ago. My dad was in
> the 174th and the T-birds did a show up there for the ANG unit and
> invited families of the Guardsmen to attend on the base side of the
> airport. We sat on the tarmac in front of one of the large hangars. The
> solo pilot snuck away and then came across the crowd from behind and
> right over the hangar so you couldn't see him until he was over your
> head. Of course he couldn't go supersonic, but even subsonic in full
> burner the noise was sudden and deafening as was the vibration that made
> your lungs reverberate. Very cool!
>
> Matt

Today things are tightened up a bit safety wise. The Thunderbirds
operate under a Category I show line which qualifies for them as having
a cruise speed parameter of 245 kts or better. A Cat I line is 1500 feet
from all crowd lines.
You wouldn't BELIEVE the size of the regulation the Thunderbirds operate
under in today's world. #7 is the front man for the team and correlates
between the team and the FAA for all demonstrations. Between the Air
Force requirements that have to be met for a TB show site and the FAA,
ole #7 could use a few extra arms and legs to get it all done ahead of
the show being performed.
7 is one busy camper!!!

--
Dudley Henriques

[muff528]

"Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
...
> Vaughn Simon wrote:
>> "Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Great pass. Quite frankly I'm surprised they got authorization to do it.
>>
>> I did not catch it this year, but the Blue Angels SF show is an
>> amazing thing. It will awe and thrill any aviation buff, and is well
>> worth the trip to experience. And quite frankly, I am surprised (and
>> cautiously delighted) that it still happens. It is the only place that I
>> have seen an airshow happen right over the heads of thousands of people.
>> The crowd thins only a bit when you get past the water's edge. There are
>> so many boats on the bay, one could almost walk from boat to boat.
>>
>> There is a sort of mutual love affair between SF and the Navy.
>> ...and yes, like lovers everywhere, they have the occasional spat.
>>
>> Vaughn
> Some of the best shows with the teams were during the early days when out
> of restrictive airspace.
> The Thunderbirds did one at Okinawa in the F100's that had Herman Salmon
> flying the solo out over the ocean where he was "forgotten" by the crowd;
> (all air force and AF civilian base personnel)
> The Diamond sequenced with the Diamond Roll and exited the show line. Fish
> timed the entry exactly right. He came in low from the ocean 90 degrees in
> back and behind the crowd. He timed it to go supersonic just as he crossed
> over their heads at about 500 feet. It was like a cannon went off. Nearly
> everybody hit the ground flat as he passed over them. They were taken
> completely by surprise. Nobody knew he was coming!
> To this day, they talk about Fish's super pass at Okinawa.
> Can't do this stuff any more. I have to admit it's a lot safer not to do
> it, but I'll tell you as well; there just ain't NOBODY ALIVE today who was
> there that day who will tell you they would have rather not been there as
> Fish "opened the show"
> DH
>
> --
> Dudley Henriques


I was at this show in 1956 at Bartow Air Base, Florida. Not quite 6 years
old but I remember it very well.
I think this was F-100C. Also a very low surprise pass that no one expected
and quite a shock to all who were there.

http://home1.gte.net/res0f19c/pics/Mach1F100.jpg

BS, TP

[Morgans[_2_]]

"Mortimer Schnerd, RN" wrote
>
> It just doesn't have the same effect when I do that in a C-172. I don't
> know what I'm doing wrong.

You just have to play the tape that was made (of your low pass in the 172)
in fast forward, rather than regular playback speed. I think. <g>

Let us know how it turns out, OK? ;-))
--
Jim in NC

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

muff528 wrote:
> "Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Vaughn Simon wrote:
>>> "Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> Great pass. Quite frankly I'm surprised they got authorization to do it.
>>> I did not catch it this year, but the Blue Angels SF show is an
>>> amazing thing. It will awe and thrill any aviation buff, and is well
>>> worth the trip to experience. And quite frankly, I am surprised (and
>>> cautiously delighted) that it still happens. It is the only place that I
>>> have seen an airshow happen right over the heads of thousands of people.
>>> The crowd thins only a bit when you get past the water's edge. There are
>>> so many boats on the bay, one could almost walk from boat to boat.
>>>
>>> There is a sort of mutual love affair between SF and the Navy.
>>> ...and yes, like lovers everywhere, they have the occasional spat.
>>>
>>> Vaughn
>> Some of the best shows with the teams were during the early days when out
>> of restrictive airspace.
>> The Thunderbirds did one at Okinawa in the F100's that had Herman Salmon
>> flying the solo out over the ocean where he was "forgotten" by the crowd;
>> (all air force and AF civilian base personnel)
>> The Diamond sequenced with the Diamond Roll and exited the show line. Fish
>> timed the entry exactly right. He came in low from the ocean 90 degrees in
>> back and behind the crowd. He timed it to go supersonic just as he crossed
>> over their heads at about 500 feet. It was like a cannon went off. Nearly
>> everybody hit the ground flat as he passed over them. They were taken
>> completely by surprise. Nobody knew he was coming!
>> To this day, they talk about Fish's super pass at Okinawa.
>> Can't do this stuff any more. I have to admit it's a lot safer not to do
>> it, but I'll tell you as well; there just ain't NOBODY ALIVE today who was
>> there that day who will tell you they would have rather not been there as
>> Fish "opened the show"
>> DH
>>
>> --
>> Dudley Henriques
>
>
> I was at this show in 1956 at Bartow Air Base, Florida. Not quite 6 years
> old but I remember it very well.
> I think this was F-100C. Also a very low surprise pass that no one expected
> and quite a shock to all who were there.
>
> http://home1.gte.net/res0f19c/pics/Mach1F100.jpg
>
> BS, TP
>
>
That would be Bill Pogue's airplane. Bill flew the slot and solo in the
100 from 55 through 57.
Bill flew on Jax Broughton's (Thud Ridge) F100 team. Jax is still alive
and well the last I heard. He recovered from a heart attack last year
and is out in California recovering. We shared a few emails as of early
this year.

--
Dudley Henriques

[Dave[_5_]]

Myself and family experienced the same thing no more than 10 years ago
at Point Mugu, CA (yes, it was the T-Birds performing at a Navy Base).
Scared hell out of my son. I've noticed that the Blue Angels/T-Birds
demonstrations are/were (haven't seen one lately) significantly more
exciting when performed in military airspace.

David Johnson

[muff528]

>>
> That would be Bill Pogue's airplane. Bill flew the slot and solo in the
> 100 from 55 through 57.

Yes, I've since learned that he later became a Skylab astronaut.

> Bill flew on Jax Broughton's (Thud Ridge) F100 team. Jax is still alive
> and well the last I heard. He recovered from a heart attack last year and
> is out in California recovering. We shared a few emails as of early this
> year.

I've recently had the honor and pleasure of meeting a former F-105 pilot who
shared a few stories with me. He also gave me a very interesting DVD which
basically was a documentary of the Thud during VietNam. If I remember
correctly
his name was Morgan. I'm sure you and he knew some of the same people.

Tony P.

[muff528]

"Dave" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> Myself and family experienced the same thing no more than 10 years ago
> at Point Mugu, CA (yes, it was the T-Birds performing at a Navy Base).
> Scared hell out of my son. I've noticed that the Blue Angels/T-Birds
> demonstrations are/were (haven't seen one lately) significantly more
> exciting when performed in military airspace.
>
> David Johnson
>
>

I've attended several shows at MacDill AFB since the early 90's and I
believe I've seen the Blue Angels perform there more than the Thunderbirds.
One or the other is there every year. BTW - Fat Albert is one of my favorite
performers.

Tony P.

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

muff528 wrote:
>> That would be Bill Pogue's airplane. Bill flew the slot and solo in the
>> 100 from 55 through 57.
>
> Yes, I've since learned that he later became a Skylab astronaut.
>
>> Bill flew on Jax Broughton's (Thud Ridge) F100 team. Jax is still alive
>> and well the last I heard. He recovered from a heart attack last year and
>> is out in California recovering. We shared a few emails as of early this
>> year.
>
> I've recently had the honor and pleasure of meeting a former F-105 pilot who
> shared a few stories with me. He also gave me a very interesting DVD which
> basically was a documentary of the Thud during VietNam. If I remember
> correctly
> his name was Morgan. I'm sure you and he knew some of the same people.
>
> Tony P.
>
>
Could be at that. :-))

--
Dudley Henriques

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

Richard Riley wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 20:27:55 -0400, Dudley Henriques
> > wrote:
>
>
>> Some of the best shows with the teams were during the early days when
>> out of restrictive airspace.
>> The Thunderbirds did one at Okinawa in the F100's that had Herman Salmon
>> flying the solo out over the ocean where he was "forgotten" by the
>> crowd; (all air force and AF civilian base personnel)
>> The Diamond sequenced with the Diamond Roll and exited the show line.
>> Fish timed the entry exactly right. He came in low from the ocean 90
>> degrees in back and behind the crowd. He timed it to go supersonic just
>> as he crossed over their heads at about 500 feet. It was like a cannon
>> went off. Nearly everybody hit the ground flat as he passed over them.
>> They were taken completely by surprise. Nobody knew he was coming!
>> To this day, they talk about Fish's super pass at Okinawa.
>> Can't do this stuff any more. I have to admit it's a lot safer not to do
>> it, but I'll tell you as well; there just ain't NOBODY ALIVE today who
>> was there that day who will tell you they would have rather not been
>> there as Fish "opened the show"
>> DH
>
> One of my earliest memories is of an airshow at Pt. Mugu - it must
> have been 63 or 64 - with an F-4 booming the crowd.
>
> I surely wish FAA had a mechanism to allow a temporary mach corridor
> to be opened at some airshows that are well away from built up areas.
> I know it would take an act of God, but it would be terrific.

63 was Hoot Gibson's team. They did a big European tour that year. If
you got a boom at Mugu, that would have probably been Bob Moore....wild
man!!!

--
Dudley Henriques

[Watson[_2_]]

It was 1989 or 1991 and I was at Reno Air Races. An Air Force Combat Demo
F16 broke the sound barrier right in front of the Grandstand under a
cloudless blue sky.

Sandy Sanderson was MC and did not miss a beat, "Weather man didn't say
anything about rain today!"

Watson

[Big John]

War Story

I had Current Ops in USAFSO (United States Air Force Southern Command)
in Canal Zone and there was one of the revolutions going on with
fighting in Panama City that threatened to spill over into the Canal
Zone.

We had a detachment of Duces (F-102's) deployed at Howard AFB at the
time, for a Air Defense mission, and I called the Det Commander and
told him to launch a pair of Duces and make a supersonic run at
minimum altitude down main street of Panama City, where a lot of the
fighting was going on. He launched and made the run and two things
happened.

1. The General chewed my ass out for breaking all the windows on the
main street :o(

2. The fighting stopped :o)


Sometimes you can lose and win at the same time :o)


Big John

************************************************** ***************8

On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 22:14:46 -0000, Jim Logajan >
wrote:

>Here's a neat video someone took of a Blue Angel low pass (~25 ft?) over
>San Fransisco bay during Fleet Week this year and the visible shock cone
>seems to indicate it was traveling just under mach one:
>
>http://jumpcut.com/view?id=C009AF72755211DC9F89000423CF037A

[Kirk Ellis]

On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 20:27:55 -0400, Dudley Henriques
> wrote:


>Some of the best shows with the teams were during the early days when
>out of restrictive airspace.
>The Thunderbirds did one at Okinawa in the F100's that had Herman Salmon
>flying the solo out over the ocean where he was "forgotten" by the
>crowd; (all air force and AF civilian base personnel)
>The Diamond sequenced with the Diamond Roll and exited the show line.
>Fish timed the entry exactly right. He came in low from the ocean 90
>degrees in back and behind the crowd. He timed it to go supersonic just
>as he crossed over their heads at about 500 feet. It was like a cannon
>went off. Nearly everybody hit the ground flat as he passed over them.
>They were taken completely by surprise. Nobody knew he was coming!
>To this day, they talk about Fish's super pass at Okinawa.
>Can't do this stuff any more. I have to admit it's a lot safer not to do
>it, but I'll tell you as well; there just ain't NOBODY ALIVE today who
>was there that day who will tell you they would have rather not been
>there as Fish "opened the show"
>DH

At the 2006 Jax NAS airshow I went to, Dale Snodgrass did a low pass
in his F-86 over the river headed back towards the airfield. While not
nearly as fast as a one of the Blues solo, it was an amazing sight
nontheless to see him a mere 25 - 30 feet off the water, below the
masts of many of the sailboats and looking like he was having a heck
of a good time. I did not record this, but my boat is in the
background a little closer to the flyby than where this video was
taken. It was definitely one of the highlights for a lot of people.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AYSUCWjRrc



Kirk
PPL-ASEL

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

Richard Riley wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 23:41:32 -0400, Dudley Henriques
> > wrote:
>
>> 63 was Hoot Gibson's team. They did a big European tour that year. If
>> you got a boom at Mugu, that would have probably been Bob Moore....wild
>> man!!!
>
> I can't even remember if it was an Angels airplane or a Navy solo act
> - I was 3 or 4 at the time. I don't remember much from then - but
> that smoky, mean looking airplane left an impression!

Well, big and smokey equals F4 for sure, and it could have been either
team at the time. :-)

--
Dudley Henriques

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

Kirk Ellis wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 20:27:55 -0400, Dudley Henriques
> > wrote:
>
>
>> Some of the best shows with the teams were during the early days when
>> out of restrictive airspace.
>> The Thunderbirds did one at Okinawa in the F100's that had Herman Salmon
>> flying the solo out over the ocean where he was "forgotten" by the
>> crowd; (all air force and AF civilian base personnel)
>> The Diamond sequenced with the Diamond Roll and exited the show line.
>> Fish timed the entry exactly right. He came in low from the ocean 90
>> degrees in back and behind the crowd. He timed it to go supersonic just
>> as he crossed over their heads at about 500 feet. It was like a cannon
>> went off. Nearly everybody hit the ground flat as he passed over them.
>> They were taken completely by surprise. Nobody knew he was coming!
>> To this day, they talk about Fish's super pass at Okinawa.
>> Can't do this stuff any more. I have to admit it's a lot safer not to do
>> it, but I'll tell you as well; there just ain't NOBODY ALIVE today who
>> was there that day who will tell you they would have rather not been
>> there as Fish "opened the show"
>> DH
>
> At the 2006 Jax NAS airshow I went to, Dale Snodgrass did a low pass
> in his F-86 over the river headed back towards the airfield. While not
> nearly as fast as a one of the Blues solo, it was an amazing sight
> nontheless to see him a mere 25 - 30 feet off the water, below the
> masts of many of the sailboats and looking like he was having a heck
> of a good time. I did not record this, but my boat is in the
> background a little closer to the flyby than where this video was
> taken. It was definitely one of the highlights for a lot of people.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AYSUCWjRrc
>
>
>
> Kirk
> PPL-ASEL
Snodgrass started building a rep for low buzz jobs while he was in the
Navy. He owns one done in the Tomcat that will be remembered for a long
time by the Navy brass :-)
His work on the show circuit with various aircraft is indeed spectacular
and he seems to really enjoy the F86.

--
Dudley Henriques

[Jay Honeck]

> Sometimes you can lose and win at the same time :o)

Ha! Great story, Big John!
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Blueskies]

"Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message ...
>>
> Some of the best shows with the teams were during the early days when out of restrictive airspace.
>
> --
> Dudley Henriques

I remember seeing the Angels when I was a kid - they were flying the F-4s...This was before I sort of knew what to
expect, and when solo came in from behind the crowd, I saw a flash of blue right overhead and moments later, the blast
and roar. Low and very fast. I remember it well! Later that same weekend my dad took us to the Ohio State stadium (go
Bucks!) to see the game. The blues did a flyby at half time, and I swear they dove through the open end of the
horseshoe. That was loud! Nothing like the wimpy 1000' agl 'flybys' of today....

[Kirk Ellis]

On Sat, 27 Oct 2007 07:02:22 -0400, Dudley Henriques
> wrote:


>Snodgrass started building a rep for low buzz jobs while he was in the
>Navy. He owns one done in the Tomcat that will be remembered for a long
>time by the Navy brass :-)
>His work on the show circuit with various aircraft is indeed spectacular
>and he seems to really enjoy the F86.

Until today, I never knew "snort" was the one piloting the aircraft
in this photo that I've seen dozens of times. Of course the caption is
incorrect. Photo was taken from aboard the USS America. Not bad for a
Navy flyer....;-) But I think the pilot was really Maverick...



Kirk
PPL-ASEL

[Kirk Ellis]

SHOOT
I forgot to add the link to the previous...

http://www.navsource.org/archives/02/026658.jpg



Kirk
PPL-ASEL

[Maxwell]

"Jim Logajan" > wrote in message
.. .
> Here's a neat video someone took of a Blue Angel low pass (~25 ft?) over
> San Fransisco bay during Fleet Week this year and the visible shock cone
> seems to indicate it was traveling just under mach one:
>
> http://jumpcut.com/view?id=C009AF72755211DC9F89000423CF037A

I wonder if they have added a very low, high speed pass to their routine?
They did the same think in OKC last summer, right down the near side of the
flight line at about 100'. Very, very cool. You could see vapor off every
control surface, with every little correction. Not quite the same effect it
had over the water, but a crowd pleaser just as well.

I'll probably get to see their show again tomorrow at MKO. It will be
interesting to see if they do it again.

[DaveB]

On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 23:54:14 GMT, "Vaughn Simon"
> wrote:

>
>"Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
...
>> Great pass. Quite frankly I'm surprised they got authorization to do it.
>
> I did not catch it this year, but the Blue Angels SF show is an amazing
>thing. It will awe and thrill any aviation buff, and is well worth the trip to
>experience. And quite frankly, I am surprised (and cautiously delighted) that
>it still happens. It is the only place that I have seen an airshow happen right
>over the heads of thousands of people. The crowd thins only a bit when you get
>past the water's edge. There are so many boats on the bay, one could almost
>walk from boat to boat.
>
> There is a sort of mutual love affair between SF and the Navy. ...and yes,
>like lovers everywhere, they have the occasional spat.
>
>Vaughn
>
>
The Board of Supervisors' Government Audit and Oversight Committee is
voting today on a nonbinding resolution introduced by Supervisor Chris
Daly that would call on San Francisco’s congressional representatives
to “use all resources at their disposal to bring a permanent halt to
unnecessary flyovers by military aircraft.”

Screw SF
Daveb

[Orval Fairbairn]

In article >, (DaveB) wrote:

> On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 23:54:14 GMT, "Vaughn Simon"
> > wrote:
>
> >
> >"Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> Great pass. Quite frankly I'm surprised they got authorization to do it.
> >
> > I did not catch it this year, but the Blue Angels SF show is an amazing
> >thing. It will awe and thrill any aviation buff, and is well worth the trip
> >to
> >experience. And quite frankly, I am surprised (and cautiously delighted)
> >that
> >it still happens. It is the only place that I have seen an airshow happen
> >right
> >over the heads of thousands of people. The crowd thins only a bit when you
> >get
> >past the water's edge. There are so many boats on the bay, one could almost
> >walk from boat to boat.
> >
> > There is a sort of mutual love affair between SF and the Navy. ...and
> > yes,
> >like lovers everywhere, they have the occasional spat.
> >
> >Vaughn
> >
> >
> The Board of Supervisors' Government Audit and Oversight Committee is
> voting today on a nonbinding resolution introduced by Supervisor Chris
> Daly that would call on San Francisco’s congressional representatives
> to “use all resources at their disposal to bring a permanent halt to
> unnecessary flyovers by military aircraft.”
>
> Screw SF
> Daveb

Amen, Dave! Pervasive weenie thought was one of the reasons that Linda
and I escaped from the People's Republik of Kalifornia 8 years ago. The
San Francisco malaise was rampant even then and, by the looks of things,
has become endemic.

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

Orval Fairbairn wrote:
> In article >, (DaveB) wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 23:54:14 GMT, "Vaughn Simon"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> "Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> Great pass. Quite frankly I'm surprised they got authorization to do it.
>>> I did not catch it this year, but the Blue Angels SF show is an amazing
>>> thing. It will awe and thrill any aviation buff, and is well worth the trip
>>> to
>>> experience. And quite frankly, I am surprised (and cautiously delighted)
>>> that
>>> it still happens. It is the only place that I have seen an airshow happen
>>> right
>>> over the heads of thousands of people. The crowd thins only a bit when you
>>> get
>>> past the water's edge. There are so many boats on the bay, one could almost
>>> walk from boat to boat.
>>>
>>> There is a sort of mutual love affair between SF and the Navy. ...and
>>> yes,
>>> like lovers everywhere, they have the occasional spat.
>>>
>>> Vaughn
>>>
>>>
>> The Board of Supervisors' Government Audit and Oversight Committee is
>> voting today on a nonbinding resolution introduced by Supervisor Chris
>> Daly that would call on San Francisco’s congressional representatives
>> to “use all resources at their disposal to bring a permanent halt to
>> unnecessary flyovers by military aircraft.”
>>
>> Screw SF
>> Daveb
>
> Amen, Dave! Pervasive weenie thought was one of the reasons that Linda
> and I escaped from the People's Republik of Kalifornia 8 years ago. The
> San Francisco malaise was rampant even then and, by the looks of things,
> has become endemic.

Just talked with an associate of mine yesterday who informed me that in
SF they actually have an ongoing focus group out there operating within
the city government, studying the feasibility of a secession from the
United States.
GOD, I hope they find a way to do it!!! I honestly believe at this point
in time the United States collectively might actually consider an
argument for allowing them to do it without ramification.

--
Dudley Henriques

[Matt Whiting]

Dudley Henriques wrote:
> Orval Fairbairn wrote:
>> In article >, (DaveB) wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 23:54:14 GMT, "Vaughn Simon"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> Great pass. Quite frankly I'm surprised they got authorization to
>>>>> do it.
>>>> I did not catch it this year, but the Blue Angels SF show is an
>>>> amazing thing. It will awe and thrill any aviation buff, and is
>>>> well worth the trip to experience. And quite frankly, I am
>>>> surprised (and cautiously delighted) that it still happens. It is
>>>> the only place that I have seen an airshow happen right over the
>>>> heads of thousands of people. The crowd thins only a bit when you
>>>> get past the water's edge. There are so many boats on the bay, one
>>>> could almost walk from boat to boat.
>>>>
>>>> There is a sort of mutual love affair between SF and the Navy.
>>>> ...and yes, like lovers everywhere, they have the occasional spat.
>>>>
>>>> Vaughn
>>>>
>>> The Board of Supervisors' Government Audit and Oversight Committee is
>>> voting today on a nonbinding resolution introduced by Supervisor Chris
>>> Daly that would call on San Francisco’s congressional representatives
>>> to “use all resources at their disposal to bring a permanent halt to
>>> unnecessary flyovers by military aircraft.”
>>>
>>> Screw SF
>>> Daveb
>>
>> Amen, Dave! Pervasive weenie thought was one of the reasons that Linda
>> and I escaped from the People's Republik of Kalifornia 8 years ago.
>> The San Francisco malaise was rampant even then and, by the looks of
>> things, has become endemic.
>
> Just talked with an associate of mine yesterday who informed me that in
> SF they actually have an ongoing focus group out there operating within
> the city government, studying the feasibility of a secession from the
> United States.
> GOD, I hope they find a way to do it!!! I honestly believe at this point
> in time the United States collectively might actually consider an
> argument for allowing them to do it without ramification.
>

As long as they take the rest of CA with them, I'm all for it! :-)

Matt

[Blueskies]

"DaveB" wrote in message ...
>
> On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 23:54:14 GMT, "Vaughn Simon"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>"Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
...
>>> Great pass. Quite frankly I'm surprised they got authorization to do it.
>>
>> I did not catch it this year, but the Blue Angels SF show is an amazing
>>thing. It will awe and thrill any aviation buff, and is well worth the trip to
>>experience. And quite frankly, I am surprised (and cautiously delighted) that
>>it still happens. It is the only place that I have seen an airshow happen right
>>over the heads of thousands of people. The crowd thins only a bit when you get
>>past the water's edge. There are so many boats on the bay, one could almost
>>walk from boat to boat.
>>
>> There is a sort of mutual love affair between SF and the Navy. ...and yes,
>>like lovers everywhere, they have the occasional spat.
>>
>>Vaughn
>>
>>
> The Board of Supervisors' Government Audit and Oversight Committee is
> voting today on a nonbinding resolution introduced by Supervisor Chris
> Daly that would call on San Francisco's congressional representatives
> to "use all resources at their disposal to bring a permanent halt to
> unnecessary flyovers by military aircraft."
>
> Screw SF
> Daveb

That would be fine...The Angles flying over is an absolute necessity...

[Blueskies]

"DaveB" wrote in message ...
>
> On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 23:54:14 GMT, "Vaughn Simon"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>"Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
...
>>> Great pass. Quite frankly I'm surprised they got authorization to do it.
>>
>> I did not catch it this year, but the Blue Angels SF show is an amazing
>>thing. It will awe and thrill any aviation buff, and is well worth the trip to
>>experience. And quite frankly, I am surprised (and cautiously delighted) that
>>it still happens. It is the only place that I have seen an airshow happen right
>>over the heads of thousands of people. The crowd thins only a bit when you get
>>past the water's edge. There are so many boats on the bay, one could almost
>>walk from boat to boat.
>>
>> There is a sort of mutual love affair between SF and the Navy. ...and yes,
>>like lovers everywhere, they have the occasional spat.
>>
>>Vaughn
>>
>>
> The Board of Supervisors' Government Audit and Oversight Committee is
> voting today on a nonbinding resolution introduced by Supervisor Chris
> Daly that would call on San Francisco's congressional representatives
> to "use all resources at their disposal to bring a permanent halt to
> unnecessary flyovers by military aircraft."
>
> Screw SF
> Daveb

That would be fine...The Angles flying over is an absolute necessity...

[Blueskies]

"Orval Fairbairn" > wrote in message
...
>
> Amen, Dave! Pervasive weenie thought was one of the reasons that Linda
> and I escaped from the People's Republik of Kalifornia 8 years ago. The
> San Francisco malaise was rampant even then and, by the looks of things,
> has become endemic.

I heard someone once say that the bad stuff seems to start in CA and after a few years it crosses the country. Seems to
be a lot of truth to it...

[[email protected]]

On Oct 27, 10:28 am, "Maxwell" > wrote:
> "Jim Logajan" > wrote in message
>
> .. .
>
> > Here's a neat video someone took of a Blue Angel low pass (~25 ft?) over
> > San Fransisco bay during Fleet Week this year and the visible shock cone
> > seems to indicate it was traveling just under mach one:
>
> >http://jumpcut.com/view?id=C009AF72755211DC9F89000423CF037A
>
> I wonder if they have added a very low, high speed pass to their routine?
> They did the same think in OKC last summer, right down the near side of the
> flight line at about 100'. Very, very cool. You could see vapor off every
> control surface, with every little correction. Not quite the same effect it
> had over the water, but a crowd pleaser just as well.
>
> I'll probably get to see their show again tomorrow at MKO. It will be
> interesting to see if they do it again.


I don't think the low-level high speed pass in anything new. The
Blues have been doing a "Sneak Attack" at the Cleveland airshow for as
long as I can remember. While the crowd is reminded to keep their
eyes on the formation (planes 1-4) which is just leaving show center,
high overhead, Blue's #5 & #6 make low-level high speed passes almost
simultaneously - one from the left down the show line/runway and one
(the REAL sneak attack) from directly behind the crowd toward show
center. Always the highlight of the Blue's show IMHO (I do favor the
loud/fast routine from the solos over the precision formation flying
of planes #1-4).

[Maxwell]

> wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> I don't think the low-level high speed pass in anything new. The
> Blues have been doing a "Sneak Attack" at the Cleveland airshow for as
> long as I can remember. While the crowd is reminded to keep their
> eyes on the formation (planes 1-4) which is just leaving show center,
> high overhead, Blue's #5 & #6 make low-level high speed passes almost
> simultaneously - one from the left down the show line/runway and one
> (the REAL sneak attack) from directly behind the crowd toward show
> center. Always the highlight of the Blue's show IMHO (I do favor the
> loud/fast routine from the solos over the precision formation flying
> of planes #1-4).
>

No, they did the sneak attack nonsense also. No, this guy passed from left
to right, about 100' high and very near the crowd line. Everyone actually
got to see the pass. It was very cool, and clearly got the strongest
reaction from the crowd. They should actually do several.

Apparently not something the plan to continue though. At least they didn't
repeat it Sunday at MKO.

[muff528]

"muff528" > wrote in message
news:ISwUi.72$oy4.55@trnddc08...
>
> "Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Vaughn Simon wrote:
>>> "Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> Great pass. Quite frankly I'm surprised they got authorization to do
>>>> it.
>>>
>>> I did not catch it this year, but the Blue Angels SF show is an
>>> amazing thing. It will awe and thrill any aviation buff, and is well
>>> worth the trip to experience. And quite frankly, I am surprised (and
>>> cautiously delighted) that it still happens. It is the only place that
>>> I have seen an airshow happen right over the heads of thousands of
>>> people. The crowd thins only a bit when you get past the water's edge.
>>> There are so many boats on the bay, one could almost walk from boat to
>>> boat.
>>>
>>> There is a sort of mutual love affair between SF and the Navy.
>>> ...and yes, like lovers everywhere, they have the occasional spat.
>>>
>>> Vaughn
>> Some of the best shows with the teams were during the early days when out
>> of restrictive airspace.
>> The Thunderbirds did one at Okinawa in the F100's that had Herman Salmon
>> flying the solo out over the ocean where he was "forgotten" by the crowd;
>> (all air force and AF civilian base personnel)
>> The Diamond sequenced with the Diamond Roll and exited the show line.
>> Fish timed the entry exactly right. He came in low from the ocean 90
>> degrees in back and behind the crowd. He timed it to go supersonic just
>> as he crossed over their heads at about 500 feet. It was like a cannon
>> went off. Nearly everybody hit the ground flat as he passed over them.
>> They were taken completely by surprise. Nobody knew he was coming!
>> To this day, they talk about Fish's super pass at Okinawa.
>> Can't do this stuff any more. I have to admit it's a lot safer not to do
>> it, but I'll tell you as well; there just ain't NOBODY ALIVE today who
>> was there that day who will tell you they would have rather not been
>> there as Fish "opened the show"
>> DH
>>
>> --
>> Dudley Henriques
>
>
> I was at this show in 1956 at Bartow Air Base, Florida. Not quite 6 years
> old but I remember it very well.
> I think this was F-100C. Also a very low surprise pass that no one
> expected and quite a shock to all who were there.
>
> http://home1.gte.net/res0f19c/pics/Mach1F100.jpg
>
> BS, TP
>

Before this thread grows cold, I wonder if anyone here can confirm whether
or not this actually was the first time a shockwave from a supersonic a/c
had been photographed as the writer of the article believed. I'm sure that
research aircraft in supersonic flight were probably very closely observed
and I would have thought that this phenom would have been seen and photo'd
many times by 1956.

Tony P.

[Morgans[_2_]]

"muff528" > wrote

> Before this thread grows cold, I wonder if anyone here can confirm whether
> or not this actually was the first time a shockwave from a supersonic a/c
> had been photographed as the writer of the article believed. I'm sure that
> research aircraft in supersonic flight were probably very closely observed
> and I would have thought that this phenom would have been seen and photo'd
> many times by 1956.

Sorry, no confirmation here, but a couple thoughts.

As you probably know, the atmospheric conditions needed to form a visible
shock wave are pretty narrow.

Still, as you say, they had been observed many times by military on test
missions. Perhaps this was the first time a picture of this nature had been
taken by civilians, and published for all to see. You have to remember the
secrecy in the cold war era.
--
Jim in NC

[muff528]

"Morgans" > wrote in message
...
>
> "muff528" > wrote
>
>> Before this thread grows cold, I wonder if anyone here can confirm
>> whether or not this actually was the first time a shockwave from a
>> supersonic a/c had been photographed as the writer of the article
>> believed. I'm sure that research aircraft in supersonic flight were
>> probably very closely observed and I would have thought that this phenom
>> would have been seen and photo'd many times by 1956.
>
> Sorry, no confirmation here, but a couple thoughts.
>
> As you probably know, the atmospheric conditions needed to form a visible
> shock wave are pretty narrow.
>
> Still, as you say, they had been observed many times by military on test
> missions. Perhaps this was the first time a picture of this nature had
> been taken by civilians, and published for all to see. You have to
> remember the secrecy in the cold war era.
> --
> Jim in NC
>

Yes, pretty much what I was thinking. Nine years should have been long
enough to have captured at least one shot of a shockwave since there was
probably an effort to do just that. The student who took the photo of the
F-100 got the shot by accident/luck.

[Dave[_1_]]

There have been several of these photos on the net during the past
4-5 years, perhaps 6 -7 different ones that I can recall...

Dave


On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 03:22:01 GMT, "muff528" >
wrote:

>
>"Morgans" > wrote in message
...
>>
>> "muff528" > wrote
>>
>>> Before this thread grows cold, I wonder if anyone here can confirm
>>> whether or not this actually was the first time a shockwave from a
>>> supersonic a/c had been photographed as the writer of the article
>>> believed. I'm sure that research aircraft in supersonic flight were
>>> probably very closely observed and I would have thought that this phenom
>>> would have been seen and photo'd many times by 1956.
>>
>> Sorry, no confirmation here, but a couple thoughts.
>>
>> As you probably know, the atmospheric conditions needed to form a visible
>> shock wave are pretty narrow.
>>
>> Still, as you say, they had been observed many times by military on test
>> missions. Perhaps this was the first time a picture of this nature had
>> been taken by civilians, and published for all to see. You have to
>> remember the secrecy in the cold war era.
>> --
>> Jim in NC
>>
>
>Yes, pretty much what I was thinking. Nine years should have been long
>enough to have captured at least one shot of a shockwave since there was
>probably an effort to do just that. The student who took the photo of the
>F-100 got the shot by accident/luck.
>

[Roger (K8RI)]

On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 19:20:38 -0400, Dudley Henriques
> wrote:

>Jim Logajan wrote:
>> Here's a neat video someone took of a Blue Angel low pass (~25 ft?) over
>> San Fransisco bay during Fleet Week this year and the visible shock cone
>> seems to indicate it was traveling just under mach one:
>>
>> http://jumpcut.com/view?id=C009AF72755211DC9F89000423CF037A
>
>Great pass. Quite frankly I'm surprised they got authorization to do it.
The Traverse City (MI) show is over water and they move all of the
boats out of the way. The coast guard tightly patrols the crowd line
out there.

Back in 61 I watched the Thunderbirds at Battle Creek (MI) flying
F-100s. The solo pilot came low like that, but then again so did the
team after the "bomb burst". They went out from the top of the cloud
and disappeared. It got really quiet. I just happened to catch one out
of the corner of my eye coming in low over the trees. It may have just
been the burners and speed, but the boom was so loud it hurt and my
ears rung for about 15 minutes.

Robert (Bob) Cummings was the MC for the show. I remember the Flying
Farmer and if memory serves he was flying a T-craft. Also performing
was the Absent Minded Professor who did things hanging in, out and
hanging onto a Cub that I don't think I care to try. Of course they
didn't have all the safety equipment back then either.

Another act was the "Red Knight" from Canada who did his entire
routine in T-33 while staying within the bounds of the airport.

Those and the unbelievable sunburn I got are the only things I
remember from that Other than the air show was to last a couple of
hours so we purchased tickets for the grand stand. The show started at
11:00 AM and finished at 7:00 PM. Oh, I do remember the tail of the
plane flying slot was black from soot. <:-))

Roger (K8RI)