Flying in TFR

[Andrew Sarangan]

There is a presidential TFR in Cincinnati on Monday, right smack in
the middle of my planned flight route. The notam says the inner 10
mile radius is a no-fly zone, and the outer 10-30 miles radius can be
flown with an active VFR or IFR flight plan. I always thought TFR was
restricted entirely, regardless of flight plan. Is this something new,
or am I misinterpreting it? If this is new, can I count on ATC
handling this properly? I am tempted to simply wait it out until the
TFR expires before departing even though it will be a major
inconvenience.

[C J Campbell[_1_]]

On 2007-10-27 21:51:44 -0700, Andrew Sarangan > said:

> There is a presidential TFR in Cincinnati on Monday, right smack in
> the middle of my planned flight route. The notam says the inner 10
> mile radius is a no-fly zone, and the outer 10-30 miles radius can be
> flown with an active VFR or IFR flight plan. I always thought TFR was
> restricted entirely, regardless of flight plan. Is this something new,
> or am I misinterpreting it? If this is new, can I count on ATC
> handling this properly? I am tempted to simply wait it out until the
> TFR expires before departing even though it will be a major
> inconvenience.

This is a typical Presidential TFR. Back in the early days there were
problems with ATC figuring out how to do the VFR flight plan and issue
the squawk codes required for the TFR. There are fewer problems with it
now, but occasionally you still get someone who can't figure out how to
work the system.

When you file your VFR flight plan the briefer is supposed to explain
to you how it works. Squawking 1200 is not sufficient. You have to get
a squawk code from ATC, like in flight following.
--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

[Newps]

Andrew Sarangan wrote:
> There is a presidential TFR in Cincinnati on Monday, right smack in
> the middle of my planned flight route. The notam says the inner 10
> mile radius is a no-fly zone, and the outer 10-30 miles radius can be
> flown with an active VFR or IFR flight plan. I always thought TFR was
> restricted entirely, regardless of flight plan. Is this something new,
> or am I misinterpreting it? If this is new, can I count on ATC
> handling this properly? I am tempted to simply wait it out until the
> TFR expires before departing even though it will be a major
> inconvenience.
>


A TFR is a restriction, you have to read the TFR to find out the rules.
The vast majority of TFR's are fire TFR's and you can usually fly thru
them by getting permission from the air attack aircraft on scene.
Standard stuff for pipeline pilots.

[Larry Dighera]

On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 12:03:53 -0600, Newps > wrote
in >:

>The vast majority of TFR's are fire TFR's and you can usually fly thru
>them by getting permission from the air attack aircraft on scene.

Is the air attack aircraft frequency usually published in the TFR, or
do you request it from ATC?

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Larry Dighera > wrote:
> On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 12:03:53 -0600, Newps > wrote
> in >:

> >The vast majority of TFR's are fire TFR's and you can usually fly thru
> >them by getting permission from the air attack aircraft on scene.

> Is the air attack aircraft frequency usually published in the TFR, or
> do you request it from ATC?

Fire TFR's almost allways have a HWIC phone number and frequency.

--
Jim Pennino

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[Newps]

It is normally in the TFR. There is always a phone number listed in the
TFR. Ask ATC, we don't normally keep track of TFR freq's but we may be
talking to one of the aircraft involved.





Larry Dighera wrote:
> On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 12:03:53 -0600, Newps > wrote
> in >:
>
>
>>The vast majority of TFR's are fire TFR's and you can usually fly thru
>>them by getting permission from the air attack aircraft on scene.
>
>
> Is the air attack aircraft frequency usually published in the TFR, or
> do you request it from ATC?
>

[Andrew Sarangan]

On Oct 28, 2:03 pm, Newps > wrote:
> Andrew Sarangan wrote:
> > There is a presidential TFR in Cincinnati on Monday, right smack in
> > the middle of my planned flight route. The notam says the inner 10
> > mile radius is a no-fly zone, and the outer 10-30 miles radius can be
> > flown with an active VFR or IFR flight plan. I always thought TFR was
> > restricted entirely, regardless of flight plan. Is this something new,
> > or am I misinterpreting it? If this is new, can I count on ATC
> > handling this properly? I am tempted to simply wait it out until the
> > TFR expires before departing even though it will be a major
> > inconvenience.
>
> A TFR is a restriction, you have to read the TFR to find out the rules.
> The vast majority of TFR's are fire TFR's and you can usually fly thru
> them by getting permission from the air attack aircraft on scene.
> Standard stuff for pipeline pilots.

I never flew through a TFR. And I never flew in the DC ADIZ either so
my experience here is limited. With the recent reports of FSS losing
flight plans, this seems to be a potential room for concern. The
presidential TFR says VFR airplanes must be on an active flight plan
and talking to ATC. I don't fully understand this. Is this a special
situation where ATC has access to VFR flight plans? Do I trust ATC to
keep me away from the inner- ring of the TFR? Since the perimeter is
somewhat nebulous, it is difficult to precisely navigate around
something like this. Since I had more questions than answers, I simply
landed outside the TFR and waited for it to expire before continuing.