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algaga
October 31st 07, 06:24 AM
What is your purpose in life? What is the rationale behind our life?
Why do we live in this life? These questions frequently intrigue
people who try to find accurate answers.
People provide different answers to these questions. Some people
believe the purpose of life is to accumulate wealth. But one may
wonder: What is the purpose of life after one has collected colossal
amounts of money? What then? What will the purpose be once money is
gathered? If the purpose of life is to gain money, there will be no
purpose after becoming wealthy. And in fact, here lies the problem of
some disbelievers or misbelievers at some stage of their life, when
collecting money is the target of their life. When they have collected
the money they dreamt of, their life loses its purpose. They suffer
from the panic of nothingness and they live in tension and
restlessness.
Can Wealth Be an Aim?
We often hear of a millionaire committing suicide, sometimes, not the
millionaire himself but his wife, son, or daughter. The question that
poses itself is: Can wealth bring happiness to one's life? In most
cases the answer is NO. Is the purpose of collecting wealth a standing
purpose? As we know, the five-year old child does not look for wealth:
a toy for him is equal to a million dollars. The eighteen-year old
adolescent does not dream of wealth because he is busy with more
important things. The ninety-year old man does not care about money;
he is worried more about his health. This proves that wealth cannot be
a standing purpose in all the stages of the individual's life.
Wealth can do little to bring happiness to a disbeliever, because he/
she is not sure about his fate. A disbeliever does not know the
purpose of life. And if he has a purpose, this purpose is doomed to be
temporary or self destructive.
What is the use of wealth to a disbeliever if he feels scared of the
end and skeptical of everything. A disbeliever may gain a lot of
money, but will surely lose himself.
Worshipping Allah as an Aim
On the contrary, faith in Allah gives the believer the purpose of life
that he needs. In Islam, the purpose of life is to worship Allah. The
term "Worship" covers all acts of obedience to Allah.
The Islamic purpose of life is a standing purpose. The true Muslim
sticks to this purpose throughout all the stages of his life, whether
he is a child, adolescent, adult, or an old man.
Worshipping Allah makes life purposeful and meaningful, especially
within the framework of Islam. According to Islam this worldly life is
just a short stage of our life. Then there is the other life. The
boundary between the first and second life is the death stage, which
is a transitory stage to the second life. The type of life in the
second stage a person deserves depends on his deeds in the first life.
At the end of the death stage comes the day of judgment. On this day,
Allah rewards or punishes people according to their deeds in the first
life.
The First Life as an Examination
So, Islam looks at the first life as an examination of man. The death
stage is similar to a rest period after the test, i. e. after the
first life. The Day of Judgment is similar to the day of announcing
the results of the examinees. The second life is the time when each
examinee enjoys or suffers from the outcome of his behavior during the
test period.
In Islam, the line of life is clear, simple, and logical: the first
life, death, the Day of Judgment, and then the second life. With this
clear line of life, the Muslim has a clear purpose in life. The Muslim
knows he is created by Allah. Muslims know they are going to spend
some years in this first life, during which they have to obey God,
because God will question them and hold them responsible for their
public or private deeds, because Allah knows about all the deeds of
all people. The Muslim knows that his deeds in the first life will
determine the type of second life they will live in. The Muslim knows
that this first life is a very short one, one hundred years, more or
less, whereas the second life is an eternal one.
The Eternity of the Second Life
The concept of the eternity of the second life has a tremendous effect
on a Muslims during their first life, because Muslims believe that
their first life determines the shape of their second life. In
addition, this determines the shape of their second life and this
determination will be through the Judgment of Allah, the All just and
Almighty.
With this belief in the second life and the Day of Judgment, the
Muslim's life becomes purposeful and meaningful. Moreover, the
Muslim's standing purpose is to go to Paradise in the second life.
In other words, the Muslim's permanent purpose is to obey Allah, to
submit to Allah, to carry out His orders, and to keep in continues
contact with Him through prayers (five times a day), through fasting
(one month a year), through charity (as often as possible), and
through pilgrimage (once in one's life).
The Need for a Permanent Purpose
Disbelievers have purposes in their lives such as collecting money and
property, indulging in sex, eating, and dancing. But all these
purposes are transient and passing ones. All these purposes come and
go, go up and down. Money comes and goes. Health comes and goes.
Sexual activities cannot continue forever. All these lusts for money,
food and sex cannot answer the individual's questions: so what? Then
What?
However, Islam saves Muslims from the trouble of asking the question,
because Islam makes it clear, from the very beginning, that the
permanent purpose of the Muslim in this life is to obey Allah in order
to go to Paradise in the second life.
We should know that the only way for our salvation in this life and in
the hereafter is to know our Lord who created us, believe in Him, and
worship Him alone.
We should also know our Prophet whom Allah had sent to all mankind,
believe in Him and follow Him. We should, know the religion of truth
which our Lord has commanded us to believe in, and practice it ...
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Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]
October 31st 07, 07:11 AM
algaga > wrote in news:1193811862.846185.78430@
57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com:

>
> What is your purpose in life?

Reproduction, unfortunately, the same as your's.



With this
> clear line of life, the Muslim has a clear purpose in life.


Yes, stuffing his beliefs down someone else's throat, just like your
retarded cousins, the christian right.

FOAD



>



http://richarddawkins.net/

mariposas rand mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges
October 31st 07, 07:37 AM
In article >,
Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:

> algaga > wrote in news:1193811862.846185.78430@
> 57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com:
>
> >
> > What is your purpose in life?
>
> Reproduction, unfortunately, the same as your's.

the aim of the game of life is to create a self replicating turing machine
thus combining von neumans self replicating automata with conways whimsy

http://www.cs.ualberta.ca/~bulitko/F02/papers/tm_words.pdf

> With this
> > clear line of life, the Muslim has a clear purpose in life.

maybe thats the problem

as a protestant christian i see a pretty muddled purpose in life
and i am forced to think for myself and trust my own conscience
instead of letting some imam (or crackpot biologist) do all my thinking for me

> http://richarddawkins.net/

yet another religious fanatic intent on stuffing his hate mongering on the world

arf meow arf - everything thing i know i learned
from the collective unconsciousness of odd bodkins
sacramento - political pigsty of the western world
i am an etruscan dancer

Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]
October 31st 07, 07:49 AM
mariposas rand mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges
> wrote in
:

> In article >,
> Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>
>> algaga > wrote in news:1193811862.846185.78430@
>> 57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com:
>>
>> >
>> > What is your purpose in life?
>>
>> Reproduction, unfortunately, the same as your's.
>
> the aim of the game of life is to create a self replicating turing
> machine thus combining von neumans self replicating automata with
> conways whimsy
>
> http://www.cs.ualberta.ca/~bulitko/F02/papers/tm_words.pdf
>
>> With this
>> > clear line of life, the Muslim has a clear purpose in life.
>
> maybe thats the problem
>
> as a protestant christian i see a pretty muddled purpose in life
> and i am forced to think for myself and trust my own conscience
> instead of letting some imam (or crackpot biologist) do all my
> thinking for me
>
>> http://richarddawkins.net/
>
> yet another religious fanatic intent on stuffing his hate mongering on
> the world
>

Moi?

Never.


Bertie

mariposas rand mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges
October 31st 07, 08:05 AM
In article >,
Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:

> mariposas rand mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges
> > wrote in
> :
>
> > In article >,
> > Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> >
> >> algaga > wrote in news:1193811862.846185.78430@
> >> 57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com:
> >>
> >> >
> >> > What is your purpose in life?
> >>
> >> Reproduction, unfortunately, the same as your's.
> >
> > the aim of the game of life is to create a self replicating turing
> > machine thus combining von neumans self replicating automata with
> > conways whimsy
> >
> > http://www.cs.ualberta.ca/~bulitko/F02/papers/tm_words.pdf
> >
> >> With this
> >> > clear line of life, the Muslim has a clear purpose in life.
> >
> > maybe thats the problem
> >
> > as a protestant christian i see a pretty muddled purpose in life
> > and i am forced to think for myself and trust my own conscience
> > instead of letting some imam (or crackpot biologist) do all my
> > thinking for me
> >
> >> http://richarddawkins.net/
> >
> > yet another religious fanatic intent on stuffing his hate mongering on
> > the world
> >
>
> Moi?

dawkins
same thing as the other religious fanatics
try to get governments to officially sanction his beliefs
fund his priests and churches to exclusion of others

arf meow arf - everything thing i know i learned
from the collective unconsciousness of odd bodkins
sacramento - political pigsty of the western world
i am an etruscan dancer

Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]
October 31st 07, 08:56 AM
mariposas rand mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges
> wrote in news:mair_fheal-8B05D5.01050031102007
@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net:

> In article >,
> Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>
>> mariposas rand mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges
>> > wrote in
>> :
>>
>> > In article >,
>> > Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> >
>> >> algaga > wrote in news:1193811862.846185.78430
@
>> >> 57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > What is your purpose in life?
>> >>
>> >> Reproduction, unfortunately, the same as your's.
>> >
>> > the aim of the game of life is to create a self replicating turing
>> > machine thus combining von neumans self replicating automata with
>> > conways whimsy
>> >
>> > http://www.cs.ualberta.ca/~bulitko/F02/papers/tm_words.pdf
>> >
>> >> With this
>> >> > clear line of life, the Muslim has a clear purpose in life.
>> >
>> > maybe thats the problem
>> >
>> > as a protestant christian i see a pretty muddled purpose in life
>> > and i am forced to think for myself and trust my own conscience
>> > instead of letting some imam (or crackpot biologist) do all my
>> > thinking for me
>> >
>> >> http://richarddawkins.net/
>> >
>> > yet another religious fanatic intent on stuffing his hate mongering
on
>> > the world
>> >
>>
>> Moi?
>
> dawkins
> same thing as the other religious fanatics
> try to get governments to officially sanction his beliefs
> fund his priests and churches to exclusion of others



Splinter.


Bertie

Gig 601XL Builder
October 31st 07, 04:28 PM
Richard Riley wrote:
>
> I do find the Mormans and Jehova's Witnesses that come to the door to
> be awfully annoying. But they're just trying to get you to take a
> copy of "The Watchtower." They don't have an exploding vest.
>
> They aren't trying to kill you, just harass you.

There is something that I never understood about the Jehovah's Witnesses. It
is my understanding that they believe that only 144,000 souls are going to
get into heaven and you have to be a member of their faith to be in that
number. According to their website they have 6,741,444 members now. Why are
they still recruiting? If the end were today and they are right a lot of
folks are screwed.

TheSmokingGnu
October 31st 07, 04:54 PM
Richard Riley wrote:
> I do find the Mormans and Jehova's Witnesses that come to the door to
> be awfully annoying. But they're just trying to get you to take a
> copy of "The Watchtower." They don't have an exploding vest.

Maybe that's the problem; the Mormons ought to be using exploding vests
loaded with copies of The Watchtower, so that you'll have to take at
least one that landed, entrail-free, in your living room.

Just imagine, simultaneously enlightened and then bludgeoned to death by
knowledge. The mind boggles. :P

TheSmokingGnu

PS: Every time I see this thread topic posted here, I blindly jump into
it in the hopes someone has written an AIM for life. It would certainly
make my hand-signal skills better!

Gene Seibel
October 31st 07, 04:59 PM
On Oct 31, 12:24 am, algaga > wrote:

> I advise you visiting :
http://www.islam-guide.com/
http://www.thetruereligion.org/
http://www.beconvinced.com/
http://www.plaintruth.org/
http://english.islamway.com/
http://www.todayislam.com/
http://www.prophetmuhammed.org/
http://www.islamtoday.net/english/
http://www.islamunveiled.org/
http://www.islamic-knowledge.com/

Well, tried visiting a couple of these, but the prophet muhammed's
site is unable to connect and the true religion site is being rebuilt
from scratch. Guess I'm out of luck. ;)
--
Gene Seibel
Tales of Flight - http://pad39a.com/gene/tales.html
Because I fly, I envy no one.

Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]
October 31st 07, 05:51 PM
TheSmokingGnu > wrote in
news:Tq2Wi.9927$%r.2404@trnddc01:

> Richard Riley wrote:
>> I do find the Mormans and Jehova's Witnesses that come to the door to
>> be awfully annoying. But they're just trying to get you to take a
>> copy of "The Watchtower." They don't have an exploding vest.
>
> Maybe that's the problem; the Mormons ought to be using exploding vests
> loaded with copies of The Watchtower, so that you'll have to take at
> least one that landed, entrail-free, in your living room.
>
> Just imagine, simultaneously enlightened and then bludgeoned to death by
> knowledge. The mind boggles. :P
>
> TheSmokingGnu
>
> PS: Every time I see this thread topic posted here, I blindly jump into
> it in the hopes someone has written an AIM for life. It would certainly
> make my hand-signal skills better!
>

I generally ask them to come over for the human sacrifice we have every
saturday night.

Think I'm kidding? I can tell you with some certainty they don;t come back
after that.



Bertie

Kloudy via AviationKB.com
November 1st 07, 04:15 PM
Richard Riley wrote:
>>Yes, stuffing his beliefs down someone else's throat, just like your
>>retarded cousins, the christian right.
>
>It's a matter of degree.
>
>I do find the Mormans and Jehova's Witnesses that come to the door to
>be awfully annoying. But they're just trying to get you to take a
>copy of "The Watchtower." They don't have an exploding vest.
>
>They aren't trying to kill you, just harass you.

To their questions , "Would you like to hear more about our views and discuss
the how Jehova and Christ, etc. fit into our lives?" I agreed when as a
youngster eager to learn about other views.
But on those few occasions, after having to explain that there are traditions
called Baha'i, Shinto, Tao, many sects of buddhism and in one meeting I had
to describe the existence of Hinuism, I quit.

Now I just politely take their leaflets and use them to start my charcoal
chimney.

Makes them happy and gets my fire started.
Insha' Allah

--
Message posted via http://www.aviationkb.com

Denny
November 1st 07, 07:52 PM
My old neighbor, Mary, was a good Catholic girl, and knew her
catechism forward and back and was a bible scholar cum housewife... In
the late 50's, one summer the Watchtower folks suddenly started
coming into our rural area on a weekly basis, men in suits, wives and
children in Sunday clothes <actually pretty decent folks> and Mary
would always invite them in for coffee and cookies. Then proceed to
have a great discussion on souls, and the holy trinity, and the
Apostles, etc. Problem is, whenever they would spout off some dogma
that strayed from the bible by even one apostrophe Mary would very
politely in her soft little voice point out that what they were saying
was wrong/confused/corrupted/etc... Then recite the chapter and
verses in question, verbatim... When they objected that she could not
possible be right, she would drag out her scholars copy of the bible,
with it's heavily annotated pages on it's wheeled podium and proceed
to prove her recitation was word for word and that they were indeed
straying from "The Word"... I noticed by mid summer that the weekly
stop at our house was still going strong, but then they would simply
drive past Mary's house without stopping... Apparently they didn't
like being shown to be wrong, right from their own Bible... Now, 50
years later I still smile when I remember it...

denny

Montblack
November 1st 07, 08:47 PM
("Denny" wrote)
> I noticed by mid summer that the weekly stop at our house was still going
> strong, but then they would simply drive past Mary's house without
> stopping... Apparently they didn't like being shown to be wrong, right
> from their own Bible...


Maybe they didn't like her coffee?


Montblack :-)

Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]
November 1st 07, 08:51 PM
"Montblack" > wrote in
:

> ("Denny" wrote)
>> I noticed by mid summer that the weekly stop at our house was still
>> going strong, but then they would simply drive past Mary's house
>> without stopping... Apparently they didn't like being shown to be
>> wrong, right from their own Bible...
>
>
> Maybe they didn't like her coffee?


Maybe she didn't grind it up before she shovec it down their throats.



Bertie

Roger (K8RI)
November 2nd 07, 03:05 AM
On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 17:51:53 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip >
wrote:

>TheSmokingGnu > wrote in
>news:Tq2Wi.9927$%r.2404@trnddc01:
>
>> Richard Riley wrote:
>>> I do find the Mormans and Jehova's Witnesses that come to the door to
>>> be awfully annoying. But they're just trying to get you to take a
>>> copy of "The Watchtower." They don't have an exploding vest.
>>
>> Maybe that's the problem; the Mormons ought to be using exploding vests
>> loaded with copies of The Watchtower, so that you'll have to take at
>> least one that landed, entrail-free, in your living room.
>>
>> Just imagine, simultaneously enlightened and then bludgeoned to death by
>> knowledge. The mind boggles. :P
>>
>> TheSmokingGnu
>>
>> PS: Every time I see this thread topic posted here, I blindly jump into
>> it in the hopes someone has written an AIM for life. It would certainly
>> make my hand-signal skills better!
>>
>
>I generally ask them to come over for the human sacrifice we have every
>saturday night.
Just tell 'em there are some members of your Coven that have expressed
a personal interest in them and they should be there shortly.

Roger
>
>Think I'm kidding? I can tell you with some certainty they don;t come back
>after that.
>
>
>
>Bertie

Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]
November 2nd 07, 12:51 PM
"Roger (K8RI)" > wrote in
:

> On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 17:51:53 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip >
> wrote:
>
>>TheSmokingGnu > wrote in
>>news:Tq2Wi.9927$%r.2404@trnddc01:
>>
>>> Richard Riley wrote:
>>>> I do find the Mormans and Jehova's Witnesses that come to the door
>>>> to be awfully annoying. But they're just trying to get you to take
>>>> a copy of "The Watchtower." They don't have an exploding vest.
>>>
>>> Maybe that's the problem; the Mormons ought to be using exploding
>>> vests loaded with copies of The Watchtower, so that you'll have to
>>> take at least one that landed, entrail-free, in your living room.
>>>
>>> Just imagine, simultaneously enlightened and then bludgeoned to
>>> death by knowledge. The mind boggles. :P
>>>
>>> TheSmokingGnu
>>>
>>> PS: Every time I see this thread topic posted here, I blindly jump
>>> into it in the hopes someone has written an AIM for life. It would
>>> certainly make my hand-signal skills better!
>>>
>>
>>I generally ask them to come over for the human sacrifice we have
>>every saturday night.
> Just tell 'em there are some members of your Coven that have expressed
> a personal interest in them and they should be there shortly.
>

'xaclty. We had some that Mrs Bunyip was overly polite to years ago and
they kept coming back. I don't think I went as far as human
sacrifice,but I did allude to the occult and made some overtures
towards converting them!
It was a bit risky, as they could see you as a challenge. if you weren't
careful, but I think they read between the lines and got the idea and we
didn't see them again afterwards.



Bertie

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