Speaking of D.B. Cooper... [Archive]

Dudley Henriques[_2_]

October 31st 07, 11:46 PM

C J Campbell wrote:
> Seems some guy from Minnesota, Lyle Christansen, is convinced that his
> brother Kenny was D.B. Cooper. Kenny Christansen is in fact a dead
> ringer for Cooper, was an army paratrooper, bought a house in Buckley,
> WA, with cash that he never explained where it came from, and he worked
> for Northwest Airlines. On his deathbed he started to tell Lyle that
> there was something he had done that Lyle should know, but then he died.
>
> Kenny Christansen died in 1994 of cancer. The house is now a sign shop.
>
Last I heard, some woman in Florida said she discovered the man she was
married to for 20 years was Cooper. Don't know what ever happened to
this story.
My guess is that he went into one of those lakes that dot the
countryside where he baled, got tangled up in the shrouds and drowned.
I think someone found some of the money in a stream bed some time ago.
This one will hang in there with some of the other unsolved mysteries of
our time.
Perhaps someday it will get solved :-)

--
Dudley Henriques

karl gruber[_1_]

November 1st 07, 12:00 AM

The Columbia River is hardly a "stream!"

Karl

"Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
...
>C J Campbell wrote:
>> Seems some guy from Minnesota, Lyle Christansen, is convinced that his
>> brother Kenny was D.B. Cooper. Kenny Christansen is in fact a dead ringer
>> for Cooper, was an army paratrooper, bought a house in Buckley, WA, with
>> cash that he never explained where it came from, and he worked for
>> Northwest Airlines. On his deathbed he started to tell Lyle that there
>> was something he had done that Lyle should know, but then he died.
>>
>> Kenny Christansen died in 1994 of cancer. The house is now a sign shop.
>>
> Last I heard, some woman in Florida said she discovered the man she was
> married to for 20 years was Cooper. Don't know what ever happened to this
> story.
> My guess is that he went into one of those lakes that dot the countryside
> where he baled, got tangled up in the shrouds and drowned.
> I think someone found some of the money in a stream bed some time ago.
> This one will hang in there with some of the other unsolved mysteries of
> our time.
> Perhaps someday it will get solved :-)
>
> --
> Dudley Henriques

Dudley Henriques[_2_]

November 1st 07, 12:38 AM

karl gruber wrote:
> The Columbia River is hardly a "stream!"
>
> Karl
>
>
> "Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
> ...
>> C J Campbell wrote:
>>> Seems some guy from Minnesota, Lyle Christansen, is convinced that his
>>> brother Kenny was D.B. Cooper. Kenny Christansen is in fact a dead ringer
>>> for Cooper, was an army paratrooper, bought a house in Buckley, WA, with
>>> cash that he never explained where it came from, and he worked for
>>> Northwest Airlines. On his deathbed he started to tell Lyle that there
>>> was something he had done that Lyle should know, but then he died.
>>>
>>> Kenny Christansen died in 1994 of cancer. The house is now a sign shop.
>>>
>> Last I heard, some woman in Florida said she discovered the man she was
>> married to for 20 years was Cooper. Don't know what ever happened to this
>> story.
>> My guess is that he went into one of those lakes that dot the countryside
>> where he baled, got tangled up in the shrouds and drowned.
>> I think someone found some of the money in a stream bed some time ago.
>> This one will hang in there with some of the other unsolved mysteries of
>> our time.
>> Perhaps someday it will get solved :-)
>>
>> --
>> Dudley Henriques
>
>
Ever seen the Amazon???
:-))

--
Dudley Henriques

Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]

November 1st 07, 12:40 AM

Dudley Henriques > wrote in
:

> karl gruber wrote:
>> The Columbia River is hardly a "stream!"
>>
>> Karl
>>
>>
>> "Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> C J Campbell wrote:
>>>> Seems some guy from Minnesota, Lyle Christansen, is convinced that
>>>> his brother Kenny was D.B. Cooper. Kenny Christansen is in fact a
>>>> dead ringer for Cooper, was an army paratrooper, bought a house in
>>>> Buckley, WA, with cash that he never explained where it came from,
>>>> and he worked for Northwest Airlines. On his deathbed he started to
>>>> tell Lyle that there was something he had done that Lyle should
>>>> know, but then he died.
>>>>
>>>> Kenny Christansen died in 1994 of cancer. The house is now a sign
>>>> shop.
>>>>
>>> Last I heard, some woman in Florida said she discovered the man she
>>> was married to for 20 years was Cooper. Don't know what ever
>>> happened to this story.
>>> My guess is that he went into one of those lakes that dot the
>>> countryside where he baled, got tangled up in the shrouds and
>>> drowned. I think someone found some of the money in a stream bed
>>> some time ago. This one will hang in there with some of the other
>>> unsolved mysteries of our time.
>>> Perhaps someday it will get solved :-)
>>>
>>> --
>>> Dudley Henriques
>>
>>
> Ever seen the Amazon???

Or what beer made from rice will do to a wellused urinary tract?

Bertie

Dudley Henriques[_2_]

November 1st 07, 12:42 AM

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
> Dudley Henriques > wrote in
> :
>
>> karl gruber wrote:
>>> The Columbia River is hardly a "stream!"
>>>
>>> Karl
>>>
>>>
>>> "Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> C J Campbell wrote:
>>>>> Seems some guy from Minnesota, Lyle Christansen, is convinced that
>>>>> his brother Kenny was D.B. Cooper. Kenny Christansen is in fact a
>>>>> dead ringer for Cooper, was an army paratrooper, bought a house in
>>>>> Buckley, WA, with cash that he never explained where it came from,
>>>>> and he worked for Northwest Airlines. On his deathbed he started to
>>>>> tell Lyle that there was something he had done that Lyle should
>>>>> know, but then he died.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kenny Christansen died in 1994 of cancer. The house is now a sign
>>>>> shop.
>>>>>
>>>> Last I heard, some woman in Florida said she discovered the man she
>>>> was married to for 20 years was Cooper. Don't know what ever
>>>> happened to this story.
>>>> My guess is that he went into one of those lakes that dot the
>>>> countryside where he baled, got tangled up in the shrouds and
>>>> drowned. I think someone found some of the money in a stream bed
>>>> some time ago. This one will hang in there with some of the other
>>>> unsolved mysteries of our time.
>>>> Perhaps someday it will get solved :-)
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Dudley Henriques
>>>
>> Ever seen the Amazon???
>
>
> Or what beer made from rice will do to a wellused urinary tract?
>
>
> Bertie
Ouch! That hurts. Pass me a cold one anyway!

--
Dudley Henriques

Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]

November 1st 07, 12:45 AM

Dudley Henriques > wrote in news:xqadnfQMn-
:

> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>> Dudley Henriques > wrote in
>> :
>>
>>> karl gruber wrote:
>>>> The Columbia River is hardly a "stream!"
>>>>
>>>> Karl
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> C J Campbell wrote:
>>>>>> Seems some guy from Minnesota, Lyle Christansen, is convinced
that
>>>>>> his brother Kenny was D.B. Cooper. Kenny Christansen is in fact a
>>>>>> dead ringer for Cooper, was an army paratrooper, bought a house
in
>>>>>> Buckley, WA, with cash that he never explained where it came
from,
>>>>>> and he worked for Northwest Airlines. On his deathbed he started
to
>>>>>> tell Lyle that there was something he had done that Lyle should
>>>>>> know, but then he died.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kenny Christansen died in 1994 of cancer. The house is now a sign
>>>>>> shop.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Last I heard, some woman in Florida said she discovered the man
she
>>>>> was married to for 20 years was Cooper. Don't know what ever
>>>>> happened to this story.
>>>>> My guess is that he went into one of those lakes that dot the
>>>>> countryside where he baled, got tangled up in the shrouds and
>>>>> drowned. I think someone found some of the money in a stream bed
>>>>> some time ago. This one will hang in there with some of the other
>>>>> unsolved mysteries of our time.
>>>>> Perhaps someday it will get solved :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Dudley Henriques
>>>>
>>> Ever seen the Amazon???
>>
>>
>> Or what beer made from rice will do to a wellused urinary tract?
>>
>>
>> Bertie
> Ouch! That hurts. Pass me a cold one anyway!

Getting on so one can't fly more than 15 minutes from a place to pee.

Bertie

Dudley Henriques[_2_]

November 1st 07, 12:52 AM

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
> Dudley Henriques > wrote in news:xqadnfQMn-
> :
>
>> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>>> Dudley Henriques > wrote in
>>> :
>>>
>>>> karl gruber wrote:
>>>>> The Columbia River is hardly a "stream!"
>>>>>
>>>>> Karl
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> C J Campbell wrote:
>>>>>>> Seems some guy from Minnesota, Lyle Christansen, is convinced
> that
>>>>>>> his brother Kenny was D.B. Cooper. Kenny Christansen is in fact a
>>>>>>> dead ringer for Cooper, was an army paratrooper, bought a house
> in
>>>>>>> Buckley, WA, with cash that he never explained where it came
> from,
>>>>>>> and he worked for Northwest Airlines. On his deathbed he started
> to
>>>>>>> tell Lyle that there was something he had done that Lyle should
>>>>>>> know, but then he died.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kenny Christansen died in 1994 of cancer. The house is now a sign
>>>>>>> shop.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Last I heard, some woman in Florida said she discovered the man
> she
>>>>>> was married to for 20 years was Cooper. Don't know what ever
>>>>>> happened to this story.
>>>>>> My guess is that he went into one of those lakes that dot the
>>>>>> countryside where he baled, got tangled up in the shrouds and
>>>>>> drowned. I think someone found some of the money in a stream bed
>>>>>> some time ago. This one will hang in there with some of the other
>>>>>> unsolved mysteries of our time.
>>>>>> Perhaps someday it will get solved :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Dudley Henriques
>>>> Ever seen the Amazon???
>>>
>>> Or what beer made from rice will do to a wellused urinary tract?
>>>
>>>
>>> Bertie
>> Ouch! That hurts. Pass me a cold one anyway!
>
> Getting on so one can't fly more than 15 minutes from a place to pee.
>
> Bertie
Being alone in the Mustang has it's good points :-)

--
Dudley Henriques

Marty Shapiro

November 1st 07, 01:01 AM

Dudley Henriques > wrote in
:

> C J Campbell wrote:
>> Seems some guy from Minnesota, Lyle Christansen, is convinced that his
>> brother Kenny was D.B. Cooper. Kenny Christansen is in fact a dead
>> ringer for Cooper, was an army paratrooper, bought a house in Buckley,
>> WA, with cash that he never explained where it came from, and he worked
>> for Northwest Airlines. On his deathbed he started to tell Lyle that
>> there was something he had done that Lyle should know, but then he died.
>>
>> Kenny Christansen died in 1994 of cancer. The house is now a sign shop.
>>
> Last I heard, some woman in Florida said she discovered the man she was
> married to for 20 years was Cooper. Don't know what ever happened to
> this story.
> My guess is that he went into one of those lakes that dot the
> countryside where he baled, got tangled up in the shrouds and drowned.
> I think someone found some of the money in a stream bed some time ago.
> This one will hang in there with some of the other unsolved mysteries of
> our time.
> Perhaps someday it will get solved :-)
>

There was a story about DB Cooper circulating at Binion's Golden
Horseshoe Casino in Las Vegas years ago. This was told to me by a
blackjack dealer in the casion, so it must be the absolute truth.

About 7 years after DB Cooper bailed from the 727, a man showed up
with two large briefcases at Binion's Golden Horseshoe Casino. At that
time, they had a policy were a customer could set his own table maximum
provided that his very first bet was for that maximum. The man took
$727,000 in cash out of one briefcase and placed it on the "Don't Pass" at
the craps table. The roll was 6-8-10-7. The man filled both briefcases
with $1,454,000 in cash, and the casino treated him to a limo to the
airport. He was never seen again in Las Vegas. They swear that the bills
were dirty and looked like they had previously been buried and that the man
was DB Cooper.

--
Marty Shapiro
Silicon Rallye Inc.

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Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]

November 1st 07, 01:01 AM

Dudley Henriques > wrote in
:

> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>> Dudley Henriques > wrote in news:xqadnfQMn-
>> :
>>
>>> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>>>> Dudley Henriques > wrote in
>>>> :
>>>>
>>>>> karl gruber wrote:
>>>>>> The Columbia River is hardly a "stream!"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Karl
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> C J Campbell wrote:
>>>>>>>> Seems some guy from Minnesota, Lyle Christansen, is convinced
>> that
>>>>>>>> his brother Kenny was D.B. Cooper. Kenny Christansen is in fact
a
>>>>>>>> dead ringer for Cooper, was an army paratrooper, bought a house
>> in
>>>>>>>> Buckley, WA, with cash that he never explained where it came
>> from,
>>>>>>>> and he worked for Northwest Airlines. On his deathbed he
started
>> to
>>>>>>>> tell Lyle that there was something he had done that Lyle should
>>>>>>>> know, but then he died.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Kenny Christansen died in 1994 of cancer. The house is now a
sign
>>>>>>>> shop.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Last I heard, some woman in Florida said she discovered the man
>> she
>>>>>>> was married to for 20 years was Cooper. Don't know what ever
>>>>>>> happened to this story.
>>>>>>> My guess is that he went into one of those lakes that dot the
>>>>>>> countryside where he baled, got tangled up in the shrouds and
>>>>>>> drowned. I think someone found some of the money in a stream bed
>>>>>>> some time ago. This one will hang in there with some of the
other
>>>>>>> unsolved mysteries of our time.
>>>>>>> Perhaps someday it will get solved :-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Dudley Henriques
>>>>> Ever seen the Amazon???
>>>>
>>>> Or what beer made from rice will do to a wellused urinary tract?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bertie
>>> Ouch! That hurts. Pass me a cold one anyway!
>>
>> Getting on so one can't fly more than 15 minutes from a place to pee.
>>
>> Bertie
> Being alone in the Mustang has it's good points :-)

Worth a whole thread on it's own really.

Bertie
>

Dudley Henriques[_2_]

November 1st 07, 01:18 AM

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
> Dudley Henriques > wrote in
> :
>
>> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>>> Dudley Henriques > wrote in news:xqadnfQMn-
>>> :
>>>
>>>> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>>>>> Dudley Henriques > wrote in
>>>>> :
>>>>>
>>>>>> karl gruber wrote:
>>>>>>> The Columbia River is hardly a "stream!"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Karl
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>> C J Campbell wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Seems some guy from Minnesota, Lyle Christansen, is convinced
>>> that
>>>>>>>>> his brother Kenny was D.B. Cooper. Kenny Christansen is in fact
> a
>>>>>>>>> dead ringer for Cooper, was an army paratrooper, bought a house
>>> in
>>>>>>>>> Buckley, WA, with cash that he never explained where it came
>>> from,
>>>>>>>>> and he worked for Northwest Airlines. On his deathbed he
> started
>>> to
>>>>>>>>> tell Lyle that there was something he had done that Lyle should
>>>>>>>>> know, but then he died.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Kenny Christansen died in 1994 of cancer. The house is now a
> sign
>>>>>>>>> shop.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Last I heard, some woman in Florida said she discovered the man
>>> she
>>>>>>>> was married to for 20 years was Cooper. Don't know what ever
>>>>>>>> happened to this story.
>>>>>>>> My guess is that he went into one of those lakes that dot the
>>>>>>>> countryside where he baled, got tangled up in the shrouds and
>>>>>>>> drowned. I think someone found some of the money in a stream bed
>>>>>>>> some time ago. This one will hang in there with some of the
> other
>>>>>>>> unsolved mysteries of our time.
>>>>>>>> Perhaps someday it will get solved :-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Dudley Henriques
>>>>>> Ever seen the Amazon???
>>>>> Or what beer made from rice will do to a wellused urinary tract?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Bertie
>>>> Ouch! That hurts. Pass me a cold one anyway!
>>> Getting on so one can't fly more than 15 minutes from a place to pee.
>>>
>>> Bertie
>> Being alone in the Mustang has it's good points :-)
>
> Worth a whole thread on it's own really.
>
>
> Bertie
>
Man, you haven't pee'd till you've pee'd into one of those funny looking
red plastic pee containers at 30 thousand in an unpressurized cockpit on
the way to a show site.

As if freezing it off wasn't bad enough, getting it caught in that damn
lower zipper in the flight suit REALLY made the day complete :-))

Ah yes, if those screaming "fans" at the show site only knew how loud
one of their "hero's" could yell "OUCH" into a damn O2 mask when his
"zingie" caught in that damn lower zipper, the whole "fighter pilot hero
thing" would have gone right out the damn window!!

You know Bertie..I REALLY miss the "good ole' days!! :-))
:-))

--
Dudley Henriques

Dudley Henriques[_2_]

November 1st 07, 01:20 AM

Marty Shapiro wrote:
> Dudley Henriques > wrote in
> :
>
>> C J Campbell wrote:
>>> Seems some guy from Minnesota, Lyle Christansen, is convinced that his
>>> brother Kenny was D.B. Cooper. Kenny Christansen is in fact a dead
>>> ringer for Cooper, was an army paratrooper, bought a house in Buckley,
>>> WA, with cash that he never explained where it came from, and he worked
>>> for Northwest Airlines. On his deathbed he started to tell Lyle that
>>> there was something he had done that Lyle should know, but then he died.
>>>
>>> Kenny Christansen died in 1994 of cancer. The house is now a sign shop.
>>>
>> Last I heard, some woman in Florida said she discovered the man she was
>> married to for 20 years was Cooper. Don't know what ever happened to
>> this story.
>> My guess is that he went into one of those lakes that dot the
>> countryside where he baled, got tangled up in the shrouds and drowned.
>> I think someone found some of the money in a stream bed some time ago.
>> This one will hang in there with some of the other unsolved mysteries of
>> our time.
>> Perhaps someday it will get solved :-)
>>
>
> There was a story about DB Cooper circulating at Binion's Golden
> Horseshoe Casino in Las Vegas years ago. This was told to me by a
> blackjack dealer in the casion, so it must be the absolute truth.
>
> About 7 years after DB Cooper bailed from the 727, a man showed up
> with two large briefcases at Binion's Golden Horseshoe Casino. At that
> time, they had a policy were a customer could set his own table maximum
> provided that his very first bet was for that maximum. The man took
> $727,000 in cash out of one briefcase and placed it on the "Don't Pass" at
> the craps table. The roll was 6-8-10-7. The man filled both briefcases
> with $1,454,000 in cash, and the casino treated him to a limo to the
> airport. He was never seen again in Las Vegas. They swear that the bills
> were dirty and looked like they had previously been buried and that the man
> was DB Cooper.
>
The problem with that story would be that the FBI had all the serials
marked and recorded if I remember right. They would have had a positive
ID on Cooper with the bills alone.

--
Dudley Henriques

Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]

November 1st 07, 01:30 AM

Dudley Henriques > wrote in
:

> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>> Dudley Henriques > wrote in
>> :
>>
>>> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>>>> Dudley Henriques > wrote in news:xqadnfQMn-
>>>> :
>>>>
>>>>> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>>>>>> Dudley Henriques > wrote in
>>>>>> :
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> karl gruber wrote:
>>>>>>>> The Columbia River is hardly a "stream!"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Karl
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>> C J Campbell wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Seems some guy from Minnesota, Lyle Christansen, is convinced
>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> his brother Kenny was D.B. Cooper. Kenny Christansen is in
fact
>> a
>>>>>>>>>> dead ringer for Cooper, was an army paratrooper, bought a
house
>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>> Buckley, WA, with cash that he never explained where it came
>>>> from,
>>>>>>>>>> and he worked for Northwest Airlines. On his deathbed he
>> started
>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> tell Lyle that there was something he had done that Lyle
should
>>>>>>>>>> know, but then he died.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Kenny Christansen died in 1994 of cancer. The house is now a
>> sign
>>>>>>>>>> shop.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Last I heard, some woman in Florida said she discovered the
man
>>>> she
>>>>>>>>> was married to for 20 years was Cooper. Don't know what ever
>>>>>>>>> happened to this story.
>>>>>>>>> My guess is that he went into one of those lakes that dot the
>>>>>>>>> countryside where he baled, got tangled up in the shrouds and
>>>>>>>>> drowned. I think someone found some of the money in a stream
bed
>>>>>>>>> some time ago. This one will hang in there with some of the
>> other
>>>>>>>>> unsolved mysteries of our time.
>>>>>>>>> Perhaps someday it will get solved :-)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Dudley Henriques
>>>>>>> Ever seen the Amazon???
>>>>>> Or what beer made from rice will do to a wellused urinary tract?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bertie
>>>>> Ouch! That hurts. Pass me a cold one anyway!
>>>> Getting on so one can't fly more than 15 minutes from a place to
pee.
>>>>
>>>> Bertie
>>> Being alone in the Mustang has it's good points :-)
>>
>> Worth a whole thread on it's own really.
>>
>>
>> Bertie
>>
> Man, you haven't pee'd till you've pee'd into one of those funny
looking
> red plastic pee containers at 30 thousand in an unpressurized cockpit
on
> the way to a show site.
>
> As if freezing it off wasn't bad enough, getting it caught in that
damn
> lower zipper in the flight suit REALLY made the day complete :-))
>
> Ah yes, if those screaming "fans" at the show site only knew how loud
> one of their "hero's" could yell "OUCH" into a damn O2 mask when his
> "zingie" caught in that damn lower zipper, the whole "fighter pilot
hero
> thing" would have gone right out the damn window!!
>
> You know Bertie..I REALLY miss the "good ole' days!! :-))

I had to pee bad into one of this ice cream cones attached to a venturi
on the belly of a twin Beech once. Problem was, it was iced up and the
damned thing was blowing instead of sucking. Of course, once you
start....

Bertie

Morgans[_2_]

November 1st 07, 01:31 AM

"Dudley Henriques" > wrote

> Ah yes, if those screaming "fans" at the show site only knew how loud one
> of their "hero's" could yell "OUCH" into a damn O2 mask when his "zingie"
> caught in that damn lower zipper, the whole "fighter pilot hero thing"
> would have gone right out the damn window!!

Ouch ??? OUCH ???

You HAVE to be kidding. It had to have been frozen SOLID to only get that
reaction! <g>

I would think that would at least merit a "SON OF A B*TCH" or something
along that line, or worse. ;-)
--
Jim in NC

Marty Shapiro

November 1st 07, 01:39 AM

Dudley Henriques > wrote in
:

> Marty Shapiro wrote:
>> Dudley Henriques > wrote in
>> :
>>
>>> C J Campbell wrote:
>>>> Seems some guy from Minnesota, Lyle Christansen, is convinced that
>>>> his brother Kenny was D.B. Cooper. Kenny Christansen is in fact a
>>>> dead ringer for Cooper, was an army paratrooper, bought a house in
>>>> Buckley, WA, with cash that he never explained where it came from,
>>>> and he worked for Northwest Airlines. On his deathbed he started to
>>>> tell Lyle that there was something he had done that Lyle should
>>>> know, but then he died.
>>>>
>>>> Kenny Christansen died in 1994 of cancer. The house is now a sign
>>>> shop.
>>>>
>>> Last I heard, some woman in Florida said she discovered the man she
>>> was married to for 20 years was Cooper. Don't know what ever
>>> happened to this story.
>>> My guess is that he went into one of those lakes that dot the
>>> countryside where he baled, got tangled up in the shrouds and
>>> drowned. I think someone found some of the money in a stream bed
>>> some time ago. This one will hang in there with some of the other
>>> unsolved mysteries of our time.
>>> Perhaps someday it will get solved :-)
>>>
>>
>> There was a story about DB Cooper circulating at Binion's
>> Golden
>> Horseshoe Casino in Las Vegas years ago. This was told to me by a
>> blackjack dealer in the casion, so it must be the absolute truth.
>>
>> About 7 years after DB Cooper bailed from the 727, a man
>> showed up
>> with two large briefcases at Binion's Golden Horseshoe Casino. At
>> that time, they had a policy were a customer could set his own table
>> maximum provided that his very first bet was for that maximum. The
>> man took $727,000 in cash out of one briefcase and placed it on the
>> "Don't Pass" at the craps table. The roll was 6-8-10-7. The man
>> filled both briefcases with $1,454,000 in cash, and the casino
>> treated him to a limo to the airport. He was never seen again in Las
>> Vegas. They swear that the bills were dirty and looked like they had
>> previously been buried and that the man was DB Cooper.
>>
> The problem with that story would be that the FBI had all the serials
> marked and recorded if I remember right. They would have had a
> positive ID on Cooper with the bills alone.
>

What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. No one there would ever tell
the FBI!.

When the good fellas ran Vegas, the hotel, casinos, and entertainment
were all ancillary to its real business - laundry.

--
Marty Shapiro
Silicon Rallye Inc.

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Maxwell

November 1st 07, 01:49 AM

"Marty Shapiro" > wrote in message
...
>
> There was a story about DB Cooper circulating at Binion's Golden
> Horseshoe Casino in Las Vegas years ago. This was told to me by a
> blackjack dealer in the casion, so it must be the absolute truth.
>
> About 7 years after DB Cooper bailed from the 727, a man showed up
> with two large briefcases at Binion's Golden Horseshoe Casino. At that
> time, they had a policy were a customer could set his own table maximum
> provided that his very first bet was for that maximum. The man took
> $727,000 in cash out of one briefcase and placed it on the "Don't Pass" at
> the craps table. The roll was 6-8-10-7. The man filled both briefcases
> with $1,454,000 in cash, and the casino treated him to a limo to the
> airport. He was never seen again in Las Vegas. They swear that the bills
> were dirty and looked like they had previously been buried and that the
> man
> was DB Cooper.
>

If it was he must have had good a part time job as well. Because he only got
$200,000 in skyjacking.

Dudley Henriques[_2_]

November 1st 07, 01:50 AM

Morgans wrote:
> "Dudley Henriques" > wrote
>
>> Ah yes, if those screaming "fans" at the show site only knew how loud one
>> of their "hero's" could yell "OUCH" into a damn O2 mask when his "zingie"
>> caught in that damn lower zipper, the whole "fighter pilot hero thing"
>> would have gone right out the damn window!!
>
> Ouch ??? OUCH ???
>
> You HAVE to be kidding. It had to have been frozen SOLID to only get that
> reaction! <g>
>
> I would think that would at least merit a "SON OF A B*TCH" or something
> along that line, or worse. ;-)
What really makes it interesting is that the mask has an open mike, and
of course you're simplexing ATC while all this is going on.

--
Dudley Henriques

Dudley Henriques[_2_]

November 1st 07, 01:51 AM

Marty Shapiro wrote:
> Dudley Henriques > wrote in
> :
>
>> Marty Shapiro wrote:
>>> Dudley Henriques > wrote in
>>> :
>>>
>>>> C J Campbell wrote:
>>>>> Seems some guy from Minnesota, Lyle Christansen, is convinced that
>>>>> his brother Kenny was D.B. Cooper. Kenny Christansen is in fact a
>>>>> dead ringer for Cooper, was an army paratrooper, bought a house in
>>>>> Buckley, WA, with cash that he never explained where it came from,
>>>>> and he worked for Northwest Airlines. On his deathbed he started to
>>>>> tell Lyle that there was something he had done that Lyle should
>>>>> know, but then he died.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kenny Christansen died in 1994 of cancer. The house is now a sign
>>>>> shop.
>>>>>
>>>> Last I heard, some woman in Florida said she discovered the man she
>>>> was married to for 20 years was Cooper. Don't know what ever
>>>> happened to this story.
>>>> My guess is that he went into one of those lakes that dot the
>>>> countryside where he baled, got tangled up in the shrouds and
>>>> drowned. I think someone found some of the money in a stream bed
>>>> some time ago. This one will hang in there with some of the other
>>>> unsolved mysteries of our time.
>>>> Perhaps someday it will get solved :-)
>>>>
>>> There was a story about DB Cooper circulating at Binion's
>>> Golden
>>> Horseshoe Casino in Las Vegas years ago. This was told to me by a
>>> blackjack dealer in the casion, so it must be the absolute truth.
>>>
>>> About 7 years after DB Cooper bailed from the 727, a man
>>> showed up
>>> with two large briefcases at Binion's Golden Horseshoe Casino. At
>>> that time, they had a policy were a customer could set his own table
>>> maximum provided that his very first bet was for that maximum. The
>>> man took $727,000 in cash out of one briefcase and placed it on the
>>> "Don't Pass" at the craps table. The roll was 6-8-10-7. The man
>>> filled both briefcases with $1,454,000 in cash, and the casino
>>> treated him to a limo to the airport. He was never seen again in Las
>>> Vegas. They swear that the bills were dirty and looked like they had
>>> previously been buried and that the man was DB Cooper.
>>>
>> The problem with that story would be that the FBI had all the serials
>> marked and recorded if I remember right. They would have had a
>> positive ID on Cooper with the bills alone.
>>
>
> What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. No one there would ever tell
> the FBI!.
>
> When the good fellas ran Vegas, the hotel, casinos, and entertainment
> were all ancillary to its real business - laundry.
>
These are valid points :-)

--
Dudley Henriques

Morgans[_2_]

November 1st 07, 01:52 AM

"Dudley Henriques" > wrote

> What really makes it interesting is that the mask has an open mike, and of
> course you're simplexing ATC while all this is going on.

Humm, that is surprising. NO PTT button, huh?
--
Jim in NC

Dudley Henriques[_2_]

November 1st 07, 02:03 AM

Morgans wrote:
> "Dudley Henriques" > wrote
>
>> What really makes it interesting is that the mask has an open mike, and of
>> course you're simplexing ATC while all this is going on.
>
> Humm, that is surprising. NO PTT button, huh?
On the end of the throttle barrel, but being a multi-task person I'm
usually doing several things at once :-)

--
Dudley Henriques

muff528

November 1st 07, 02:05 AM

"Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
...
> Marty Shapiro wrote:
>> Dudley Henriques > wrote in
>> :
>>
>>> C J Campbell wrote:
>>>> Seems some guy from Minnesota, Lyle Christansen, is convinced that his
>>>> brother Kenny was D.B. Cooper. Kenny Christansen is in fact a dead
>>>> ringer for Cooper, was an army paratrooper, bought a house in Buckley,
>>>> WA, with cash that he never explained where it came from, and he worked
>>>> for Northwest Airlines. On his deathbed he started to tell Lyle that
>>>> there was something he had done that Lyle should know, but then he
>>>> died.
>>>>
>>>> Kenny Christansen died in 1994 of cancer. The house is now a sign shop.
>>>>
>>> Last I heard, some woman in Florida said she discovered the man she was
>>> married to for 20 years was Cooper. Don't know what ever happened to
>>> this story.
>>> My guess is that he went into one of those lakes that dot the
>>> countryside where he baled, got tangled up in the shrouds and drowned.
>>> I think someone found some of the money in a stream bed some time ago.
>>> This one will hang in there with some of the other unsolved mysteries of
>>> our time.
>>> Perhaps someday it will get solved :-)
>>>
>>
>> There was a story about DB Cooper circulating at Binion's Golden
>> Horseshoe Casino in Las Vegas years ago. This was told to me by a
>> blackjack dealer in the casion, so it must be the absolute truth.
>>
>> About 7 years after DB Cooper bailed from the 727, a man showed up
>> with two large briefcases at Binion's Golden Horseshoe Casino. At that
>> time, they had a policy were a customer could set his own table maximum
>> provided that his very first bet was for that maximum. The man took
>> $727,000 in cash out of one briefcase and placed it on the "Don't Pass"
>> at the craps table. The roll was 6-8-10-7. The man filled both
>> briefcases with $1,454,000 in cash, and the casino treated him to a limo
>> to the airport. He was never seen again in Las Vegas. They swear that
>> the bills were dirty and looked like they had previously been buried and
>> that the man was DB Cooper.
>>
> The problem with that story would be that the FBI had all the serials
> marked and recorded if I remember right. They would have had a positive ID
> on Cooper with the bills alone.
>
> --
> Dudley Henriques

Look like he parlayed the original $200k (minus what was later found in the
river) into $727,000 so he could make a single bet in Vegas 7 years later.
Not counting any money he may have spent during that seven years. Sounds
like he didn't really need the ransom in the first place.
TP

Dudley Henriques[_2_]

November 1st 07, 02:14 AM

muff528 wrote:
> "Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Marty Shapiro wrote:
>>> Dudley Henriques > wrote in
>>> :
>>>
>>>> C J Campbell wrote:
>>>>> Seems some guy from Minnesota, Lyle Christansen, is convinced that his
>>>>> brother Kenny was D.B. Cooper. Kenny Christansen is in fact a dead
>>>>> ringer for Cooper, was an army paratrooper, bought a house in Buckley,
>>>>> WA, with cash that he never explained where it came from, and he worked
>>>>> for Northwest Airlines. On his deathbed he started to tell Lyle that
>>>>> there was something he had done that Lyle should know, but then he
>>>>> died.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kenny Christansen died in 1994 of cancer. The house is now a sign shop.
>>>>>
>>>> Last I heard, some woman in Florida said she discovered the man she was
>>>> married to for 20 years was Cooper. Don't know what ever happened to
>>>> this story.
>>>> My guess is that he went into one of those lakes that dot the
>>>> countryside where he baled, got tangled up in the shrouds and drowned.
>>>> I think someone found some of the money in a stream bed some time ago.
>>>> This one will hang in there with some of the other unsolved mysteries of
>>>> our time.
>>>> Perhaps someday it will get solved :-)
>>>>
>>> There was a story about DB Cooper circulating at Binion's Golden
>>> Horseshoe Casino in Las Vegas years ago. This was told to me by a
>>> blackjack dealer in the casion, so it must be the absolute truth.
>>>
>>> About 7 years after DB Cooper bailed from the 727, a man showed up
>>> with two large briefcases at Binion's Golden Horseshoe Casino. At that
>>> time, they had a policy were a customer could set his own table maximum
>>> provided that his very first bet was for that maximum. The man took
>>> $727,000 in cash out of one briefcase and placed it on the "Don't Pass"
>>> at the craps table. The roll was 6-8-10-7. The man filled both
>>> briefcases with $1,454,000 in cash, and the casino treated him to a limo
>>> to the airport. He was never seen again in Las Vegas. They swear that
>>> the bills were dirty and looked like they had previously been buried and
>>> that the man was DB Cooper.
>>>
>> The problem with that story would be that the FBI had all the serials
>> marked and recorded if I remember right. They would have had a positive ID
>> on Cooper with the bills alone.
>>
>> --
>> Dudley Henriques
>
> Look like he parlayed the original $200k (minus what was later found in the
> river) into $727,000 so he could make a single bet in Vegas 7 years later.
> Not counting any money he may have spent during that seven years. Sounds
> like he didn't really need the ransom in the first place.
> TP
>
>
My guess is that he never made it to Vegas. I still think he's out there
somewhere, probably at the bottom of one of those lakes. It's indicative
that the money bag has never turned up but some of the money did and it
was in the river. Could be the bag went down with him if he drowned
somewhere upstream in something connecting with the Columbia River and
the bills made their way down to where they were found.
I guess dredging every one of those little lakes up there would have
been a bit much on the expense vouchers :-)

--
Dudley Henriques

Paul Tomblin

November 1st 07, 02:39 AM

In a previous article, Dudley Henriques > said:
>Man, you haven't pee'd till you've pee'd into one of those funny looking
>red plastic pee containers at 30 thousand in an unpressurized cockpit on
>the way to a show site.

I read a story about an F-16 pilot who "returned his plane to the taxpayers"
due to a mishap while trying to pee in a piddle pack.

--
Paul Tomblin > http://blog.xcski.com/
If the automobile had followed the same development as the computer a
Rolls Royce would today cost $100, get a million miles per gallon and
explode once a year killing everybody inside. - Robert Cringley (InfoWorld)

Dudley Henriques[_2_]

November 1st 07, 02:42 AM

Paul Tomblin wrote:
> In a previous article, Dudley Henriques > said:
>> Man, you haven't pee'd till you've pee'd into one of those funny looking
>> red plastic pee containers at 30 thousand in an unpressurized cockpit on
>> the way to a show site.
>
> I read a story about an F-16 pilot who "returned his plane to the taxpayers"
> due to a mishap while trying to pee in a piddle pack.
>
>
That wouldn't be me. If you can't **** without losing the airplane,
you're too stupid to fly :-)

--
Dudley Henriques

Big John

November 1st 07, 03:32 AM

Bertie

Your story reminds me of another true one :o)

Had been flying the P-51 and the relief tube was just a cone like you
describe. Used on many occasions and never had it freeze up.

Transitioned to the P-80 and on a early flight had the urge. Pulled
the cone out from under the seat and started to use and it rapidly
filled up which necessitated a rapid stop of flow with all of its
problems. Wiggled the hose around to see if it was pinched and still
had a full cone in my left hand. Flew to home plate that way and
retarded the throttle with my elbow and landed and taxied in. Crew
Chief jumped on wing and I said, you need to fix this relief tube.
It's clogged.

He took it an there was a little metal lever on the side which he
pushed and the cone drained on ramp. He then explained to me that in a
pressurized cockpit the relief tube had to have a valve in it or
cockpit pressure would bleed out relief tube.

During future uses of tube, I found that I could depress the lever and
the cockpit pressure going out would collect the liquid from about 6
inches above cone. Of course you had to be careful that your 'tool'
didn't get too close with the valve open or it could get sucked in.
Ouch! :o(

Now in my Mooney with 7 1/2 hours of fuel (built in fuselage tank) I
had a coffee can with a plastic lid. Worked fine every time :o)

Big John

************************************************** *****

I had to pee bad into one of this ice cream cones attached to a
ventura on the belly of a twin Beech once. Problem was, it was iced up
and the damned thing was blowing instead of sucking. Of course, once
you start....

Bertie

Dudley Henriques[_2_]

November 1st 07, 03:39 AM

Big John wrote:
> Bertie
>
> Your story reminds me of another true one :o)
>
> Had been flying the P-51 and the relief tube was just a cone like you
> describe. Used on many occasions and never had it freeze up.
>
> Transitioned to the P-80 and on a early flight had the urge. Pulled
> the cone out from under the seat and started to use and it rapidly
> filled up which necessitated a rapid stop of flow with all of its
> problems. Wiggled the hose around to see if it was pinched and still
> had a full cone in my left hand. Flew to home plate that way and
> retarded the throttle with my elbow and landed and taxied in. Crew
> Chief jumped on wing and I said, you need to fix this relief tube.
> It's clogged.
>
> He took it an there was a little metal lever on the side which he
> pushed and the cone drained on ramp. He then explained to me that in a
> pressurized cockpit the relief tube had to have a valve in it or
> cockpit pressure would bleed out relief tube.
>
> During future uses of tube, I found that I could depress the lever and
> the cockpit pressure going out would collect the liquid from about 6
> inches above cone. Of course you had to be careful that your 'tool'
> didn't get too close with the valve open or it could get sucked in.
> Ouch! :o(
>
> Now in my Mooney with 7 1/2 hours of fuel (built in fuselage tank) I
> had a coffee can with a plastic lid. Worked fine every time :o)
>
> Big John
>
> ************************************************** *****
>
>
>
> I had to pee bad into one of this ice cream cones attached to a
> ventura on the belly of a twin Beech once. Problem was, it was iced up
> and the damned thing was blowing instead of sucking. Of course, once
> you start....
>
> Bertie
>
Hi John;

Who would have thought that between you, Bertie, and my, total flying
experience the three of us would end up here on Usenet discussing
****ing in a cup :-)))))))))))))))))))
Dudley

--
Dudley Henriques

Gary Mishler

November 1st 07, 03:51 AM

"Tri-Pacer" > wrote in message
. ..
>
> "C J > Seems some guy from Minnesota, Lyle Christansen, is convinced that
> his
>> brother Kenny was D.B. Cooper.
>
> No way.
>
> DB Cooper is my ex-wife.
>
> She had makeup and a man's suit on.
>
> I've been telling the FBI that for years and they still refuse to lock her
> up

This is getting ridiculous. Everyone knows that D.B Cooper was the fifth
gunman at the Grassy Knoll. He hijacked the plane to get money to pay off
his debts to Jimmy Hoffa. Sometime later he went into the witness
protection program, changed his name to Oliver Stone and now produces
historical documentaries. You can find all of this on the internet, so it
must be true.

C J Campbell[_1_]

November 1st 07, 04:11 AM

On 2007-10-31 16:46:20 -0700, Dudley Henriques > said:

> C J Campbell wrote:
>> Seems some guy from Minnesota, Lyle Christansen, is convinced that his
>> brother Kenny was D.B. Cooper. Kenny Christansen is in fact a dead
>> ringer for Cooper, was an army paratrooper, bought a house in Buckley,
>> WA, with cash that he never explained where it came from, and he worked
>> for Northwest Airlines. On his deathbed he started to tell Lyle that
>> there was something he had done that Lyle should know, but then he died.
>>
>> Kenny Christansen died in 1994 of cancer. The house is now a sign shop.
>>
> Last I heard, some woman in Florida said she discovered the man she was
> married to for 20 years was Cooper. Don't know what ever happened to
> this story.
> My guess is that he went into one of those lakes that dot the
> countryside where he baled, got tangled up in the shrouds and drowned.
> I think someone found some of the money in a stream bed some time ago.
> This one will hang in there with some of the other unsolved mysteries
> of our time.
> Perhaps someday it will get solved :-)

They found $6,000. Someday maybe they will find the rest. :-)
--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

C J Campbell[_1_]

November 1st 07, 04:14 AM

On 2007-10-31 17:52:32 -0700, Dudley Henriques > said:

> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>> Dudley Henriques > wrote in news:xqadnfQMn-
>> :
>>
>>> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>>>> Dudley Henriques > wrote in
>>>> :
>>>>> karl gruber wrote:
>>>>>> The Columbia River is hardly a "stream!"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Karl
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> C J Campbell wrote:
>>>>>>>> Seems some guy from Minnesota, Lyle Christansen, is convinced
>> that
>>>>>>>> his brother Kenny was D.B. Cooper. Kenny Christansen is in fact a
>>>>>>>> dead ringer for Cooper, was an army paratrooper, bought a house
>> in
>>>>>>>> Buckley, WA, with cash that he never explained where it came
>> from,
>>>>>>>> and he worked for Northwest Airlines. On his deathbed he started
>> to
>>>>>>>> tell Lyle that there was something he had done that Lyle should
>>>>>>>> know, but then he died.
>>>>>>>> Kenny Christansen died in 1994 of cancer. The house is now a sign
>>>>>>>> shop.
>>>>>>> Last I heard, some woman in Florida said she discovered the man
>> she
>>>>>>> was married to for 20 years was Cooper. Don't know what ever
>>>>>>> happened to this story.
>>>>>>> My guess is that he went into one of those lakes that dot the
>>>>>>> countryside where he baled, got tangled up in the shrouds and
>>>>>>> drowned. I think someone found some of the money in a stream bed
>>>>>>> some time ago. This one will hang in there with some of the other
>>>>>>> unsolved mysteries of our time.
>>>>>>> Perhaps someday it will get solved :-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Dudley Henriques
>>>>> Ever seen the Amazon???
>>>>
>>>> Or what beer made from rice will do to a wellused urinary tract?
>>>>
>>>> Bertie
>>> Ouch! That hurts. Pass me a cold one anyway!
>>
>> Getting on so one can't fly more than 15 minutes from a place to pee.
>> Bertie
> Being alone in the Mustang has it's good points :-)

Being in a C-130 with its own john had even better points. :-)
--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

C J Campbell[_1_]

November 1st 07, 04:14 AM

On 2007-10-31 20:39:31 -0700, Dudley Henriques > said:

> Big John wrote:
>> Bertie
>>
>> Your story reminds me of another true one :o)
>>
>> Had been flying the P-51 and the relief tube was just a cone like you
>> describe. Used on many occasions and never had it freeze up.
>>
>> Transitioned to the P-80 and on a early flight had the urge. Pulled
>> the cone out from under the seat and started to use and it rapidly
>> filled up which necessitated a rapid stop of flow with all of its
>> problems. Wiggled the hose around to see if it was pinched and still
>> had a full cone in my left hand. Flew to home plate that way and
>> retarded the throttle with my elbow and landed and taxied in. Crew
>> Chief jumped on wing and I said, you need to fix this relief tube.
>> It's clogged.
>> He took it an there was a little metal lever on the side which he
>> pushed and the cone drained on ramp. He then explained to me that in a
>> pressurized cockpit the relief tube had to have a valve in it or
>> cockpit pressure would bleed out relief tube.
>>
>> During future uses of tube, I found that I could depress the lever and
>> the cockpit pressure going out would collect the liquid from about 6
>> inches above cone. Of course you had to be careful that your 'tool'
>> didn't get too close with the valve open or it could get sucked in.
>> Ouch! :o(
>>
>> Now in my Mooney with 7 1/2 hours of fuel (built in fuselage tank) I
>> had a coffee can with a plastic lid. Worked fine every time :o)
>>
>> Big John
>>
>> ************************************************** *****
>>
>>
>>
>> I had to pee bad into one of this ice cream cones attached to a
>> ventura on the belly of a twin Beech once. Problem was, it was iced up
>> and the damned thing was blowing instead of sucking. Of course, once
>> you start....
>> Bertie
>>
> Hi John;
>
> Who would have thought that between you, Bertie, and my, total flying
> experience the three of us would end up here on Usenet discussing
> ****ing in a cup :-)))))))))))))))))))
> Dudley

Wonder what they use in flight simulators?
--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

Dudley Henriques[_2_]

November 1st 07, 04:33 AM

C J Campbell wrote:
> On 2007-10-31 20:39:31 -0700, Dudley Henriques > said:
>
>> Big John wrote:
>>> Bertie
>>>
>>> Your story reminds me of another true one :o)
>>>
>>> Had been flying the P-51 and the relief tube was just a cone like you
>>> describe. Used on many occasions and never had it freeze up.
>>>
>>> Transitioned to the P-80 and on a early flight had the urge. Pulled
>>> the cone out from under the seat and started to use and it rapidly
>>> filled up which necessitated a rapid stop of flow with all of its
>>> problems. Wiggled the hose around to see if it was pinched and still
>>> had a full cone in my left hand. Flew to home plate that way and
>>> retarded the throttle with my elbow and landed and taxied in. Crew
>>> Chief jumped on wing and I said, you need to fix this relief tube.
>>> It's clogged.
>>> He took it an there was a little metal lever on the side which he
>>> pushed and the cone drained on ramp. He then explained to me that in a
>>> pressurized cockpit the relief tube had to have a valve in it or
>>> cockpit pressure would bleed out relief tube.
>>>
>>> During future uses of tube, I found that I could depress the lever and
>>> the cockpit pressure going out would collect the liquid from about 6
>>> inches above cone. Of course you had to be careful that your 'tool'
>>> didn't get too close with the valve open or it could get sucked in.
>>> Ouch! :o(
>>>
>>> Now in my Mooney with 7 1/2 hours of fuel (built in fuselage tank) I
>>> had a coffee can with a plastic lid. Worked fine every time :o)
>>>
>>> Big John
>>>
>>> ************************************************** *****
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I had to pee bad into one of this ice cream cones attached to a
>>> ventura on the belly of a twin Beech once. Problem was, it was iced up
>>> and the damned thing was blowing instead of sucking. Of course, once
>>> you start....
>>> Bertie
>>>
>> Hi John;
>>
>> Who would have thought that between you, Bertie, and my, total flying
>> experience the three of us would end up here on Usenet discussing
>> ****ing in a cup :-)))))))))))))))))))
>> Dudley
>
> Wonder what they use in flight simulators?
I just put down my Jack Daniels, pause the program, and go upstairs.
When I get back, the cat has walked on the keyboard, hit the P key and
somehow finished the landing. :-)

--
Dudley Henriques

Dudley Henriques[_2_]

November 1st 07, 04:35 AM

C J Campbell wrote:
> On 2007-10-31 17:52:32 -0700, Dudley Henriques > said:
>
>> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>>> Dudley Henriques > wrote in news:xqadnfQMn-
>>> :
>>>
>>>> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>>>>> Dudley Henriques > wrote in
>>>>> :
>>>>>> karl gruber wrote:
>>>>>>> The Columbia River is hardly a "stream!"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Karl
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>> C J Campbell wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Seems some guy from Minnesota, Lyle Christansen, is convinced
>>> that
>>>>>>>>> his brother Kenny was D.B. Cooper. Kenny Christansen is in fact a
>>>>>>>>> dead ringer for Cooper, was an army paratrooper, bought a house
>>> in
>>>>>>>>> Buckley, WA, with cash that he never explained where it came
>>> from,
>>>>>>>>> and he worked for Northwest Airlines. On his deathbed he started
>>> to
>>>>>>>>> tell Lyle that there was something he had done that Lyle should
>>>>>>>>> know, but then he died.
>>>>>>>>> Kenny Christansen died in 1994 of cancer. The house is now a sign
>>>>>>>>> shop.
>>>>>>>> Last I heard, some woman in Florida said she discovered the man
>>> she
>>>>>>>> was married to for 20 years was Cooper. Don't know what ever
>>>>>>>> happened to this story.
>>>>>>>> My guess is that he went into one of those lakes that dot the
>>>>>>>> countryside where he baled, got tangled up in the shrouds and
>>>>>>>> drowned. I think someone found some of the money in a stream bed
>>>>>>>> some time ago. This one will hang in there with some of the other
>>>>>>>> unsolved mysteries of our time.
>>>>>>>> Perhaps someday it will get solved :-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Dudley Henriques
>>>>>> Ever seen the Amazon???
>>>>>
>>>>> Or what beer made from rice will do to a wellused urinary tract?
>>>>>
>>>>> Bertie
>>>> Ouch! That hurts. Pass me a cold one anyway!
>>>
>>> Getting on so one can't fly more than 15 minutes from a place to pee.
>>> Bertie
>> Being alone in the Mustang has it's good points :-)
>
> Being in a C-130 with its own john had even better points. :-)

You multi guys have all the goodies!! I have to admit, "Fat Albert" is
one hell of an airplane :-))

--
Dudley Henriques

Big John

November 1st 07, 04:54 AM

Christopher

Probably use dipaers like the astronauts :o)

Big John
************************************************

Wonder what they use in flight simulators?

Big John

November 1st 07, 05:02 AM

On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 23:39:31 -0400, Dudley Henriques
> wrote:

>Big John wrote:
>> Bertie
>>
>> Your story reminds me of another true one :o)
>>
>> Had been flying the P-51 and the relief tube was just a cone like you
>> describe. Used on many occasions and never had it freeze up.
>>
>> Transitioned to the P-80 and on a early flight had the urge. Pulled
>> the cone out from under the seat and started to use and it rapidly
>> filled up which necessitated a rapid stop of flow with all of its
>> problems. Wiggled the hose around to see if it was pinched and still
>> had a full cone in my left hand. Flew to home plate that way and
>> retarded the throttle with my elbow and landed and taxied in. Crew
>> Chief jumped on wing and I said, you need to fix this relief tube.
>> It's clogged.
>>
>> He took it an there was a little metal lever on the side which he
>> pushed and the cone drained on ramp. He then explained to me that in a
>> pressurized cockpit the relief tube had to have a valve in it or
>> cockpit pressure would bleed out relief tube.
>>
>> During future uses of tube, I found that I could depress the lever and
>> the cockpit pressure going out would collect the liquid from about 6
>> inches above cone. Of course you had to be careful that your 'tool'
>> didn't get too close with the valve open or it could get sucked in.
>> Ouch! :o(
>>
>> Now in my Mooney with 7 1/2 hours of fuel (built in fuselage tank) I
>> had a coffee can with a plastic lid. Worked fine every time :o)
>>
>> Big John
>>
>> ************************************************** *****
>>
>>
>>
>> I had to pee bad into one of this ice cream cones attached to a
>> ventura on the belly of a twin Beech once. Problem was, it was iced up
>> and the damned thing was blowing instead of sucking. Of course, once
>> you start....
>>
>> Bertie
>>
>Hi John;
>
>Who would have thought that between you, Bertie, and my, total flying
>experience the three of us would end up here on Usenet discussing
>****ing in a cup :-)))))))))))))))))))
>Dudley
************************************************** 88888

Dudley

We've told flying stories about everything else and that's all that's
left :o)

Big John

Big John

November 1st 07, 05:11 AM

On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 22:42:33 -0400, Dudley Henriques
> wrote:

>Paul Tomblin wrote:
>> In a previous article, Dudley Henriques > said:
>>> Man, you haven't pee'd till you've pee'd into one of those funny looking
>>> red plastic pee containers at 30 thousand in an unpressurized cockpit on
>>> the way to a show site.
>>
>> I read a story about an F-16 pilot who "returned his plane to the taxpayers"
>> due to a mishap while trying to pee in a piddle pack.
>>
>>
>That wouldn't be me. If you can't **** without losing the airplane,
>you're too stupid to fly :-)
**********************************************8

Dudley

If this keeps going, I'm going to have to tell the story about the guy
who did a #2 in a T-6 as an air cadet on one of his cross country
training flights :o)

Big John

Dallas

November 1st 07, 05:12 AM

On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 21:18:25 -0400, Dudley Henriques wrote:

> "zingie" caught in that damn lower zipper, the whole "fighter pilot hero
> thing" would have gone right out the damn window!!

> You know Bertie..I REALLY miss the "good ole' days!! :-))

And you have the scars to prove it?

No! Don't show us... we'll take your word for it.

:-)
--
Dallas

C J Campbell[_1_]

November 1st 07, 05:23 AM

On 2007-10-31 21:35:27 -0700, Dudley Henriques > said:

> C J Campbell wrote:
>> On 2007-10-31 17:52:32 -0700, Dudley Henriques > said:
>>
>>> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>>>> Dudley Henriques > wrote in news:xqadnfQMn-
>>>> :
>>>>
>>>>> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>>>>>> Dudley Henriques > wrote in
>>>>>> :
>>>>>>> karl gruber wrote:
>>>>>>>> The Columbia River is hardly a "stream!"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Karl
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>> C J Campbell wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Seems some guy from Minnesota, Lyle Christansen, is convinced
>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> his brother Kenny was D.B. Cooper. Kenny Christansen is in fact a
>>>>>>>>>> dead ringer for Cooper, was an army paratrooper, bought a house
>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>> Buckley, WA, with cash that he never explained where it came
>>>> from,
>>>>>>>>>> and he worked for Northwest Airlines. On his deathbed he started
>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> tell Lyle that there was something he had done that Lyle should
>>>>>>>>>> know, but then he died.
>>>>>>>>>> Kenny Christansen died in 1994 of cancer. The house is now a sign
>>>>>>>>>> shop.
>>>>>>>>> Last I heard, some woman in Florida said she discovered the man
>>>> she
>>>>>>>>> was married to for 20 years was Cooper. Don't know what ever
>>>>>>>>> happened to this story.
>>>>>>>>> My guess is that he went into one of those lakes that dot the
>>>>>>>>> countryside where he baled, got tangled up in the shrouds and
>>>>>>>>> drowned. I think someone found some of the money in a stream bed
>>>>>>>>> some time ago. This one will hang in there with some of the other
>>>>>>>>> unsolved mysteries of our time.
>>>>>>>>> Perhaps someday it will get solved :-)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Dudley Henriques
>>>>>>> Ever seen the Amazon???
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Or what beer made from rice will do to a wellused urinary tract?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bertie
>>>>> Ouch! That hurts. Pass me a cold one anyway!
>>>>
>>>> Getting on so one can't fly more than 15 minutes from a place to pee.
>>>> Bertie
>>> Being alone in the Mustang has it's good points :-)
>>
>> Being in a C-130 with its own john had even better points. :-)
>
> You multi guys have all the goodies!! I have to admit, "Fat Albert" is
> one hell of an airplane :-))

The stand-up thing was okay, but the sit-down can was different. It was
just a can with a garbage sack liner. The rule was, the first guy who
used it had to take the garbage sack in for disposal. I have seen guys
hold it for more than 14 hours. They know: if they go first then
everybody else in the plane will use it.
--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

Mortimer Schnerd, RN[_2_]

November 1st 07, 08:57 AM

Big John wrote:
>
> If this keeps going, I'm going to have to tell the story about the guy
> who did a #2 in a T-6 as an air cadet on one of his cross country
> training flights :o)
>

Intentionally?

--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com

Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]

November 1st 07, 11:09 AM

C J Campbell > wrote in
news:200710312114548930-christophercampbell@hotmailcom:

> On 2007-10-31 20:39:31 -0700, Dudley Henriques >
said:
>
>> Big John wrote:
>>> Bertie
>>>
>>> Your story reminds me of another true one :o)
>>>
>>> Had been flying the P-51 and the relief tube was just a cone like
you
>>> describe. Used on many occasions and never had it freeze up.
>>>
>>> Transitioned to the P-80 and on a early flight had the urge. Pulled
>>> the cone out from under the seat and started to use and it rapidly
>>> filled up which necessitated a rapid stop of flow with all of its
>>> problems. Wiggled the hose around to see if it was pinched and still
>>> had a full cone in my left hand. Flew to home plate that way and
>>> retarded the throttle with my elbow and landed and taxied in. Crew
>>> Chief jumped on wing and I said, you need to fix this relief tube.
>>> It's clogged.
>>> He took it an there was a little metal lever on the side which he
>>> pushed and the cone drained on ramp. He then explained to me that in
a
>>> pressurized cockpit the relief tube had to have a valve in it or
>>> cockpit pressure would bleed out relief tube.
>>>
>>> During future uses of tube, I found that I could depress the lever
and
>>> the cockpit pressure going out would collect the liquid from about 6
>>> inches above cone. Of course you had to be careful that your 'tool'
>>> didn't get too close with the valve open or it could get sucked in.
>>> Ouch! :o(
>>>
>>> Now in my Mooney with 7 1/2 hours of fuel (built in fuselage tank) I
>>> had a coffee can with a plastic lid. Worked fine every time :o)
>>>
>>> Big John
>>>
>>> ************************************************** *****
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I had to pee bad into one of this ice cream cones attached to a
>>> ventura on the belly of a twin Beech once. Problem was, it was iced
up
>>> and the damned thing was blowing instead of sucking. Of course, once
>>> you start....
>>> Bertie
>>>
>> Hi John;
>>
>> Who would have thought that between you, Bertie, and my, total flying
>> experience the three of us would end up here on Usenet discussing
>> ****ing in a cup :-)))))))))))))))))))
>> Dudley
>
> Wonder what they use in flight simulators?

Well, anthony prolly has his computer in the bathroom anyway..

Bertie

Dudley Henriques[_2_]

November 1st 07, 12:46 PM

Big John wrote:
> On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 22:42:33 -0400, Dudley Henriques
> > wrote:
>
>> Paul Tomblin wrote:
>>> In a previous article, Dudley Henriques > said:
>>>> Man, you haven't pee'd till you've pee'd into one of those funny looking
>>>> red plastic pee containers at 30 thousand in an unpressurized cockpit on
>>>> the way to a show site.
>>> I read a story about an F-16 pilot who "returned his plane to the taxpayers"
>>> due to a mishap while trying to pee in a piddle pack.
>>>
>>>
>> That wouldn't be me. If you can't **** without losing the airplane,
>> you're too stupid to fly :-)
> **********************************************8
>
> Dudley
>
> If this keeps going, I'm going to have to tell the story about the guy
> who did a #2 in a T-6 as an air cadet on one of his cross country
> training flights :o)
>
> Big John

Interesting! I've had passengers do that after some of my landings.
:-)

--
Dudley Henriques

Dudley Henriques[_2_]

November 1st 07, 12:47 PM

C J Campbell wrote:
> On 2007-10-31 21:35:27 -0700, Dudley Henriques > said:
>
>> C J Campbell wrote:
>>> On 2007-10-31 17:52:32 -0700, Dudley Henriques >
>>> said:
>>>
>>>> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>>>>> Dudley Henriques > wrote in news:xqadnfQMn-
>>>>> :
>>>>>
>>>>>> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>>>>>>> Dudley Henriques > wrote in
>>>>>>> :
>>>>>>>> karl gruber wrote:
>>>>>>>>> The Columbia River is hardly a "stream!"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Karl
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>> C J Campbell wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Seems some guy from Minnesota, Lyle Christansen, is convinced
>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>> his brother Kenny was D.B. Cooper. Kenny Christansen is in
>>>>>>>>>>> fact a
>>>>>>>>>>> dead ringer for Cooper, was an army paratrooper, bought a house
>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>> Buckley, WA, with cash that he never explained where it came
>>>>> from,
>>>>>>>>>>> and he worked for Northwest Airlines. On his deathbed he started
>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> tell Lyle that there was something he had done that Lyle should
>>>>>>>>>>> know, but then he died.
>>>>>>>>>>> Kenny Christansen died in 1994 of cancer. The house is now a
>>>>>>>>>>> sign
>>>>>>>>>>> shop.
>>>>>>>>>> Last I heard, some woman in Florida said she discovered the man
>>>>> she
>>>>>>>>>> was married to for 20 years was Cooper. Don't know what ever
>>>>>>>>>> happened to this story.
>>>>>>>>>> My guess is that he went into one of those lakes that dot the
>>>>>>>>>> countryside where he baled, got tangled up in the shrouds and
>>>>>>>>>> drowned. I think someone found some of the money in a stream bed
>>>>>>>>>> some time ago. This one will hang in there with some of the other
>>>>>>>>>> unsolved mysteries of our time.
>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps someday it will get solved :-)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Dudley Henriques
>>>>>>>> Ever seen the Amazon???
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Or what beer made from rice will do to a wellused urinary tract?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bertie
>>>>>> Ouch! That hurts. Pass me a cold one anyway!
>>>>>
>>>>> Getting on so one can't fly more than 15 minutes from a place to pee.
>>>>> Bertie
>>>> Being alone in the Mustang has it's good points :-)
>>>
>>> Being in a C-130 with its own john had even better points. :-)
>>
>> You multi guys have all the goodies!! I have to admit, "Fat Albert" is
>> one hell of an airplane :-))
>
> The stand-up thing was okay, but the sit-down can was different. It was
> just a can with a garbage sack liner. The rule was, the first guy who
> used it had to take the garbage sack in for disposal. I have seen guys
> hold it for more than 14 hours. They know: if they go first then
> everybody else in the plane will use it.

I think this is what they call "Military Intelligence"
:-)

--
Dudley Henriques

Dudley Henriques[_2_]

November 1st 07, 12:59 PM

Big John wrote:
> On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 23:39:31 -0400, Dudley Henriques
> > wrote:
>
>> Big John wrote:
>>> Bertie
>>>
>>> Your story reminds me of another true one :o)
>>>
>>> Had been flying the P-51 and the relief tube was just a cone like you
>>> describe. Used on many occasions and never had it freeze up.
>>>
>>> Transitioned to the P-80 and on a early flight had the urge. Pulled
>>> the cone out from under the seat and started to use and it rapidly
>>> filled up which necessitated a rapid stop of flow with all of its
>>> problems. Wiggled the hose around to see if it was pinched and still
>>> had a full cone in my left hand. Flew to home plate that way and
>>> retarded the throttle with my elbow and landed and taxied in. Crew
>>> Chief jumped on wing and I said, you need to fix this relief tube.
>>> It's clogged.
>>>
>>> He took it an there was a little metal lever on the side which he
>>> pushed and the cone drained on ramp. He then explained to me that in a
>>> pressurized cockpit the relief tube had to have a valve in it or
>>> cockpit pressure would bleed out relief tube.
>>>
>>> During future uses of tube, I found that I could depress the lever and
>>> the cockpit pressure going out would collect the liquid from about 6
>>> inches above cone. Of course you had to be careful that your 'tool'
>>> didn't get too close with the valve open or it could get sucked in.
>>> Ouch! :o(
>>>
>>> Now in my Mooney with 7 1/2 hours of fuel (built in fuselage tank) I
>>> had a coffee can with a plastic lid. Worked fine every time :o)
>>>
>>> Big John
>>>
>>> ************************************************** *****
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I had to pee bad into one of this ice cream cones attached to a
>>> ventura on the belly of a twin Beech once. Problem was, it was iced up
>>> and the damned thing was blowing instead of sucking. Of course, once
>>> you start....
>>>
>>> Bertie
>>>
>> Hi John;
>>
>> Who would have thought that between you, Bertie, and my, total flying
>> experience the three of us would end up here on Usenet discussing
>> ****ing in a cup :-)))))))))))))))))))
>> Dudley
> ************************************************** 88888
>
> Dudley
>
> We've told flying stories about everything else and that's all that's
> left :o)
>
> Big John

What an inglorious way to end a career :-))

--
Dudley Henriques

Big John

November 1st 07, 03:54 PM

Mortimer

Oh yes. He used a map and folded it like one of those paper hats the
kids make and used that, etc., etc.

If you keep up I'll have to tell the whole story. :o)

Big John
***********************************************

On Thu, 1 Nov 2007 04:57:57 -0400, "Mortimer Schnerd, RN"
<mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com> wrote:

>Big John wrote:
>>
>> If this keeps going, I'm going to have to tell the story about the guy
>> who did a #2 in a T-6 as an air cadet on one of his cross country
>> training flights :o)
>>
>
>
>Intentionally?

Morgans[_2_]

November 1st 07, 04:36 PM

"Big John" <> wrote

> If this keeps going, I'm going to have to tell the story about the guy
> who did a #2 in a T-6 as an air cadet on one of his cross country
> training flights :o)

Why hold back now? (the story, I mean <g>)

Did he get the sh*t scared out of him, or what?
--
Jim in NC

Dudley Henriques[_2_]

November 1st 07, 04:45 PM

Morgans wrote:
> "Big John" <> wrote
>
>> If this keeps going, I'm going to have to tell the story about the guy
>> who did a #2 in a T-6 as an air cadet on one of his cross country
>> training flights :o)
>
> Why hold back now? (the story, I mean <g>)
>
> Did he get the sh*t scared out of him, or what?

When ya gotta go ya gotta go.

If your the instructor and the guy who has to go is the student, it's
always fun to pull in a little positive pitch input every once in a
while; just enough to put about .5 positive g on the airplane. It
compresses the guy's butt into the seat just a bit and "enhances the
experience" for the instructor.
And to think that before this "crappy discussion" got started I had
almost forgotten how much fun it was teaching in these airplanes. :-))

--
Dudley Henriques

Big John

November 1st 07, 05:04 PM

On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 08:46:25 -0400, Dudley Henriques
> wrote:

>Big John wrote:
>> On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 22:42:33 -0400, Dudley Henriques
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Paul Tomblin wrote:
>>>> In a previous article, Dudley Henriques > said:
>>>>> Man, you haven't pee'd till you've pee'd into one of those funny looking
>>>>> red plastic pee containers at 30 thousand in an unpressurized cockpit on
>>>>> the way to a show site.
>>>> I read a story about an F-16 pilot who "returned his plane to the taxpayers"
>>>> due to a mishap while trying to pee in a piddle pack.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> That wouldn't be me. If you can't **** without losing the airplane,
>>> you're too stupid to fly :-)
>> **********************************************8
>>
>> Dudley
>>
>> If this keeps going, I'm going to have to tell the story about the guy
>> who did a #2 in a T-6 as an air cadet on one of his cross country
>> training flights :o)
>>
>> Big John
>
>Interesting! I've had passengers do that after some of my landings.
>:-)
************************************************** *********888

Dudley

OK, you asked for it. Another War Story :o)

Air Cadet was scheduled for a solo triangular cross country in the
T-6 from Stewart Air Field, Newburg, NY to Middletown then to DC
(that's when Student Pilots could land at Bolling Field) and then
home.

Cadet had come down with a bad case of diarrhea but wanted to complete
the X-country on schedule so didn't opt out.

Went to bath room just before take off and did his thing and took off
and was cruising along at 6-8K and the urge returned. Was about a hour
out from home plate if he turned back or an hour to Middletown next
stop so he opted to go on to Middletown.

After evaluating the situation he decided to do his thing in the bird.

1. He took a map and folded it into a cup and set aside.

2. Unfastened his seat belt (we didn't have shoulder harness in those
days)

3. Unfastened his parachute (seat pack) harness and wiggled out of it.

4. Unzipped his flight suit and took his arms out of it and pulled
down and took one leg out.

5. Took shorts down and also took one leg out.

6. This configuration left him able to fly the aircraft with
occasional hand on stick after he had trimmed it up best he could.

7. Put his feet on rudder peddles and shoulders against top of seat
and arched his back and lifted his butt off seat.

8. Slid the map cup under him on top of parachute and did his thing.
(Everything went into cup ok).

9. Still had the problem of wiping so tore a hunk out of his
undershirt and used it to clean himself up.

10. Slid cup out and set on floor boards.

11. Did the reverse. Back into shorts and pulled up. Back into flight
suit and pulled up and arms in and zipped up. Back into chute harness
and fastened straps. Fastened seat belt and all was done.

12. He then thought about landing with the full cup and having to
explain it so being in the upper half academically he crack the canopy
about 6 inches and carefully picked the cup up and with a fast motion
pushed the cup out into the slip stream on left side of aircraft. Zip
and the slip stream jerked the cup out of his hand and it disappeared.

13. Closed canopy and continued on with a smile on his face.

14. After landing at Middletown and taxing to parking area and shut
down, the line man jumped up on the wing and said what happened???
Cadet didn't know what he was tiling about?

15. After he got out he saw the poop had hit the fuselage starting by
rear cockpit and all the way back to the horizontal stabilizer where
the map had hit and stuck on leading edge. Line man got a bucket of
water and some rags and while the rest of us watched and made comments
:o) he washed the airplane clean.

Rest of X-coutry went well for him and after graduation he made
General. Just goes to show you that someone that smart can go to the
top :o)

Honest to God true story.

And now you know :o)

Big John

Dudley Henriques[_2_]

November 1st 07, 06:39 PM

Big John wrote:
> On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 08:46:25 -0400, Dudley Henriques
> > wrote:
>
>> Big John wrote:
>>> On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 22:42:33 -0400, Dudley Henriques
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Paul Tomblin wrote:
>>>>> In a previous article, Dudley Henriques > said:
>>>>>> Man, you haven't pee'd till you've pee'd into one of those funny looking
>>>>>> red plastic pee containers at 30 thousand in an unpressurized cockpit on
>>>>>> the way to a show site.
>>>>> I read a story about an F-16 pilot who "returned his plane to the taxpayers"
>>>>> due to a mishap while trying to pee in a piddle pack.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> That wouldn't be me. If you can't **** without losing the airplane,
>>>> you're too stupid to fly :-)
>>> **********************************************8
>>>
>>> Dudley
>>>
>>> If this keeps going, I'm going to have to tell the story about the guy
>>> who did a #2 in a T-6 as an air cadet on one of his cross country
>>> training flights :o)
>>>
>>> Big John
>> Interesting! I've had passengers do that after some of my landings.
>> :-)
> ************************************************** *********888
>
> Dudley
>
> OK, you asked for it. Another War Story :o)
>
> Air Cadet was scheduled for a solo triangular cross country in the
> T-6 from Stewart Air Field, Newburg, NY to Middletown then to DC
> (that's when Student Pilots could land at Bolling Field) and then
> home.
>
> Cadet had come down with a bad case of diarrhea but wanted to complete
> the X-country on schedule so didn't opt out.
>
> Went to bath room just before take off and did his thing and took off
> and was cruising along at 6-8K and the urge returned. Was about a hour
> out from home plate if he turned back or an hour to Middletown next
> stop so he opted to go on to Middletown.
>
> After evaluating the situation he decided to do his thing in the bird.
>
> 1. He took a map and folded it into a cup and set aside.
>
> 2. Unfastened his seat belt (we didn't have shoulder harness in those
> days)
>
> 3. Unfastened his parachute (seat pack) harness and wiggled out of it.
>
> 4. Unzipped his flight suit and took his arms out of it and pulled
> down and took one leg out.
>
> 5. Took shorts down and also took one leg out.
>
> 6. This configuration left him able to fly the aircraft with
> occasional hand on stick after he had trimmed it up best he could.
>
> 7. Put his feet on rudder peddles and shoulders against top of seat
> and arched his back and lifted his butt off seat.
>
> 8. Slid the map cup under him on top of parachute and did his thing.
> (Everything went into cup ok).
>
> 9. Still had the problem of wiping so tore a hunk out of his
> undershirt and used it to clean himself up.
>
> 10. Slid cup out and set on floor boards.
>
> 11. Did the reverse. Back into shorts and pulled up. Back into flight
> suit and pulled up and arms in and zipped up. Back into chute harness
> and fastened straps. Fastened seat belt and all was done.
>
> 12. He then thought about landing with the full cup and having to
> explain it so being in the upper half academically he crack the canopy
> about 6 inches and carefully picked the cup up and with a fast motion
> pushed the cup out into the slip stream on left side of aircraft. Zip
> and the slip stream jerked the cup out of his hand and it disappeared.
>
> 13. Closed canopy and continued on with a smile on his face.
>
> 14. After landing at Middletown and taxing to parking area and shut
> down, the line man jumped up on the wing and said what happened???
> Cadet didn't know what he was tiling about?
>
> 15. After he got out he saw the poop had hit the fuselage starting by
> rear cockpit and all the way back to the horizontal stabilizer where
> the map had hit and stuck on leading edge. Line man got a bucket of
> water and some rags and while the rest of us watched and made comments
> :o) he washed the airplane clean.
>
> Rest of X-coutry went well for him and after graduation he made
> General. Just goes to show you that someone that smart can go to the
> top :o)
>
> Honest to God true story.
>
> And now you know :o)
>
> Big John

I like pilots who can "improvise" :-))

--
Dudley Henriques

Morgans[_2_]

November 1st 07, 09:32 PM

"Dudley Henriques" > wrote

> If you're the instructor and the guy who has to go is the student, it's
> always fun to pull in a little positive pitch input every once in a while;
> just enough to put about .5 positive g on the airplane. It compresses the
> guy's butt into the seat just a bit and "enhances the experience" for the
> instructor.
> And to think that before this "crappy discussion" got started I had almost
> forgotten how much fun it was teaching in these airplanes. :-))

Yep. I'm sure that many things not mention here have taken place in times
of need.

About the pulling the extra .5 G, that would be fun - for the instructor.
;-) I would imagine some quick oscillations between -.5 and quickly back to
1.5 a few times would increase the pain and pleasure in an even better way.
Of course, there is the old test pilot bit about checking a new bird for
flutter by "rapping the stick" with the butt of your hand. A quick
succession of those would be good to try, too.

I'm really quite evil, (in a calm kind of way) when I put my mind to it! <g>

I had recently talked about driving school bus, some. I had a couple
students in class that I enjoyed, and we liked to have fun kidding each
other, and they also rode the bus home every day. They were the last off,
or close to it, and had probably been riding for close to an hour and a half
before they got off. One of them made the mistake of telling me that they
had started the ride with a big bottle of Coke, and needed to relieve
themselves very soon, and would be glad to get off the bus.

I said, "Oh, it was a BIG mistake to tell me that!" I then proceeded to hit
every pothole (there were plenty of them on this backroad route) and rattled
the bus impressively. They were truly begging for mercy, in short order.
After a couple more good bumps, I relented. <g>
--
Jim in NC

Dudley Henriques[_2_]

November 1st 07, 10:06 PM

Morgans wrote:
> "Dudley Henriques" > wrote
>
>> If you're the instructor and the guy who has to go is the student, it's
>> always fun to pull in a little positive pitch input every once in a while;
>> just enough to put about .5 positive g on the airplane. It compresses the
>> guy's butt into the seat just a bit and "enhances the experience" for the
>> instructor.
>> And to think that before this "crappy discussion" got started I had almost
>> forgotten how much fun it was teaching in these airplanes. :-))
>
> Yep. I'm sure that many things not mention here have taken place in times
> of need.
>
> About the pulling the extra .5 G, that would be fun - for the instructor.
> ;-) I would imagine some quick oscillations between -.5 and quickly back to
> 1.5 a few times would increase the pain and pleasure in an even better way.
> Of course, there is the old test pilot bit about checking a new bird for
> flutter by "rapping the stick" with the butt of your hand. A quick
> succession of those would be good to try, too.
>
> I'm really quite evil, (in a calm kind of way) when I put my mind to it! <g>
>
> I had recently talked about driving school bus, some. I had a couple
> students in class that I enjoyed, and we liked to have fun kidding each
> other, and they also rode the bus home every day. They were the last off,
> or close to it, and had probably been riding for close to an hour and a half
> before they got off. One of them made the mistake of telling me that they
> had started the ride with a big bottle of Coke, and needed to relieve
> themselves very soon, and would be glad to get off the bus.
>
> I said, "Oh, it was a BIG mistake to tell me that!" I then proceeded to hit
> every pothole (there were plenty of them on this backroad route) and rattled
> the bus impressively. They were truly begging for mercy, in short order.
> After a couple more good bumps, I relented. <g>

I'm a rather dubious character myself and I have what my wife calls a
"slightly twisted" sense of humor.
In the old days it was things like bouncing heads off the canopy doing
snaps in the S2 Pitts and taking people for pleasure flights carrying a
thick looseleaf notebook with me out to the airplane with the title
stenciled in bold white letters on the front "HOW TO FLY".
But my absolute best was our next door neighbors dog routine.
The people next door had this nutcase of a Rotweiler who had this
idiosyncrasy of being totally docile UNLESS someone made eye contact
with him. As soon as he locked eyeballs with someone he would go
absolutely nuts, charge the person, stop short and stand there barking
like hell at them. He was harmless enough but unfortunately I wasn't :-)

Anytime we had new people at the house, and I knew the dog was in the
yard next door, my wife would cringe as I deviously set the trap.
I'd tell the people that no matter what happened, no matter how strong
the temptation, when they left, no matter what, they should NOT make eye
contact with the dog next door.

Of course the instant you tell someone NOT to do something like that,
they will HAVE to do it. The temptation and human nature being what they
are :-))
Anyway, I'd clue everybody who was staying in on what to expect, and
we'd all just sit there waiting.
The door would close and within 2 seconds (I think that was the record)
the entire house would reverberate with the sound of a snaling and
barking dog!!
What a hoot!! I think the dog lived for 15 years. He never once let me down!

And you don't even want to know about the cat and the can opener :-))
DH

--
Dudley Henriques

Morgans[_2_]

November 2nd 07, 12:19 AM

"Dudley Henriques" < wrote

> What a hoot!! I think the dog lived for 15 years. He never once let me
> down!
>
> And you don't even want to know about the cat and the can opener :-))

***********************************
Damn, I hate that. Say something like the above statement, and expect that
nobody will ask?

Of course not! Like you said, for locking eyes with the dog. It's human
nature to ask about it, when you tell us NOT to ask.

But you knew that someone would want to know about the cat and the can!
(and 'prolly knew it would be me to ask first! <g>)

So, spill it, already! <GGG>
--
Jim in NC

M.W. Barrow

November 2nd 07, 12:21 AM

"Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
...

>
> I'm a rather dubious character myself and I have what my wife calls a
> "slightly twisted" sense of humor.

I'd use a more ferverent adjective :~)

> In the old days it was things like bouncing heads off the canopy doing
> snaps in the S2 Pitts and taking people for pleasure flights carrying a
> thick looseleaf notebook with me out to the airplane with the title
> stenciled in bold white letters on the front "HOW TO FLY".
> But my absolute best was our next door neighbors dog routine.
> The people next door had this nutcase of a Rotweiler who had this
> idiosyncrasy of being totally docile UNLESS someone made eye contact with
> him. As soon as he locked eyeballs with someone he would go absolutely
> nuts, charge the person, stop short and stand there barking like hell at
> them. He was harmless enough but unfortunately I wasn't :-)
>
> Anytime we had new people at the house, and I knew the dog was in the yard
> next door, my wife would cringe as I deviously set the trap.
> I'd tell the people that no matter what happened, no matter how strong the
> temptation, when they left, no matter what, they should NOT make eye
> contact with the dog next door.

I used to do something like that with visitors to our house with the gopher
snakes that would hang around once in a while. Ya' know, to most city
slickers, there's no distinction between a gopher snake and a rattler,
especially if you pick one up (using a glove, of course).

Hence, my wife's more fervent description on my sense of humor.

--
Matt Barrow
Performance Homes, LLC.
Cheyenne, WY

muff528

November 2nd 07, 12:45 AM

"Big John" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 08:46:25 -0400, Dudley Henriques
> > wrote:
>
>>Big John wrote:
>>> On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 22:42:33 -0400, Dudley Henriques
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Paul Tomblin wrote:
>>>>> In a previous article, Dudley Henriques > said:
>>>>>> Man, you haven't pee'd till you've pee'd into one of those funny
>>>>>> looking
>>>>>> red plastic pee containers at 30 thousand in an unpressurized cockpit
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> the way to a show site.
>>>>> I read a story about an F-16 pilot who "returned his plane to the
>>>>> taxpayers"
>>>>> due to a mishap while trying to pee in a piddle pack.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> That wouldn't be me. If you can't **** without losing the airplane,
>>>> you're too stupid to fly :-)
>>> **********************************************8
>>>
>>> Dudley
>>>
>>> If this keeps going, I'm going to have to tell the story about the guy
>>> who did a #2 in a T-6 as an air cadet on one of his cross country
>>> training flights :o)
>>>
>>> Big John
>>
>>Interesting! I've had passengers do that after some of my landings.
>>:-)
> ************************************************** *********888
>
> Dudley
>
> OK, you asked for it. Another War Story :o)
>
> Air Cadet was scheduled for a solo triangular cross country in the
> T-6 from Stewart Air Field, Newburg, NY to Middletown then to DC
> (that's when Student Pilots could land at Bolling Field) and then
> home.
>
> Cadet had come down with a bad case of diarrhea but wanted to complete
> the X-country on schedule so didn't opt out.
>
> Went to bath room just before take off and did his thing and took off
> and was cruising along at 6-8K and the urge returned. Was about a hour
> out from home plate if he turned back or an hour to Middletown next
> stop so he opted to go on to Middletown.
>
> After evaluating the situation he decided to do his thing in the bird.
>
> 1. He took a map and folded it into a cup and set aside.
>
> 2. Unfastened his seat belt (we didn't have shoulder harness in those
> days)
>
> 3. Unfastened his parachute (seat pack) harness and wiggled out of it.
>
> 4. Unzipped his flight suit and took his arms out of it and pulled
> down and took one leg out.
>
> 5. Took shorts down and also took one leg out.
>
> 6. This configuration left him able to fly the aircraft with
> occasional hand on stick after he had trimmed it up best he could.
>
> 7. Put his feet on rudder peddles and shoulders against top of seat
> and arched his back and lifted his butt off seat.
>
> 8. Slid the map cup under him on top of parachute and did his thing.
> (Everything went into cup ok).
>
> 9. Still had the problem of wiping so tore a hunk out of his
> undershirt and used it to clean himself up.
>
> 10. Slid cup out and set on floor boards.
>
> 11. Did the reverse. Back into shorts and pulled up. Back into flight
> suit and pulled up and arms in and zipped up. Back into chute harness
> and fastened straps. Fastened seat belt and all was done.
>
> 12. He then thought about landing with the full cup and having to
> explain it so being in the upper half academically he crack the canopy
> about 6 inches and carefully picked the cup up and with a fast motion
> pushed the cup out into the slip stream on left side of aircraft. Zip
> and the slip stream jerked the cup out of his hand and it disappeared.
>
> 13. Closed canopy and continued on with a smile on his face.
>
> 14. After landing at Middletown and taxing to parking area and shut
> down, the line man jumped up on the wing and said what happened???
> Cadet didn't know what he was tiling about?
>
> 15. After he got out he saw the poop had hit the fuselage starting by
> rear cockpit and all the way back to the horizontal stabilizer where
> the map had hit and stuck on leading edge. Line man got a bucket of
> water and some rags and while the rest of us watched and made comments
> :o) he washed the airplane clean.
>
> Rest of X-coutry went well for him and after graduation he made
> General. Just goes to show you that someone that smart can go to the
> top :o)
>
> Honest to God true story.
>
> And now you know :o)
>
> Big John

Must not have been a REAL bad case of diarrhea or he probably wouldn't have
been able to read all the instructions, much less get past step 2.....or 3
at the most. :^)

BS, TP

Dudley Henriques[_2_]

November 2nd 07, 12:57 AM

Morgans wrote:
> "Dudley Henriques" < wrote
>
>> What a hoot!! I think the dog lived for 15 years. He never once let me
>> down!
>>
>> And you don't even want to know about the cat and the can opener :-))
>
> ***********************************
> Damn, I hate that. Say something like the above statement, and expect that
> nobody will ask?
>
> Of course not! Like you said, for locking eyes with the dog. It's human
> nature to ask about it, when you tell us NOT to ask.
>
> But you knew that someone would want to know about the cat and the can!
> (and 'prolly knew it would be me to ask first! <g>)
>
> So, spill it, already! <GGG>

Well......first of all, you need to own a cat (actually an oxymoron).
Then you have to be at a party with friends that will be attending a
party of your own in about a week's time.
You plant the seed by calmly interjecting into the conversation at some
point that you have the smartest cat in the entire world; a cat who is
SO smart he uses a can opener to open his own cat food each day.

Naturally there is laughter and disbelief at this announcement. You just
let it ride and say little more about it.

Now comes the good part. The day of your own party to be attended by the
same people at the last one where you mentioned the cat, you attach a
can opener to the wall about 3 inches from the floor in the room next to
the one the party will be in and stack 3 cans of cat food next to it.
The people arrive and the fun starts when people begin to wander around
notice the can opener and cat food and begin to remember vaguely what
you had said about the cat.

If you're really lucky, the party can go quite a while with people not
actually wanting to be the first ask to see the cat do the opening and
it's a real hoot watching people meander into the other room every two
minutes or so just in case they might be missing the cat opening the
food with the opener. Where it REALLY gets funny is when and if the cat
actually walks into the other room. I've actually seen the cat start a
fair sized stampede following him when this happened :-)
Finally after everybody has been totally convinced that the cat CAN
actually open the food this way, you give in and tell them it was a gag.
Then RUN!! :-)
You can only do this once with the same gang, but it's great fun.

--
Dudley Henriques

Gatt

November 2nd 07, 12:59 AM

"Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
...

> Man, you haven't pee'd till you've pee'd into one of those funny looking
> red plastic pee containers at 30 thousand in an unpressurized >cockpit on
> the way to a show site.

I wondered how the fighter pilots managed that sort of thing.

The author of "Wing Ding"--a rascal of a gentleman who was a B-17
tailgunner--told me the first time he saw a FW-190 he was suffering from
severe gas cramps and trying to take a dump in his flak helmet--armor, mae
west, flying suit, bunny suit, uniform, long johns, all down-- and trying
not to touch bare skin to metal.

Apparently it had an amazing laxative effect.

-c

Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]

November 2nd 07, 02:34 AM

"Gatt" > wrote in
:

>
> "Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> Man, you haven't pee'd till you've pee'd into one of those funny
>> looking red plastic pee containers at 30 thousand in an unpressurized
>> >cockpit on the way to a show site.
>
> I wondered how the fighter pilots managed that sort of thing.
>
> The author of "Wing Ding"--a rascal of a gentleman who was a B-17
> tailgunner--told me the first time he saw a FW-190 he was suffering
> from severe gas cramps and trying to take a dump in his flak
> helmet--armor, mae west, flying suit, bunny suit, uniform, long johns,
> all down-- and trying not to touch bare skin to metal.
>

Did that once in the tail of a DC-3. It was very very cold outside and I
went to the tail to pee, kneeling, in the bucket-with-a-hole-in-the-bottom
in turbulence and managed to touch it. ouch.

Bertie

Mortimer Schnerd, RN[_2_]

November 2nd 07, 03:05 AM

Gatt wrote:
> Apparently it had an amazing laxative effect.

Alright... a true story. It happened to the guy who taught me how to fly along
with a good friend of mine back in the day when he and I were both building
hours towards a charter job at our FBO.

There was a junk yard across from the airport that had an owner who drank too
much and required periodic trips to a hospital to be dried out. He was
successful financially so his family didn't mind spending money on his care.

One afternoon, my old instructor Terry was asked by his boss to fly down to New
Orleans in one of the Twin Commanches, pick up the drunk and then fly him back
to a private facility in Statesboro, GA. He asked John to go along for the ride
and to help control the sot once they'd found him.

The flight from South Carolina to New Orleans was uneventful. They even found
their target when they got down there so they loaded him into the back of the
twin. He was drunk but happily compliant. Terry figured the best thing to do
was to go high and let the thin air put the drunk to sleep, so he climbed up to
10,000 in the night sky. The drunk either passed out or went to sleep. So far
so good.

But not for long. At some point he woke up and told Terry he needed to "land
this thing". "Why?", asked Terry. "I've got to go to the bathroom", said the
drunk. Well, they weren't inclined to land just for that so John gave him a
coke bottle to use. Silence from the back.

All of the sudden, there came the most horrendous odor from the back of the
plane. The drunk was trying to **** into the coke bottle! I have to tell you
his best efforts weren't good enough. I suspect if there had been an ejection
seat, it would have been used that night.

Consternation in the cockpit: they handed him a chart to wipe himself and made
a beeline for Statesboro. When they got there, the drunk steadied himself on
the side of the airplane leaving as brown streak smeared down the side. John
and Terry delivered him to the hospital posthaste.

They then flew the newly decorated twin back to our FBO, where they arrived
about 15 minutes before the boss did. They parked the aircraft immediately in
front of the FBO and beat a hasty retreat to their homes, where the phones were
taken off the hooks.

True story. I didn't even change the names as there were no innocents. <G>

--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com

ManhattanMan

November 2nd 07, 03:13 AM

Mortimer Schnerd, RN wrote:
> of the plane. The drunk was trying to **** into the coke bottle!

OMG - there is drunk, and there is DRUNK!!! I don't know how anyone could
stay concious and be that dumb!!

Morgans[_2_]

November 2nd 07, 03:41 AM

"Dudley Henriques" <> wrote

> Finally after everybody has been totally convinced that the cat CAN
> actually open the food this way, you give in and tell them it was a gag.
> Then RUN!! :-)
> You can only do this once with the same gang, but it's great fun.

LOL ! ! !

That is one of the best gags I have heard in some time! I really did laugh
out loud!

You're my kinda' people. I only wish I had come up with that one!
--
Jim in NC

Dudley Henriques[_2_]

November 2nd 07, 03:44 AM

Morgans wrote:
> "Dudley Henriques" <> wrote
>
>> Finally after everybody has been totally convinced that the cat CAN
>> actually open the food this way, you give in and tell them it was a gag.
>> Then RUN!! :-)
>> You can only do this once with the same gang, but it's great fun.
>
> LOL ! ! !
>
> That is one of the best gags I have heard in some time! I really did laugh
> out loud!
>
> You're my kinda' people. I only wish I had come up with that one!

Be careful. This is what happens when you get too old to fly!
:-)

--
Dudley Henriques

Morgans[_2_]

November 2nd 07, 04:10 AM

"Dudley Henriques" <> wrote

> Be careful. This is what happens when you get too old to fly!
> :-)

Not there yet!

Hopefully that day will come one day *after* they put me in the ground.
--
Jim in NC

Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]

November 2nd 07, 12:55 PM

"Mortimer Schnerd, RN" <mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com> wrote in
:

> Gatt wrote:
>> Apparently it had an amazing laxative effect.
>
>
> Alright... a true story. It happened to the guy who taught me how to
> fly along with a good friend of mine back in the day when he and I
> were both building hours towards a charter job at our FBO.
>
> There was a junk yard across from the airport that had an owner who
> drank too much and required periodic trips to a hospital to be dried
> out. He was successful financially so his family didn't mind spending
> money on his care.
>
> One afternoon, my old instructor Terry was asked by his boss to fly
> down to New Orleans in one of the Twin Commanches, pick up the drunk
> and then fly him back to a private facility in Statesboro, GA. He
> asked John to go along for the ride and to help control the sot once
> they'd found him.
>
> The flight from South Carolina to New Orleans was uneventful. They
> even found their target when they got down there so they loaded him
> into the back of the twin. He was drunk but happily compliant. Terry
> figured the best thing to do was to go high and let the thin air put
> the drunk to sleep, so he climbed up to 10,000 in the night sky. The
> drunk either passed out or went to sleep. So far so good.
>
> But not for long. At some point he woke up and told Terry he needed
> to "land this thing". "Why?", asked Terry. "I've got to go to the
> bathroom", said the drunk. Well, they weren't inclined to land just
> for that so John gave him a coke bottle to use. Silence from the
> back.
>
> All of the sudden, there came the most horrendous odor from the back
> of the plane. The drunk was trying to **** into the coke bottle! I
> have to tell you his best efforts weren't good enough. I suspect if
> there had been an ejection seat, it would have been used that night.
>
> Consternation in the cockpit: they handed him a chart to wipe himself
> and made a beeline for Statesboro. When they got there, the drunk
> steadied himself on the side of the airplane leaving as brown streak
> smeared down the side. John and Terry delivered him to the hospital
> posthaste.
>
> They then flew the newly decorated twin back to our FBO, where they
> arrived about 15 minutes before the boss did. They parked the
> aircraft immediately in front of the FBO and beat a hasty retreat to
> their homes, where the phones were taken off the hooks.
>
> True story. I didn't even change the names as there were no
> innocents. <G>
>
>
>

Yech!

Excellent story, though.

Bertie

Gatt

November 2nd 07, 07:38 PM

By coincidence they had a story on the local news about ol' DB last night.

Apparently, one of the parachutes the FBI gave him was a dummy. DOH!

-c

Gatt

November 2nd 07, 10:03 PM

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
.. .

>> They then flew the newly decorated twin back to our FBO, where they
>> arrived about 15 minutes before the boss did. They parked the
>> aircraft immediately in front of the FBO and beat a hasty retreat to
>> their homes, where the phones were taken off the hooks.
>>
>> True story. I didn't even change the names as there were no
>> innocents. <G>
>
> Excellent story, though.

My wife studied German in high school and her instructor, whom she still
refers to as "Herr Boost", was a Luftwaffe Ju-52 pilot. During the war he
hated the Nazis because he said before the war you voted for Hitler or you
voted for somebody else and signed your name on the ballot. His father and
older brother voted for somebody other than Hitler, and disappeared.

Herr Boost became a pilot so he wouldn't have to join the army, and flew
poorly so they wouldn't make him a fighter pilot. He ended up shuttling
around Gestapo, and at one point an SS officer whom he particularly detested
insisted to the crew that he had to urinate. They told them there was no
appropriate facility onboard, and the officer apparently replied and that
they had better land the airplane "or else." Boost was convinced he
wouldn't survive the war, and passed the message back for the pilot to
urinate out the door of the aircraft.

The slipstream apparently sprayed it all right back over his body such that
he had urine all over his perfect SS uniform. Sharon says he loved telling
that story. (She speaks very little German. Says he liked to show them Das
Boot, serve Rheinlander fondue and impart old German wisdom such as "Marry a
woman for money. Beauty is worthless" and "In Germany, the biggest vehicle
has the right of way.")

I hope I didn't just Godwin the discussion. It's ...fascinating. :>

-c

Judah

November 2nd 07, 10:37 PM

Big John > wrote in
:

> 12. He then thought about landing with the full cup and having to
> explain it so being in the upper half academically he crack the canopy
> about 6 inches and carefully picked the cup up and with a fast motion
> pushed the cup out into the slip stream on left side of aircraft. Zip
> and the slip stream jerked the cup out of his hand and it disappeared.
>
> 13. Closed canopy and continued on with a smile on his face.

I gotta say. I read this and all I could think of was a story of my own. (I
realize I haven't earned the right to tell stories in the same thread as you
pros, but I thought you might enjoy this one...)

Flying along in a Bonanza, 2 hours into a 3.25 hr trip. Unlike you fancy
types, us Bo guys only get to pee into coffee cups or portable gel bags.
Turns out all I had that day was a mostly empty bottle of Diet Pepsi (which
probably contributed to the problem in the first place).

Well, clearly there was more to the problem than the soda I had been sipping
on for a couple of hours, because I had to make a serious effort to stop
myself before overflowing the bottle. (On a side note, I'm no John Holmes,
but Pepsi bottlenecks are much narrower than they look!)

Anyway, I return the bottle to full, and as Bertie already pointed out,
bladder inertia was working very hard to ensure that I was not satisfied even
though I had just put 15 or so of the 20 ozs back in the bottle.

"No problem," I think outloud. The Bonanza has a window.

I slow the plane down quite a bit (placarded for 145kts) and pop the window
open. Carefully, I lift the bottle out the window (I don't want to drop it
for more than a handful of reasons)... Slowly I turn the bottle over to begin
to empty the bottle.

The resulting splash in the face was just enough to jog my memory of the
chapter about venturi effects that I read years back when getting my
private...

Eventually I was able to stretch my arm far enough out and back so that most
of the bottle was being emptied outside the cockpit.

Having learned my lesson, I sealed the refill up to discard on the ground.
One of the line men at the FBO thought it was interesting that my Pepsi
bottle looked like more like a Mountain Dew.

Anyway, the moral of the story is that I am glad that the Cadet in the
aforementioned story was able to walk away with a big smile, instead of a big
turd, on his face...

Thanks for sharing!

Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]

November 2nd 07, 10:54 PM

"Gatt" > wrote in
:

>
> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> .. .
>
>>> They then flew the newly decorated twin back to our FBO, where they
>>> arrived about 15 minutes before the boss did. They parked the
>>> aircraft immediately in front of the FBO and beat a hasty retreat to
>>> their homes, where the phones were taken off the hooks.
>>>
>>> True story. I didn't even change the names as there were no
>>> innocents. <G>
>>
>> Excellent story, though.
>
> My wife studied German in high school and her instructor, whom she
> still refers to as "Herr Boost", was a Luftwaffe Ju-52 pilot. During
> the war he hated the Nazis because he said before the war you voted
> for Hitler or you voted for somebody else and signed your name on the
> ballot. His father and older brother voted for somebody other than
> Hitler, and disappeared.
>
> Herr Boost became a pilot so he wouldn't have to join the army, and
> flew poorly so they wouldn't make him a fighter pilot. He ended up
> shuttling around Gestapo, and at one point an SS officer whom he
> particularly detested insisted to the crew that he had to urinate.
> They told them there was no appropriate facility onboard, and the
> officer apparently replied and that they had better land the airplane
> "or else." Boost was convinced he wouldn't survive the war, and
> passed the message back for the pilot to urinate out the door of the
> aircraft.
>
> The slipstream apparently sprayed it all right back over his body such
> that he had urine all over his perfect SS uniform. Sharon says he
> loved telling that story. (She speaks very little German. Says he
> liked to show them Das Boot, serve Rheinlander fondue and impart old
> German wisdom such as "Marry a woman for money. Beauty is worthless"
> and "In Germany, the biggest vehicle has the right of way.")
>
> I hope I didn't just Godwin the discussion. It's ...fascinating. :>
>
> -c
>

It is!¬ And not a POV you hear very often.

You get to hear plenty of od AAC stories (well, not so much these days)
but not so many Luftwaffe stories.

Bertie

Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]

November 2nd 07, 11:12 PM

Judah > wrote in
:

> Big John > wrote in
> :
>
>> 12. He then thought about landing with the full cup and having to
>> explain it so being in the upper half academically he crack the
>> canopy about 6 inches and carefully picked the cup up and with a fast
>> motion pushed the cup out into the slip stream on left side of
>> aircraft. Zip and the slip stream jerked the cup out of his hand and
>> it disappeared.
>>
>> 13. Closed canopy and continued on with a smile on his face.
>
>
> I gotta say. I read this and all I could think of was a story of my
> own. (I realize I haven't earned the right to tell stories in the same
> thread as you pros, but I thought you might enjoy this one...)
>
>
> Flying along in a Bonanza, 2 hours into a 3.25 hr trip. Unlike you
> fancy types, us Bo guys only get to pee into coffee cups or portable
> gel bags. Turns out all I had that day was a mostly empty bottle of
> Diet Pepsi (which probably contributed to the problem in the first
> place).
>
> Well, clearly there was more to the problem than the soda I had been
> sipping on for a couple of hours, because I had to make a serious
> effort to stop myself before overflowing the bottle. (On a side note,
> I'm no John Holmes, but Pepsi bottlenecks are much narrower than they
> look!)
>
> Anyway, I return the bottle to full, and as Bertie already pointed
> out, bladder inertia was working very hard to ensure that I was not
> satisfied even though I had just put 15 or so of the 20 ozs back in
> the bottle.
>
> "No problem," I think outloud. The Bonanza has a window.
>
> I slow the plane down quite a bit (placarded for 145kts) and pop the
> window open. Carefully, I lift the bottle out the window (I don't want
> to drop it for more than a handful of reasons)... Slowly I turn the
> bottle over to begin to empty the bottle.
>
> The resulting splash in the face was just enough to jog my memory of
> the chapter about venturi effects that I read years back when getting
> my private...
>
> Eventually I was able to stretch my arm far enough out and back so
> that most of the bottle was being emptied outside the cockpit.
>
> Having learned my lesson, I sealed the refill up to discard on the
> ground. One of the line men at the FBO thought it was interesting that
> my Pepsi bottle looked like more like a Mountain Dew.
>
> Anyway, the moral of the story is that I am glad that the Cadet in the
> aforementioned story was able to walk away with a big smile, instead
> of a big turd, on his face...

Snort! Something you're not going to learn at your Cessna pilot center.

but it couldn't have been a venturi effect! We'ver been reliably
informed by jon and Anthony that there is no such thing..

Bertie

Gatt

November 2nd 07, 11:21 PM

"Judah" > wrote in message
. ..

> I slow the plane down quite a bit (placarded for 145kts) and pop the
> window
> open. Carefully, I lift the bottle out the window (I don't want to drop it
> for more than a handful of reasons)... Slowly I turn the bottle over to
> begin
> to empty the bottle...

Given that I'm far more likely to do something like that than take a dump in
a T-38 or whiz out the side of a JU-52, it's a useful story.

Thank you for ensuring that I'll never make that mistake. :>

-c

Judah

November 2nd 07, 11:30 PM

"Gatt" > wrote in
:

> "Judah" > wrote in message
> . ..
>
>> I slow the plane down quite a bit (placarded for 145kts) and pop the
>> window
>> open. Carefully, I lift the bottle out the window (I don't want to drop
>> it for more than a handful of reasons)... Slowly I turn the bottle over
>> to begin
>> to empty the bottle...
>
> Given that I'm far more likely to do something like that than take a
> dump in a T-38 or whiz out the side of a JU-52, it's a useful story.
>
> Thank you for ensuring that I'll never make that mistake. :>

The trick is to make sure the bottle is tilted into the wind until it's far
enough back that it won't blow back into the window... After a few tries,
I've now become a pro, and am no longer afraid to use a bottle as a single-
engine lavatory. But I switched to Gatorade because it's MUCH easier to
navigate the bigger opening. (Just don't buy the lemon-lime version in case
you have a senior moment.)

I shared the story with one of my fellow flight club members. He then
shared a similar experience that he had during winter. Apparently, if it's
cold enough at altitude, the liquid in the bottle will freeze before it
gets back into the cockpit.

Unfortunately, most of it will freeze to your arm or sleeve... :)

Al G[_1_]

November 2nd 07, 11:35 PM

"Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
...
> Big John wrote:
>> Bertie
>>
>> Your story reminds me of another true one :o)
>>
>> Had been flying the P-51 and the relief tube was just a cone like you
>> describe. Used on many occasions and never had it freeze up.
>>
>> Transitioned to the P-80 and on a early flight had the urge. Pulled
>> the cone out from under the seat and started to use and it rapidly
>> filled up which necessitated a rapid stop of flow with all of its
>> problems. Wiggled the hose around to see if it was pinched and still
>> had a full cone in my left hand. Flew to home plate that way and
>> retarded the throttle with my elbow and landed and taxied in. Crew
>> Chief jumped on wing and I said, you need to fix this relief tube.
>> It's clogged. He took it an there was a little metal lever on the side
>> which he
>> pushed and the cone drained on ramp. He then explained to me that in a
>> pressurized cockpit the relief tube had to have a valve in it or
>> cockpit pressure would bleed out relief tube.
>>
>> During future uses of tube, I found that I could depress the lever and
>> the cockpit pressure going out would collect the liquid from about 6
>> inches above cone. Of course you had to be careful that your 'tool'
>> didn't get too close with the valve open or it could get sucked in.
>> Ouch! :o(
>>
>> Now in my Mooney with 7 1/2 hours of fuel (built in fuselage tank) I
>> had a coffee can with a plastic lid. Worked fine every time :o)
>>
>> Big John
>>
>> ************************************************** *****
>>
>>
>>
>> I had to pee bad into one of this ice cream cones attached to a
>> ventura on the belly of a twin Beech once. Problem was, it was iced up
>> and the damned thing was blowing instead of sucking. Of course, once
>> you start.... Bertie
>>
> Hi John;
>
> Who would have thought that between you, Bertie, and my, total flying
> experience the three of us would end up here on Usenet discussing ****ing
> in a cup :-)))))))))))))))))))
> Dudley
>
> --
> Dudley Henriques

CUP? At least you had a cup. Why, when I was young...

I did have a Lt Jg, try the "bag o' ****" trick with the
freefall chute on a P-3C one time. The Old Man made him wash the aft end
afterward, much to the amusement of the enlisted cadre.

Al G

Gatt

November 2nd 07, 11:53 PM

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
.. .
> "Gatt" > wrote in

> You get to hear plenty of od AAC stories (well, not so much these days)
> but not so many Luftwaffe stories.

I convinced my wife to rustle him up (he had retired), to arrange a tour of
the Evergreen B-17 back when it was at the Portland hangar, and he left a
message on my answering machine. Man ... I get chills now remembering
hearing "My name is Herr Boost" on my answering machine and thinking
"Luftwaffe."

When we returned the call his wife answered and said he'd suffered a stroke,
but didn't talk about the war anymore anyway. My wife still gets emotional
recalling his reaction when a freshman student absent-mindedly drew a
swastika on her desk while he was lecturing. Apparently it was pretty
heartbreaking. I hoped he would let me record for the museum his telling of
the SS officer story and, more importantly, his statements to his students
that what history teaches of the Nazis and the Holocaust is truth.

Who knows. That phone call was eight or ten years ago. Do you think it be
appropriate to call him and try again?

-c

Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe

November 3rd 07, 12:14 AM

"Gatt" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Judah" > wrote in message
> . ..
>
>> I slow the plane down quite a bit (placarded for 145kts) and pop the
>> window
>> open. Carefully, I lift the bottle out the window (I don't want to drop
>> it
>> for more than a handful of reasons)... Slowly I turn the bottle over to
>> begin
>> to empty the bottle...
>
> Given that I'm far more likely to do something like that than take a dump
> in a T-38 or whiz out the side of a JU-52, it's a useful story.
>
> Thank you for ensuring that I'll never make that mistake. :>
>

Another mistake in a more likely situation...

Back in the olden days when my little brother was a newly minted private
pilot, he took a buddy up for a ride in a Champ.

His buddy asked "What do I do if I get sick?"

My brother, not realizing the reason for the question, and being the smart
ass that he is, said "Just stick your head out the window"

It took a couple hours to get the inside of the airplane cleaned out -
there's a lot of nooks and crannies in a Champ...

--
Geoff
The Sea Hawk at Wow Way d0t Com
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Peter Dohm

November 3rd 07, 12:27 AM

"Gatt" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> .. .
>> "Gatt" > wrote in
>
>> You get to hear plenty of od AAC stories (well, not so much these days)
>> but not so many Luftwaffe stories.
>
> I convinced my wife to rustle him up (he had retired), to arrange a tour
> of the Evergreen B-17 back when it was at the Portland hangar, and he left
> a message on my answering machine. Man ... I get chills now remembering
> hearing "My name is Herr Boost" on my answering machine and thinking
> "Luftwaffe."
>
> When we returned the call his wife answered and said he'd suffered a
> stroke, but didn't talk about the war anymore anyway. My wife still gets
> emotional recalling his reaction when a freshman student absent-mindedly
> drew a swastika on her desk while he was lecturing. Apparently it was
> pretty heartbreaking. I hoped he would let me record for the museum his
> telling of the SS officer story and, more importantly, his statements to
> his students that what history teaches of the Nazis and the Holocaust is
> truth.
>
> Who knows. That phone call was eight or ten years ago. Do you think it
> be appropriate to call him and try again?
>
> -c
IMHO, yes, you should.

It is possible that he has recovered, and would be delighted to record his
experiences; but it is more likely that he is deceased. In any case, it is
most likely that his wife will be glad to know that someone cared/cares.

In any case, the SS jerk urinating out the door is a truly outstanding story
and reading it made my day!

Peter

Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]

November 3rd 07, 12:45 AM

"Gatt" > wrote in
:

>
> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> .. .
>> "Gatt" > wrote in
>
>> You get to hear plenty of od AAC stories (well, not so much these
>> days) but not so many Luftwaffe stories.
>
> I convinced my wife to rustle him up (he had retired), to arrange a
> tour of the Evergreen B-17 back when it was at the Portland hangar,
> and he left a message on my answering machine. Man ... I get chills
> now remembering hearing "My name is Herr Boost" on my answering
> machine and thinking "Luftwaffe."
>
> When we returned the call his wife answered and said he'd suffered a
> stroke, but didn't talk about the war anymore anyway.

"Don't mention the war" indeed.

My wife still
> gets emotional recalling his reaction when a freshman student
> absent-mindedly drew a swastika on her desk while he was lecturing.
> Apparently it was pretty heartbreaking. I hoped he would let me
> record for the museum his telling of the SS officer story and, more
> importantly, his statements to his students that what history teaches
> of the Nazis and the Holocaust is truth.

>
> Who knows. That phone call was eight or ten years ago. Do you think
> it be appropriate to call him and try again?
>

Your call. My view of them is that most were just doing what they
thought was right at the time. I met Erich Hartmann at Osh years ago and
felt nothing but awe in his presence, but I didn't live through it!

A friend of mine works for a FC that goes to Japan a lot. His father,
who had his ship shot out from underneath him in the Pacific, has aked
him to empty the toilets over Japan. My friend said he couldn't, but
that he could **** in the sink and open the drain! the father approved.

Hey we're back on topic!

Bertie
>
>

Angelo Campanella[_2_]

November 3rd 07, 01:04 AM

Big John wrote:
> Now in my Mooney with 7 1/2 hours of fuel (built in fuselage tank) I
> had a coffee can with a plastic lid. Worked fine every time :o)

I use a 2 quart juice bottle in my Mooney.

Biggest problem is finding a place dump it at FBO's.

Angelo Campanella

Dudley Henriques[_2_]

November 3rd 07, 01:12 AM

Angelo Campanella wrote:
> Big John wrote:
>> Now in my Mooney with 7 1/2 hours of fuel (built in fuselage tank) I
>> had a coffee can with a plastic lid. Worked fine every time :o)
>
> I use a 2 quart juice bottle in my Mooney.
>
> Biggest problem is finding a place dump it at FBO's.
>
> Angelo Campanella
>
I would imagine that if you get distracted carrying it through the
flight office to empty it on some hot summer day and set it down
somewhere to call and cancel a flight plan or something and someone just
meandered along thirsty as hell, you might manage to strain a few
relationships around the ole' airport :-))

--
Dudley Henriques

Angelo Campanella[_2_]

November 3rd 07, 01:29 AM

Judah wrote:
> "No problem," I think outloud. The Bonanza has a window.
>
> I slow the plane down quite a bit (placarded for 145kts) and pop the window
> open. Carefully, I lift the bottle out the window (I don't want to drop it
> for more than a handful of reasons)... Slowly I turn the bottle over to begin
> to empty the bottle.
>
> The resulting splash in the face was just enough to jog my memory of the
> chapter about venturi effects that I read years back when getting my
> private...
>
> Eventually I was able to stretch my arm far enough out and back so that most
> of the bottle was being emptied outside the cockpit.

Years ago, my airplane partner's wife passed away. She had requested
that her ashes be spread over a local lake where she frequently water
skiied. Partner thought it would be a fine idea that we do the deed in
our Mooney. I said "No Problem, I'll open the side window and the air
will draw out the ashes (many small pieces). Well, we got over the lake,
slowed down, opened the window, and when the plastic bag was a few
inches from the window, it was sucked into a tight ball, bone fragments
locked inside. I ended up removing tiny handfulls of the stuff, setting
my hand by the window, and then opening my fingers... It took about 10
minutes of that to finish the job. After landing, I inspected the left
stabilizer to find tiny pin-pricks in the leading edge paint. Later, I
found some fragments on the cabin floor, and thought "she sure did like
riding in this airplane..."
.... Anyway, I hope I did the deed to her satisfaction.

Angelo Campanella

Angelo Campanella[_2_]

November 3rd 07, 01:44 AM

Big John wrote:
> OK, you asked for it. Another War Story :o)
> Air Cadet was scheduled for a solo triangular cross country in the
> T-6 from Stewart Air Field, Newburg, NY to Middletown then to DC
> (that's when Student Pilots could land at Bolling Field) and then
> home.
> Cadet had come down with a bad case of diarrhea but wanted to complete
> the X-country on schedule so didn't opt out.
> Went to bath room just before take off and did his thing and took off
> and was cruising along at 6-8K and the urge returned. Was about a hour
> out from home plate if he turned back or an hour to Middletown next
> stop so he opted to go on to Middletown.
> After evaluating the situation he decided to do his thing in the bird.
> 1. He took a map and folded it into a cup and set aside.

Years ago, I treated my son to a few days in Destin on the Gudf shore.
We departed in my Mooney, with some lunch in a plastic bag, certain that
my recent diarehawas was passing. Well, an hour into the flight, the
urge came. I looked at him and said "I hope you have an open mind; help
me!" We cleared the lunch from the bag - the sort that grocery stores
pack stuff in, and I half stood, half crouched over my seat. The bag
spread nicely as a receiver, and all went well, the napkins wifey packed
serving very well as bumwad. We tied the bag closed with it handles, and
all went well thereafter. Moral; stoe some plastic grocery bags; they
can double as barf and relief bags.

Angelo Campanella

Paul kgyy

November 3rd 07, 02:47 AM

One of the nuisance elements of the lil red bottle is that ATC always
"knows" when it's in use. You can be cruising for half an hour
without a peep on the radio, and the minute you get hooked up and let
go, you get this call: "Arrow 87Xray, we have an amended clearance
for you; are you ready to copy?"

"Ummmm, Arrow 87Xray, stand by"

Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]

November 3rd 07, 03:05 AM

Paul kgyy > wrote in news:1194058049.431710.73950
@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com:

> One of the nuisance elements of the lil red bottle is that ATC always
> "knows" when it's in use. You can be cruising for half an hour
> without a peep on the radio, and the minute you get hooked up and let
> go, you get this call: "Arrow 87Xray, we have an amended clearance
> for you; are you ready to copy?"
>
> "Ummmm, Arrow 87Xray, stand by"
>
>

Or when you've just had a bite of an apple

Bertie

Morgans[_2_]

November 3rd 07, 03:46 AM

"Angelo Campanella" < wrote

We cleared the lunch from the bag - the sort that grocery stores
> pack stuff in, and I half stood, half crouched over my seat. The bag
> spread nicely as a receiver, and all went well, the napkins wifey packed
> serving very well as bumwad. We tied the bag closed with it handles, and
> all went well thereafter. Moral; stoe some plastic grocery bags; they can
> double as barf and relief bags.

I would suggest that some of those semi disposable (is it Glad brand?)
tupperware type of containers would be much better, and you could keep a
supply of them close at hand.

They are sealable, so therefore will not spill with a few bumps.

Even better, they seal, so you won't SMELL the puke or poop!
--
Jim in NC

Big John

November 3rd 07, 06:01 AM

Angelo

A coffee can with a lid did not advertize what you had like a
transparent jug. Also it would be difficult for many of us to get our
thing inside top of jug where no problem with a coffee can. Just walk
can in to toilet and dump and wash out and back to bird for next time
required.

Never had any problems or embracement :o)

Big John

***********************************************8

On Sat, 03 Nov 2007 01:04:58 GMT, Angelo Campanella
> wrote:

>Big John wrote:
>> Now in my Mooney with 7 1/2 hours of fuel (built in fuselage tank) I
>> had a coffee can with a plastic lid. Worked fine every time :o)
>
>I use a 2 quart juice bottle in my Mooney.
>
>Biggest problem is finding a place dump it at FBO's.
>
>Angelo Campanella

Judah

November 3rd 07, 12:24 PM

Angelo Campanella > wrote in
:

> all went well thereafter. Moral; stoe some plastic grocery bags; they
> can double as barf and relief bags.

I dunno if my grocery store is just cheap, or you were just lucky, but most
of the plastic bags I get have small holes in them that would make this
tactic very risky...

Matt Whiting

November 3rd 07, 05:04 PM

Paul kgyy wrote:
> One of the nuisance elements of the lil red bottle is that ATC always
> "knows" when it's in use. You can be cruising for half an hour
> without a peep on the radio, and the minute you get hooked up and let
> go, you get this call: "Arrow 87Xray, we have an amended clearance
> for you; are you ready to copy?"
>
> "Ummmm, Arrow 87Xray, stand by"
>

"ATC, negative on the amendment, we're fine with our current flight plan."

Matt

Gatt

November 5th 07, 04:20 PM

"Peter Dohm" > wrote in message
...

>> I hoped he would let me record for the museum his telling of the SS
>> officer story and, more importantly, his statements to his students that
>> what history teaches of the Nazis and the Holocaust is truth.
>>
>> Who knows. That phone call was eight or ten years ago. Do you think it
>> be appropriate to call him and try again?
>>
>> -c
> IMHO, yes, you should.

My wife contacted them, and unfortunately his wife said he's had two
subsequent strokes. The war is a chapter in his life he can no longer
recall.

Interestingly enough, however, I got an e-mail from the daughter of my
grandfather's pilot this week. She went to France and returned with a crash
photo of their B-17 taken by a German soldier. The Luftwaffe pilot that
struck the killing blow to the airplane (and who crash-landed next to it
with a piece of .50 through his lung) is apparently still alive. With any
luck, I'll be in contact with him before it's too late.

-c