Re: A Very Disturbing Story

[C J Campbell[_1_]]

On 2007-11-04 09:14:06 -0800, RL Anderson > said:

> Gang,
>
> I just found this out yesterday, but I was told that the story broke on Friday.
>
> We have a local pilot, CFI and aviation business owner who has been
> arrested on sex charges with boys. I will not editorialize on this
> event. I just hope that his local "airplane store", which is based at
> KPLU, does not get screwed over in the process of the upcoming lawsuits.

You can be sure that this pilot's legal troubles will drive him to
bankruptcy. Spencer Aircraft can only be saved if someone else is
willing to take over the business.

It is not a matter of punishing the business or its employees. It is
simply a fact of life. This guy betrayed not only the trust of those
boys, but also the trust of everyone who depended on him and worked
with him. They will be hurt, badly.

The other thing is that now everyone will wonder about us pilots who
like to give kids rides in airplanes. I am absolutely furious with this
clown.

--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

[kontiki]

C J Campbell wrote:

>
> The other thing is that now everyone will wonder about us pilots who
> like to give kids rides in airplanes. I am absolutely furious with this
> clown.
>

Well clowns like this seem to be rampant throughout the government
controlled schools in this country all the time these days.

Look, I'm not trying to make light of your concerns CJ but because
this pervert happened to be a pilot should not make the whole world
suddenly become anti-aviation.

But if parents did become widely concerned about their kid getting
a ride in an airplane then hopefully they will also be as equally
conmcerned about their kids attending government schools.

[Rich Ahrens[_2_]]

kontiki wrote:
> Well clowns like this seem to be rampant throughout the government
> controlled schools in this country all the time these days.
>
> Look, I'm not trying to make light of your concerns CJ but because
> this pervert happened to be a pilot should not make the whole world
> suddenly become anti-aviation.
>
> But if parents did become widely concerned about their kid getting
> a ride in an airplane then hopefully they will also be as equally
> conmcerned about their kids attending government schools.

Yeah, it *never* happens in, say, Catholic private schools...

[Mxsmanic]

C J Campbell writes:

> It is not a matter of punishing the business or its employees. It is
> simply a fact of life. This guy betrayed not only the trust of those
> boys, but also the trust of everyone who depended on him and worked
> with him. They will be hurt, badly.

I see you've convicted him already. So much for the presumption of innocence.

> The other thing is that now everyone will wonder about us pilots who
> like to give kids rides in airplanes. I am absolutely furious with this
> clown.

People already wonder about all men who show any interest at all in
interaction with children. The paranoia and hysteria took control long ago.

[Morgans[_2_]]

"Rich Ahrens" > wrote

> Yeah, it *never* happens in, say, Catholic private schools...

Yeah, I'm glad I'm not the only one that objects to having it classified as
a "government school" problem.

Far from it. It is everywhere, unfortunately.

Unfortunately, we let them go after minimal time, and tell them to register
when the move.
Right.

If you want to be scared, look at the number of registered sex offenders
that we have lost track of, in the US.

Be very afraid.
--
Jim in NC

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> C J Campbell writes:
>
>> It is not a matter of punishing the business or its employees. It is
>> simply a fact of life. This guy betrayed not only the trust of those
>> boys, but also the trust of everyone who depended on him and worked
>> with him. They will be hurt, badly.
>
> I see you've convicted him already. So much for the presumption of
> innocence.
>
>> The other thing is that now everyone will wonder about us pilots who
>> like to give kids rides in airplanes. I am absolutely furious with
>> this clown.
>
> People already wonder about all men who show any interest at all in
> interaction with children.


Oh dear.


Bertie

[Aluckyguess]

"Rich Ahrens" > wrote in message
. net...
> kontiki wrote:
>> Well clowns like this seem to be rampant throughout the government
>> controlled schools in this country all the time these days.
>>
>> Look, I'm not trying to make light of your concerns CJ but because
>> this pervert happened to be a pilot should not make the whole world
>> suddenly become anti-aviation.
>>
>> But if parents did become widely concerned about their kid getting
>> a ride in an airplane then hopefully they will also be as equally
>> conmcerned about their kids attending government schools.
>
> Yeah, it *never* happens in, say, Catholic private schools...

Thats the scarry part. They really need to make a special punishment for
that type of crime.

[A Guy Called Tyketto]

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Mxsmanic > wrote:
>
> People already wonder about all men who show any interest at all in
> interaction with children. The paranoia and hysteria took control long ago.

So any man who is a father should be treated with vigilance,
paranoia, and hysteria..

I know of a couple hundred million men who would love to tan
your hide for such a grandiose and ignorant statement. Luckily for you,
they are men of character and above such things, and above you.

BL.
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[C J Campbell[_1_]]

On 2007-11-04 18:08:50 -0800, Bertie the Bunyip > said:

> Mxsmanic > wrote in
> :
>
>> C J Campbell writes:
>>
>>> It is not a matter of punishing the business or its employees. It is
>>> simply a fact of life. This guy betrayed not only the trust of those
>>> boys, but also the trust of everyone who depended on him and worked
>>> with him. They will be hurt, badly.
>>
>> I see you've convicted him already. So much for the presumption of
>> innocence.
>>
>>> The other thing is that now everyone will wonder about us pilots who
>>> like to give kids rides in airplanes. I am absolutely furious with
>>> this clown.
>>
>> People already wonder about all men who show any interest at all in
>> interaction with children.
>
>
> Oh dear.
>
>
> Bertie

I don't know why he bothers to reply to anything I post. I kill filed
him months ago and never see his posts.
--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

[Morgans[_2_]]

"C J Campbell" > wrote

> I don't know why he bothers to reply to anything I post. I kill filed him
> months ago and never see his posts.

He has nothing better to do. Period.
--
Jim in NC

[Morgans[_2_]]

"A Guy Called Tyketto" > wrote

> I know of a couple hundred million men who would love to tan
> your hide for such a grandiose and ignorant statement. Luckily for you,
> they are men of character and above such things, and above you.

Not all of them are, and I know of at least one that would gladly take the
opportunity.
--
Jim in NC

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

C J Campbell > wrote in
news:2007110419551416807-christophercampbell@hotmailcom:

> On 2007-11-04 18:08:50 -0800, Bertie the Bunyip > said:
>
>> Mxsmanic > wrote in
>> :
>>
>>> C J Campbell writes:
>>>
>>>> It is not a matter of punishing the business or its employees. It
is
>>>> simply a fact of life. This guy betrayed not only the trust of
those
>>>> boys, but also the trust of everyone who depended on him and worked
>>>> with him. They will be hurt, badly.
>>>
>>> I see you've convicted him already. So much for the presumption of
>>> innocence.
>>>
>>>> The other thing is that now everyone will wonder about us pilots
who
>>>> like to give kids rides in airplanes. I am absolutely furious with
>>>> this clown.
>>>
>>> People already wonder about all men who show any interest at all in
>>> interaction with children.
>>
>>
>> Oh dear.
>>
>>
>> Bertie
>
> I don't know why he bothers to reply to anything I post. I kill filed
> him months ago and never see his posts.



Better question is; why does he post at all?


Bertie

[Matt W. Barrow]

"Rich Ahrens" > wrote in message
. net...
> kontiki wrote:
>> Well clowns like this seem to be rampant throughout the government
>> controlled schools in this country all the time these days.
>>
>> Look, I'm not trying to make light of your concerns CJ but because
>> this pervert happened to be a pilot should not make the whole world
>> suddenly become anti-aviation.
>>
>> But if parents did become widely concerned about their kid getting
>> a ride in an airplane then hopefully they will also be as equally
>> conmcerned about their kids attending government schools.
>
> Yeah, it *never* happens in, say, Catholic private schools...

At least in parochial schools there's some recourse.

[Matt W. Barrow]

"aluckyguess" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Rich Ahrens" > wrote in message
> . net...
>> kontiki wrote:
>>> Well clowns like this seem to be rampant throughout the government
>>> controlled schools in this country all the time these days.
>>>
>>> Look, I'm not trying to make light of your concerns CJ but because
>>> this pervert happened to be a pilot should not make the whole world
>>> suddenly become anti-aviation.
>>>
>>> But if parents did become widely concerned about their kid getting
>>> a ride in an airplane then hopefully they will also be as equally
>>> conmcerned about their kids attending government schools.
>>
>> Yeah, it *never* happens in, say, Catholic private schools...
>
> Thats the scarry part. They really need to make a special punishment for
> that type of crime.
Excommunication?

[A Guy Called Tyketto]

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Morgans > wrote:
>
> "A Guy Called Tyketto" > wrote
>
>> I know of a couple hundred million men who would love to tan
>> your hide for such a grandiose and ignorant statement. Luckily for you,
>> they are men of character and above such things, and above you.
>
> Not all of them are, and I know of at least one that would gladly take the
> opportunity.

I stand corrected. ;) :)

BL.
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[Mxsmanic]

Morgans writes:

> If you want to be scared, look at the number of registered sex offenders
> that we have lost track of, in the US.
>
> Be very afraid.

I guess murderers are no big deal, eh?

[Mxsmanic]

aluckyguess writes:

> Thats the scarry part. They really need to make a special punishment for
> that type of crime.

Why? Do "scary" crimes require special punishments?

[Mxsmanic]

A Guy Called Tyketto writes:

> So any man who is a father should be treated with vigilance,
> paranoia, and hysteria..

Nobody is more likely to abuse a child than his own parents, and between his
parents, he's far more likely to be abused by his mother than by his father.

The real numbers are about the opposite of the irrational fears many people
seem to have. Even child "abductions" are usually carried out by one of their
parents.

> I know of a couple hundred million men who would love to tan
> your hide for such a grandiose and ignorant statement.

See above. Parents are often abusive in this way. And yet not only is it not
prosecuted, it's not even illegal in most U.S. jurisdictions.

[Mxsmanic]

Morgans writes:

> Not all of them are, and I know of at least one that would gladly take the
> opportunity.

Does he beat his children as well?

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> Morgans writes:
>
>> Not all of them are, and I know of at least one that would gladly
>> take the opportunity.
>
> Does he beat his children as well?
>

You lurid little ****.


Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> A Guy Called Tyketto writes:
>
>> So any man who is a father should be treated with vigilance,
>> paranoia, and hysteria..
>
> Nobody is more likely to abuse a child than his own parents, and
> between his parents, he's far more likely to be abused by his mother
> than by his father.
>
> The real numbers are about the opposite of the irrational fears many
> people seem to have. Even child "abductions" are usually carried out
> by one of their parents.
>
>> I know of a couple hundred million men who would love to tan
>> your hide for such a grandiose and ignorant statement.
>
> See above. Parents are often abusive in this way. And yet not only
> is it not prosecuted, it's not even illegal in most U.S.
> jurisdictions.


You are an idiot.


Bertie
>

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> Morgans writes:
>
>> If you want to be scared, look at the number of registered sex
>> offenders that we have lost track of, in the US.
>>
>> Be very afraid.
>
> I guess murderers are no big deal, eh?


A complete idiot.


Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> aluckyguess writes:
>
>> Thats the scarry part. They really need to make a special punishment
>> for that type of crime.
>
> Why? Do "scary" crimes require special punishments?
>

You aren't even good at trolling


Bertie

[A Guy Called Tyketto]

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Mxsmanic > wrote:
> A Guy Called Tyketto writes:
>
>> So any man who is a father should be treated with vigilance,
>> paranoia, and hysteria..
>
> Nobody is more likely to abuse a child than his own parents, and between his
> parents, he's far more likely to be abused by his mother than by his father.

So now you're saying that people should treat parents (both
mother, father, and/or legal guardians) of a child or children with
vigilance, hysteria, and paranoia. If that were the case, the same
should have been done with your parents regarding you.

You obviously don't see the ignorance in your statements. Oh
wait.. We forget who we're dealing with...

>> I know of a couple hundred million men who would love to tan
>> your hide for such a grandiose and ignorant statement.
>
> See above. Parents are often abusive in this way. And yet not only is it not
> prosecuted, it's not even illegal in most U.S. jurisdictions.

You've blisfully cropped my second sentence to that paragraph,
which states: "Luckily for you, those men are men of character and are
above such things, and above you."

That means that they see your statement and treat it as such; a
simple statement of ignorance, and let their results and how they raise
and educate their children, and treat them with respect and honour
because they are their legacy.

Judging from what you have mentioned, it is plain to see that
you are not a parent, nor have ever been a parent. Based on your
statements above, and the lack of parental values within you,fFor the rest
of our sakes, and the sakes of everyone else on this planet, let's hope that
the latter stays true for the rest of your life.

BL.

P.S. Ever get that plane of yours to land at Tuweep? We are all
still waiting on your results from that.

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[Morgans[_2_]]

"Matt W. Barrow" <> wrote

> At least in parochial schools there's some recourse.

Sorry Matt, but you went too far in your rush to laud the superiority of
private schools, on this one.

A person acting improperly with the students will be just as arrested and
dismissed in the public schools as he would be in the private schools.

Really, the private school is much more likely to hide a problem, and get
away with it, compared to the public school.
--
Jim in NC

[Jon]

On Nov 5, 2:17 am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> Mxsmanic > wrote :
>
> > Morgans writes:
>
> >> If you want to be scared, look at the number of registered sex
> >> offenders that we have lost track of, in the US.
>
> >> Be very afraid.
>
> > I guess murderers are no big deal, eh?
>
> A complete idiot.

It is actually he that is no big deal.

> Bertie

Have a day,

Jon

[Jon]

On Nov 5, 2:28 am, A Guy Called Tyketto
> wrote:
> [ladies and gentlemen, squeegee the snippo]

> Oh wait.. We forget who we're dealing with...

If only... perhaps someday....

> [squeegester, don't forget to clean up on your way out]


alllllllllrighty... bye bye then.....

[Gig 601XL Builder]

Mxsmanic wrote:
> Nobody is more likely to abuse a child than his own parents..>

Except for creepy guys that move to France, have no job and are anti-social.

[RL Anderson]

C J Campbell wrote:

[Snip]

> You can be sure that this pilot's legal troubles will drive him to
> bankruptcy. Spencer Aircraft can only be saved if someone else is
> willing to take over the business.

Agreed.

> It is not a matter of punishing the business or its employees. It is
> simply a fact of life. This guy betrayed not only the trust of those
> boys, but also the trust of everyone who depended on him and worked with
> him. They will be hurt, badly.

I just do not want folks to stay away from Spencer, or treat IT like a
leper. I do agree with you about the trust factor.

> The other thing is that now everyone will wonder about us pilots who
> like to give kids rides in airplanes. I am absolutely furious with this
> clown.

Good point. Hope the Young Eagles program doesn't take a hit from it.
What I would like to do is to let him meet my buddies Marlin and
Remington. But I'm afraid it would be a waste of ammo.

Rick

[Gatt]

"kontiki" > wrote in message
...

> Well clowns like this seem to be rampant throughout the government
> controlled schools in this country all the time these days.


Ah, Christ. Let's not go political. There is as much nonsense going on in
the churches as the public schools and I think if you were to take a
demographic cross-section you'd see it everwhere about the same; the
difference is merely how talk show hosts, columnists and blathering talking
heads spin it to agitate their audiences for higher ratings.

> But if parents did become widely concerned about their kid getting a ride
> in an airplane then hopefully they will also be as equally
> conmcerned about their kids attending government schools.

Really? Are they being tortured there?

-c

[Gatt]

"Matt W. Barrow" > wrote in message
...
>
>> Yeah, it *never* happens in, say, Catholic private schools...
>
> At least in parochial schools there's some recourse.


Yeah, 'cause you can't sue a school district or a teacher, or move your kid
to another school or anything...

What freakin' rabbit hole did this thread fall down?!

-c

[Darkwing]

"aluckyguess" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Rich Ahrens" > wrote in message
> . net...
>> kontiki wrote:
>>> Well clowns like this seem to be rampant throughout the government
>>> controlled schools in this country all the time these days.
>>>
>>> Look, I'm not trying to make light of your concerns CJ but because
>>> this pervert happened to be a pilot should not make the whole world
>>> suddenly become anti-aviation.
>>>
>>> But if parents did become widely concerned about their kid getting
>>> a ride in an airplane then hopefully they will also be as equally
>>> conmcerned about their kids attending government schools.
>>
>> Yeah, it *never* happens in, say, Catholic private schools...
>
> Thats the scarry part. They really need to make a special punishment for
> that type of crime.
>

Stoning? Caning? Neither are gruesome or painful enough for pedophiles.

-----------------------------------
DW

[Jon]

On Nov 5, 11:03 am, "Darkwing" <theducksmail"AT"yahoo.com> wrote:
> "aluckyguess" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Rich Ahrens" > wrote in message
> . net...
> > [snip]
> > Thats the scarry part. They really need to make a special punishment for
> > that type of crime.
>
> Stoning? Caning? Neither are gruesome or painful enough for pedophiles.

I'll refrain from posting in a public forum, a certain special
suggestion as to what to do with this guy, if (although, given things
like the video evidence, it's probably more a question of 'when') he's
found guilty.

But they could start by burning down that million dollar house where
evil was allowed to be nourished...

[C J Campbell[_1_]]

On 2007-11-05 08:00:52 -0800, "Gatt" > said:

>
> "kontiki" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> Well clowns like this seem to be rampant throughout the government
>> controlled schools in this country all the time these days.
>
>
> Ah, Christ. Let's not go political. There is as much nonsense going on in
> the churches as the public schools and I think if you were to take a
> demographic cross-section you'd see it everwhere about the same; the
> difference is merely how talk show hosts, columnists and blathering talking
> heads spin it to agitate their audiences for higher ratings.
>
>> But if parents did become widely concerned about their kid getting a ride
>> in an airplane then hopefully they will also be as equally
>> conmcerned about their kids attending government schools.
>
> Really? Are they being tortured there?
>
> -c

I seem to recall from high school that some of my own teachers'
lectures could have been considered torture.
--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

[Mxsmanic]

A Guy Called Tyketto writes:

> So now you're saying that people should treat parents (both
> mother, father, and/or legal guardians) of a child or children with
> vigilance, hysteria, and paranoia.

No.

Parents should be treated with extreme vigilance, as they are the greatest
threat to their children. But there is no need for hysteria or paranoia, not
only with respect to parents, but with respect to everyone else.

> If that were the case, the same should have been done with
> your parents regarding you.

Vigilance would be useful for all parents.

However, most parents are so rabidly and violently paranoid about interference
with their own child-rearing activity that they are willing to let other
parents beat and kill their own children with impunity in order to preserve
imaginary parental "rights." And so abuse continues, and a great many of
society's problems can be traced directly to poor parenting.

It's ironic that the one area that affects the future of civilization more
than anything else is left utterly and completely to chance.

> You've blisfully cropped my second sentence to that paragraph,
> which states: "Luckily for you, those men are men of character and are
> above such things, and above you."

Men of character do not engage in violent acts against those with whom they
disagree.

> Judging from what you have mentioned, it is plain to see that
> you are not a parent, nor have ever been a parent.

How might one go about validating your judgement?

[Mxsmanic]

Gig 601XL Builder writes:

> Except for creepy guys that move to France, have no job and are anti-social.

Even they are not as likely to abuse children as are the parents of those
children.

[Matt W. Barrow]

"Gatt" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Matt W. Barrow" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>>> Yeah, it *never* happens in, say, Catholic private schools...
>>
>> At least in parochial schools there's some recourse.
>
>
> Yeah, 'cause you can't sue a school district or a teacher, or move your
> kid to another school or anything...
>
> What freakin' rabbit hole did this thread fall down?!
>
> -c
>

[Matt W. Barrow]

"Gatt" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Matt W. Barrow" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>>> Yeah, it *never* happens in, say, Catholic private schools...
>>
>> At least in parochial schools there's some recourse.
>
>
> Yeah, 'cause you can't sue a school district or a teacher,

Do you mean the school district that wil lthen have to admit it screwed up?
Good luck. Or the teachers union?

> or move your kid to another school or anything...

In many localities, you can't.

>
> What freakin' rabbit hole did this thread fall down?!

Where did you park your reality check?

[Matt W. Barrow]

"Gig 601XL Builder" <wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net> wrote in message
...
> Mxsmanic wrote:
>> Nobody is more likely to abuse a child than his own parents..>
>
> Except for creepy guys that move to France, have no job and are
> anti-social.
Um, Gig? MX (for once) is right; the overwhelming majority of abuse cases
are parental, though far more often they're step-parent.

[Gatt]

"Matt W. Barrow" > wrote in message
...

>> Yeah, 'cause you can't sue a school district or a teacher,
>
> Do you mean the school district that wil lthen have to admit it screwed
> up?

Sure. Why not? It happens. No different than suing a church.

> Good luck. Or the teachers union?

Sure. Why not? It happens. No different than suing a church.

>> or move your kid to another school or anything...
>
> In many localities, you can't.

Then sue 'em. It happens. No different than....

>> What freakin' rabbit hole did this thread fall down?!
> Where did you park your reality check?

The Vatican? The fact that this guy wasn't a teacher and he still
tortured little boys? Would you like it the public started making the same
sweeping generalizations about pilots as you appear to be doing about public
schools?

-c

[Gig 601XL Builder]

Matt W. Barrow wrote:
> "Gig 601XL Builder" <wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net> wrote in message
> ...
>> Mxsmanic wrote:
>>> Nobody is more likely to abuse a child than his own parents..>
>>
>> Except for creepy guys that move to France, have no job and are
>> anti-social.
> Um, Gig? MX (for once) is right; the overwhelming majority of abuse
> cases are parental, though far more often they're step-parent.

Well of course they are. But there are more reasons than concern about abuse
to keep your kids away from guys like MX.

[Morgans[_2_]]

"Gatt" > wrote

> The Vatican? The fact that this guy wasn't a teacher and he still
> tortured little boys? Would you like it the public started making the
> same sweeping generalizations about pilots as you appear to be doing about
> public schools?

One thing is always a constant, with his current added personal pressures
aside.

He has a perennial hard on for the public school systems.

My advice is to ignore his ravings on the subject, and move on. He will
never give in, or admit he could be wrong on the subject.

Besides that flaw, I think Matt can be a pretty nice guy. <g>
--
Jim in NC

[Matt W. Barrow]

"Gig 601XL Builder" <wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net> wrote in message
...
> Matt W. Barrow wrote:
>> "Gig 601XL Builder" <wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net> wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Mxsmanic wrote:
>>>> Nobody is more likely to abuse a child than his own parents..>
>>>
>>> Except for creepy guys that move to France, have no job and are
>>> anti-social.
>> Um, Gig? MX (for once) is right; the overwhelming majority of abuse
>> cases are parental, though far more often they're step-parent.
>
> Well of course they are. But there are more reasons than concern about
> abuse to keep your kids away from guys like MX.
>
Well, yes, I would keep my kids gerbils away from him...

[Gatt]

"Morgans" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Gatt" > wrote

>> Would you like it the public started making the same sweeping
>> generalizations about pilots as you appear to be doing about public
>> schools?

> He has a perennial hard on for the public school systems.

What's troubling is that I think it's a political/radio-show/media driven;
sort an analog to the left-wing superfreakout about school shootings and
church sex scandals, or the general public's paranoia about airplanes.

Stastics show that aviation is safer than ever, that school shootings
haven't increased since the '60s, and, probably, that there's no more
misconduct now in church than ever; the media cycle is just quicker and
avenues of dialog are free and abundant, so we all hear about them more.
But I keep flipping on the morning traffic report and hearing some talk show
idiot talking about "Pubic screwls" and the next thing you know, somebody's
ranting on the usenet. I Do Not Know Anybody who ever claimed to be
molested by a teacher or a preacher, ever, but they make it sound like it
happens everywhere and that it's tolerated.

And, realistically, I may have actually discovered girls while staring at my
algebra teacher's butt through the entire class every day, so I
-could- be just a little jealous of these brats. ;>

-c

[Mxsmanic]

Gatt writes:

> What's troubling is that I think it's a political/radio-show/media driven;
> sort an analog to the left-wing superfreakout about school shootings and
> church sex scandals, or the general public's paranoia about airplanes.

That's because the real objective of the news media is to frighten people.
Frightened people will continue to watch and read the news in a vain search
for reassurance. Unfrightened people tend not to watch and read the news very
much. So to sustain viewer/reader numbers, the media sensationalizes the news
and emphasizes the bad, scary side of everything, in order to keep everyone
scared.

Unfortunately, this tends to make viewers/readers excessively paranoid over
time, as they come to believe that the world is orders of magnitude more
dangerous than it actually is. This causes them to behave hysterically, and
it also encourages them to sacrifice their freedoms in exchange for assurances
of security even though the security is both illusory and unnecessary.

> Stastics show that aviation is safer than ever, that school shootings
> haven't increased since the '60s, and, probably, that there's no more
> misconduct now in church than ever; the media cycle is just quicker and
> avenues of dialog are free and abundant, so we all hear about them more.

Yes. A lot of people sit mesmerized in front of CNN or Fox all day, but few
people ever actually look things up.

> But I keep flipping on the morning traffic report and hearing some talk show
> idiot talking about "Pubic screwls" and the next thing you know, somebody's
> ranting on the usenet. I Do Not Know Anybody who ever claimed to be
> molested by a teacher or a preacher, ever, but they make it sound like it
> happens everywhere and that it's tolerated.

It is in fact very rare, and many of the cases that do exist exist only
because the definition of molestation is so broad in so many areas (e.g.,
kissing a student on the cheeck may count as molestation, even when one
six-year-old kisses another).

[Mxsmanic]

Gig 601XL Builder writes:

> Well of course they are. But there are more reasons than concern about abuse
> to keep your kids away from guys like MX.

Not really. If the real concern is to protect children, then a lot more needs
to be done to monitor the way parents treat their children. But no one ever
actually does this for reasons I've already stated.

[A Guy Called Tyketto]

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Mxsmanic > wrote:
> A Guy Called Tyketto writes:
>
>> So now you're saying that people should treat parents (both
>> mother, father, and/or legal guardians) of a child or children with
>> vigilance, hysteria, and paranoia.
>
> No.
>
> Parents should be treated with extreme vigilance, as they are the greatest
> threat to their children. But there is no need for hysteria or paranoia, not
> only with respect to parents, but with respect to everyone else.

Then following your logic, it would be deemed justifiable to be
vigilant towards your parents for conceiving you. I see now, and should
remind others to act as such should they ever find them.

>
>> You've blisfully cropped my second sentence to that paragraph,
>> which states: "Luckily for you, those men are men of character and are
>> above such things, and above you."
>
> Men of character do not engage in violent acts against those with whom they
> disagree.

Didn't I just say that? I say again, They are men of character
and _are above such things, and above you_ .

In simpler terms, they are better than you, just by being who
they are, and no matter how much you troll or call them out, they will
always be better men, better women, better PARENTS than you will ever
be or ever hope to be.

>> Judging from what you have mentioned, it is plain to see that
>> you are not a parent, nor have ever been a parent.
>
> How might one go about validating your judgement?

Do your own damned research and come back to us with
substantiated proof. Until then, it is up to you to prove me wrong.

BL.
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[Jon]

On Nov 6, 7:10 am, "Viperdoc" > wrote:
> "It is in fact very rare, and many of the cases that do exist exist only
> because the definition of molestation is so broad in so many areas (e.g.,
> kissing a student on the cheeck may count as molestation, even when one
> six-year-old kisses another)."
>
> So this is why Anthony now lives in France?

For, um.... disturbing values chosen for 'lives' ;)

[Mxsmanic]

A Guy Called Tyketto writes:

> Then following your logic, it would be deemed justifiable to be
> vigilant towards your parents for conceiving you.

No. Conceiving a child is not, in itself, any form of abuse.

However, it is important to remain vigilant about potential abuse by parents,
as it is extremely widespread, underreported, and rarely prosecuted.

> Do your own damned research and come back to us with
> substantiated proof.

Judgement is subjective by definition; it cannot be objectively proved.
Therefore there is any research that anyone can do to validate your judgement.
It is simply your opinion. What makes your opinion especially valuable?

> Until then, it is up to you to prove me wrong.

See above. There are arguably good judgement and poor judgement, but no
judgement is provably right or wrong.

[Tina]

Would you provide credible evidence that your statement


> However, it is important to remain vigilant about potential abuse by parents,
> as it is extremely widespread, underreported, and rarely prosecuted.
>

is in any way valid?

I thought not.






> > Do your own damned research and come back to us with
> > substantiated proof.
>
> Judgement is subjective by definition; it cannot be objectively proved.
> Therefore there is any research that anyone can do to validate your judgement.
> It is simply your opinion. What makes your opinion especially valuable?
>
> > Until then, it is up to you to prove me wrong.
>
> See above. There are arguably good judgement and poor judgement, but no
> judgement is provably right or wrong.

[Matt W. Barrow]

"Tina" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> Would you provide credible evidence that your statement
>
>
>> However, it is important to remain vigilant about potential abuse by
>> parents,
>> as it is extremely widespread, underreported, and rarely prosecuted.
>>
>
> is in any way valid?
>
> I thought not.

Well, he contends that it's all subjective, but he confuses opinions with
judgements and misses entirely HOW those judgements (abstractions) and
opinions (unsubstantiated judgements/decisions) are brought about.

HINT: "Floating" abstractions (based on concepts).

>
>> > Do your own damned research and come back to us with
>> > substantiated proof.
>>
>> Judgement is subjective by definition; it cannot be objectively proved.
>> Therefore there is any research that anyone can do to validate your
>> judgement.
>> It is simply your opinion. What makes your opinion especially valuable?
>>
>> > Until then, it is up to you to prove me wrong.
>>
>> See above. There are arguably good judgement and poor judgement, but no
>> judgement is provably right or wrong.
>
>

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> Gig 601XL Builder writes:
>
>> Except for creepy guys that move to France, have no job and are
>> anti-social.
>
> Even they are not as likely to abuse children as are the parents of
> those children.
>




Only because they run screaming when they see you coming,

Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> Gig 601XL Builder writes:
>
>> Well of course they are. But there are more reasons than concern
>> about abuse to keep your kids away from guys like MX.
>
> Not really. If the real concern is to protect children, then a lot
> more needs to be done to monitor the way parents treat their children.
> But no one ever actually does this for reasons I've already stated.
>


?



How the **** would you know, you childless twerp?



Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> A Guy Called Tyketto writes:
>
>> So now you're saying that people should treat parents (both
>> mother, father, and/or legal guardians) of a child or children with
>> vigilance, hysteria, and paranoia.
>
> No.
>
> Parents should be treated with extreme vigilance, as they are the
> greatest threat to their children. But there is no need for hysteria
> or paranoia, not only with respect to parents, but with respect to
> everyone else.
>
>> If that were the case, the same should have been done with
>> your parents regarding you.
>
> Vigilance would be useful for all parents.
>
> However, most parents are so rabidly and violently paranoid about
> interference with their own child-rearing activity that they are
> willing to let other parents beat and kill their own children with
> impunity in order to preserve imaginary parental "rights." And so
> abuse continues, and a great many of society's problems can be traced
> directly to poor parenting.
>
> It's ironic that the one area that affects the future of civilization
> more than anything else is left utterly and completely to chance.
>
>> You've blisfully cropped my second sentence to that paragraph,
>> which states: "Luckily for you, those men are men of character and
>> are above such things, and above you."
>
> Men of character do not engage in violent acts against those with whom
> they disagree.
>
>> Judging from what you have mentioned, it is plain to see that
>> you are not a parent, nor have ever been a parent.
>
> How might one go about validating your judgement?


One shold **** off and leave parenting to people who are capable of
reproduction.


Bertie
>

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> A Guy Called Tyketto writes:
>
>> Then following your logic, it would be deemed justifiable to be
>> vigilant towards your parents for conceiving you.
>
> No. Conceiving a child is not, in itself, any form of abuse.
>
> However, it is important to remain vigilant about potential abuse by
> parents, as it is extremely widespread, underreported, and rarely
> prosecuted.
>
>> Do your own damned research and come back to us with
>> substantiated proof.
>
> Judgement is subjective by definition; it cannot be objectively
> proved. Therefore there is any research that anyone can do to validate
> your judgement. It is simply your opinion. What makes your opinion
> especially valuable?
>
>> Until then, it is up to you to prove me wrong.
>
> See above. There are arguably good judgement and poor judgement, but
> no judgement is provably right or wrong.


You're an idiot.


Bertie
>

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

"Viperdoc" > wrote in news:47305a2f$0$19569
:

> "It is in fact very rare, and many of the cases that do exist exist only
> because the definition of molestation is so broad in so many areas (e.g.,
> kissing a student on the cheeck may count as molestation, even when one
> six-year-old kisses another)."
>
> So this is why Anthony now lives in France?
>
>
>

Trust me, the French don't like him any more than anyone else would

Bertie