SeeYou Mobile Question (units)

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I've just started to look a little closer at the features and settings
in SeeYou mobile. What I can't figure out is how to change the units
for the distance numbers that show up next to the waypoints on the
map. These are the ones that get a green box around them when you're
within glide range. I'm assuming the units are kilometers. Anyone know
how to change this? I've been through the user manual, but there's no
reference to this map feature at all. At least not that I can find.

Thanks,
Dave

[[email protected]]

On Nov 9, 1:37 pm, wrote:
> I've just started to look a little closer at the features and settings
> in SeeYou mobile. What I can't figure out is how to change the units
> for the distance numbers that show up next to the waypoints on the
> map. These are the ones that get a green box around them when you're
> within glide range. I'm assuming the units are kilometers. Anyone know
> how to change this? I've been through the user manual, but there's no
> reference to this map feature at all. At least not that I can find.
>
> Thanks,
> Dave

Dave

Are you looking at L/D required to reach the waypoint or the Distance.
Look at Menu>Settings>Wpts labelOne and labelTwo

Distance units are set in Menu>Settings>Units. They can also be set
when you use the Mobile Wizard to synch from SeeYou.

Darryl

[[email protected]]

On Nov 9, 3:55 pm, " >
wrote:
> On Nov 9, 1:37 pm, wrote:
>
> > I've just started to look a little closer at the features and settings
> > in SeeYou mobile. What I can't figure out is how to change the units
> > for the distance numbers that show up next to the waypoints on the
> > map. These are the ones that get a green box around them when you're
> > within glide range. I'm assuming the units are kilometers. Anyone know
> > how to change this? I've been through the user manual, but there's no
> > reference to this map feature at all. At least not that I can find.
>
> > Thanks,
> > Dave
>
> Dave
>
> Are you looking at L/D required to reach the waypoint or the Distance.
> Look at Menu>Settings>Wpts labelOne and labelTwo
>
> Distance units are set in Menu>Settings>Units. They can also be set
> when you use the Mobile Wizard to synch from SeeYou.
>
> Darryl

Thanks Darryl. I didn't even consider that the numbers shown could be
L/D. I assumed it was a distance number since it counts down as I get
closer. Of course L/D required would do the same. I don't have my PDA
with me right now, but I'll look at those two labels in the waypoints
settings the first chance I get. I know where the units settings are,
and that's what confused me. I was changing the units, but these
numbers on the map were not changing at all. Makes total sense now. I
guess if I would have had the L/D (nav box) displayed, I might have
noticed the correlation.

Thanks again,
Dave

[[email protected]]

On Nov 9, 3:55 pm, " >
wrote:
> On Nov 9, 1:37 pm, wrote:
>
> > I've just started to look a little closer at the features and settings
> > in SeeYou mobile. What I can't figure out is how to change the units
> > for the distance numbers that show up next to the waypoints on the
> > map. These are the ones that get a green box around them when you're
> > within glide range. I'm assuming the units are kilometers. Anyone know
> > how to change this? I've been through the user manual, but there's no
> > reference to this map feature at all. At least not that I can find.
>
> > Thanks,
> > Dave
>
> Dave
>
> Are you looking at L/D required to reach the waypoint or the Distance.
> Look at Menu>Settings>Wpts labelOne and labelTwo
>
> Distance units are set in Menu>Settings>Units. They can also be set
> when you use the Mobile Wizard to synch from SeeYou.
>
> Darryl

Another question for you. Do you know if the 302 sends all the
necessary data to SeeYou to calculate wind?

[Paul Remde]

Hi Dave,

Yes. SeeYou gets airspeed and wind data from the 302. The 302 calculates
the wind - not SeeYou. If SeeYou does not get wind data from the flight
computer it can calculate wind while circling, but the 302 also calculates
wind while cruising.

Let me know if you ever want some one-on-one phone support for SeeYou. I do
that quite often and my customers tell me it is worth every penny.

Good Soaring,

Paul Remde
Cumulus Soaring, Inc.
http://www.cumulus-soaring.com

> wrote in message
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> On Nov 9, 3:55 pm, " >
> wrote:
>> On Nov 9, 1:37 pm, wrote:
>>
>> > I've just started to look a little closer at the features and settings
>> > in SeeYou mobile. What I can't figure out is how to change the units
>> > for the distance numbers that show up next to the waypoints on the
>> > map. These are the ones that get a green box around them when you're
>> > within glide range. I'm assuming the units are kilometers. Anyone know
>> > how to change this? I've been through the user manual, but there's no
>> > reference to this map feature at all. At least not that I can find.
>>
>> > Thanks,
>> > Dave
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> Are you looking at L/D required to reach the waypoint or the Distance.
>> Look at Menu>Settings>Wpts labelOne and labelTwo
>>
>> Distance units are set in Menu>Settings>Units. They can also be set
>> when you use the Mobile Wizard to synch from SeeYou.
>>
>> Darryl
>
> Another question for you. Do you know if the 302 sends all the
> necessary data to SeeYou to calculate wind?
>

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On Nov 9, 5:05 pm, "Paul Remde" > wrote:
> Hi Dave,
>
> Yes. SeeYou gets airspeed and wind data from the 302. The 302 calculates
> the wind - not SeeYou. If SeeYou does not get wind data from the flight
> computer it can calculate wind while circling, but the 302 also calculates
> wind while cruising.
>
> Let me know if you ever want some one-on-one phone support for SeeYou. I do
> that quite often and my customers tell me it is worth every penny.
>
> Good Soaring,
>
> Paul Remde
> Cumulus Soaring, Inc.http://www.cumulus-soaring.com
>
> > wrote in message
>
> ps.com...
>
>
>
> > On Nov 9, 3:55 pm, " >
> > wrote:
> >> On Nov 9, 1:37 pm, wrote:
>
> >> > I've just started to look a little closer at the features and settings
> >> > in SeeYou mobile. What I can't figure out is how to change the units
> >> > for the distance numbers that show up next to the waypoints on the
> >> > map. These are the ones that get a green box around them when you're
> >> > within glide range. I'm assuming the units are kilometers. Anyone know
> >> > how to change this? I've been through the user manual, but there's no
> >> > reference to this map feature at all. At least not that I can find.
>
> >> > Thanks,
> >> > Dave
>
> >> Dave
>
> >> Are you looking at L/D required to reach the waypoint or the Distance.
> >> Look at Menu>Settings>Wpts labelOne and labelTwo
>
> >> Distance units are set in Menu>Settings>Units. They can also be set
> >> when you use the Mobile Wizard to synch from SeeYou.
>
> >> Darryl
>
> > Another question for you. Do you know if the 302 sends all the
> > necessary data to SeeYou to calculate wind?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Thanks Paul!

Yes, I am already aware of the excellent service you provide. Don't
know if you realize it, but I'm the same Dave that spoke to you
regarding the Dell Axim connectivity today. I'm looking forward to
getting the PDA integrated into my cockpit for next season. I'll be
talking to you soon to follow up on the Axim cabling.


Dave

[Greg Arnold]

Paul Remde wrote:
> Hi Dave,
>
> Yes. SeeYou gets airspeed and wind data from the 302. The 302 calculates
> the wind - not SeeYou.

So the 302A not only is a logger, but also has a computer that
calculates wind?


If SeeYou does not get wind data from the flight
> computer it can calculate wind while circling, but the 302 also calculates
> wind while cruising.
>
> Let me know if you ever want some one-on-one phone support for SeeYou. I do
> that quite often and my customers tell me it is worth every penny.
>
> Good Soaring,
>
> Paul Remde
>

[[email protected]]

On Nov 9, 3:05 pm, "Paul Remde" > wrote:
> Hi Dave,
>
> Yes. SeeYou gets airspeed and wind data from the 302. The 302 calculates
> the wind - not SeeYou. If SeeYou does not get wind data from the flight
> computer it can calculate wind while circling, but the 302 also calculates
> wind while cruising.
>
> Let me know if you ever want some one-on-one phone support for SeeYou. I do
> that quite often and my customers tell me it is worth every penny.
>
> Good Soaring,
>
> Paul Remde
> Cumulus Soaring, Inc.http://www.cumulus-soaring.com
>
> > wrote in message


[snip]

Paul - ah are you sure? SeeYou Mobile also gets true airspeed and
other data from the 302. SeeYou Mobile is quite capable of using those
to guestimate non-circling winds. And it was my impression that it did
this and does not directly use the calculated wind data (that is also
passed from the 302). It certainly appears to behave that way to me.

Dave FYI the Cambridge dataport reference manual is an interesting
read, and SeeYou has a terminal mode (Menu>Settings>Hardware>Terminal)
you can look at what is going over the wire. That has helped me in the
past at least understand some behavior of SeeYou (and file a bug :-))
- SeeYou support is pretty darn good, check out their Forums. See
http://www.cambridge-aero.com/manuals/dataport_300_sv517_rev21.pdf


Cheers


Darryl

[Marc Ramsey[_2_]]

Greg Arnold wrote:
> Paul Remde wrote:
>> Hi Dave,
>>
>> Yes. SeeYou gets airspeed and wind data from the 302. The 302
>> calculates
>> the wind - not SeeYou.
>
> So the 302A not only is a logger, but also has a computer that
> calculates wind?

No, the 302 flight computer calculates wind. The 302A flight recorder
does not...

Marc

[Greg Arnold]

Marc Ramsey wrote:
> Greg Arnold wrote:
>> Paul Remde wrote:
>>> Hi Dave,
>>>
>>> Yes. SeeYou gets airspeed and wind data from the 302. The 302
>>> calculates
>>> the wind - not SeeYou.
>>
>> So the 302A not only is a logger, but also has a computer that
>> calculates wind?
>
> No, the 302 flight computer calculates wind. The 302A flight recorder
> does not...
>
> Marc

The 303 manual says that the 303 calculates the wind. Why would it do
that if the 302 does the same thing?

I don't understand why Cambridge would go to the expense of putting a
wind calculation computer in the 302 when the 302 always will be
connected to another instrument (303 or PDA) that can calculate the
wind. Basically, wind calculation in the 302 would serve no purpose, it
seems.

[[email protected]]

On Nov 9, 5:46 pm, Greg Arnold > wrote:
> Marc Ramsey wrote:
> > Greg Arnold wrote:
> >> Paul Remde wrote:
> >>> Hi Dave,
>
> >>> Yes. SeeYou gets airspeed and wind data from the 302. The 302
> >>> calculates
> >>> the wind - not SeeYou.
>
> >> So the 302A not only is a logger, but also has a computer that
> >> calculates wind?
>
> > No, the 302 flight computer calculates wind. The 302A flight recorder
> > does not...
>
> > Marc
>
> The 303 manual says that the 303 calculates the wind. Why would it do
> that if the 302 does the same thing?
>
> I don't understand why Cambridge would go to the expense of putting a
> wind calculation computer in the 302 when the 302 always will be
> connected to another instrument (303 or PDA) that can calculate the
> wind. Basically, wind calculation in the 302 would serve no purpose, it
> seems.

The 302 definitely calculates the wind. The 303 is a pretty dumb I2C
serial display, the "computer" is the 302. The *cost* of calculating
the wind in the 302 is likely dominated by the instrumentation
hardware used to measure air temp, pitot pressure and calculate TAS
etc. Since there is already a processor there the additional cost is
just software

Darryl

[Marc Ramsey[_2_]]

Greg Arnold wrote:
> Marc Ramsey wrote:
>> Greg Arnold wrote:
>>> Paul Remde wrote:
>>>> Hi Dave,
>>>>
>>>> Yes. SeeYou gets airspeed and wind data from the 302. The 302
>>>> calculates
>>>> the wind - not SeeYou.
>>>
>>> So the 302A not only is a logger, but also has a computer that
>>> calculates wind?
>>
>> No, the 302 flight computer calculates wind. The 302A flight recorder
>> does not...
>>
>> Marc
>
> The 303 manual says that the 303 calculates the wind. Why would it do
> that if the 302 does the same thing?

I've never actually used a 303, but there are several things it will do
when connected to a 302, that it simply doesn't do when connected to a
302A. Displaying wind may be one of them.

> I don't understand why Cambridge would go to the expense of putting a
> wind calculation computer in the 302 when the 302 always will be
> connected to another instrument (303 or PDA) that can calculate the
> wind. Basically, wind calculation in the 302 would serve no purpose, it
> seems.

I wrote my own PDA software, and have used it with both a 302 and a
302A. The 302 data stream contains wind speed and direction (which is
pretty close to what I calculate using my own TAS/GS based circling wind
calculation) and headwind component (along with a bunch of other data),
the 302A does not. Make of that what you will...

Marc

[Greg Arnold]

Marc Ramsey wrote:

>
> I wrote my own PDA software, and have used it with both a 302 and a
> 302A. The 302 data stream contains wind speed and direction (which is
> pretty close to what I calculate using my own TAS/GS based circling wind
> calculation) and headwind component (along with a bunch of other data),
> the 302A does not. Make of that what you will...

Interesting -- they must have given the 302 that capacity so it could
output to the 303.

[Wayne Paul]

"Greg Arnold" > wrote in message
...
> Marc Ramsey wrote:
>
>>
>> I wrote my own PDA software, and have used it with both a 302 and a 302A.
>> The 302 data stream contains wind speed and direction (which is pretty
>> close to what I calculate using my own TAS/GS based circling wind
>> calculation) and headwind component (along with a bunch of other data),
>> the 302A does not. Make of that what you will...
>
> Interesting -- they must have given the 302 that capacity so it could
> output to the 303.
>
Greg,

They gave the 302 that capacity so it could talk to the Compaq 15xx PDA
software and the 303.

Back in the mid 1990s, Cambridge to distribute Pocket Nav PDA software. It
was very simular to Glide Navigator (same author.) The "Standard" version
was/is free. The standard verson works well with a generic GPS like the
Garmin 12XL. The "Plus" version, which wasn't free, provided an interface
with both the Model 20 data recorder and L-Nav/S-Nav. The characteristics of
Pocket Nav Standard/Plus can be seen at
http://www.cambridge-aero.com/pocketNAV.htm.

The 302 interface provides enhanced capabilities of both the old flight
recorder and L-Nav/S-Nav.

Locally we have two glider still running the Standard version in combination
with a Garmin 12XL and EW Model D. Two pilots have 302s. One runs the
Cambridge software and the other Glide Navigator II. Two pilots have the new
microRecorder and run Glider Navigator II on their PDAs. I run Glide
Navigator II in combination with a Garmin 12XL and EW Model D.

Wayne

[Paul Remde]

Hi,

I stand corrected. Andrej at SeeYou confirmed that SeeYou uses the airspeed
information from the 302 and calculates the wind independently. It does not
use the 302 supplied wind calculation. The 302 calculates only a single
wind number (if I remember correctly). SeeYou calculates winds at several
altitudes (if I remember correctly).

That would explain why some pilots see different numbers in SeeYou than they
do on their 303 display.

Good Soaring,

Paul Remde
Cumulus Soaring, Inc.
http://www.cumulus-soaring.com


> wrote in message
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> On Nov 9, 3:05 pm, "Paul Remde" > wrote:
>> Hi Dave,
>>
>> Yes. SeeYou gets airspeed and wind data from the 302. The 302
>> calculates
>> the wind - not SeeYou. If SeeYou does not get wind data from the flight
>> computer it can calculate wind while circling, but the 302 also
>> calculates
>> wind while cruising.
>>
>> Let me know if you ever want some one-on-one phone support for SeeYou. I
>> do
>> that quite often and my customers tell me it is worth every penny.
>>
>> Good Soaring,
>>
>> Paul Remde
>> Cumulus Soaring, Inc.http://www.cumulus-soaring.com
>>
>> > wrote in message
>
>
> [snip]
>
> Paul - ah are you sure? SeeYou Mobile also gets true airspeed and
> other data from the 302. SeeYou Mobile is quite capable of using those
> to guestimate non-circling winds. And it was my impression that it did
> this and does not directly use the calculated wind data (that is also
> passed from the 302). It certainly appears to behave that way to me.
>
> Dave FYI the Cambridge dataport reference manual is an interesting
> read, and SeeYou has a terminal mode (Menu>Settings>Hardware>Terminal)
> you can look at what is going over the wire. That has helped me in the
> past at least understand some behavior of SeeYou (and file a bug :-))
> - SeeYou support is pretty darn good, check out their Forums. See
> http://www.cambridge-aero.com/manuals/dataport_300_sv517_rev21.pdf
>
>
> Cheers
>
>
> Darryl
>

[Mike125]

Paul,

Is your instructional CD for CU Mobile still in the works?

Mike

[Paul Remde]

Hi Mike,

Thanks for asking. I have the best intentions, but I have not started it
yet. The SeeYou for PC training CDs have sold very well. I hope to get to
it soon.

Good Soaring,

Paul Remde
Cumulus Soaring, Inc.
http://www.cumulus-soaring.com

"Mike125" > wrote in message
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> Paul,
>
> Is your instructional CD for CU Mobile still in the works?
>
> Mike
>