Ultimate Biplane crash in Ossipee. NH (N38PC)

[Martin X. Moleski, SJ]

LD Jeffries lost his biplane on Saturday, but
jumped in time to save his life.

Superb post-crash interview here:

http://www.wmur.com/news/14576272/detail.html

The aircraft was a 10-200 Ultimate Biplane
built by Richard Brand in 1993. Everyone
who saw it said it was a beautiful aircraft.

Marty
--
Big-8 newsgroups: humanities.*, misc.*, news.*, rec.*, sci.*, soc.*, talk.*
See http://www.big-8.org for info on how to add or remove newsgroups.

[Ron Wanttaja]

On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 17:53:10 -0500, "Martin X. Moleski, SJ"
> wrote:

> LD Jeffries lost his biplane on Saturday, but
> jumped in time to save his life.
>
> Superb post-crash interview here:
>
> http://www.wmur.com/news/14576272/detail.html

Well... describing him as "a former paramilitary" is probably a tad off.

"paramilitaries can include...Illegal forces which consider themselves military
but which governments consider terrorist." (Wikipedia)

From the description, the guy sounds like ex-Pararescue....quite a bit different

I also enjoyed the FAA's description of this accident:

"AIRCRAFT CRASHED DURING ACROBATIC MANEUVERS; AT 1500 FEET THE PILOT EJECTED AND
PARACHUTED TO THE GROUND, OSSIPEE, NH"

"Ejected"??!!

Ron Wanttaja

[Martin X. Moleski, SJ]

On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 19:07:48 -0800, Ron Wanttaja > wrote in
>:

>> Superb post-crash interview here:

>> http://www.wmur.com/news/14576272/detail.html

>Well... describing him as "a former paramilitary" is probably a tad off.

>"paramilitaries can include...Illegal forces which consider themselves military
>but which governments consider terrorist." (Wikipedia)

>From the description, the guy sounds like ex-Pararescue....quite a bit different

Yes. He used the right word in the 11-minute, uncut
interview that is available from the link above. He
was also in the military.

I've done a summary of that interview here:

http://moleski.net/ULTBIPE/n38pc.htm

>I also enjoyed the FAA's description of this accident:

>"AIRCRAFT CRASHED DURING ACROBATIC MANEUVERS; AT 1500 FEET THE PILOT EJECTED AND
>PARACHUTED TO THE GROUND, OSSIPEE, NH"

>"Ejected"??!!

He's pretty clear in the interview that he released
the canopy, which blew away quickly, then his harness,
and was pretty much thrown from the plane without
further ado.

No ejection seat was involved, of course. :o)

Marty
--
Big-8 newsgroups: humanities.*, misc.*, news.*, rec.*, sci.*, soc.*, talk.*
See http://www.big-8.org for info on how to add or remove newsgroups.

[Matt Whiting]

Ron Wanttaja wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 17:53:10 -0500, "Martin X. Moleski, SJ"
> > wrote:
>
>> LD Jeffries lost his biplane on Saturday, but
>> jumped in time to save his life.
>>
>> Superb post-crash interview here:
>>
>> http://www.wmur.com/news/14576272/detail.html
>
> Well... describing him as "a former paramilitary" is probably a tad off.
>
> "paramilitaries can include...Illegal forces which consider themselves military
> but which governments consider terrorist." (Wikipedia)
>
> From the description, the guy sounds like ex-Pararescue....quite a bit different
>
> I also enjoyed the FAA's description of this accident:
>
> "AIRCRAFT CRASHED DURING ACROBATIC MANEUVERS; AT 1500 FEET THE PILOT EJECTED AND
> PARACHUTED TO THE GROUND, OSSIPEE, NH"
>
> "Ejected"??!!

Did you check his skivvies. :-)

[Veeduber]

> "AIRCRAFT CRASHED DURING ACROBATIC MANEUVERS; AT 1500 FEET THE PILOT EJECTED AND
> PARACHUTED TO THE GROUND, OSSIPEE, NH"
>
> "Ejected"??!!
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Possible.

We'll need to examine the condition of his trousers to know for sure.

[Big John]

On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 00:32:24 -0500, "Martin X. Moleski, SJ"
> wrote:

>On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 19:07:48 -0800, Ron Wanttaja > wrote in
>:
>
>>> Superb post-crash interview here:
>
>>> http://www.wmur.com/news/14576272/detail.html
>
>>Well... describing him as "a former paramilitary" is probably a tad off.
>
>>"paramilitaries can include...Illegal forces which consider themselves military
>>but which governments consider terrorist." (Wikipedia)
>
>>From the description, the guy sounds like ex-Pararescue....quite a bit different
>
>Yes. He used the right word in the 11-minute, uncut
>interview that is available from the link above. He
>was also in the military.
>
>I've done a summary of that interview here:
>
>http://moleski.net/ULTBIPE/n38pc.htm
>
>>I also enjoyed the FAA's description of this accident:
>
>>"AIRCRAFT CRASHED DURING ACROBATIC MANEUVERS; AT 1500 FEET THE PILOT EJECTED AND
>>PARACHUTED TO THE GROUND, OSSIPEE, NH"
>
>>"Ejected"??!!
>
>He's pretty clear in the interview that he released
>the canopy, which blew away quickly, then his harness,
>and was pretty much thrown from the plane without
>further ado.
>
>No ejection seat was involved, of course. :o)
>
> Marty


He made a comment about probably giving a bottle of booze to the
rigger.

That is an old custom in the Military. After I ejected (in an ejection
seat) and the chute saved my ass, when I returned to Home Plate I went
to the Parachute shop and found the guy who had packed my chute and
gave him a bottle of good booze and my thanks.

Told him how good a job he did and to keep up the good work.

Big John

[Martin X. Moleski, SJ]

On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 11:28:43 -0600, Big John > wrote in >:

>>>> http://www.wmur.com/news/14576272/detail.html

>He made a comment about probably giving a bottle of booze to the
>rigger.

>That is an old custom in the Military. After I ejected (in an ejection
>seat) and the chute saved my ass, when I returned to Home Plate I went
>to the Parachute shop and found the guy who had packed my chute and
>gave him a bottle of good booze and my thanks.

>Told him how good a job he did and to keep up the good work.

It's a splendid tradition.

I wonder whether the folks who use Ballistic Recovery Systems
do the same nowadays? :o)

Marty
--
Big-8 newsgroups: humanities.*, misc.*, news.*, rec.*, sci.*, soc.*, talk.*
See http://www.big-8.org for info on how to add or remove newsgroups.

[Kloudy via AviationKB.com]

Martin X. Moleski, SJ wrote:
>
>I wonder whether the folks who use Ballistic Recovery Systems
>do the same nowadays? :o)
>
> Marty

Probably gift some booze and a pack of bottle rockets.

--
Message posted via AviationKB.com
http://www.aviationkb.com/Uwe/Forums.aspx/aviation/200711/1

[Blueskies]

"Ron Wanttaja" > wrote in message ...
>
> "AIRCRAFT CRASHED DURING ACROBATIC MANEUVERS; AT 1500 FEET THE PILOT EJECTED AND
> PARACHUTED TO THE GROUND, OSSIPEE, NH"
>
> "Ejected"??!!
>
> Ron Wanttaja

Maybe should say 'was ejected'...

[Morgans[_2_]]

"Richard Riley" <> wrote

> WAS
> THE PILOT EJECTED
^
In as much as the driver of a car can be thrown out of a rolling wrecked
car, and be reported as ejected, the same musta' happened for this pilot,
but obviously without an ejection seat.

So, from our point of view, it is an inaccurate description, but it would be
totally accurate to the majority of the public.
--
Jim in NC

[Martin X. Moleski, SJ]

On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 17:45:24 -0500, "Morgans" > wrote in >:

>"Richard Riley" <> wrote
>
>> WAS
>> THE PILOT EJECTED
> ^
>In as much as the driver of a car can be thrown out of a rolling wrecked
>car, and be reported as ejected, the same musta' happened for this pilot,
>but obviously without an ejection seat.

>So, from our point of view, it is an inaccurate description, but it would be
>totally accurate to the majority of the public.

Richard's suggested change to the text (from "ejected" to "was ejected")
fits LD's description of what happened perfectly and matches your
analysis.

I've listened to his 11-minute interview several times. He speaks
as if he didn't have to do anything to get out of the plane.
Once he released his seat belts, he seems to have been thrown out
without any effort on his part.

Marty
--
Big-8 newsgroups: humanities.*, misc.*, news.*, rec.*, sci.*, soc.*, talk.*
See http://www.big-8.org for info on how to add or remove newsgroups.

[Ron Wanttaja]

On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 19:45:16 -0500, "Martin X. Moleski, SJ"
> wrote:

> On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 17:45:24 -0500, "Morgans" > wrote in >:
>
> >"Richard Riley" <> wrote
> >
> >> WAS
> >> THE PILOT EJECTED
> > ^
> >In as much as the driver of a car can be thrown out of a rolling wrecked
> >car, and be reported as ejected, the same musta' happened for this pilot,
> >but obviously without an ejection seat.
>
> >So, from our point of view, it is an inaccurate description, but it would be
> >totally accurate to the majority of the public.
>
> Richard's suggested change to the text (from "ejected" to "was ejected")
> fits LD's description of what happened perfectly and matches your
> analysis.

I'd expect it from a typical media source, but the "PILOT WAS EJECTED" quote was
from the FAA accident report. Figured those guys would know better....

Ron Wanttaja

[Ron Wanttaja]

On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 19:45:16 -0500, "Martin X. Moleski, SJ"
> wrote:

> >> WAS
> >> THE PILOT EJECTED
> > ^
> >In as much as the driver of a car can be thrown out of a rolling wrecked
> >car, and be reported as ejected, the same musta' happened for this pilot,
> >but obviously without an ejection seat.
>
> >So, from our point of view, it is an inaccurate description, but it would be
> >totally accurate to the majority of the public.
>
> Richard's suggested change to the text (from "ejected" to "was ejected")
> fits LD's description of what happened perfectly and matches your
> analysis.
>
> I've listened to his 11-minute interview several times. He speaks
> as if he didn't have to do anything to get out of the plane.
> Once he released his seat belts, he seems to have been thrown out
> without any effort on his part.

I'd expect it from a typical media source, but the "THE PILOT EJECTED" quote was
from the FAA accident report. Figured those guys would know better....

Ron Wanttaja

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Ron Wanttaja > wrote in
:

> On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 19:45:16 -0500, "Martin X. Moleski, SJ"
> > wrote:
>
>> >> WAS
>> >> THE PILOT EJECTED
>> > ^
>> >In as much as the driver of a car can be thrown out of a rolling
>> >wrecked car, and be reported as ejected, the same musta' happened
>> >for this pilot, but obviously without an ejection seat.
>>
>> >So, from our point of view, it is an inaccurate description, but it
>> >would be totally accurate to the majority of the public.
>>
>> Richard's suggested change to the text (from "ejected" to "was
>> ejected") fits LD's description of what happened perfectly and
>> matches your analysis.
>>
>> I've listened to his 11-minute interview several times. He speaks
>> as if he didn't have to do anything to get out of the plane.
>> Once he released his seat belts, he seems to have been thrown out
>> without any effort on his part.
>
> I'd expect it from a typical media source, but the "THE PILOT EJECTED"
> quote was from the FAA accident report. Figured those guys would know
> better....


Well, if he was flung out of the airplane, it's accurate.


Bertie

[Tina]

"the pilot was ejected" is how one might describe getting thrown from
a car as well, whereas just "the pilot ejected" would suggest the
pilot had an active role, as in causing his seat to eject him.

The important thing, of course, is the pilot is not part of the rubble
that used to be an airplane.

On Nov 15, 4:04 am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> Ron Wanttaja > wrote :
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 19:45:16 -0500, "Martin X. Moleski, SJ"
> > > wrote:
>
> >> >> WAS
> >> >> THE PILOT EJECTED
> >> > ^
> >> >In as much as the driver of a car can be thrown out of a rolling
> >> >wrecked car, and be reported as ejected, the same musta' happened
> >> >for this pilot, but obviously without an ejection seat.
>
> >> >So, from our point of view, it is an inaccurate description, but it
> >> >would be totally accurate to the majority of the public.
>
> >> Richard's suggested change to the text (from "ejected" to "was
> >> ejected") fits LD's description of what happened perfectly and
> >> matches your analysis.
>
> >> I've listened to his 11-minute interview several times. He speaks
> >> as if he didn't have to do anything to get out of the plane.
> >> Once he released his seat belts, he seems to have been thrown out
> >> without any effort on his part.
>
> > I'd expect it from a typical media source, but the "THE PILOT EJECTED"
> > quote was from the FAA accident report. Figured those guys would know
> > better....
>
> Well, if he was flung out of the airplane, it's accurate.
>
> Bertie- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Tina > wrote in
:

> "the pilot was ejected" is how one might describe getting thrown from
> a car as well, whereas just "the pilot ejected" would suggest the
> pilot had an active role, as in causing his seat to eject him.

Exactly, but what I was alluding to is the fact that the term "ejection
seat" didn't arrive out of thin air. Far from suggesting one or the other,
the precise wording either way would do more than suggest, it would define
what happened.


Bertie

[Big John]

On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 11:28:43 -0600, Big John >
wrote:

>On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 00:32:24 -0500, "Martin X. Moleski, SJ"
> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 19:07:48 -0800, Ron Wanttaja > wrote in
>:
>>
>>>> Superb post-crash interview here:
>>
>>>> http://www.wmur.com/news/14576272/detail.html
>>
>>>Well... describing him as "a former paramilitary" is probably a tad off.
>>
>>>"paramilitaries can include...Illegal forces which consider themselves military
>>>but which governments consider terrorist." (Wikipedia)
>>
>>>From the description, the guy sounds like ex-Pararescue....quite a bit different
>>
>>Yes. He used the right word in the 11-minute, uncut
>>interview that is available from the link above. He
>>was also in the military.
>>
>>I've done a summary of that interview here:
>>
>>http://moleski.net/ULTBIPE/n38pc.htm
>>
>>>I also enjoyed the FAA's description of this accident:
>>
>>>"AIRCRAFT CRASHED DURING ACROBATIC MANEUVERS; AT 1500 FEET THE PILOT EJECTED AND
>>>PARACHUTED TO THE GROUND, OSSIPEE, NH"
>>
>>>"Ejected"??!!
>>
>>He's pretty clear in the interview that he released
>>the canopy, which blew away quickly, then his harness,
>>and was pretty much thrown from the plane without
>>further ado.
>>
>>No ejection seat was involved, of course. :o)
>>
>> Marty
>
>
>He made a comment about probably giving a bottle of booze to the
>rigger.
>
>That is an old custom in the Military. After I ejected (in an ejection
>seat) and the chute saved my ass, when I returned to Home Plate I went
>to the Parachute shop and found the guy who had packed my chute and
>gave him a bottle of good booze and my thanks.
>
>Told him how good a job he did and to keep up the good work.
>
>Big John
***************************

I also joined the Caterpillar Club, another old time custom, and got
my pin.

Big John

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Big John > wrote in
:

> On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 11:28:43 -0600, Big John >
> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 00:32:24 -0500, "Martin X. Moleski, SJ"
> wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 19:07:48 -0800, Ron Wanttaja
> wrote in
>:
>>>
>>>>> Superb post-crash interview here:
>>>
>>>>> http://www.wmur.com/news/14576272/detail.html
>>>
>>>>Well... describing him as "a former paramilitary" is probably a tad
>>>>off.
>>>
>>>>"paramilitaries can include...Illegal forces which consider
>>>>themselves military but which governments consider terrorist."
>>>>(Wikipedia)
>>>
>>>>From the description, the guy sounds like ex-Pararescue....quite a
>>>>bit different
>>>
>>>Yes. He used the right word in the 11-minute, uncut
>>>interview that is available from the link above. He
>>>was also in the military.
>>>
>>>I've done a summary of that interview here:
>>>
>>>http://moleski.net/ULTBIPE/n38pc.htm
>>>
>>>>I also enjoyed the FAA's description of this accident:
>>>
>>>>"AIRCRAFT CRASHED DURING ACROBATIC MANEUVERS; AT 1500 FEET THE PILOT
>>>>EJECTED AND PARACHUTED TO THE GROUND, OSSIPEE, NH"
>>>
>>>>"Ejected"??!!
>>>
>>>He's pretty clear in the interview that he released
>>>the canopy, which blew away quickly, then his harness,
>>>and was pretty much thrown from the plane without
>>>further ado.
>>>
>>>No ejection seat was involved, of course. :o)
>>>
>>> Marty
>>
>>
>>He made a comment about probably giving a bottle of booze to the
>>rigger.
>>
>>That is an old custom in the Military. After I ejected (in an ejection
>>seat) and the chute saved my ass, when I returned to Home Plate I went
>>to the Parachute shop and found the guy who had packed my chute and
>>gave him a bottle of good booze and my thanks.
>>
>>Told him how good a job he did and to keep up the good work.
>>
>>Big John
> ***************************
>
> I also joined the Caterpillar Club, another old time custom, and got
> my pin.
>

How?

What type?

Bertie