Re: ASW 20 BL polar file

[Steve Leonard]

I think what Bert was saying was that a little lift
on the glide, and your 20 will match a 20B. Or a little
sink on the run, and your 20B will fall behind a 20.

I would start off with the stock 20 polar, or maybe
shift it better by 2 or 3 MPH for the same sink rates.
Fly this, and see how your plane does relative to
that polar. Just think how happy you will be if your
glider is better than the polar you enter into your
glide computer (you get home higher than you thought
you could!) and how sad you will be if it is not as
good as the polar (you keep meeting cows and farmers
within 5 miles of your home field).

Remember, the differences between serial numbers of
the same model can be far mor than the difference between
models.

Start conservative, and work up to what it really can
do.

My nickel's worth.

Steve Leonard

[Bert Willing[_2_]]

No. What I was saying is that the airfoils of the B/C models didn't bring
any significant improvements in performance, simple as that. Now if you want
to believe the manufacturer's data with 46:1 for a BL, that would be purely
wishful thinking... Nothing wrong with it, except when low on long final :-)
:-)

In comparison, my Ventus CM with 17.6m is given with 48:1, and has been
measured with 46:1 (and that is what you get as an answer if you ask
Schempp-Hirth today). There is no way that a 20BL will perform as well as a
Ventus C.

The ASW20 was measured by the Idaflieg with 41.3:1 at somethingh like 95kph
(36 kg/m2) in 15m.
The B-model has a higher wing loading, that's about it.

It is very true that a good ASW20 will easily burn a not-so-good ASW20B/C.

Bert

"Steve Leonard" > wrote in message
...
>I think what Bert was saying was that a little lift
> on the glide, and your 20 will match a 20B. Or a little
> sink on the run, and your 20B will fall behind a 20.
>
> I would start off with the stock 20 polar, or maybe
> shift it better by 2 or 3 MPH for the same sink rates.
> Fly this, and see how your plane does relative to
> that polar. Just think how happy you will be if your
> glider is better than the polar you enter into your
> glide computer (you get home higher than you thought
> you could!) and how sad you will be if it is not as
> good as the polar (you keep meeting cows and farmers
> within 5 miles of your home field).
>
> Remember, the differences between serial numbers of
> the same model can be far mor than the difference between
> models.
>
> Start conservative, and work up to what it really can
> do.
>
> My nickel's worth.
>
> Steve Leonard
>
>
>

[--=JJay=--[_2_]]

Bert Willing pisze:
> No. What I was saying is that the airfoils of the B/C models didn't bring
> any significant improvements in performance, simple as that. Now if you want
> to believe the manufacturer's data with 46:1 for a BL, that would be purely
> wishful thinking... Nothing wrong with it, except when low on long final :-)
> :-)
>
> In comparison, my Ventus CM with 17.6m is given with 48:1, and has been
> measured with 46:1 (and that is what you get as an answer if you ask
> Schempp-Hirth today). There is no way that a 20BL will perform as well as a
> Ventus C.
>
> The ASW20 was measured by the Idaflieg with 41.3:1 at somethingh like 95kph
> (36 kg/m2) in 15m.
> The B-model has a higher wing loading, that's about it.
>
> It is very true that a good ASW20 will easily burn a not-so-good ASW20B/C.

OK that answer told me much more :) I'm looking for this polar and
manual to help my friend who is soon going to fly one in Africa. He
doesn't know this glider and will not have much time to experiment so he
wants to prepare as good as he can before going there.
Burt and Steve, thank you for answer.

PS
I'm still looking for manual in English :)

regards
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--=JJay=--
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[Markus Graeber]

> I'm still looking for manual in English :)

A quick search with Google revealed this:

http://mgrim.nl/_downloads/asw20l/asw20-flight-manual.pdf

It is for the ASW 20 though, not BL or any other derivate.

Markus

[--=JJay=--[_2_]]

Markus Graeber pisze:
>> I'm still looking for manual in English :)
>
> A quick search with Google revealed this:
>
> http://mgrim.nl/_downloads/asw20l/asw20-flight-manual.pdf
>
> It is for the ASW 20 though, not BL or any other derivate.

Thanks a lot :) It was so obvious that I didn't even try to look for it
on google :)

regards
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--=JJay=--
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