Are there any "pilot" watches that are actually helpful for pilots?

[es330td]

I am in the market for a new watch and thought that if I am going to
be a pilot I would see if there was something that I could use to
assist me in flying. My first thought was that something that was
Indiglo with larger numbers so I could see it easily at night would be
good as would one with two time zones so I can have one set to Zulu
and one to local. A countdown timer and stopwatch might come in
handy.

I went looking on the 'Net and found watches with compasses and
altimeters and even an E6-B but I question the value of those. If I
am ever in a situation where my altimeter, gyro, wet compass and both
GPS units , one a battery powered 96C, that show me heading and
altitude in the plane have failed I should lose my license for not
putting down long before I have to rely on a compass or altimeter in a
wris****ch.

For the people who have flown, have any of you found a watch with any
special features that actually helped you in performing your piloting
tasks?

Thanks

[Kingfish]

On Nov 16, 8:31 am, es330td > wrote:
> I am in the market for a new watch and thought that if I am going to
> be a pilot I would see if there was something that I could use to
> assist me in flying. My first thought was that something that was
> Indiglo with larger numbers so I could see it easily at night would be
> good as would one with two time zones so I can have one set to Zulu
> and one to local. A countdown timer and stopwatch might come in
> handy.
>
> I went looking on the 'Net and found watches with compasses and
> altimeters and even an E6-B but I question the value of those. If I
> am ever in a situation where my altimeter, gyro, wet compass and both
> GPS units , one a battery powered 96C, that show me heading and
> altitude in the plane have failed I should lose my license for not
> putting down long before I have to rely on a compass or altimeter in a
> wris****ch.
>
> For the people who have flown, have any of you found a watch with any
> special features that actually helped you in performing your piloting
> tasks?
>
> Thanks

You must be joking. We dont' buy pilot watches to tell time - like the
replica AVG bomber jackets, they're strictly a fashion accessory...
(I'd mortgage my mother for a Breitling Navitimer though)

Silly noob. : )

Nice guitar BTW. I have a Les Paul meself.

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

Kingfish wrote:
> On Nov 16, 8:31 am, es330td > wrote:
>> I am in the market for a new watch and thought that if I am going to
>> be a pilot I would see if there was something that I could use to
>> assist me in flying. My first thought was that something that was
>> Indiglo with larger numbers so I could see it easily at night would be
>> good as would one with two time zones so I can have one set to Zulu
>> and one to local. A countdown timer and stopwatch might come in
>> handy.
>>
>> I went looking on the 'Net and found watches with compasses and
>> altimeters and even an E6-B but I question the value of those. If I
>> am ever in a situation where my altimeter, gyro, wet compass and both
>> GPS units , one a battery powered 96C, that show me heading and
>> altitude in the plane have failed I should lose my license for not
>> putting down long before I have to rely on a compass or altimeter in a
>> wris****ch.
>>
>> For the people who have flown, have any of you found a watch with any
>> special features that actually helped you in performing your piloting
>> tasks?
>>
>> Thanks
>
> You must be joking. We dont' buy pilot watches to tell time - like the
> replica AVG bomber jackets, they're strictly a fashion accessory...
> (I'd mortgage my mother for a Breitling Navitimer though)
>
> Silly noob. : )
>
> Nice guitar BTW. I have a Les Paul meself.

I have a Brietling Navitimer available for sale if you want it.

--
Dudley Henriques

[es330td]

On Nov 16, 11:06 am, Dudley Henriques > wrote:
>
> I have a Brietling Navitimer available for sale if you want it.
>
That is a very nice watch but I'd be afraid to wear a watch like
that. It would be like driving a brand new Ferrari. I'd be too afraid
of it getting dinged or damaged to ever take it out. Thanks for the
offer, though.

[es330td]

On Nov 16, 11:19 am, es330td > wrote:
> On Nov 16, 11:06 am, Dudley Henriques > wrote:
>
> > I have a Brietling Navitimer available for sale if you want it.
>
> That is a very nice watch but I'd be afraid to wear a watch like
> that. It would be like driving a brand new Ferrari. I'd be too afraid
> of it getting dinged or damaged to ever take it out. Thanks for the
> offer, though.

I just realized you were talking to Kingfish, not me. Sorry.

[Larry Dighera]

On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 05:31:45 -0800 (PST), es330td >
wrote in
>:

>For the people who have flown, have any of you found a watch with any
>special features that actually helped you in performing your piloting
>tasks?

Here's a wris****ch you can wear in the vacuum of space:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omega_Speedmaster_Professional
The Omega Speedmaster was the first watch to be worn on the Moon
with Apollo 11. In April 1970, it was used to manually time the
secondary rocket burns to bring the crippled Apollo 13 spacecraft
back to Earth.

[es330td]

On Nov 16, 10:07 am, Kingfish > wrote:
> On Nov 16, 8:31 am, es330td > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > I am in the market for a new watch and thought that if I am going to
> > be a pilot I would see if there was something that I could use to
> > assist me in flying. My first thought was that something that was
> > Indiglo with larger numbers so I could see it easily at night would be
> > good as would one with two time zones so I can have one set to Zulu
> > and one to local. A countdown timer and stopwatch might come in
> > handy.
>
> > I went looking on the 'Net and found watches with compasses and
> > altimeters and even an E6-B but I question the value of those. If I
> > am ever in a situation where my altimeter, gyro, wet compass and both
> > GPS units , one a battery powered 96C, that show me heading and
> > altitude in the plane have failed I should lose my license for not
> > putting down long before I have to rely on a compass or altimeter in a
> > wris****ch.
>
> > For the people who have flown, have any of you found a watch with any
> > special features that actually helped you in performing your piloting
> > tasks?
>
> > Thanks
>
> You must be joking. We dont' buy pilot watches to tell time - like the
> replica AVG bomber jackets, they're strictly a fashion accessory...

Got it. Unfortunately, I can either pay to be a pilot or look like a
pilot. I'm going to have to go with giving my money to the flying
club so I can fly in a rectangle at $90/hr.

> Nice guitar BTW. I have a Les Paul meself.- Hide quoted text -
>
Thanks. Not many people even know what that is if I tell them, much
less recognize it from my username. I can't do it justice yet but I
do appreciate what I am playing on.

[John[_1_]]

On Nov 16, 11:29 am, es330td > wrote:
> On Nov 16, 10:07 am, Kingfish > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Nov 16, 8:31 am, es330td > wrote:
>
> > > I am in the market for a new watch and thought that if I am going to
> > > be a pilot I would see if there was something that I could use to
> > > assist me in flying. My first thought was that something that was
> > > Indiglo with larger numbers so I could see it easily at night would be
> > > good as would one with two time zones so I can have one set to Zulu
> > > and one to local. A countdown timer and stopwatch might come in
> > > handy.
>
> > > I went looking on the 'Net and found watches with compasses and
> > > altimeters and even an E6-B but I question the value of those. If I
> > > am ever in a situation where my altimeter, gyro, wet compass and both
> > > GPS units , one a battery powered 96C, that show me heading and
> > > altitude in the plane have failed I should lose my license for not
> > > putting down long before I have to rely on a compass or altimeter in a
> > > wris****ch.
>
> > > For the people who have flown, have any of you found a watch with any
> > > special features that actually helped you in performing your piloting
> > > tasks?
>
> > > Thanks
>
> > You must be joking. We dont' buy pilot watches to tell time - like the
> > replica AVG bomber jackets, they're strictly a fashion accessory...
>
> Got it. Unfortunately, I can either pay to be a pilot or look like a
> pilot. I'm going to have to go with giving my money to the flying
> club so I can fly in a rectangle at $90/hr.
>
> > Nice guitar BTW. I have a Les Paul meself.- Hide quoted text -
>
> Thanks. Not many people even know what that is if I tell them, much
> less recognize it from my username. I can't do it justice yet but I
> do appreciate what I am playing on.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Allegedly, some guys chose to wore this type of watch to make
themselves more attractive to the opposite sex. I have worn a very
nice Seiko aviator watch for about the past 16 years, however I find
that I remain as repugnant as ever to members of the opposite sex. Of
course, as always, your mileage may vary.

Take care . . .

John

[Jay Honeck]

> For the people who have flown, have any of you found a watch with any
> special features that actually helped you in performing your piloting
> tasks?

I just went through this exercise (see "Best Pilot Watch for <$100")
and here's what I chose:

http://tinyurl.com/37qd8w

Here's my description from that earlier thread:

For those who may be in the market for a decent pilot watch, this
Timex Expedition is the best one I could find with all the features I
wanted, for a reasonable ($54) price.

It's got dual (actually triple) time with Zulu time accessible at the
push of a button, countdown and -up timers, several reminder alarms,
a
built-in digital compass (that actually seems to work), and it's all
easily readable with my old(er) eyes.

The buttons are big, and the menu system is more intuitive than my
previous watch, which was also a Timex Expedition (but a different
model/version). It's pure digital, rather than analog/digital like I
wanted, but I discovered that if I wanted Zulu time easily accessible
without screwing up the date, pure digital was the only option.

I looked at every pilot's watch out there, up to and including the
Citizen, Torgoen, and all the other "hot shot pilot" watches, and
IMHO
they all suck. What blew me away was how you could easily spend as
much as $5K on a watch that was absollutely not usable for telling
time! To me, that's just an IQ test waiting to be failed...

For $54, this relatively simple watch has every feature (well, except
for an altimeter) that a pilot could want, a comfortable band, and it
even looks decent. Best of all, I can buy roughly 100 of these
watches
for the cost of a single "real" pilot's watch!

So far, I'm liking it a lot.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
...
>> For the people who have flown, have any of you found a watch with any
>> special features that actually helped you in performing your piloting
>> tasks?
>
> I just went through this exercise (see "Best Pilot Watch for <$100")
> and here's what I chose:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/37qd8w
>
> Here's my description from that earlier thread:
>
> For those who may be in the market for a decent pilot watch, this
> Timex Expedition is the best one I could find with all the features I
> wanted, for a reasonable ($54) price.
>
> It's got dual (actually triple) time with Zulu time accessible at the
> push of a button, countdown and -up timers, several reminder alarms,
> a
> built-in digital compass (that actually seems to work), and it's all
> easily readable with my old(er) eyes.
>

Kind geting off topic - but does the count down timer have a count down /
repeat mode?

I hate spending that much on a watch (I've lost more than one overboard) but
this one sounds decent...

--
Geoff
The Sea Hawk at Wow Way d0t Com
remove spaces and make the obvious substitutions to reply by mail
When immigration is outlawed, only outlaws will immigrate.

[C J Campbell[_1_]]

On 2007-11-16 05:31:45 -0800, es330td > said:

>
> For the people who have flown, have any of you found a watch with any
> special features that actually helped you in performing your piloting
> tasks?
>
> Thanks

I like the Swiss Army Cavalry watch. It has a big sweep hand stopwatch.
The face is almost as large as the one on my Air Force issue pocket
watch was.

If you really want a watch to be useful to a pilot, it should have
luminous hands and numbers. The stopwatch can be useful, especially if
you are a CFI-I and don't want to mess up the way your student uses the
airplane clock or his timer.

In the 1970s Air Force I was issued two pocket watches: one with a
luminous 24 hour dial and a large stopwatch. I used them constantly as
a navigator. I still think that a large pocket watch can be a useful
tool for a pilot. Hang it on a chain or string around your neck for
easy access. Some used pocket watches are amazing bargains.

--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

[C J Campbell[_1_]]

On 2007-11-16 07:07:01 -0800, Kingfish > said:

>
> You must be joking. We dont' buy pilot watches to tell time - like the
> replica AVG bomber jackets, they're strictly a fashion accessory...
> (I'd mortgage my mother for a Breitling Navitimer though)

A real leather aviator's jacket made of goat leather is useful for the
same reasons that the originals were: tough as nails, lets you lie on
your back on the ramp without being discomfited by sharp stones or hot
pavement, does not absorb oil stains easily, it actually keeps you warm
without being too hot, and it is resistant to weather and wind. It
should not have a seam anywhere on the back, as this lets in both
moisture and cold air.

OTOH, I find that a Tilley works well as an aviator's hat. People make
fun of my 'fishing hat,' but I will never part with it.

--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

[[email protected]]

On Nov 16, 6:31 am, es330td > wrote:
> I am in the market for a new watch and thought that if I am going to
> be a pilot I would see if there was something that I could use to
> assist me in flying. My first thought was that something that was
> Indiglo with larger numbers so I could see it easily at night would be
> good as would one with two time zones so I can have one set to Zulu
> and one to local. A countdown timer and stopwatch might come in
> handy.
>
> I went looking on the 'Net and found watches with compasses and
> altimeters and even an E6-B but I question the value of those. If I
> am ever in a situation where my altimeter, gyro, wet compass and both
> GPS units , one a battery powered 96C, that show me heading and
> altitude in the plane have failed I should lose my license for not
> putting down long before I have to rely on a compass or altimeter in a
> wris****ch.
>
> For the people who have flown, have any of you found a watch with any
> special features that actually helped you in performing your piloting
> tasks?
>
> Thanks

Those fancy pilot watches are very helpful to the owners of
the factories that make them. They make lots of money off our desire
to look important. I have owned numerous types of watches over the
years, and found that very few of the features ever get used. A
lighted dial is nice, as is an alarm. I fix airplanes, too, and find
that my work destroys watches so I buy $40 units that serve perfectly
well enough in flight. Who needs a calculator watch when you have a
whizwheel as well? Or a stopwatch when there's one on the yoke? And
who needs a GPS watch? The guys who can't read a map, I suppose. The
watch won't work in the airplane anyway; too much metal in the way.
Petter Garrison once had an article if FLYING magazine about
just this sort of thing. He spoke of the guys around the airport who
sported flight suits and big watches and other pilot stuff, and said
that he noticed that these guys mostly couldn't fly worth poop. As he
sat there observing all this, a cropduster landed with a delicate
squeak, exactly on the TD zone, rolled right down the centerline and
taxied to its truck, turning precisely into position with inches to
spare. No wasted movement, nothing that could be considered remotely
dangerous or embarrassing. A real expert. The guy that got out? Wore a
tattered logger jacket and stained ball cap.
Which pilot do you want to be?

Dan

[JGalban via AviationKB.com]

es330td wrote:
>
>For the people who have flown, have any of you found a watch with any
>special features that actually helped you in performing your piloting
>tasks?
>

Maybe it's because my GPS is old, but the altitude displayed is often a few
hundred feet different than what is displayed on my altimeter. I've had a
Suunto altimeter watch for about 8 yrs. now. Its altimeter is more sensitive
that the one in my plane (much better than the Casio version).

I had one occasion to put the altimeter watch to use. I was flying
through a class B when the controller questioned my altitude. His radar was
displaying an altitude 300 ft. lower than I was seeing on my altimeter. So
who was right, the altimeter or the transponder's encoder? The tiebreaker
was the altimeter watch. It assured me that the panel altimeter was correct
and the blind encoder was off.

That said, the altimeter watch is not really very practical. When the
Suunto finally dies, I'll be replacing it with a watch that will show zulu
time. Preferably an analog/digital combo, so you can see both timezones
without having to push any buttons. A friend of mine has a Timex Ironman
Triathalon that looks like it would fit the bill.

John Galban=====>N4BQ (PA28-180)

--
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[Jim Logajan]

wrote:
> Petter Garrison once had an article if FLYING magazine about
> just this sort of thing. He spoke of the guys around the airport who
> sported flight suits and big watches and other pilot stuff, and said
> that he noticed that these guys mostly couldn't fly worth poop. As he
> sat there observing all this, a cropduster landed with a delicate
> squeak, exactly on the TD zone, rolled right down the centerline and
> taxied to its truck, turning precisely into position with inches to
> spare. No wasted movement, nothing that could be considered remotely
> dangerous or embarrassing. A real expert. The guy that got out? Wore a
> tattered logger jacket and stained ball cap.
> Which pilot do you want to be?

If I had only known the choices were so limited....

[Oz Lander[_2_]]

Jay Honeck wrote:

> For those who may be in the market for a decent pilot watch, this
> Timex Expedition is the best one I could find with all the features I
> wanted, for a reasonable ($54) price.

Looks like a decent watch, but the price has gone up. (US$70 now)

--
Oz Lander.
Straight and Level Down Under Forum.
http://www.straightandleveldownunder.net

[Blueskies]

"Oz Lander" > wrote in message ...
> Jay Honeck wrote:
>
>> For those who may be in the market for a decent pilot watch, this
>> Timex Expedition is the best one I could find with all the features I
>> wanted, for a reasonable ($54) price.
>
> Looks like a decent watch, but the price has gone up. (US$70 now)
>
> --
> Oz Lander.
> Straight and Level Down Under Forum.
> http://www.straightandleveldownunder.net


Someone must have heard a pilot wanted to buy one!

[Vaughn Simon]

"JGalban via AviationKB.com" <u32749@uwe> wrote in message
news:7b50b9de8f98d@uwe...

>>For the people who have flown, have any of you found a watch with any
>>special features that actually helped you in performing your piloting
>>tasks?
>
> I had one occasion to put the altimeter watch to use. I was flying
> through a class B when the controller questioned my altitude.

I will admit it. I have used my altimeter watch a few times when I had
"failed" the altimeter for a student. Other than that, I only use it to tell
time. I even find the timer function distracting while flying. If I need to
time a leg I just jot down the time and do the math.

I suppose a Zulu function would be useful.

Vaughn

[Dave[_5_]]

I have a Casio Analog/Digital watch that I received as a Christmas
present that serves my purposes. The Analog and Digital parts are
separate - you have to set each one when the time changes.
It has a large, luminous dial, dual time zones, alarm and stopwatch.
It also has a large rotatable bezel marked in minutes and degrees.
What function the bezel serves (other than the minute markings) I have
no idea.

Would I recommend this watch for a pilot? Yes and No. It does provide
dual time zones and has a large luninous dial. Lots of other watches
do the same. As for other functions - I don't need
any. I have an inexpensive digital timer stuck on my instrument panel
with velcro. Other than time-of-day, it provides all the aviation
related timing functions I need (count up/down and stopwatch).

Bottom line: I'd say that any watch with dual time zones and easy-to-
read display will serve the purpose. Those with all the bells and
whistles are more of a status symbol than a useful tool.
Just my .02.

David Johnson

[Tom L.]

On Sat, 17 Nov 2007 00:06:34 +0000 (UTC), "Oz Lander"
> wrote:

>Jay Honeck wrote:
>
>> For those who may be in the market for a decent pilot watch, this
>> Timex Expedition is the best one I could find with all the features I
>> wanted, for a reasonable ($54) price.
>
>Looks like a decent watch, but the price has gone up. (US$70 now)

Check here:

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000CBZ66K/?tag=streetprices104-20&creative=380337&creativeASIN=B000CBZ66K&linkCode=asn

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

"JGalban via AviationKB.com" <u32749@uwe> wrote in
news:7b50b9de8f98d@uwe:



>
> That said, the altimeter watch is not really very practical. When
> the


There's such a thing as an altimeter watch?

What next?

Seems to me if they were going to add pilot features to wathces, one that
made coffee would be the only really sensible add-on.


Bertie

[Denny]

Ah jeez, guys... I've only been flying almost as long as Dudley... Now
I feel embarrassed because my watch is a $9.95 digital off the close
out rack at the strip mall, with a black rubber strap...
It keeps time, I set it to WWV about every two-three weeks and it is
usually about 10 seconds off by then...
Now, this watch also has some features, like it has a smear of epoxy
on the band that I can't get off <built two boats for the
grandchildren last year, one is used on Lake Erie and the other is on
our pond - pictures available for the asking>
It has a countup - count down timer that I have yet to master so I
don't use it except for timing my paint so I know when to go back out
to the shop and put on another coat...
It has a wake up alarm that I can't figure how to turn off - but it's
not a problem because it goes off at exactly 3 AM and I need to take a
whiz by then anyway... <actually quite helpful though the dog gives me
'daggers' look because it wakes him up and his bladder holds more than
mine>
The bad part of this watch is that it is indestructable and doesn't
give me an excuse to order a new Piaget, or something that will
attract chicks...

denny

[[email protected]]

On 16 nov, 14:31, es330td > wrote:
> I am in the market for a new watch and thought that if I am going to
> be a pilot I would see if there was something that I could use to
> assist me in flying. My first thought was that something that was
> Indiglo with larger numbers so I could see it easily at night would be
> good as would one with two time zones so I can have one set to Zulu
> and one to local. A countdown timer and stopwatch might come in
> handy.
>
> I went looking on the 'Net and found watches with compasses and
> altimeters and even an E6-B but I question the value of those. If I
> am ever in a situation where my altimeter, gyro, wet compass and both
> GPS units , one a battery powered 96C, that show me heading and
> altitude in the plane have failed I should lose my license for not
> putting down long before I have to rely on a compass or altimeter in a
> wris****ch.
>
> For the people who have flown, have any of you found a watch with any
> special features that actually helped you in performing your piloting
> tasks?
>
> Thanks

Check this, about Omega X-33 : "A Pilot's Impressions of the Omega
X-33"

http://www.timezone.com/library/comarticles/comarticles631681530107424115

[[email protected]]

On 16 nov, 14:31, es330td > wrote:
> I am in the market for a new watch and thought that if I am going to
> be a pilot I would see if there was something that I could use to
> assist me in flying. My first thought was that something that was
> Indiglo with larger numbers so I could see it easily at night would be
> good as would one with two time zones so I can have one set to Zulu
> and one to local. A countdown timer and stopwatch might come in
> handy.
>
> I went looking on the 'Net and found watches with compasses and
> altimeters and even an E6-B but I question the value of those. If I
> am ever in a situation where my altimeter, gyro, wet compass and both
> GPS units , one a battery powered 96C, that show me heading and
> altitude in the plane have failed I should lose my license for not
> putting down long before I have to rely on a compass or altimeter in a
> wris****ch.
>
> For the people who have flown, have any of you found a watch with any
> special features that actually helped you in performing your piloting
> tasks?
>
> Thanks

Check this : "A Pilot's Impressions of the Omega X-33"
http://www.timezone.com/library/comarticles/comarticles631681530107424115

[B A R R Y]

On Sat, 17 Nov 2007 14:46:31 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip >
wrote:
>
>There's such a thing as an altimeter watch?

Useful for serious hikers. The altitude can help locate your
position on a topo map.

My little handheld Garmin 60cs GPS has a barometric altimeter and
magnetic compass to supplement the GPS position.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

B A R R Y > wrote in
:

> On Sat, 17 Nov 2007 14:46:31 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip >
> wrote:
>>
>>There's such a thing as an altimeter watch?
>
> Useful for serious hikers. The altitude can help locate your
> position on a topo map.
>
> My little handheld Garmin 60cs GPS has a barometric altimeter and
> magnetic compass to supplement the GPS position.
>

Hmmm, I've seen lightplane ones that have a GPS alt readoout. The other
would be handy for a loss of instrument situation, of course, but I never
use them in lightplane flying anyway.. Never even use a radio anymore if I
can get away with it!

Bertie

[B A R R Y]

On Sun, 18 Nov 2007 00:00:00 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip >
wrote:
>
>Hmmm, I've seen lightplane ones that have a GPS alt readoout. The other
>would be handy for a loss of instrument situation, of course, but I never
>use them in lightplane flying anyway..

I usually use the altimeter in the GPS in "barometer" mode, for
weather. It graphically plots the change in pressure for a constant
altitude over time.

The magnetic compass is useful when not moving, as GPS doesn't choose
direction well if there is no movement.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

B A R R Y > wrote in
:

> On Sun, 18 Nov 2007 00:00:00 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip >
> wrote:
>>
>>Hmmm, I've seen lightplane ones that have a GPS alt readoout. The
>>other would be handy for a loss of instrument situation, of course,
>>but I never use them in lightplane flying anyway..
>
> I usually use the altimeter in the GPS in "barometer" mode, for
> weather. It graphically plots the change in pressure for a constant
> altitude over time.


Cool, there's a ood use for that, navigation wise. If you have n oher way
of telling which direction you'r going due to drift ( and obviously you do
if oyu have a GPS, but that's besdies the point) you can figure your drift
by the rathe the pressure is changing.
>
> The magnetic compass is useful when not moving, as GPS doesn't choose
> direction well if there is no movement.

Well, that'd be down to installation. Still, these guys were so far behind
the curve if they had GPS and still managed to hit a mountain that these
features would probably only add to their disorientation. I've seen pilots
get sucked into feeding the boxes to the extent that their situational
awareness was degraded rather than enhanced by the presence of the thing.
Don't know, of course that that is why this accident happend, but when
these gadgets get to be costing you more than they're saving you , it;'s
probably time to turn them off and get the hell out of there.


Bertie

[B A R R Y]

On Sun, 18 Nov 2007 00:26:03 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip >
wrote:

>Don't know, of course that that is why this accident happend, but when
>these gadgets get to be costing you more than they're saving you , it;'s
>probably time to turn them off and get the hell out of there.

Right on...

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

B A R R Y > wrote in
:

> On Sun, 18 Nov 2007 00:26:03 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip >
> wrote:
>
>>Don't know, of course that that is why this accident happend, but when
>>these gadgets get to be costing you more than they're saving you , it;'s
>>probably time to turn them off and get the hell out of there.
>
> Right on...

And it's all getting worse!

I'm just getting invovled in instructing in lightplanes again. My mission?
To get the guys in my flying club and turn them into luddites. First thing
they're going to learn is to fly without anything but their oil pressure
and alitimeter..
Actually, I might cover the alt as well. .


Bertie

[WJRFlyBoy]

On Sun, 18 Nov 2007 00:32:04 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

> I'm just getting invovled in instructing in lightplanes again. My mission?
> To get the guys in my flying club and turn them into luddites. First thing
> they're going to learn is to fly without anything but their oil pressure
> and alitimeter..

Gosh, can't you give them an engine?
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[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

WJRFlyBoy > wrote in
:

> On Sun, 18 Nov 2007 00:32:04 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>
>> I'm just getting invovled in instructing in lightplanes again. My
>> mission? To get the guys in my flying club and turn them into
>> luddites. First thing they're going to learn is to fly without
>> anything but their oil pressure and alitimeter..
>
> Gosh, can't you give them an engine?

Ideally, we'd get a glider to start them off with, but this will do in
lieu.
I'm not kidding about this, BTW. They'e going to learn to fly this airplane
from minute one with no airspeed indicator.It has no gyros anyway. It has a
comm and an encoding xponder alright, which we kind of need (Citabria, BTW)
They can have the ASI back when they don't need it anymore and they can
start carrying a GPS when they don't need that either.


Bertie

[Rich Ahrens[_2_]]

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
> B A R R Y > wrote in
> :
>
>> On Sun, 18 Nov 2007 00:26:03 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Don't know, of course that that is why this accident happend, but when
>>> these gadgets get to be costing you more than they're saving you , it;'s
>>> probably time to turn them off and get the hell out of there.
>> Right on...
>
> And it's all getting worse!
>
> I'm just getting invovled in instructing in lightplanes again. My mission?
> To get the guys in my flying club and turn them into luddites. First thing
> they're going to learn is to fly without anything but their oil pressure
> and alitimeter..
> Actually, I might cover the alt as well. .

As I recall, they could use a tire gauge too...

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Rich Ahrens > wrote in
. net:

> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>> B A R R Y > wrote in
>> :
>>
>>> On Sun, 18 Nov 2007 00:26:03 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Don't know, of course that that is why this accident happend, but
>>>> when these gadgets get to be costing you more than they're saving
>>>> you , it;'s probably time to turn them off and get the hell out of
>>>> there.
>>> Right on...
>>
>> And it's all getting worse!
>>
>> I'm just getting invovled in instructing in lightplanes again. My
>> mission? To get the guys in my flying club and turn them into
>> luddites. First thing they're going to learn is to fly without
>> anything but their oil pressure and alitimeter..
>> Actually, I might cover the alt as well. .
>
> As I recall, they could use a tire gauge too...


He he. They should know just by looking.


Bertie

[Marty Shapiro]

Bertie the Bunyip > wrote in
:

> WJRFlyBoy > wrote in
> :
>
>> On Sun, 18 Nov 2007 00:32:04 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>>
>>> I'm just getting invovled in instructing in lightplanes again. My
>>> mission? To get the guys in my flying club and turn them into
>>> luddites. First thing they're going to learn is to fly without
>>> anything but their oil pressure and alitimeter..
>>
>> Gosh, can't you give them an engine?
>
> Ideally, we'd get a glider to start them off with, but this will do in
> lieu.
> I'm not kidding about this, BTW. They'e going to learn to fly this
> airplane from minute one with no airspeed indicator.It has no gyros
> anyway. It has a comm and an encoding xponder alright, which we kind
> of need (Citabria, BTW) They can have the ASI back when they don't
> need it anymore and they can start carrying a GPS when they don't need
> that either.
>
>
> Bertie
>
>

Where are you instructing? This would be a great course for any BFR
or Wings phase.

--
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Silicon Rallye Inc.

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[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Marty Shapiro > wrote in
:

> Bertie the Bunyip > wrote in
> :
>
>> WJRFlyBoy > wrote in
>> :
>>
>>> On Sun, 18 Nov 2007 00:32:04 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm just getting invovled in instructing in lightplanes again. My
>>>> mission? To get the guys in my flying club and turn them into
>>>> luddites. First thing they're going to learn is to fly without
>>>> anything but their oil pressure and alitimeter..
>>>
>>> Gosh, can't you give them an engine?
>>
>> Ideally, we'd get a glider to start them off with, but this will do
>> in lieu.
>> I'm not kidding about this, BTW. They'e going to learn to fly this
>> airplane from minute one with no airspeed indicator.It has no gyros
>> anyway. It has a comm and an encoding xponder alright, which we kind
>> of need (Citabria, BTW) They can have the ASI back when they don't
>> need it anymore and they can start carrying a GPS when they don't
>> need that either.
>>
>>
>> Bertie
>>
>>
>
> Where are you instructing? This would be a great course for
> any BFR
> or Wings phase.

Far far away in a distant universe!
That's kind of the idea, but it's only for guys in my club and there
aren't going to be too many of them willing to go old timey.
Good job too, because I'm away a lot with work and have only limited
time to see to them. One of them will eventualy be an instructor, I hope
and he can carry on with these rapidly vanishing techniques, I hope.
There are guys who do this around the place, though.
Where are you?


Bertie
>

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Marty Shapiro > wrote in
:

>>
>
> Where are you instructing? This would be a great course for
> any BFR
> or Wings phase.


I see you're in SoCal. There are loads of places there where you can get
this sort of instruction. I can't recommend any off the top of my head, but
I was out there on a course a few years ago and was drooling at the huge
number of cool airplanes within spitting distance of LA. You gotta get past
the piper pilot center sort of thing and get used to the idea that some
tobacco chawin guy with a beat up Airknocker and abysmal copmmunication
skills might be able to teach you more than an army of shiney new
instructors in shiney new airplanes. You're not going to learn all that
much in a five hour course, either. What you get is some new ideas which
you have to go out and apply doing as much flying as you can.

Having said that, our Citabria is immaculate and I gave up the tobacco
years ago.


Bertie

[Marty Shapiro]

Bertie the Bunyip > wrote in
:

> Marty Shapiro > wrote in
> :
>
>> Bertie the Bunyip > wrote in
>> :
>>
>>> WJRFlyBoy > wrote in
>>> :
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 18 Nov 2007 00:32:04 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm just getting invovled in instructing in lightplanes again. My
>>>>> mission? To get the guys in my flying club and turn them into
>>>>> luddites. First thing they're going to learn is to fly without
>>>>> anything but their oil pressure and alitimeter..
>>>>
>>>> Gosh, can't you give them an engine?
>>>
>>> Ideally, we'd get a glider to start them off with, but this will do
>>> in lieu.
>>> I'm not kidding about this, BTW. They'e going to learn to fly this
>>> airplane from minute one with no airspeed indicator.It has no gyros
>>> anyway. It has a comm and an encoding xponder alright, which we kind
>>> of need (Citabria, BTW) They can have the ASI back when they don't
>>> need it anymore and they can start carrying a GPS when they don't
>>> need that either.
>>>
>>>
>>> Bertie
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Where are you instructing? This would be a great course for
>> any BFR
>> or Wings phase.
>
> Far far away in a distant universe!
> That's kind of the idea, but it's only for guys in my club and there
> aren't going to be too many of them willing to go old timey.
> Good job too, because I'm away a lot with work and have only limited
> time to see to them. One of them will eventualy be an instructor, I hope
> and he can carry on with these rapidly vanishing techniques, I hope.
> There are guys who do this around the place, though.
> Where are you?
>
>
> Bertie
>>
>
>

Palo Alto. My airplane is based at RHV (more convenient for all the
partners). It's a Rallye 235E, all steam guage with a loran that went
tango uniform.

--
Marty Shapiro
Silicon Rallye Inc.

(remove SPAMNOT to email me)

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Marty Shapiro > wrote in
:

> Bertie the Bunyip > wrote in
> :
>
>> Marty Shapiro > wrote in
>> :
>>
>>> Bertie the Bunyip > wrote in
>>> :
>>>
>>>> WJRFlyBoy > wrote in
>>>> :
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 18 Nov 2007 00:32:04 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm just getting invovled in instructing in lightplanes again. My
>>>>>> mission? To get the guys in my flying club and turn them into
>>>>>> luddites. First thing they're going to learn is to fly without
>>>>>> anything but their oil pressure and alitimeter..
>>>>>
>>>>> Gosh, can't you give them an engine?
>>>>
>>>> Ideally, we'd get a glider to start them off with, but this will do
>>>> in lieu.
>>>> I'm not kidding about this, BTW. They'e going to learn to fly this
>>>> airplane from minute one with no airspeed indicator.It has no gyros
>>>> anyway. It has a comm and an encoding xponder alright, which we
>>>> kind of need (Citabria, BTW) They can have the ASI back when they
>>>> don't need it anymore and they can start carrying a GPS when they
>>>> don't need that either.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bertie
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Where are you instructing? This would be a great course
>>> for any BFR
>>> or Wings phase.
>>
>> Far far away in a distant universe!
>> That's kind of the idea, but it's only for guys in my club and there
>> aren't going to be too many of them willing to go old timey.
>> Good job too, because I'm away a lot with work and have only limited
>> time to see to them. One of them will eventualy be an instructor, I
>> hope and he can carry on with these rapidly vanishing techniques, I
>> hope. There are guys who do this around the place, though.
>> Where are you?
>>
>>
>> Bertie
>>>
>>
>>
>
> Palo Alto. My airplane is based at RHV (more convenient for
> all the
> partners). It's a Rallye 235E, all steam guage with a loran that went
> tango uniform.
>

OK. I've flown them a bit. Only the 100hp version, which don't climb so
good. Beleive it or not I was talking to the current holder of the
Franklin engine type certificates just last week!
Your's is probably a lycoming variant, though, eh? Slow as molasss, but
good fun!


Bertie

[Marty Shapiro]

Bertie the Bunyip > wrote in
:

> Marty Shapiro > wrote in
> :
>
>> Bertie the Bunyip > wrote in
>> :
>>
>>> Marty Shapiro > wrote in
>>> :
>>>
>>>> Bertie the Bunyip > wrote in
>>>> :
>>>>
>>>>> WJRFlyBoy > wrote in
>>>>> :
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, 18 Nov 2007 00:32:04 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm just getting invovled in instructing in lightplanes again. My
>>>>>>> mission? To get the guys in my flying club and turn them into
>>>>>>> luddites. First thing they're going to learn is to fly without
>>>>>>> anything but their oil pressure and alitimeter..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gosh, can't you give them an engine?
>>>>>
>>>>> Ideally, we'd get a glider to start them off with, but this will do
>>>>> in lieu.
>>>>> I'm not kidding about this, BTW. They'e going to learn to fly this
>>>>> airplane from minute one with no airspeed indicator.It has no gyros
>>>>> anyway. It has a comm and an encoding xponder alright, which we
>>>>> kind of need (Citabria, BTW) They can have the ASI back when they
>>>>> don't need it anymore and they can start carrying a GPS when they
>>>>> don't need that either.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Bertie
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Where are you instructing? This would be a great course
>>>> for any BFR
>>>> or Wings phase.
>>>
>>> Far far away in a distant universe!
>>> That's kind of the idea, but it's only for guys in my club and there
>>> aren't going to be too many of them willing to go old timey.
>>> Good job too, because I'm away a lot with work and have only limited
>>> time to see to them. One of them will eventualy be an instructor, I
>>> hope and he can carry on with these rapidly vanishing techniques, I
>>> hope. There are guys who do this around the place, though.
>>> Where are you?
>>>
>>>
>>> Bertie
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Palo Alto. My airplane is based at RHV (more convenient for
>> all the
>> partners). It's a Rallye 235E, all steam guage with a loran that went
>> tango uniform.
>>
>
> OK. I've flown them a bit. Only the 100hp version, which don't climb so
> good. Beleive it or not I was talking to the current holder of the
> Franklin engine type certificates just last week!
> Your's is probably a lycoming variant, though, eh? Slow as molasss, but
> good fun!
>
>
> Bertie
>
>

Yes, the 235 has the Lycoming 0-540 B4B5. Much better than the 100hp
with the RR engines. I also have 4 seats. Once you get to the Franklin
220 and the 235 (C is a tail dragger, E a trike) you also get the "heavy"
airframe with 2 hard points on each wing. Some neat pictures on the web of
these in South America used as light fighter/bombers. On the down side,
the heavy airframes only came with yokes.

With the 235 hp engine, speed is 132 knots flat out, about like the
Arrow, but at a cost of 3 gph. Much, much better climb and short field
performance. With just me and half tanks at about 60F and 10 kt headwind,
I can get airborne in 300' and stop in about 400' with light breaking. If
you really wanted to, you could get your night currency in one pass down a
12,000' runway with room to spare.

As you said, slow but loads of fun. Very stable, great visibility,
fantastic slow speed handling characteristics, nice precise handling, and
being able to fly with the canopy open. I had one passenger on an Angel
Flight who was nervous about flying in a small plane. But she so much
enjoyed the smoothness and the view, especially as we flew passed a snow
capped Mt. Shasta, that she told me how wonderful small airplane were
before we landed. Later, the relay pilot who took her to her final
destination told me that she wasn't nervous at all about being in a small
plane, but had remarked that the visibility from his Bonanza wasn't that
good!

--
Marty Shapiro
Silicon Rallye Inc.

(remove SPAMNOT to email me)

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Marty Shapiro > wrote in
:

> Bertie the Bunyip > wrote in
> :
>
>> Marty Shapiro > wrote in
>> :
>>
>>> Bertie the Bunyip > wrote in
>>> :
>>>
>>>> Marty Shapiro > wrote in
>>>> :
>>>>
>>>>> Bertie the Bunyip > wrote in
>>>>> :
>>>>>
>>>>>> WJRFlyBoy > wrote in
>>>>>> :
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, 18 Nov 2007 00:32:04 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm just getting invovled in instructing in lightplanes again.
>>>>>>>> My mission? To get the guys in my flying club and turn them
>>>>>>>> into luddites. First thing they're going to learn is to fly
>>>>>>>> without anything but their oil pressure and alitimeter..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gosh, can't you give them an engine?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ideally, we'd get a glider to start them off with, but this will
>>>>>> do in lieu.
>>>>>> I'm not kidding about this, BTW. They'e going to learn to fly
>>>>>> this airplane from minute one with no airspeed indicator.It has
>>>>>> no gyros anyway. It has a comm and an encoding xponder alright,
>>>>>> which we kind of need (Citabria, BTW) They can have the ASI back
>>>>>> when they don't need it anymore and they can start carrying a GPS
>>>>>> when they don't need that either.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bertie
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Where are you instructing? This would be a great course
>>>>> for any BFR
>>>>> or Wings phase.
>>>>
>>>> Far far away in a distant universe!
>>>> That's kind of the idea, but it's only for guys in my club and
>>>> there aren't going to be too many of them willing to go old timey.
>>>> Good job too, because I'm away a lot with work and have only
>>>> limited time to see to them. One of them will eventualy be an
>>>> instructor, I hope and he can carry on with these rapidly vanishing
>>>> techniques, I hope. There are guys who do this around the place,
>>>> though. Where are you?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bertie
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Palo Alto. My airplane is based at RHV (more convenient
>>> for all the
>>> partners). It's a Rallye 235E, all steam guage with a loran that
>>> went tango uniform.
>>>
>>
>> OK. I've flown them a bit. Only the 100hp version, which don't climb
>> so good. Beleive it or not I was talking to the current holder of the
>> Franklin engine type certificates just last week!
>> Your's is probably a lycoming variant, though, eh? Slow as molasss,
>> but good fun!
>>
>>
>> Bertie
>>
>>
>
> Yes, the 235 has the Lycoming 0-540 B4B5. Much better than
> the 100hp
> with the RR engines. I also have 4 seats. Once you get to the
> Franklin 220 and the 235 (C is a tail dragger, E a trike) you also get
> the "heavy" airframe with 2 hard points on each wing. Some neat
> pictures on the web of these in South America used as light
> fighter/bombers. On the down side, the heavy airframes only came with
> yokes.


Oh, I never knew they made a tailwheel version. That'd be good!

>
> With the 235 hp engine, speed is 132 knots flat out, about
> like the
> Arrow, but at a cost of 3 gph. Much, much better climb and short
> field performance. With just me and half tanks at about 60F and 10 kt
> headwind, I can get airborne in 300' and stop in about 400' with light
> breaking. If you really wanted to, you could get your night currency
> in one pass down a 12,000' runway with room to spare.
>

He heh..


> As you said, slow but loads of fun. Very stable, great
> visibility,
> fantastic slow speed handling characteristics, nice precise handling,
> and being able to fly with the canopy open. I had one passenger on an
> Angel Flight who was nervous about flying in a small plane. But she
> so much enjoyed the smoothness and the view, especially as we flew
> passed a snow capped Mt. Shasta, that she told me how wonderful small
> airplane were before we landed. Later, the relay pilot who took her
> to her final destination told me that she wasn't nervous at all about
> being in a small plane, but had remarked that the visibility from his
> Bonanza wasn't that good!
>
Horses for courses, really. If you're going somewhere, the Bonanza would
probably be a better choice, but those Rallyes are pretty unique. I flew
a 100ST a few times. Not a dazzling aerobatic mount, but it did them al
the same. You don't see many of those early ones around today. Most of
them self destructed with corrosion...

Bertie

[Jay Honeck]

> Kind geting off topic - but does the count down timer have a count down /
> repeat mode?

I don't understand the question. What do you mean by "repeat mode"?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck]

> Looks like a decent watch, but the price has gone up. (US$70 now)

I just bought mine a few days ago at a local mall "Watch Factory"
kiosk....
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck]

> That said, the altimeter watch is not really very practical. When the
> Suunto finally dies, I'll be replacing it with a watch that will show zulu
> time. Preferably an analog/digital combo, so you can see both timezones
> without having to push any buttons. A friend of mine has a Timex Ironman
> Triathalon that looks like it would fit the bill.

All of the Timex analog/digital combos make the date change based on
the digital, rather than analog, time. This means that your date will
be wrong unless you program the digital time to be local and use the
analog hands to show Zulu time.

Since this is precisely backwards of what I want (the digital window
is tiny on these watches), the dual display models were eliminated
from my seach, sadly.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Jay Honeck > wrote in
:

>> That said, the altimeter watch is not really very practical. When
>> the
>> Suunto finally dies, I'll be replacing it with a watch that will show
>> zulu time. Preferably an analog/digital combo, so you can see both
>> timezones without having to push any buttons. A friend of mine has a
>> Timex Ironman Triathalon that looks like it would fit the bill.
>
> All of the Timex analog/digital combos make the date change based on
> the digital, rather than analog, time. This means that your date will
> be wrong unless you program the digital time to be local and use the
> analog hands to show Zulu time.
>
> Since this is precisely backwards of what I want (the digital window
> is tiny on these watches), the dual display models were eliminated
> from my seach, sadly.

aww.

Bertie

[Marty Shapiro]

Bertie the Bunyip > wrote in
:

> Horses for courses, really. If you're going somewhere, the Bonanza would
> probably be a better choice, but those Rallyes are pretty unique. I flew
> a 100ST a few times. Not a dazzling aerobatic mount, but it did them al
> the same. You don't see many of those early ones around today. Most of
> them self destructed with corrosion...
>
> Bertie

Unfortunately. There are only 21 of the 235E models left in the U.S.
Luckily ours has been a California plane almost all its life and we spray a
very generous amount of Corrosion-X inside it at every annual.

I've never seen the 100ST. I have seen the 150 and the Koliber copy,
along with the 180 and 220. IIRC, they also had some other models between
100 and 150 hp. You really need the 180 hp at a minimum. Once you get into
the 220's and 235's, you get a noticeable performance improvement. Even
the "heavy" airframe 235E is light. Our empty weight is 1,535 lbs, with a
max take off weight of 2,645 lbs (and a landing weight of 2,513 lbs).

One other feature is that the 235's (don't know about the 220's) have
a glider tow kit option.

--
Marty Shapiro
Silicon Rallye Inc.

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[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Marty Shapiro > wrote in
:


>
> I've never seen the 100ST. I have seen the 150 and the
> Koliber copy,
> along with the 180 and 220. IIRC, they also had some other models
> between 100 and 150 hp. You really need the 180 hp at a minimum. Once
> you get into the 220's and 235's, you get a noticeable performance
> improvement. Even the "heavy" airframe 235E is light. Our empty
> weight is 1,535 lbs, with a max take off weight of 2,645 lbs (and a
> landing weight of 2,513 lbs).
>
> One other feature is that the 235's (don't know about the
> 220's) have
> a glider tow kit option.

The 100 hp ones went OK, the gradient was good but the rate wasn't so good.
The field where I checked out in them used 200' agl as the pattern altitude
so theh students could get more landings in!

Bertie
>

[Morgans[_2_]]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
...
>> Kind geting off topic - but does the count down timer have a count down /
>> repeat mode?
>
> I don't understand the question. What do you mean by "repeat mode"?

That is when you set it to alarm at 45 minutes, or whatever you set, and
when you cancel it, the time is available to count down again when you start
it again.
--
Jim in NC

[Matthew Speed]

On Sun, 18 Nov 2007 05:49:52 -0800 (PST), Jay Honeck
> wrote:

>> Kind geting off topic - but does the count down timer have a count down /
>> repeat mode?
>
>I don't understand the question. What do you mean by "repeat mode"?

I used to have a Timex Datalink. When its countdown timer finished,
after I turned off the alarm I could press start and it would put the
previous amount of time into the watch. I could see this being very
valuable for making standard rate turns as I could have :30 in there
by default. 1 countdown unit per 90°.

[Denny]

>
> Check this : "A Pilot's Impressions of the Omega X-33"http://www.timezone.com/library/comarticles/comarticles63168153010742...- Hide quoted text -
>
That boy must have been paid by the word for that article...
sheeeshh...

[B A R R Y]

On Sun, 18 Nov 2007 19:54:11 -0500, "Morgans"
> wrote:

>
>"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
...
>>> Kind geting off topic - but does the count down timer have a count down /
>>> repeat mode?
>>
>> I don't understand the question. What do you mean by "repeat mode"?
>
>That is when you set it to alarm at 45 minutes, or whatever you set, and
>when you cancel it, the time is available to count down again when you start
>it again.

My $14 digital Expedition does it.

My $40 Sporty's "Flight Timer" doesn't. 8^(

[Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe]

"B A R R Y" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 18 Nov 2007 19:54:11 -0500, "Morgans"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
...
>>>> Kind geting off topic - but does the count down timer have a count down
>>>> /
>>>> repeat mode?
>>>
>>> I don't understand the question. What do you mean by "repeat mode"?
>>
>>That is when you set it to alarm at 45 minutes, or whatever you set, and
>>when you cancel it, the time is available to count down again when you
>>start
>>it again.
>
> My $14 digital Expedition does it.
>
> My $40 Sporty's "Flight Timer" doesn't. 8^(

Actually, the countdown / repeat mode that I use (Timex Ironman)
automatically re-starts every time it gets to zero - If I set it for 5
minutes, it counts down, starts beeping, and restarts - so every 5 minutes I
get another alarm...

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