Re: The Vets Know Something is Wrong

[BE-VA]

On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 13:56:48 -0800 (PST), YTR
> wrote:

>More American US veterans are dying by their own hand back home in one
>year, than have died in battle in the Iraq and Afghanistan wars.


That's a lie.

[BE-VA]

On Sat, 17 Nov 2007 14:48:30 -0800 (PST), "Mr.Smartypants"
> wrote:

>On Nov 17, 2:05 pm, BE-VA > wrote:
>> On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 13:56:48 -0800 (PST), YTR
>>
>> > wrote:
>> >More American US veterans are dying by their own hand back home in one
>> >year, than have died in battle in the Iraq and Afghanistan wars.
>>
>> That's a lie.
>
>
>
>The naked aggression against Vietnam cost 57,000 Oilnazi lives.
>
>Since then 60,000 Oilnazis took their own lives.
>
>The same thing is happening now.
>
>Can you blame them? They killed women and kids and can't live with it.


That's a lie too.

Is there not enough truth in the world for you atheists? Must you
always resort to lies to attempt to spread your dooms day propaganda?

[BE-VA]

On Sat, 17 Nov 2007 19:47:37 -0600, "Paul" >
wrote:

>
>"BE-VA" > wrote in message
...
>> On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 13:56:48 -0800 (PST), YTR
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>More American US veterans are dying by their own hand back home in one
>>>year, than have died in battle in the Iraq and Afghanistan wars.
>>
>>
>> That's a lie.
>
>
>No actually its true.... but ONLY if you include the suicides of ALL
>veterans in any given year... NOT just the ones that have served in Iraq /
>Afghanistan.
>But CBS spins the issue to make it "Look like" returning Vets are killing
>themselves at a high rate.
>
>Veterans as a group have a SLIGHTLY higher rate if suicide than the general
>public, if you check more than one years figures....
>
> In 2005, for example, in just those 45 states, there were at least 6,256
>suicides among those who served in the armed forces. That's 120 each and
>every week, in just one year. Dr. Steve Rathbun is the acting head of the
>Epidemiology and Biostatistics Department at the University of Georgia. CBS
>News asked him to run a detailed analysis of the raw numbers that we
>obtained from state authorities for 2004 and 2005. It found that veterans
>were more than twice as likely to commit suicide in 2005 than non-vets.
>(Veterans committed suicide at the rate of between 18.7 to 20.8 per 100,000,
>compared to other Americans, who did so at the rate of 8.9 per 100,000.)


One could apply the same formula to suicides among homosexuals,
dentist or law enforcement officers and see a rate that far exceeds
that of veterans. Numbers lie. Some people use numbers to lie.

[Hertz Donut]

"Mr.Smartypants" > wrote in message
...
> On Nov 17, 2:05 pm, BE-VA > wrote:
>> On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 13:56:48 -0800 (PST), YTR
>>
>> > wrote:
>> >More American US veterans are dying by their own hand back home in one
>> >year, than have died in battle in the Iraq and Afghanistan wars.
>>
>> That's a lie.
>
>
>
> The naked aggression against Vietnam cost 57,000 Oilnazi lives.
>
> Since then 60,000 Oilnazis took their own lives.
>
> The same thing is happening now.
>
> Can you blame them? They killed women and kids and can't live with it.
>

You are a pathetic, ignorant ****.

How do you know "what they did"?

Do you know that the vast majority of coalition troops have never killed
anyone, much less a woman or a child?

Do you understand that in a war, collateral damage is a fact of life?

Do you know how many women and children were killed in WWII?

Have you ever in your life been able to have a rational thought>

Honu

[Hertz Donut]

"Mr.Smartypants" > wrote in message
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> On Nov 17, 11:15 pm, "Hertz Donut" > wrote:
>> "Mr.Smartypants" > wrote in message
>>
>> ...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Nov 17, 2:05 pm, BE-VA > wrote:
>> >> On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 13:56:48 -0800 (PST), YTR
>>
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >More American US veterans are dying by their own hand back home in
>> >> >one
>> >> >year, than have died in battle in the Iraq and Afghanistan wars.
>>
>> >> That's a lie.
>>
>> > The naked aggression against Vietnam cost 57,000 Oilnazi lives.
>>
>> > Since then 60,000 Oilnazis took their own lives.
>>
>> > The same thing is happening now.
>>
>> > Can you blame them? They killed women and kids and can't live with it.
>>
>> You are a pathetic, ignorant ****.
>>
>> How do you know "what they did"?
>>
>> Do you know that the vast majority of coalition troops have never killed
>> anyone, much less a woman or a child?
>>
>> Do you understand that in a war, collateral damage is a fact of life?
>>
>> Do you know how many women and children were killed in WWII?
>>
>> Have you ever in your life been able to have a rational thought>
>>
>> Honu-
>
>
>
>
> Join up HERO.
>
> Go fight in Iraq.
>

Spent 23 years in the Army. 1 year in Iraq. Wounded twice.
What have you doen, ignorant coward?

Honu

[BE-VA]

On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 13:57:18 -0800 (PST), "Mr. Smartypants"
> wrote:

>On Nov 19, 3:18 am, "Hertz Donut" > wrote:
>> "Mr.Smartypants" > wrote in message
>>
>> ...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Nov 17, 11:15 pm, "Hertz Donut" > wrote:
>> >> "Mr.Smartypants" > wrote in message
>>
>> ...
>>
>> >> > On Nov 17, 2:05 pm, BE-VA > wrote:
>> >> >> On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 13:56:48 -0800 (PST), YTR
>>
>> >> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> >More American US veterans are dying by their own hand back home in
>> >> >> >one
>> >> >> >year, than have died in battle in the Iraq and Afghanistan wars.
>>
>> >> >> That's a lie.
>>
>> >> > The naked aggression against Vietnam cost 57,000 Oilnazi lives.
>>
>> >> > Since then 60,000 Oilnazis took their own lives.
>>
>> >> > The same thing is happening now.
>>
>> >> > Can you blame them? They killed women and kids and can't live with it.
>>
>> >> You are a pathetic, ignorant ****.
>>
>> >> How do you know "what they did"?
>>
>> >> Do you know that the vast majority of coalition troops have never killed
>> >> anyone, much less a woman or a child?
>>
>> >> Do you understand that in a war, collateral damage is a fact of life?
>>
>> >> Do you know how many women and children were killed in WWII?
>>
>> >> Have you ever in your life been able to have a rational thought>
>>
>> >> Honu-
>>
>> > Join up HERO.
>>
>> > Go fight in Iraq.
>>
>> Spent 23 years in the Army. 1 year in Iraq. Wounded twice.
>> What have you doen, ignorant coward?

>Refused to attack non-belligerent nations thus making myself NOT a war
>criminal.


"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and
degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that
nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for
which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his
own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of
being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than
himself." -John Stuart Mill

Since we already know what you are no response is required.

[a425couple]

"Paul" > wrote
> "BE-VA" > wrote
> > On Fri, > > > wrote:
> >>More American US veterans are dying by their own hand back home in one
> >>year, than have died in battle in the Iraq and Afghanistan wars.
> > That's a lie.
>
> No actually its true.... but ONLY if you include the suicides of ALL
> veterans in any given year... NOT just the ones that have served in Iraq
/
> Afghanistan.
> But CBS spins the issue to make it "Look like" returning Vets are
killing
> themselves at a high rate.
>
> Veterans as a group have a SLIGHTLY higher rate if suicide than the
general
> public, if you check more than one years figures....
>
> In 2005, for example, in just those 45 states, there were at least 6,256
> suicides among those who served in the armed forces. That's 120 each and
> every week, in just one year. Dr. Steve Rathbun is the acting head of the
> Epidemiology and Biostatistics Department at the University of Georgia.
CBS
> News asked him to run a detailed analysis of the raw numbers that we
> obtained from state authorities for 2004 and 2005. It found that veterans
> were more than twice as likely to commit suicide in 2005 than non-vets.
> (Veterans committed suicide at the rate of between 18.7 to 20.8 per
100,000,
> compared to other Americans, who did so at the rate of 8.9 per 100,000.)

Thanks Paul for some real numbers.
Here are some I find relevant (slightly different - also
I cut and paste for straight time-line):
The suicide rate for the Army has fluctuated over the past 25 years,

from a high of 15.8 per 100,000 in 1985 - - -

The Army recorded 90 suicides in 1993, with a suicide rate of 14.2 per
100,000.

The Army rate is higher than the civilian suicide rate for 2003, which was
10.8 per 100,000, -- But the Army number tracked closely with the rate for
civilians aged 18-34, which was 12.19 per 100,000 in 2003.

to a low of 9.1 per 100,000 in 2001. Last year it was nearly 13 per 100,000.

Males are 4 times as likely, so there also is a natural 'tilt' towards
veterans.