Adding on airplane

[Helen]

Nice piece on WBAL:

http://www.wbaltv.com/video/14641367/index.html

Adding on sport airplane privileges is a snap for rated glider pilots.
No formal FAA written or FAA checkride required.

[Andy[_1_]]

On Nov 19, 3:04 pm, Helen > wrote:
> Nice piece on WBAL:
>
> http://www.wbaltv.com/video/14641367/index.html
>
> Adding on sport airplane privileges is a snap for rated glider pilots.
> No formal FAA written or FAA checkride required.

Yes that's a good presention. thanks for sharing it. I have not
closely followed the regs for sport pilots as I already have most of
the aiplane ratings I want. Can you please tell me what reg allows
private rated glider pilots get a sport airplane rating without a
check ride?

Andy

[[email protected]]

On Nov 20, 6:53 am, Andy > wrote:
> On Nov 19, 3:04 pm, Helen > wrote:
>
> >
Andy,
Helen's comments need a little clarification. With only a glider
rating one would be able to fly a LSA AIRPLANE (note not aircraft) as
if one had a student certificate. There would still be the need for
instruction/solo and check ride. I am not sure - this comes from my
expert source an instructor - if there is a written. If one has any
rating in AIRPLANES then one does not need a checkride just instructor
sign off to fly the ship or what ever the insurance requires. One
does not need a FAA physical as long as they have a current state
issued drivers license. Now here is the kicker. If you have had your
FAA physical denied or revoked for any reason you can not fly LSA
class but if you have let it laps without the revocation or denial and
can certify lyour health ike you do for a glider then have fun. The
LSA limitations are - briefly- max weight 1320 lbs, daylight only, max
two passenger, max speed 120 kts., max altitude 10,000' (yes there is
a LSA glider rating but the 10,000' limitation is still there.)
Tom
Idaho




Nice piece on WBAL:
>
> >http://www.wbaltv.com/video/14641367/index.html
>
> > Adding on sport airplane privileges is a snap for rated glider pilots.
> > No formal FAA written or FAA checkride required.
>
> Yes that's a good presention. thanks for sharing it. I have not
> closely followed the regs for sport pilots as I already have most of
> the aiplane ratings I want. Can you please tell me what reg allows
> private rated glider pilots get a sport airplane rating without a
> check ride?
>
> Andy

[Brian[_1_]]

Sorry Tom, Your "expert" instructor has been wrong before. After you
asked I did a bit more research and found the following on the AOPA
Sport Pilot FAQ.

Do I need to perform a check ride to get an additional category and/or
class rating?
************************************************** *************************************************
No, a check ride is not required. Rather, you will need to follow the
provisions of 14 CFR 61.321, which requires the following:

Receive a logbook endorsement for meeting aeronautical knowledge and
flight proficiency requirements.
Complete a proficiency check from an authorized instructor other than
the instructor who trained you on the aeronautical knowledge and areas
of operation specified.
Complete an FAA Form 8710-11, Airmen Certificate and/or Rating
Application, and present it to the instructor who conducted the
proficiency check.
Receive a logbook endorsement from the instructor who conducted the
proficiency check certifying that you are proficient in the applicable
knowledge and areas of operation and that you are authorized for the
additional category and class of light sport aircraft.
************************************************** ************************************************
This is also referenced in the Sport Pilot PTS.

Since a Glider Pilot already qualifies for Sport Pilot Privileges, It
appears to be true that you there is no written or Check ride required
to be done by the FAA or a Designee. Instead you take a "proficiency
check" administered by a flight instructor.


Brian
CFIIG/ASEL

[5Z]

On Nov 20, 8:07 am, " > wrote:
> issued drivers license. Now here is the kicker. If you have had your
> FAA physical denied or revoked for any reason you can not fly LSA
> class but if you have let it laps without the revocation or denial and
> can certify lyour health ike you do for a glider then have fun. The
> LSA limitations are - briefly- max weight 1320 lbs, daylight only, max
> two passenger, max speed 120 kts., max altitude 10,000' (yes there is
> a LSA glider rating but the 10,000' limitation is still there.)

So if you don't think you can get a medical, but have a driver's
license, and feel fit to fly, and want to fly an "airplane", then the
touring motorglider is still the better deal. Something like a
Diamond Katana Extreme or Stemme S6 will let you fly higher, at night,
and possibly faster than you could in a light sport airplane.

Ain't regulations fun?! :-)

[Marc Ramsey]

wrote:
> The
> LSA limitations are - briefly- max weight 1320 lbs, daylight only, max
> two passenger, max speed 120 kts., max altitude 10,000' (yes there is
> a LSA glider rating but the 10,000' limitation is still there.)

Is the 10,000 ft MSL limitation on LSA certified aircraft, the pilot
operating under LSA privileges, or both? Can I fly an LSA certified
glider over 10,000 ft if, I'm operating on my private glider pilot
privileges? Can I fly an LSA compliant aircraft with a standard type
certificate (say Piper Cub) over 10,000 ft MSL, if I'm operating on LSA
privileges?

Marc

[Wayne Paul]

"Marc Ramsey" > wrote in message
...
> wrote:
>> The
>> LSA limitations are - briefly- max weight 1320 lbs, daylight only, max
>> two passenger, max speed 120 kts., max altitude 10,000' (yes there is
>> a LSA glider rating but the 10,000' limitation is still there.)
>
> Is the 10,000 ft MSL limitation on LSA certified aircraft, the pilot
> operating under LSA privileges, or both? Can I fly an LSA certified
> glider over 10,000 ft if, I'm operating on my private glider pilot
> privileges? Can I fly an LSA compliant aircraft with a standard type
> certificate (say Piper Cub) over 10,000 ft MSL, if I'm operating on LSA
> privileges?

It is my understanding that the 10,000 ft limitation is on the pilot, not
the aircraft. There are many old production aircraft that meet the LSA
criteria. (J-3 Cub, Taylor Craft, Champ, etc.)

Wayne
http://www.soaridaho.com/

[Mike Schumann]

In addition to being able to fly above 10,000 ft, motor gliders can also fly
internationally, which I believe is not currently possible with LSA
aircraft. In south Florida, if you are interested in flying to the Bahamas
(and possibly Cuba after Castro is gone), you are much better off with a
motor glider than an LSA aircraft. One HUGE advantage of the higher maximum
legal altitude, coupled with the better glide ration of a motor glider, is
that you can always be within final glide of land when flying from FL to the
Bahamas, whereas with an LSA aircraft, if you have an engine failure at an
inopportune moment, you are going to have to ditch.

Mike Schumann

"5Z" > wrote in message
...
> On Nov 20, 8:07 am, " > wrote:
>> issued drivers license. Now here is the kicker. If you have had your
>> FAA physical denied or revoked for any reason you can not fly LSA
>> class but if you have let it laps without the revocation or denial and
>> can certify lyour health ike you do for a glider then have fun. The
>> LSA limitations are - briefly- max weight 1320 lbs, daylight only, max
>> two passenger, max speed 120 kts., max altitude 10,000' (yes there is
>> a LSA glider rating but the 10,000' limitation is still there.)
>
> So if you don't think you can get a medical, but have a driver's
> license, and feel fit to fly, and want to fly an "airplane", then the
> touring motorglider is still the better deal. Something like a
> Diamond Katana Extreme or Stemme S6 will let you fly higher, at night,
> and possibly faster than you could in a light sport airplane.
>
> Ain't regulations fun?! :-)



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[Mike Schumann]

What about a full private pilot with a current medical, flying a pure LSA
aircraft that was not certified under the regular FAA aircraft rules (Flight
Design CT, Sparrowhawk, or similar)?

Mike Schumann

"Wayne Paul" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Marc Ramsey" > wrote in message
> ...
>> wrote:
>>> The
>>> LSA limitations are - briefly- max weight 1320 lbs, daylight only, max
>>> two passenger, max speed 120 kts., max altitude 10,000' (yes there is
>>> a LSA glider rating but the 10,000' limitation is still there.)
>>
>> Is the 10,000 ft MSL limitation on LSA certified aircraft, the pilot
>> operating under LSA privileges, or both? Can I fly an LSA certified
>> glider over 10,000 ft if, I'm operating on my private glider pilot
>> privileges? Can I fly an LSA compliant aircraft with a standard type
>> certificate (say Piper Cub) over 10,000 ft MSL, if I'm operating on LSA
>> privileges?
>
> It is my understanding that the 10,000 ft limitation is on the pilot, not
> the aircraft. There are many old production aircraft that meet the LSA
> criteria. (J-3 Cub, Taylor Craft, Champ, etc.)
>
> Wayne
> http://www.soaridaho.com/
>



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[Tony Verhulst]

Mike Schumann wrote:
> In addition to being able to fly above 10,000 ft, motor gliders can also fly
> internationally, which I believe is not currently possible with LSA
> aircraft.

I believe that it's the license and not the aircraft. The Sport Pilot
license is not recognized internationally and will likely be unusable
outside the U.S. Similarly, we have a club member who has the Dutch
equivalent of a recreational pilot license. The FAA would not recognize
that either and the member would up getting a U.S. private Pilot license.

As for the 10,000 ft thing - that's because Sport Pilots are not tested
for high altitude operations. I have a page on my club web site (and so
excuse the local references, please) that may be of interest -
http://home.comcast.net/~verhulst/GBSC/student/sportpilot.htm

Tony

[BT]

it's the pilot qualification.. and what level he is flying at.. not the
aircraft..

BT

"Mike Schumann" > wrote in message
.. .
> What about a full private pilot with a current medical, flying a pure LSA
> aircraft that was not certified under the regular FAA aircraft rules
> (Flight Design CT, Sparrowhawk, or similar)?
>
> Mike Schumann
>
> "Wayne Paul" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Marc Ramsey" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> wrote:
>>>> The
>>>> LSA limitations are - briefly- max weight 1320 lbs, daylight only, max
>>>> two passenger, max speed 120 kts., max altitude 10,000' (yes there is
>>>> a LSA glider rating but the 10,000' limitation is still there.)
>>>
>>> Is the 10,000 ft MSL limitation on LSA certified aircraft, the pilot
>>> operating under LSA privileges, or both? Can I fly an LSA certified
>>> glider over 10,000 ft if, I'm operating on my private glider pilot
>>> privileges? Can I fly an LSA compliant aircraft with a standard type
>>> certificate (say Piper Cub) over 10,000 ft MSL, if I'm operating on LSA
>>> privileges?
>>
>> It is my understanding that the 10,000 ft limitation is on the pilot, not
>> the aircraft. There are many old production aircraft that meet the LSA
>> criteria. (J-3 Cub, Taylor Craft, Champ, etc.)
>>
>> Wayne
>> http://www.soaridaho.com/
>>
>
>
>
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[Andy[_1_]]

On Nov 20, 10:00 am, Brian > wrote:

> Do I need to perform a check ride to get an additional category and/or
> class rating?
> ************************************************** *************************-************************
> No, a check ride is not required. Rather, you will need to follow the
> provisions of 14 CFR 61.321, which requires the following:


The private rated glider pilot does not hold a sport pilot certificate
with any category or class so there is no existing (sport pilot)
rating for the airplane category to be added to.

I remain unconvinced that a private rated glider pilot can add sport
airplane privileges without a flight test. Anyone that thinks
otherwise please provide a reference to the appropriate regulation
rather than an interpretation of someone else's comment.

61.307 defines the requirement and references some exceptions to the
requirements. I see nothing that allows a private rated glider pilot
to be exempted.

Andy

[Andy[_1_]]

On Nov 21, 5:59 am, Andy > wrote:

> 61.307 defines the requirement and references some exceptions to the
> requirements. I see nothing that allows a private rated glider pilot
> to be exempted.


I may have found my own answer. The sport pilot PTS provides this
satement:


Sport Pilot--Additional Privileges
If you hold a Sport Pilot Certificate or higher and seek to operate an
additional category or class of light-sport aircraft (14 CFR part 61,
section 61.321), you must:
1. receive a logbook endorsement .......
2. successfully complete a proficiency check from an authorized
instructor ......
3. complete an application for those privileges .......
4. receive a logbook endorsement from the instructor .......

So the key piece of information may be that a private glider rating is
assumed to be a higher rating than sport pilot with airplane category.

Anyone done this or know someone that has? How is the certificate
worded?

Andy

[Brian[_1_]]

On Nov 21, 6:18 am, Andy > wrote:
> On Nov 21, 5:59 am, Andy > wrote:
>
> > 61.307 defines the requirement and references some exceptions to the
> > requirements. I see nothing that allows a private rated glider pilot
> > to be exempted.

You are correct Andy,

If you have a Private Glider Rating then you also have all the
privledges of a Sport Pilot Glider Rating.

With the exception of adding additional Categories and Classes two
it,this is kind of a mute point since there is no medical required for
any glider. This is unlike the Sport Pilot Airplane rating where a
Private Airplane Pilot can fly a Light Sport Airplane without a
medical.

Brian
CFIIG/ASEL

[Tony Verhulst]

>
> If you have a Private Glider Rating then you also have all the
> privledges of a Sport Pilot Glider Rating.


Sport Pilot rating, with a glider endorsement?

Tony

[Vaughn Simon]

> wrote in message
...
> On Nov 20, 6:53 am, Andy > wrote:
>> On Nov 19, 3:04 pm, Helen > wrote:
>>
>> >
> Andy,
> Helen's comments need a little clarification. With only a glider
> rating one would be able to fly a LSA AIRPLANE (note not aircraft) as
> if one had a student certificate.

It really depends on what you want to accomplish. If you don't want to be
restricted to LSAs, don't need to carry passengers, and are willing to get a
medical. Just take your Private (or higher) glider certificate to any flight
school, take instruction, and get signed off to solo an airplane. At that point
you are not a Student pilot, yet you are legal to fly airplanes solo forever as
long as you keep a medical and otherwise stay current. (That said, many
instructors will not give you an unrestricted signoff.)

Of course, from there it is a small deal to continue on and take your written
& checkride and have it done with.

Vaughn

[Scott[_1_]]

Would you need to have 90 day endorsements to fly solo like a student
(power) pilot?


Vaughn Simon wrote:

Just take your Private (or higher) glider certificate to any flight
> school, take instruction, and get signed off to solo an airplane. At that point
> you are not a Student pilot, yet you are legal to fly airplanes solo forever as
> long as you keep a medical and otherwise stay current. (That said, many
> instructors will not give you an unrestricted signoff.)
>
> Of course, from there it is a small deal to continue on and take your written
> & checkride and have it done with.
>
> Vaughn
>
>

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[Wayne Paul]

"Scott" > wrote in message
.. .
> Would you need to have 90 day endorsements to fly solo like a student
> (power) pilot?

The simple answer is "no." If a Private (or above) power pilot adds a
glider rating, the same concept applies. I was signed of to solo after
training in a Blanik L-13, then got a cockpit check log book endorsement to
fly my Ka-6E. Flew it for two years and purchased a HP-16T flew it for a
year and a half prior to taking my FAA glider flight check. The flight
check completed my glider Private Pilot (Glider) requirements and also
fulfilled my Private Pilot (Airplane) biannual check requirement.

The point is, you are not a student, you are a Private pilot receiving a new
type certification.

So once a Private Pilot why bother to get a glider, or airplane, rating?
Insurance cost. Once rated as a glider pilot I saw a significat insurance
price reduction.

Wayne
HP-14 "6F"
http://www.soaridaho.com/Schreder



>
>
> Vaughn Simon wrote:
>
> Just take your Private (or higher) glider certificate to any flight
>> school, take instruction, and get signed off to solo an airplane. At
>> that point you are not a Student pilot, yet you are legal to fly
>> airplanes solo forever as long as you keep a medical and otherwise stay
>> current. (That said, many instructors will not give you an unrestricted
>> signoff.)
>>
>> Of course, from there it is a small deal to continue on and take your
>> written & checkride and have it done with.
>>
>> Vaughn
>
> --
> Scott
> http://corbenflyer.tripod.com/
> Gotta Fly or Gonna Die
> Building RV-4 (Super Slow Build Version)