A new pilot in the family

[Jay Honeck]

Woo hoo! Our 17-year-old son, Joe, passed his Private checkride
today, on a picture-perfect fall afternoon!

He flew the rental Cezzna 150 down to Burlington, IA to meet up with
his Designated Examiner, an old P-38 Lightning pilot named Tommy
Tomkins. He's the same guy that gave Mary her checkride nine years
ago -- and she said he was old THEN! He's well North of 80, but still
pretty spritely, according to Joe.

The ride took 1.4 hours, and contained no surprises. Joe was well
prepared, with a bit over 45 hours of "real" flight training time --
and about a thousand hours of "prep" time with us! I'm hoping to be
his first passenger tomorrow. Then we'll have to see about getting him
checked out in Atlas...

One down, one to go. Our 14 year old daughter has a couple of years
to go before she can get started....

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

Jay Honeck wrote:
> Woo hoo! Our 17-year-old son, Joe, passed his Private checkride
> today, on a picture-perfect fall afternoon!
>
> He flew the rental Cezzna 150 down to Burlington, IA to meet up with
> his Designated Examiner, an old P-38 Lightning pilot named Tommy
> Tomkins. He's the same guy that gave Mary her checkride nine years
> ago -- and she said he was old THEN! He's well North of 80, but still
> pretty spritely, according to Joe.
>
> The ride took 1.4 hours, and contained no surprises. Joe was well
> prepared, with a bit over 45 hours of "real" flight training time --
> and about a thousand hours of "prep" time with us! I'm hoping to be
> his first passenger tomorrow. Then we'll have to see about getting him
> checked out in Atlas...
>
> One down, one to go. Our 14 year old daughter has a couple of years
> to go before she can get started....
>
> :-)
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"

Congratulations to Joe, you, and Mary for a job well done.


--
Dudley Henriques

[B A R R Y]

On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 16:46:18 -0800 (PST), Jay Honeck
> wrote:

>Woo hoo! Our 17-year-old son, Joe, passed his Private checkride
>today, on a picture-perfect fall afternoon!

Awesome!

[Longworth[_1_]]

On Nov 24, 7:46 pm, Jay Honeck > wrote:
> Woo hoo! Our 17-year-old son, Joe, passed his Private checkride
> today, on a picture-perfect fall afternoon!

Fabulous! Three pilots in the family. Will you give Joe equal PIC
time on Atlas? ;-)

Hai Longworth

[Jay Honeck]

> Congratulations to Joe, you, and Mary for a job well done.

Thanks, Dudley!

Hey, everyone -- do me a favor and bombard Joe's email box with your
congratulations, just like you did after his solo flight. He's a
great kid, and he worked extremely hard to earn his ticket.

His email is

Thanks,
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Blueskies]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
...
> Woo hoo! Our 17-year-old son, Joe, passed his Private checkride
> today, on a picture-perfect fall afternoon!
>


:-)

[Jay Honeck]

> Fabulous! Three pilots in the family. Will you give Joe equal PIC
> time on Atlas? ;-)

I don't think he can afford the hourly rental rate...

;-)

Seriously, he's gonna be hard-pressed to afford to stay current in the
FBO's Cezzna 150. Until he's out of college, and working a good job,
I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up having to hang it up for a year
or two.

But, hey -- he's got it in his wallet. THAT was the important part.

And he's still talking about possibly pursuing flying as a profession
-- so he may go on and get his IR and CFI.

Free BFRs!

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Andrew Sarangan]

On Nov 24, 8:10 pm, Jay Honeck > wrote:
> > Congratulations to Joe, you, and Mary for a job well done.
>
> Thanks, Dudley!
>
> Hey, everyone -- do me a favor and bombard Joe's email box with your
> congratulations, just like you did after his solo flight. He's a
> great kid, and he worked extremely hard to earn his ticket.
>
> His email is
>
> Thanks,
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"

Jay

HIs email address was masked by google groups (see above), so I could
not make out what it was.

[Ron Wanttaja]

On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 17:24:55 -0800 (PST), Jay Honeck > wrote:

> And he's still talking about possibly pursuing flying as a profession
> -- so he may go on and get his IR and CFI.
>
> Free BFRs!

They may be no-cost, but they'll NEVER be free: "C'mon, dad, how many times do I
have to tell you...." :-)

Ron Wanttaja

[Dan Luke[_2_]]

"Jay Honeck" wrote:

> Woo hoo! Our 17-year-old son, Joe, passed his Private checkride


That's great! Way to go, Joe.

But, uh, Jay? You know what this means, don't you?

You're going to have to give up more yoke time.

--
Dan
T-182T at BFM

[Judah]

Jay Honeck > wrote in news:9d1c52f6-cc8b-4985-bc90-
:

> Woo hoo! Our 17-year-old son, Joe, passed his Private checkride
> today, on a picture-perfect fall afternoon!

Congratulations! Nice job!

[Jay Honeck]

> But, uh, Jay? You know what this means, don't you?
>
> You're going to have to give up more yoke time.

We're still trying to work this through. Dunno if Joe can afford it,
at his pay grade...

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Matt W. Barrow]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
...
> Woo hoo! Our 17-year-old son, Joe, passed his Private checkride
> today, on a picture-perfect fall afternoon!
>
> He flew the rental Cezzna 150 down to Burlington, IA to meet up with
> his Designated Examiner, an old P-38 Lightning pilot named Tommy
> Tomkins. He's the same guy that gave Mary her checkride nine years
> ago -- and she said he was old THEN! He's well North of 80, but still
> pretty spritely, according to Joe.
>
> The ride took 1.4 hours, and contained no surprises. Joe was well
> prepared, with a bit over 45 hours of "real" flight training time --
> and about a thousand hours of "prep" time with us! I'm hoping to be
> his first passenger tomorrow. Then we'll have to see about getting him
> checked out in Atlas...
>
> One down, one to go. Our 14 year old daughter has a couple of years
> to go before she can get started....
>
> :-)

Congrats to the new junior birdman and welcome to the club!!
--
Matt Barrow
Performance Homes, LLC.
Cheyenne, WY

[BT]

congrats Jay... now those decisions..
most trips have an out and return leg..
which of the pilots does not get to fly?

granted, it will be awhile before he'll be ready for atlas
as for the daughter... she can solo gliders NOW and take her glider check
ride before her power rating
I'll agree it is tough to fly drafty gliders in a snowy winter
B

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
...
> Woo hoo! Our 17-year-old son, Joe, passed his Private checkride
> today, on a picture-perfect fall afternoon!
>
> He flew the rental Cezzna 150 down to Burlington, IA to meet up with
> his Designated Examiner, an old P-38 Lightning pilot named Tommy
> Tomkins. He's the same guy that gave Mary her checkride nine years
> ago -- and she said he was old THEN! He's well North of 80, but still
> pretty spritely, according to Joe.
>
> The ride took 1.4 hours, and contained no surprises. Joe was well
> prepared, with a bit over 45 hours of "real" flight training time --
> and about a thousand hours of "prep" time with us! I'm hoping to be
> his first passenger tomorrow. Then we'll have to see about getting him
> checked out in Atlas...
>
> One down, one to go. Our 14 year old daughter has a couple of years
> to go before she can get started....
>
> :-)
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"

[Jack Allison]

joehoneck at gmail dot com


--
Jack Allison
PP-ASEL-Instrument Airplane

"To become a Jedi knight, you must master a single force. To become
a private pilot you must strive to master four of them"
- Rod Machado

(Remove the obvious from address to reply via e-mail)

[WJRFlyBoy]

On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 16:46:18 -0800 (PST), Jay Honeck wrote:

> Woo hoo! Our 17-year-old son, Joe,

17, wow, good for all of you!
--
Remove numbers for gmail and for God's sake it ain't "gee" either!

[Jose]

> And he's still talking about possibly pursuing flying as a profession
> -- so he may go on and get his IR and CFI.

You're going to let your kid get his instrument rating before you do? :)

Seriously - congrats to him!

Jose

--
You can choose whom to befriend, but you cannot choose whom to love.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

[Jay Honeck]

> > -- so he may go on and get his IR and CFI.
>
> You're going to let your kid get his instrument rating before you do? :)
>
> Seriously - congrats to him!

I'll pass that along.

Wouldn't it be cool if he got his CFII, and I finished up the rating
with my son as instructor?

Spooky/cool...

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[kontiki]

Jay Honeck wrote:
> Woo hoo! Our 17-year-old son, Joe, passed his Private checkride
> today, on a picture-perfect fall afternoon!
>

Congratulations out to Joe for his accomplishment.
Now let him get his instrument rating... and you
could work on it together! ;^)

[B A R R Y]

On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 13:54:54 GMT, kontiki >
wrote:
>
>Congratulations out to Joe for his accomplishment.
>Now let him get his instrument rating... and you
>could work on it together! ;^)


With easy access to each other as safety pilots, they'd probably do it
faster and for less money. They can do productive and loggable
foggle time during the course of normal flying.

Now's your chance, Jay!

[Jose]

> Wouldn't it be cool if he got his CFII, and I finished up the rating
> with my son as instructor?

What would be cool is if your =daughter= got her IR and CFII, and you
did it with her. :)

Jose
--
You can choose whom to befriend, but you cannot choose whom to love.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

[Margy Natalie]

B A R R Y wrote:
> On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 13:54:54 GMT, kontiki >
> wrote:
>
>>Congratulations out to Joe for his accomplishment.
>>Now let him get his instrument rating... and you
>>could work on it together! ;^)
>
>
>
> With easy access to each other as safety pilots, they'd probably do it
> faster and for less money. They can do productive and loggable
> foggle time during the course of normal flying.
>
> Now's your chance, Jay!
Actually that is probalby a really good idea. Have the whole family do
the instrument together. Study nights, flying days. Each taking turns
in the left seat with the others in the back. Most university courses
have students in the back while others fly. You learn a lot sitting in
the back. I would bet this would be the cheapest way to get the ratings
for all of you.

Margy

[Steven Barnes]

My CFI here at KSPI runs a course: http://10dayinstrument.com

He likes to have 2 students at the same time, taking turns in the sim &
plane. Works quite well.

"Margy Natalie" > wrote in message
m...
[snip]
> Actually that is probalby a really good idea. Have the whole family do
> the instrument together. Study nights, flying days. Each taking turns
> in the left seat with the others in the back. Most university courses
> have students in the back while others fly. You learn a lot sitting in
> the back. I would bet this would be the cheapest way to get the ratings
> for all of you.
>
> Margy

[Andrew Gideon]

On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 17:24:55 -0800, Jay Honeck wrote:

> I don't think he can afford the hourly rental rate...
>

[...]

>
> Free BFRs!

You might want to start planning ahead by providing a discount on those
hourly rates. Otherwise, those could be *expensive* BFRs.

My sons are 5 and 2, so I'm watching you with no small amount of envy and
anticipation.

And congrats to the new pilot.

- Andrew

[Jay Honeck]

> My sons are 5 and 2, so I'm watching you with no small amount of envy and
> anticipation.

Don't worry, Andrew -- your 5 year old will be turning 17 in (what
seems like) about three years.

I swear to God, I just taught Joe how to ride a 2-wheeler. Now,
today, I just got back from my first ride as "passenger" in "his"
plane...

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[[email protected]]

On Nov 25, 5:02 pm, Jay Honeck > wrote:
> > My sons are 5 and 2, so I'm watching you with no small amount of envy and
> > anticipation.
>
> Don't worry, Andrew -- your 5 year old will be turning 17 in (what
> seems like) about three years.
>
> I swear to God, I just taught Joe how to ride a 2-wheeler. Now,
> today, I just got back from my first ride as "passenger" in "his"
> plane...
>
> :-)
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"

Jay, ya got to admit.. Flying in a plane piloted by your flesh and
blood is got to be a VERY high point in your life.... Congrats to Joe,
A big moment in the Honeck household for sure...


Ben
www.haaspowerair.com

[Kevin Clarke]

Jay Honeck wrote:
>> My sons are 5 and 2, so I'm watching you with no small amount of envy and
>> anticipation.
>>
>
> Don't worry, Andrew -- your 5 year old will be turning 17 in (what
> seems like) about three years.
>
> I swear to God, I just taught Joe how to ride a 2-wheeler. Now,
> today, I just got back from my first ride as "passenger" in "his"
> plane...
>

So how'd he do? What was going thru your head? I know your heart was
swelling with pride!

KC

[Matt W. Barrow]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
...
>> > -- so he may go on and get his IR and CFI.
>>
>> You're going to let your kid get his instrument rating before you do? :)
>>
>> Seriously - congrats to him!
>
> I'll pass that along.
>
> Wouldn't it be cool if he got his CFII, and I finished up the rating
> with my son as instructor?
>

Yeah...until he has you doing push--ups on the flightline for screwing up.

[Judah]

Jay Honeck > wrote in news:3b3ebd76-e474-4978-a735-
:

>> But, uh, Jay? You know what this means, don't you?
>>
>> You're going to have to give up more yoke time.
>
> We're still trying to work this through. Dunno if Joe can afford it,
> at his pay grade...

You know what that means...

If he reads this NG, he will now be asking for a raise...

[C J Campbell[_1_]]

On 2007-11-24 16:46:18 -0800, Jay Honeck > said:

> Woo hoo! Our 17-year-old son, Joe, passed his Private checkride
> today, on a picture-perfect fall afternoon!

Give him Waddling Eagle's warmest congratulations.



--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

[Gig 601XL Builder]

Jay Honeck wrote:
> Woo hoo! Our 17-year-old son, Joe, passed his Private checkride
> today, on a picture-perfect fall afternoon!
>
> He flew the rental Cezzna 150 down to Burlington, IA to meet up with
> his Designated Examiner, an old P-38 Lightning pilot named Tommy
> Tomkins. He's the same guy that gave Mary her checkride nine years
> ago -- and she said he was old THEN! He's well North of 80, but still
> pretty spritely, according to Joe.
>
> The ride took 1.4 hours, and contained no surprises. Joe was well
> prepared, with a bit over 45 hours of "real" flight training time --
> and about a thousand hours of "prep" time with us! I'm hoping to be
> his first passenger tomorrow. Then we'll have to see about getting him
> checked out in Atlas...
>
> One down, one to go. Our 14 year old daughter has a couple of years
> to go before she can get started....
>
> :-)

Congratulations to Joe. Now here is what you need to do as he goes off to
college and then the world. Give him nothing for birthdays and Christmas
other than flying time. Otherwise he might end up like I did and go years
between flights.

[Jay Honeck]

> You know what that means...
>
> If he reads this NG, he will now be asking for a raise...

Too late!

;-)

The way we worked his flight training was that we paid him a token
amount of cash for his work at the hotel, half of which he was
required to save in his bank account. This gave him enough $$$ to
take his girl out for pizza, while the rest of his pay went toward his
flight instruction.

Yesterday, as we were waiting for the rental 150 to come back, the
light bulb lit up over his head and he asked if THAT portion of his
pay would now be coming to him in the form of cash?

Smart kid, dang it....

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck]

> Congratulations to Joe. Now here is what you need to do as he goes off to
> college and then the world. Give him nothing for birthdays and Christmas
> other than flying time. Otherwise he might end up like I did and go years
> between flights.

Hey, you're talking to a guy who sold his plasma in order to buy 30
minutes of flight time.

Yep, he'll be getting lots of "gift certificates" to that 150 from now
on...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[news.verizon.net[_2_]]

Do you make him pay the fully loaded rate for your cars when he drives them
or just make him put gas in them?

I would think gas in atlas would not be much cheaper then the 150 but he
would be flying a much better plane, one you can have more faith in.
"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
...
>> Congratulations to Joe. Now here is what you need to do as he goes off to
>> college and then the world. Give him nothing for birthdays and Christmas
>> other than flying time. Otherwise he might end up like I did and go years
>> between flights.
>
> Hey, you're talking to a guy who sold his plasma in order to buy 30
> minutes of flight time.
>
> Yep, he'll be getting lots of "gift certificates" to that 150 from now
> on...
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>

[Jay Honeck]

> I would think gas in atlas would not be much cheaper then the 150 but he
> would be flying a much better plane, one you can have more faith in.

Well, there's more to it than that. I can't let Joe drive our company
vehicles until he's 18, due to insurance restrictions. I haven't
checked, but that age limitation will probably be similar with Atlas.

Also, he doesn't have his high-performance endorsement, nor is he
checked out in a Piper. I suspect our insurance company will demand
somewhere between 10 and 15 hours of dual before they let him go, even
IF we can get around that age limitation.

As a result, I suspect that he'll be flying that 150 at least until he
turns 18, but I honestly haven't looked into it too deeply yet.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Matt W. Barrow]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
...
>> Congratulations to Joe. Now here is what you need to do as he goes off to
>> college and then the world. Give him nothing for birthdays and Christmas
>> other than flying time. Otherwise he might end up like I did and go years
>> between flights.
>
> Hey, you're talking to a guy who sold his plasma in order to buy 30
> minutes of flight time.

Wouldn't MoGas work better?

[Jay Honeck]

> > Hey, you're talking to a guy who sold his plasma in order to buy 30
> > minutes of flight time.
>
> Wouldn't MoGas work better?

*Snort!* You're bad! :-)

If you're interested, here are some pics and video of Joe's post-
checkride celebration, and our Father/Son first flight together:

http://www.alexisparkinn.com/2007_joe_is_a_pilot.htm
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Judah]

Jay Honeck > wrote in news:df94de69-40c1-4215-8658-
:

> Smart kid, dang it....

I thought you said he was planning to get is IR, CR and CFI? You know how
expensive that is? He's gonna need to start saving right away!

[Margy Natalie]

Jay Honeck wrote:
>>I would think gas in atlas would not be much cheaper then the 150 but he
>>would be flying a much better plane, one you can have more faith in.
>
>
> Well, there's more to it than that. I can't let Joe drive our company
> vehicles until he's 18, due to insurance restrictions. I haven't
> checked, but that age limitation will probably be similar with Atlas.
>
> Also, he doesn't have his high-performance endorsement, nor is he
> checked out in a Piper. I suspect our insurance company will demand
> somewhere between 10 and 15 hours of dual before they let him go, even
> IF we can get around that age limitation.
>
> As a result, I suspect that he'll be flying that 150 at least until he
> turns 18, but I honestly haven't looked into it too deeply yet.
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
I would bet there is no age limitation as I would guess most insurance
companies haven't thought about teenagers in high performance aircraft.
Kids crash cars all the time, but airplanes. I think you should give
the kid the hi perf as a present and then you always have a designated
pilot :-).

Margy

[RST Engineering]

Well, shucky darn, there ARE those of us passing through that would be more
than happy to sign Joe off for his high performance AND give him at least
those 10 hours of dual between IOW and OSH next summer compliments of the
house, but I suspect you can't wait that long.

Jim & Gail ...


>>
>> Also, he doesn't have his high-performance endorsement, nor is he
>> checked out in a Piper. I suspect our insurance company will demand
>> somewhere between 10 and 15 hours of dual before they let him go, even
>> IF we can get around that age limitation.

[Jay Honeck]

> Well, shucky darn, there ARE those of us passing through that would be more
> than happy to sign Joe off for his high performance AND give him at least
> those 10 hours of dual between IOW and OSH next summer compliments of the
> house, but I suspect you can't wait that long.

Wow -- THANKS, Jim!

I don't know how you'll get 10 hours between here and OSH, though.
You'd have to go pick up Eric in Ohio, or sumpin'...

;-)

(But you're right, I doubt Joe will want to wait that long...)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[RST Engineering]

Well, time is logged from the time the aircraft begins movement towards
flight until it comes to rest afterwards. I've logged 10 hours just waiting
in line for takeoff from OSH {;-)

You can also up the ante by bringing it back to 1800 RPM and hanging it 5
knots from stall going both ways.

Jim


>
> I don't know how you'll get 10 hours between here and OSH

[Tri-Pacer]

>>
>> Well, there's more to it than that. I can't let Joe drive our company
>> vehicles until he's 18, due to insurance restrictions. I haven't
>> checked, but that age limitation will probably be similar with Atlas.


Wow an age restriction for airplane insurance.

I turned 17 many years ago and was never asked my age when I showed up to
rent an airplane. They were only interested in my logbook, certificate and
medical.

Times change.

Cheers:

Paul
N1431A
KPLU