Cessna To Build Skycatcher Overseas Despite Cheap Dollar

[Larry Dighera]

>>> Cessna SkyCatcher HQ to Be Announced This Week

CESSNA TO BUILD SKYCATCHER OVERSEAS
(http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/1004-full.html#196645)
Cessna CEO Jack Pelton has confirmed what many suspected when the
Cessna 162 Skycatcher -- and its $109,000 price tag -- were
introduced earlier this year. In an interview with The Wichita
Eagle (http://www.kansas.com/107/story/236262.html), Cessna CEO
Jack Pelton said that to make that price target "a major part of
that content has to be built someplace else." Cessna intends to
announce where the little aluminum high-wing will be made at a
news conference on Wednesday. The company has searched the world
looking for the right manufacturer.



http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/071123/euro_dollar.html?.v=1
Meanwhile, Airbus CEO Thomas Enders said the euro has now "crossed
the pain threshold" and that the rate of the dollar's fall "hardly
leaves room for reasonable adapting."




http://finance.yahoo.com/charts#chart1:symbol=usdeur=x;range=5y;charttype=l ine;crosshair=on;logscale=on;source=undefined
Five year graph.



http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/071106/dollar.html?.v=5
Dollar Falls to New Lows

[Darkwing]

"Larry Dighera" > wrote in message
...
>
> >>> Cessna SkyCatcher HQ to Be Announced This Week
>
> CESSNA TO BUILD SKYCATCHER OVERSEAS
> (http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/1004-full.html#196645)
> Cessna CEO Jack Pelton has confirmed what many suspected when the
> Cessna 162 Skycatcher -- and its $109,000 price tag -- were
> introduced earlier this year. In an interview with The Wichita
> Eagle (http://www.kansas.com/107/story/236262.html), Cessna CEO
> Jack Pelton said that to make that price target "a major part of
> that content has to be built someplace else." Cessna intends to
> announce where the little aluminum high-wing will be made at a
> news conference on Wednesday. The company has searched the world
> looking for the right manufacturer.
>
>
>
> http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/071123/euro_dollar.html?.v=1
> Meanwhile, Airbus CEO Thomas Enders said the euro has now "crossed
> the pain threshold" and that the rate of the dollar's fall "hardly
> leaves room for reasonable adapting."
>
>
>
>
> http://finance.yahoo.com/charts#chart1:symbol=usdeur=x;range=5y;charttype=l ine;crosshair=on;logscale=on;source=undefined
> Five year graph.
>
>
>
> http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/071106/dollar.html?.v=5
> Dollar Falls to New Lows


I have a proforma sitting on my desk for a container that I need from Italy.
It is going to cost me 15% more than it did two years ago. I had two
containers shipped here two years ago, this year I am doing a half container
that I am sharing with another company. I only ordered what we HAD to have
instead of putting more in overstock. So I can see how much this has hurt
importing from the EU and the UK, two places where I import a lot from.

I wonder if Cessna will choose a company in China to build their plane. If
so you can count me out. If my iPod decides to die I can handle that, if a
wing falls off then I'm in deep ****.

[Larry Dighera]

On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:19:37 -0500, "Darkwing"
<theducksmail"AT"yahoo.com> wrote in
>:

>I wonder if Cessna will choose a company in China to build their plane.

I would want to see FAA inspectors stationed on-site at the foreign
manufacturing facility, so that US consumers could be assured that the
composite construction was performed correctly. I would think it
would be difficult to inspect it after the fact.

[[email protected]]

On Nov 26, 10:31 am, Larry Dighera > wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:19:37 -0500, "Darkwing"
> <theducksmail"AT"yahoo.com> wrote in
> >:
>
> >I wonder if Cessna will choose a company in China to build their plane.
>
> I would want to see FAA inspectors stationed on-site at the foreign
> manufacturing facility, so that US consumers could be assured that the
> composite construction was performed correctly. I would think it
> would be difficult to inspect it after the fact.

Yes, especially with lead based paint on the wings. X-Rays don't go
through lead very well... ;-)

[Gig 601XL Builder]

Larry Dighera wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:19:37 -0500, "Darkwing"
> <theducksmail"AT"yahoo.com> wrote in
> >:
>
>> I wonder if Cessna will choose a company in China to build their
>> plane.
>
> I would want to see FAA inspectors stationed on-site at the foreign
> manufacturing facility, so that US consumers could be assured that the
> composite construction was performed correctly. I would think it
> would be difficult to inspect it after the fact.

FAA isn't inspecting US built SLAs why should they inspect foreign?

[Larry Dighera]

On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:45:04 -0600, "Gig 601XL Builder"
<wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net> wrote in
>:

>
>FAA isn't inspecting US built SLAs why should they inspect foreign?
>

Because of the evidence provided recently of foreign made goods being
below standard.

[Darkwing]

"Larry Dighera" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:45:04 -0600, "Gig 601XL Builder"
> <wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net> wrote in
> >:
>
>>
>>FAA isn't inspecting US built SLAs why should they inspect foreign?
>>
>
> Because of the evidence provided recently of foreign made goods being
> below standard.

....and what a surprise that came to all of us.

[Stefan]

Larry Dighera schrieb:

> Because of the evidence provided recently of foreign made goods being
> below standard.

Surely you mean Japanese made cars... or German made gliders... or
Austrian made airplanes (Diamond)... or Swiss made airplanes
(Pilatus)... no, wait, Airbus... whatever.

[Morgans[_2_]]

> Surely you mean Japanese made cars... or German made gliders... or
> Austrian made airplanes (Diamond)... or Swiss made airplanes (Pilatus)...
> no, wait, Airbus... whatever.

He should have just come straight out with it, and said, "Chinese made
junk."

There. Is that better?
--
Jim in NC

[Larry Dighera]

On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 21:32:25 +0100, Stefan >
wrote in >:

>Larry Dighera schrieb:
>
>> Because of the evidence provided recently of foreign made goods being
>> below standard.
>
>Surely you mean Japanese made cars... or German made gliders... or
>Austrian made airplanes (Diamond)... or Swiss made airplanes
>(Pilatus)... no, wait, Airbus... whatever.

True those countries have reputations for superior products, but some
of the countries Cessna is considering don't:


http://www.kansas.com/107/story/236262.html
Cessna spokesman Bob Stangarone said company officials traveled to
Argentina, Australia, China, the Czech Republic, India and Poland
to search for a place to build the plane.

[Stefan]

Larry Dighera schrieb:

> True those countries have reputations for superior products, but some
> of the countries Cessna is considering don't:

> Argentina, Australia, China, the Czech Republic, India and Poland
> to search for a place to build the plane.

The Czech Zlins come to mind, flown by the Czech aerobatic world
champion Ladislav Bezák.
Also the Polish Swift S-1 or MDM-1 Fox come to mind, flown by the Polish
glilder aerobatic world champion Jerzy Makula.
Can't remember an Indian airplane just now, but they have pretty good
software engineers...

[Larry Dighera]

On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:08:36 -0500, "Morgans"
> wrote in >:

>
>> Surely you mean Japanese made cars... or German made gliders... or
>> Austrian made airplanes (Diamond)... or Swiss made airplanes (Pilatus)...
>> no, wait, Airbus... whatever.
>
>He should have just come straight out with it, and said, "Chinese made
>junk."
>
>There. Is that better?


I seem to recall that China is pretty fair at constructing aircraft.

http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/china/aircraft/q-5.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Nanchang_Aircraft_Manufacturing_Corporation

None of them are of composite construction however.

[news.chi.sbcglobal.net]

Can't remember an Indian airplane just now, but they have pretty good
software engineers...

IndUS SLSA (though actually a Thorp design)

X-Air Ultralight/Experimental




"Stefan" > wrote in message
. ..
> Larry Dighera schrieb:
>
>> True those countries have reputations for superior products, but some
>> of the countries Cessna is considering don't:
>
>> Argentina, Australia, China, the Czech Republic, India and Poland
>> to search for a place to build the plane.
>
> The Czech Zlins come to mind, flown by the Czech aerobatic world champion
> Ladislav Bezák.
> Also the Polish Swift S-1 or MDM-1 Fox come to mind, flown by the Polish
> glilder aerobatic world champion Jerzy Makula.
> Can't remember an Indian airplane just now, but they have pretty good
> software engineers...

[Phil]

On Nov 26, 11:54 am, wrote:

> Yes, especially with lead based paint on the wings.


Hmmm. That's really going to bring the useful load down.

[C J Campbell[_1_]]

On 2007-11-26 07:21:09 -0800, Larry Dighera > said:

>
> >>> Cessna SkyCatcher HQ to Be Announced This Week
>
> CESSNA TO BUILD SKYCATCHER OVERSEAS
> (http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/1004-full.html#196645)
> Cessna CEO Jack Pelton has confirmed what many suspected when the
> Cessna 162 Skycatcher -- and its $109,000 price tag -- were
> introduced earlier this year. In an interview with The Wichita
> Eagle (http://www.kansas.com/107/story/236262.html), Cessna CEO
> Jack Pelton said that to make that price target "a major part of
> that content has to be built someplace else." Cessna intends to
> announce where the little aluminum high-wing will be made at a
> news conference on Wednesday. The company has searched the world
> looking for the right manufacturer.
>
>
>
> http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/071123/euro_dollar.html?.v=1
> Meanwhile, Airbus CEO Thomas Enders said the euro has now "crossed
> the pain threshold" and that the rate of the dollar's fall "hardly
> leaves room for reasonable adapting."
>
>
>
>
> http://finance.yahoo.com/charts#chart1:symbol=usdeur=x;range=5y;charttype=l ine;crosshair=on;logscale=on;source=undefined

>
> Five year graph.
>
>
>
> http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/071106/dollar.html?.v=5
> Dollar Falls to New Lows

Cessna already makes many of their subassemblies in Mexico. Almost all
their jets are manufactured there and final assembly is in the US. So I
would guess that the Skycatcher, which already was going to have wings
and fuselage manufactured in Mexico, will also be assembled in Mexico.

The decline in the dollar has been a long time coming. It has been far
too strong since the 1970s at least. In particular, China's refusal to
allow their currency to trade at its real value has created huge
distortions in international trade. American-made products were far too
expensive to be competitive with anything manufactured overseas,
hurting employment at home.

The time when an American tourist could go where he wanted and buy
anything he wanted is ending, but so is the time when every American
company was shipping all our jobs overseas.

--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

[Mxsmanic]

Stefan writes:

> Surely you mean Japanese made cars... or German made gliders... or
> Austrian made airplanes (Diamond)... or Swiss made airplanes
> (Pilatus)... no, wait, Airbus... whatever.

In general, when countries can produce something very inexpensively, they are
in a phase of development where they also produce things that are of very poor
quality. China is in that phase right now, producing junk at extremely low
prices.

The fact is, no matter where you make something, you can't get something for
nothing. Quality always costs money. The low cost of manufacture in a Third
World country is often closely linked to very low quality. Eventually the
quality improves as the country develops, but so does the price. The most
recent examples of this have been in the Far East. Postwar Japan produced
junk at low prices. Today it produces high quality, but at high prices.

[WJRFlyBoy]

On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 07:23:03 +0100, Mxsmanic wrote:

> In general, when countries can produce something very inexpensively, they are
> in a phase of development where they also produce things that are of very poor
> quality. China is in that phase right now, producing junk at extremely low
> prices.

Like the very high quality of software code I get from Nepal.

> The fact is, no matter where you make something, you can't get something for
> nothing. Quality always costs money.

Poor quality costs money so your point is......

> The low cost of manufacture in a Third
> World country is often closely linked to very low quality. Eventually the
> quality improves as the country develops, but so does the price. The most
> recent examples of this have been in the Far East. Postwar Japan produced
> junk at low prices. Today it produces high quality, but at high prices.

So the very high quality of software code I get from Nepal is an illusion.
--
Remove numbers for gmail and for God's sake it ain't "gee" either!

[Larry Dighera]

On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 19:58:18 -0800, C J Campbell
> wrote in
<2007112619581816807-christophercampbell@hotmailcom>:

>Cessna already makes many of their subassemblies in Mexico. Almost all
>their jets are manufactured there and final assembly is in the US. So I
>would guess that the Skycatcher, which already was going to have wings
>and fuselage manufactured in Mexico, will also be assembled in Mexico.



>>> China Says "Ni Hao" to Skycatcher Plant

SKYCATCHER TO BE MADE IN CHINA
(http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/bizav/1005-full.html#196672)
Cessna has chosen the Chinese-government owned Shenyang Aircraft
Corp. to build the Model 162 Skycatcher. Earlier this week, Cessna
announced it would be building the Light Sport Aircraft offshore.
In a news release

(http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/index.jsp?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20071127006543&newsLang=en),
Cessna CEO Jack Pelton said the company needed top quality at a
competitive price and SAC put it all together. "Our solution is to
partner with SAC, a company with excellent facilities,
state-of-the-art technologies and a workforce highly experienced
in aircraft manufacturing. SkyCatcher customers will get an
advanced design, high-quality workmanship and world-class product
support, all at an affordable price from Cessna, a brand known and
trusted worldwide." The move, coupled with Cessna's acquisition of
Columbia Aircraft has dominated Cessna's profile in recent months
as it continues to pile up record sales for its business jets.





http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/index.jsp?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20071127006543&newsLang=en
Cessna will design the aircraft and handle American Society for
Testing and Materials (ASTM) compliance work, as well as provide
on-site personnel to oversee manufacturing, quality assurance and
technical design. SAC will be responsible for assembling the
SkyCatcher. ...

Founded in 1951, SAC is a civilian and military aircraft
manufacturer with 16,000 employees in Shenyang, China. Boeing,
Airbus, Bombardier, Spirit AeroSystems and Singapore Aerospace are
just a few of SAC’s clients. ...

Cessna 162 SkyCatcher. An introductory price of $109,500 USD will
hold for the first 1,000 orders and then increase to $111,500 USD.
Orders have already approached 900. ...

[Mxsmanic]

WJRFlyBoy writes:

> So the very high quality of software code I get from Nepal is an illusion.

Or a lucky break. Or a temporary advantage.

[C J Campbell[_1_]]

On 2007-11-28 09:44:46 -0800, Larry Dighera > said:

> On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 19:58:18 -0800, C J Campbell
> > wrote in
> <2007112619581816807-christophercampbell@hotmailcom>:
>
>> Cessna already makes many of their subassemblies in Mexico. Almost all
>> their jets are manufactured there and final assembly is in the US. So I
>> would guess that the Skycatcher, which already was going to have wings
>> and fuselage manufactured in Mexico, will also be assembled in Mexico.
>
>
>
> >>> China Says "Ni Hao" to Skycatcher Plant
>
> SKYCATCHER TO BE MADE IN CHINA
> (http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/bizav/1005-full.html#196672)
> Cessna has chosen the Chinese-government owned Shenyang Aircraft
> Corp. to build the Model 162 Skycatcher. Earlier this week, Cessna
> announced it would be building the Light Sport Aircraft offshore.
> In a news release
>
> (http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/index.jsp?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20071127006543&newsLang=en),
Cessna
>
> CEO Jack Pelton said the company needed top quality at a
> competitive price and SAC put it all together. "Our solution is to
> partner with SAC, a company with excellent facilities,
> state-of-the-art technologies and a workforce highly experienced
> in aircraft manufacturing. SkyCatcher customers will get an
> advanced design, high-quality workmanship and world-class product
> support, all at an affordable price from Cessna, a brand known and
> trusted worldwide." The move, coupled with Cessna's acquisition of
> Columbia Aircraft has dominated Cessna's profile in recent months
> as it continues to pile up record sales for its business jets.
>
>
>
>
>
> http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/index.jsp?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20071127006543&newsLang=en

>
> Cessna will design the aircraft and handle American Society for
> Testing and Materials (ASTM) compliance work, as well as provide
> on-site personnel to oversee manufacturing, quality assurance and
> technical design. SAC will be responsible for assembling the
> SkyCatcher. ...
>
> Founded in 1951, SAC is a civilian and military aircraft
> manufacturer with 16,000 employees in Shenyang, China. Boeing,
> Airbus, Bombardier, Spirit AeroSystems and Singapore Aerospace are
> just a few of SAC’s clients. ...
>
> Cessna 162 SkyCatcher. An introductory price of $109,500 USD will
> hold for the first 1,000 orders and then increase to $111,500 USD.
> Orders have already approached 900. ...

Figures. Well, so much for that.
--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> WJRFlyBoy writes:
>
>> So the very high quality of software code I get from Nepal is an
>> illusion.
>
> Or a lucky break. Or a temporary advantage.
>



You;re an idiot.


Bertie

[Jim Stewart]

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
> Mxsmanic > wrote in
> :
>
>> WJRFlyBoy writes:
>>
>>> So the very high quality of software code I get from Nepal is an
>>> illusion.
>> Or a lucky break. Or a temporary advantage.
>>
>
>
>
> You;re an idiot.

What was he before?

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Jim Stewart > wrote in
:

> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>> Mxsmanic > wrote in
>> :
>>
>>> WJRFlyBoy writes:
>>>
>>>> So the very high quality of software code I get from Nepal is an
>>>> illusion.
>>> Or a lucky break. Or a temporary advantage.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> You;re an idiot.
>
> What was he before?
>
A fjukkwit. #He's slipping

Bertie