Barf bags don't work in zero G's

[Aviv Hod]

Fellow pilots, let's be nicer to our passengers than this pilot
apparently is. If anyone in the plane has a bag at the ready, it's not
a good time to pull zero G maneuvers!!

http://www.break.com/index/barf-bags-dont-work-at-0-gs.html

This is pretty funny though :-)

-Aviv

[Dale[_3_]]

In article >,
Aviv Hod > wrote:

> Fellow pilots, let's be nicer to our passengers than this pilot
> apparently is. If anyone in the plane has a bag at the ready, it's not
> a good time to pull zero G maneuvers!!
>
> http://www.break.com/index/barf-bags-dont-work-at-0-gs.html
>
> This is pretty funny though :-)
>
> -Aviv

I just don't see a lot of humor in doing that to another person.

Once had a pax open my side window and try to puke out the window. We
were slowed up at the time, only 120 or so, but his plan didn't work out
very well. His milkshake ended up on the instrument panel, all over his
headset (which he had borrowed from me), and a large portion in the face
of his girlfriend seated in the 3rd row.

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

Aviv Hod wrote:
> Fellow pilots, let's be nicer to our passengers than this pilot
> apparently is. If anyone in the plane has a bag at the ready, it's not
> a good time to pull zero G maneuvers!!
>
> http://www.break.com/index/barf-bags-dont-work-at-0-gs.html
>
> This is pretty funny though :-)
>
> -Aviv

In my opinion this pilot would not end up on my list of people I would
recommend.
This "stunt" is unwise as a general rule, especially in aircraft like
this one; especially loaded with passengers; especially with baggage in
the baggage compartment; especially with that baggage not tied down and
secured; and most importantly, especially at the high rate of forward
pressure this pilot was obviously using to "create the effect".
It's very possible to take these airplanes right on through 0 g and into
negative g if this is done fast enough and these airplanes are not
designed for that. Carried to the extreme, this "stunt" could cause real
structural problems.
And all this doesn't even address the fact that at least one passenger
on this flight was taken from the role of passenger and made a victim by
this totally inappropriate, unprofessional, and unnecessary act of
stupidity by this pilot.
Demonstrating things like this in a loaded airplane is not the way to
impress the ladies.
I hope I've made my point on this perfectly clear.

--
Dudley Henriques

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Dudley Henriques > wrote in news:zO-
:

> Aviv Hod wrote:
>> Fellow pilots, let's be nicer to our passengers than this pilot
>> apparently is. If anyone in the plane has a bag at the ready, it's not
>> a good time to pull zero G maneuvers!!
>>
>> http://www.break.com/index/barf-bags-dont-work-at-0-gs.html
>>
>> This is pretty funny though :-)
>>
>> -Aviv
>
> In my opinion this pilot would not end up on my list of people I would
> recommend.
> This "stunt" is unwise as a general rule, especially in aircraft like
> this one; especially loaded with passengers; especially with baggage in
> the baggage compartment; especially with that baggage not tied down and
> secured; and most importantly, especially at the high rate of forward
> pressure this pilot was obviously using to "create the effect".
> It's very possible to take these airplanes right on through 0 g and into
> negative g if this is done fast enough and these airplanes are not
> designed for that. Carried to the extreme, this "stunt" could cause real
> structural problems.
> And all this doesn't even address the fact that at least one passenger
> on this flight was taken from the role of passenger and made a victim by
> this totally inappropriate, unprofessional, and unnecessary act of
> stupidity by this pilot.
> Demonstrating things like this in a loaded airplane is not the way to
> impress the ladies.
> I hope I've made my point on this perfectly clear.
>

Waht was that first part again?


Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Aviv Hod > wrote in
:

> Fellow pilots, let's be nicer to our passengers than this pilot
> apparently is. If anyone in the plane has a bag at the ready, it's not
> a good time to pull zero G maneuvers!!
>
> http://www.break.com/index/barf-bags-dont-work-at-0-gs.html
>
> This is pretty funny though :-)
>
> -Aviv

Class act.


Bertie

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
> Dudley Henriques > wrote in news:zO-
> :
>
>> Aviv Hod wrote:
>>> Fellow pilots, let's be nicer to our passengers than this pilot
>>> apparently is. If anyone in the plane has a bag at the ready, it's not
>>> a good time to pull zero G maneuvers!!
>>>
>>> http://www.break.com/index/barf-bags-dont-work-at-0-gs.html
>>>
>>> This is pretty funny though :-)
>>>
>>> -Aviv
>> In my opinion this pilot would not end up on my list of people I would
>> recommend.
>> This "stunt" is unwise as a general rule, especially in aircraft like
>> this one; especially loaded with passengers; especially with baggage in
>> the baggage compartment; especially with that baggage not tied down and
>> secured; and most importantly, especially at the high rate of forward
>> pressure this pilot was obviously using to "create the effect".
>> It's very possible to take these airplanes right on through 0 g and into
>> negative g if this is done fast enough and these airplanes are not
>> designed for that. Carried to the extreme, this "stunt" could cause real
>> structural problems.
>> And all this doesn't even address the fact that at least one passenger
>> on this flight was taken from the role of passenger and made a victim by
>> this totally inappropriate, unprofessional, and unnecessary act of
>> stupidity by this pilot.
>> Demonstrating things like this in a loaded airplane is not the way to
>> impress the ladies.
>> I hope I've made my point on this perfectly clear.
>>
>
> Waht was that first part again?
>
>
> Bertie

Bad JuJu :-)

--
Dudley Henriques

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Dale > wrote in news:notme-57D044.05393329112007
@news.gci.net:

> In article >,
> Aviv Hod > wrote:
>
>> Fellow pilots, let's be nicer to our passengers than this pilot
>> apparently is. If anyone in the plane has a bag at the ready, it's not
>> a good time to pull zero G maneuvers!!
>>
>> http://www.break.com/index/barf-bags-dont-work-at-0-gs.html
>>
>> This is pretty funny though :-)
>>
>> -Aviv
>
> I just don't see a lot of humor in doing that to another person.


Neither do I
>
> Once had a pax open my side window and try to puke out the window. We
> were slowed up at the time, only 120 or so, but his plan didn't work out
> very well. His milkshake ended up on the instrument panel, all over his
> headset (which he had borrowed from me), and a large portion in the face
> of his girlfriend seated in the 3rd row.
>


Aside from anything else, you never get the stuff out of the airplane
completely. If th eairplane lives in a hot climate. it will smell for
years.

Ecchh. I got nauseous just watching that..


Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Dudley Henriques > wrote in
:

> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>> Dudley Henriques > wrote in news:zO-
>> :
>>
>>> Aviv Hod wrote:
>>>> Fellow pilots, let's be nicer to our passengers than this pilot
>>>> apparently is. If anyone in the plane has a bag at the ready, it's
>>>> not a good time to pull zero G maneuvers!!
>>>>
>>>> http://www.break.com/index/barf-bags-dont-work-at-0-gs.html
>>>>
>>>> This is pretty funny though :-)
>>>>
>>>> -Aviv
>>> In my opinion this pilot would not end up on my list of people I
>>> would recommend.
>>> This "stunt" is unwise as a general rule, especially in aircraft
>>> like this one; especially loaded with passengers; especially with
>>> baggage in the baggage compartment; especially with that baggage not
>>> tied down and secured; and most importantly, especially at the high
>>> rate of forward pressure this pilot was obviously using to "create
>>> the effect". It's very possible to take these airplanes right on
>>> through 0 g and into negative g if this is done fast enough and
>>> these airplanes are not designed for that. Carried to the extreme,
>>> this "stunt" could cause real structural problems.
>>> And all this doesn't even address the fact that at least one
>>> passenger on this flight was taken from the role of passenger and
>>> made a victim by this totally inappropriate, unprofessional, and
>>> unnecessary act of stupidity by this pilot.
>>> Demonstrating things like this in a loaded airplane is not the way
>>> to impress the ladies.
>>> I hope I've made my point on this perfectly clear.
>>>
>>
>> Waht was that first part again?
>>
>>
>> Bertie
>
> Bad JuJu :-)
>

Yep. What an asshole!
When I used to give aerobatic rides in the Stearmans, we had our share
of casualties. We always briefed a signal if the passenger was getting
uncomfortable. Sometimes it caught up on them, though and if you saw a
head going over the cockpit side your foot went down on the same side
quick-ish so you didn't get a faceful yourself. A couple of people just
put their head 'twxth their knees, but fortunately, the Stearman had a
removable pan beneath the cockpits you could release with a few dzus and
a quick hosing our was all that was needed.
Now there's a well thought out airplane.



Bertie

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
> Dudley Henriques > wrote in
> :
>
>> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>>> Dudley Henriques > wrote in news:zO-
>>> :
>>>
>>>> Aviv Hod wrote:
>>>>> Fellow pilots, let's be nicer to our passengers than this pilot
>>>>> apparently is. If anyone in the plane has a bag at the ready, it's
>>>>> not a good time to pull zero G maneuvers!!
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.break.com/index/barf-bags-dont-work-at-0-gs.html
>>>>>
>>>>> This is pretty funny though :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> -Aviv
>>>> In my opinion this pilot would not end up on my list of people I
>>>> would recommend.
>>>> This "stunt" is unwise as a general rule, especially in aircraft
>>>> like this one; especially loaded with passengers; especially with
>>>> baggage in the baggage compartment; especially with that baggage not
>>>> tied down and secured; and most importantly, especially at the high
>>>> rate of forward pressure this pilot was obviously using to "create
>>>> the effect". It's very possible to take these airplanes right on
>>>> through 0 g and into negative g if this is done fast enough and
>>>> these airplanes are not designed for that. Carried to the extreme,
>>>> this "stunt" could cause real structural problems.
>>>> And all this doesn't even address the fact that at least one
>>>> passenger on this flight was taken from the role of passenger and
>>>> made a victim by this totally inappropriate, unprofessional, and
>>>> unnecessary act of stupidity by this pilot.
>>>> Demonstrating things like this in a loaded airplane is not the way
>>>> to impress the ladies.
>>>> I hope I've made my point on this perfectly clear.
>>>>
>>> Waht was that first part again?
>>>
>>>
>>> Bertie
>> Bad JuJu :-)
>>
>
> Yep. What an asshole!
> When I used to give aerobatic rides in the Stearmans, we had our share
> of casualties. We always briefed a signal if the passenger was getting
> uncomfortable. Sometimes it caught up on them, though and if you saw a
> head going over the cockpit side your foot went down on the same side
> quick-ish so you didn't get a faceful yourself. A couple of people just
> put their head 'twxth their knees, but fortunately, the Stearman had a
> removable pan beneath the cockpits you could release with a few dzus and
> a quick hosing our was all that was needed.
> Now there's a well thought out airplane.
>
>
>
> Bertie
>
>
>
>
I've tried that rudder trick myself in a Great Lakes....with mixed
results :-))
The Stearman is a great airplane. We had a 450 on the field I flew once
in a while with the owner. Don't know if you ever had the chance to fly
the 450. It was a whole new airplane. I remember laughing to myself on
my first takeoff. I didn't have the power in before I broke ground. The
nose visuals were about the same as the Mustang.....non-existent :-))



--
Dudley Henriques

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
> Dudley Henriques > wrote in news:zO-
> :
>
>> Aviv Hod wrote:
>>> Fellow pilots, let's be nicer to our passengers than this pilot
>>> apparently is. If anyone in the plane has a bag at the ready, it's not
>>> a good time to pull zero G maneuvers!!
>>>
>>> http://www.break.com/index/barf-bags-dont-work-at-0-gs.html
>>>
>>> This is pretty funny though :-)
>>>
>>> -Aviv
>> In my opinion this pilot would not end up on my list of people I would
>> recommend.
>> This "stunt" is unwise as a general rule, especially in aircraft like
>> this one; especially loaded with passengers; especially with baggage in
>> the baggage compartment; especially with that baggage not tied down and
>> secured; and most importantly, especially at the high rate of forward
>> pressure this pilot was obviously using to "create the effect".
>> It's very possible to take these airplanes right on through 0 g and into
>> negative g if this is done fast enough and these airplanes are not
>> designed for that. Carried to the extreme, this "stunt" could cause real
>> structural problems.
>> And all this doesn't even address the fact that at least one passenger
>> on this flight was taken from the role of passenger and made a victim by
>> this totally inappropriate, unprofessional, and unnecessary act of
>> stupidity by this pilot.
>> Demonstrating things like this in a loaded airplane is not the way to
>> impress the ladies.
>> I hope I've made my point on this perfectly clear.
>>
>
> Waht was that first part again?
>
>
> Bertie

Kind of like reading "Sale of Two Titties".....wait....that's "Tale of
two Cities I think.

Begins with
"It was a day like any other day"....ends with..

"Twas a far better thing I have done that I ever did before"

The rest is just the middle part :-))

--
Dudley Henriques

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Dudley Henriques > wrote in
:

> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>> Dudley Henriques > wrote in
>> :
>>
>>> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>>>> Dudley Henriques > wrote in news:zO-
>>>> :
>>>>
>>>>> Aviv Hod wrote:
>>>>>> Fellow pilots, let's be nicer to our passengers than this pilot
>>>>>> apparently is. If anyone in the plane has a bag at the ready,
>>>>>> it's not a good time to pull zero G maneuvers!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.break.com/index/barf-bags-dont-work-at-0-gs.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is pretty funny though :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Aviv
>>>>> In my opinion this pilot would not end up on my list of people I
>>>>> would recommend.
>>>>> This "stunt" is unwise as a general rule, especially in aircraft
>>>>> like this one; especially loaded with passengers; especially with
>>>>> baggage in the baggage compartment; especially with that baggage
>>>>> not tied down and secured; and most importantly, especially at the
>>>>> high rate of forward pressure this pilot was obviously using to
>>>>> "create the effect". It's very possible to take these airplanes
>>>>> right on through 0 g and into negative g if this is done fast
>>>>> enough and these airplanes are not designed for that. Carried to
>>>>> the extreme, this "stunt" could cause real structural problems.
>>>>> And all this doesn't even address the fact that at least one
>>>>> passenger on this flight was taken from the role of passenger and
>>>>> made a victim by this totally inappropriate, unprofessional, and
>>>>> unnecessary act of stupidity by this pilot.
>>>>> Demonstrating things like this in a loaded airplane is not the way
>>>>> to impress the ladies.
>>>>> I hope I've made my point on this perfectly clear.
>>>>>
>>>> Waht was that first part again?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bertie
>>> Bad JuJu :-)
>>>
>>
>> Yep. What an asshole!
>> When I used to give aerobatic rides in the Stearmans, we had our
>> share of casualties. We always briefed a signal if the passenger was
>> getting uncomfortable. Sometimes it caught up on them, though and if
>> you saw a head going over the cockpit side your foot went down on the
>> same side quick-ish so you didn't get a faceful yourself. A couple of
>> people just put their head 'twxth their knees, but fortunately, the
>> Stearman had a removable pan beneath the cockpits you could release
>> with a few dzus and a quick hosing our was all that was needed.
>> Now there's a well thought out airplane.
>>
>>
>>
>> Bertie
>>
>>
>>
>>
> I've tried that rudder trick myself in a Great Lakes....with mixed
> results :-))
> The Stearman is a great airplane. We had a 450 on the field I flew
> once in a while with the owner. Don't know if you ever had the chance
> to fly the 450. It was a whole new airplane. I remember laughing to
> myself on my first takeoff. I didn't have the power in before I broke
> ground. The nose visuals were about the same as the
> Mustang.....non-existent :-))
>

Most of my time is in Lyc and Contineal powered ones. The only 450 I
flew was a duster and it weighed so much it went about the same as the
stock ones!


Bertie
>
>

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Dudley Henriques > wrote in
:

> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>> Dudley Henriques > wrote in news:zO-
>> :
>>
>>> Aviv Hod wrote:
>>>> Fellow pilots, let's be nicer to our passengers than this pilot
>>>> apparently is. If anyone in the plane has a bag at the ready, it's
>>>> not a good time to pull zero G maneuvers!!
>>>>
>>>> http://www.break.com/index/barf-bags-dont-work-at-0-gs.html
>>>>
>>>> This is pretty funny though :-)
>>>>
>>>> -Aviv
>>> In my opinion this pilot would not end up on my list of people I
>>> would recommend.
>>> This "stunt" is unwise as a general rule, especially in aircraft
>>> like this one; especially loaded with passengers; especially with
>>> baggage in the baggage compartment; especially with that baggage not
>>> tied down and secured; and most importantly, especially at the high
>>> rate of forward pressure this pilot was obviously using to "create
>>> the effect". It's very possible to take these airplanes right on
>>> through 0 g and into negative g if this is done fast enough and
>>> these airplanes are not designed for that. Carried to the extreme,
>>> this "stunt" could cause real structural problems.
>>> And all this doesn't even address the fact that at least one
>>> passenger on this flight was taken from the role of passenger and
>>> made a victim by this totally inappropriate, unprofessional, and
>>> unnecessary act of stupidity by this pilot.
>>> Demonstrating things like this in a loaded airplane is not the way
>>> to impress the ladies.
>>> I hope I've made my point on this perfectly clear.
>>>
>>
>> Waht was that first part again?
>>
>>
>> Bertie
>
> Kind of like reading "Sale of Two Titties".....wait....that's "Tale of
> two Cities I think.
>
> Begins with
> "It was a day like any other day"....ends with..
>
> "Twas a far better thing I have done that I ever did before"
>
> The rest is just the middle part :-))


Just pulling yur chain,,


Bertie
>

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
> Dudley Henriques > wrote in
> :
>
>> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>>> Dudley Henriques > wrote in
>>> :
>>>
>>>> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>>>>> Dudley Henriques > wrote in news:zO-
>>>>> :
>>>>>
>>>>>> Aviv Hod wrote:
>>>>>>> Fellow pilots, let's be nicer to our passengers than this pilot
>>>>>>> apparently is. If anyone in the plane has a bag at the ready,
>>>>>>> it's not a good time to pull zero G maneuvers!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.break.com/index/barf-bags-dont-work-at-0-gs.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is pretty funny though :-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Aviv
>>>>>> In my opinion this pilot would not end up on my list of people I
>>>>>> would recommend.
>>>>>> This "stunt" is unwise as a general rule, especially in aircraft
>>>>>> like this one; especially loaded with passengers; especially with
>>>>>> baggage in the baggage compartment; especially with that baggage
>>>>>> not tied down and secured; and most importantly, especially at the
>>>>>> high rate of forward pressure this pilot was obviously using to
>>>>>> "create the effect". It's very possible to take these airplanes
>>>>>> right on through 0 g and into negative g if this is done fast
>>>>>> enough and these airplanes are not designed for that. Carried to
>>>>>> the extreme, this "stunt" could cause real structural problems.
>>>>>> And all this doesn't even address the fact that at least one
>>>>>> passenger on this flight was taken from the role of passenger and
>>>>>> made a victim by this totally inappropriate, unprofessional, and
>>>>>> unnecessary act of stupidity by this pilot.
>>>>>> Demonstrating things like this in a loaded airplane is not the way
>>>>>> to impress the ladies.
>>>>>> I hope I've made my point on this perfectly clear.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Waht was that first part again?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Bertie
>>>> Bad JuJu :-)
>>>>
>>> Yep. What an asshole!
>>> When I used to give aerobatic rides in the Stearmans, we had our
>>> share of casualties. We always briefed a signal if the passenger was
>>> getting uncomfortable. Sometimes it caught up on them, though and if
>>> you saw a head going over the cockpit side your foot went down on the
>>> same side quick-ish so you didn't get a faceful yourself. A couple of
>>> people just put their head 'twxth their knees, but fortunately, the
>>> Stearman had a removable pan beneath the cockpits you could release
>>> with a few dzus and a quick hosing our was all that was needed.
>>> Now there's a well thought out airplane.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bertie
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> I've tried that rudder trick myself in a Great Lakes....with mixed
>> results :-))
>> The Stearman is a great airplane. We had a 450 on the field I flew
>> once in a while with the owner. Don't know if you ever had the chance
>> to fly the 450. It was a whole new airplane. I remember laughing to
>> myself on my first takeoff. I didn't have the power in before I broke
>> ground. The nose visuals were about the same as the
>> Mustang.....non-existent :-))
>>
>
> Most of my time is in Lyc and Contineal powered ones. The only 450 I
> flew was a duster and it weighed so much it went about the same as the
> stock ones!
>
>
> Bertie
>>
>

I had the same feeling. Better nose vis in the standard and the 450 was
heavy as hell in the glide. Great airplanes though and a whole lot of
fun. Flying open is a special experience :-)


--
Dudley Henriques

[C J Campbell[_1_]]

On 2007-11-28 20:56:44 -0800, Aviv Hod
> said:

> Fellow pilots, let's be nicer to our passengers than this pilot
> apparently is. If anyone in the plane has a bag at the ready, it's not
> a good time to pull zero G maneuvers!!
>
> http://www.break.com/index/barf-bags-dont-work-at-0-gs.html
>
> This is pretty funny though :-)
>
> -Aviv

Yeah. Hysterical. About as funny as watching someone get raped or beat up.

This has to be just about one of the stupidest things I have ever seen.
--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Dudley Henriques > wrote in
:

>>
>
> I had the same feeling. Better nose vis in the standard and the 450 was
> heavy as hell in the glide. Great airplanes though and a whole lot of
> fun. Flying open is a special experience :-)
>
>

Only way to go in my book. Stearman was a great aerobatic trainer.
Virtually unburstable (except the prop, of course) and demanding enough to
do aerobatics in, but it was no Waco...
The Lakes was even better, but I got only a little time in them.


Bertie

[Gatt]

>> In my opinion this pilot would not end up on my list of people I would
>> recommend.

No kidding. Not only is it a bad idea to pull partial G's when one of your
pax is already holding the yak bag, that's gotta be the fastest way to spend
a Friday night alone on the couch wishing the two hotties in the back of
your airplane didn't think you were a total jackass.

However, I confess I took a girl through the maneuvers back in
college...while she was holding an open Dr. Pepper and wearing a new white
coat.

-c

[Gatt]

"C J Campbell" > wrote in message
news:2007112910284143658

> Yeah. Hysterical. About as funny as watching someone get raped or beat up.
>
> This has to be just about one of the stupidest things I have ever seen.

Well, if it had been some fratboy in the back (and the pilot owned the plane
so it wasn't stunk up for some renter) that would have been a quite amusing.

What's hysterical is that there's no way in hell that pilot got laid that
night. That's funny.

-c

[Matt Whiting]

Aviv Hod wrote:
> Fellow pilots, let's be nicer to our passengers than this pilot
> apparently is. If anyone in the plane has a bag at the ready, it's not
> a good time to pull zero G maneuvers!!
>
> http://www.break.com/index/barf-bags-dont-work-at-0-gs.html
>
> This is pretty funny though :-)

If you are an idiot.

[Matt Whiting]

Dudley Henriques wrote:
> Aviv Hod wrote:
>> Fellow pilots, let's be nicer to our passengers than this pilot
>> apparently is. If anyone in the plane has a bag at the ready, it's
>> not a good time to pull zero G maneuvers!!
>>
>> http://www.break.com/index/barf-bags-dont-work-at-0-gs.html
>>
>> This is pretty funny though :-)
>>
>> -Aviv
>
> In my opinion this pilot would not end up on my list of people I would
> recommend.
> This "stunt" is unwise as a general rule, especially in aircraft like
> this one; especially loaded with passengers; especially with baggage in
> the baggage compartment; especially with that baggage not tied down and
> secured; and most importantly, especially at the high rate of forward
> pressure this pilot was obviously using to "create the effect".
> It's very possible to take these airplanes right on through 0 g and into
> negative g if this is done fast enough and these airplanes are not
> designed for that. Carried to the extreme, this "stunt" could cause real
> structural problems.
> And all this doesn't even address the fact that at least one passenger
> on this flight was taken from the role of passenger and made a victim by
> this totally inappropriate, unprofessional, and unnecessary act of
> stupidity by this pilot.
> Demonstrating things like this in a loaded airplane is not the way to
> impress the ladies.
> I hope I've made my point on this perfectly clear.

Dudley, it took you a lot of words to say that this pilot is a flaming
idiot ... but I agree with you 100%. :-)

Matt

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

Matt Whiting wrote:
> Dudley Henriques wrote:
>> Aviv Hod wrote:
>>> Fellow pilots, let's be nicer to our passengers than this pilot
>>> apparently is. If anyone in the plane has a bag at the ready, it's
>>> not a good time to pull zero G maneuvers!!
>>>
>>> http://www.break.com/index/barf-bags-dont-work-at-0-gs.html
>>>
>>> This is pretty funny though :-)
>>>
>>> -Aviv
>>
>> In my opinion this pilot would not end up on my list of people I would
>> recommend.
>> This "stunt" is unwise as a general rule, especially in aircraft like
>> this one; especially loaded with passengers; especially with baggage
>> in the baggage compartment; especially with that baggage not tied down
>> and secured; and most importantly, especially at the high rate of
>> forward pressure this pilot was obviously using to "create the effect".
>> It's very possible to take these airplanes right on through 0 g and
>> into negative g if this is done fast enough and these airplanes are
>> not designed for that. Carried to the extreme, this "stunt" could
>> cause real structural problems.
>> And all this doesn't even address the fact that at least one passenger
>> on this flight was taken from the role of passenger and made a victim
>> by this totally inappropriate, unprofessional, and unnecessary act of
>> stupidity by this pilot.
>> Demonstrating things like this in a loaded airplane is not the way to
>> impress the ladies.
>> I hope I've made my point on this perfectly clear.
>
> Dudley, it took you a lot of words to say that this pilot is a flaming
> idiot ... but I agree with you 100%. :-)
>
> Matt

It's the old CFI in me. Just saying someone is an idiot doesn't finish
the job for me. Stating the exact REASON he's an idiot just might help
keep someone reading my posts from getting hurt.
Keeping people alive in airplanes is an ingrained habit with me I guess.
Otherwise, please excuse any perceived tendency toward being overly
pedantic (which I can of course be at times :-)


--
Dudley Henriques

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
> Dudley Henriques > wrote in
> :
>
>> I had the same feeling. Better nose vis in the standard and the 450 was
>> heavy as hell in the glide. Great airplanes though and a whole lot of
>> fun. Flying open is a special experience :-)
>>
>>
>
> Only way to go in my book. Stearman was a great aerobatic trainer.
> Virtually unburstable (except the prop, of course)

Yeah. I remember Rolly Cole going in with a prop failure.




and demanding enough to
> do aerobatics in, but it was no Waco...

Never flew the Wacos. Great airplanes.
> The Lakes was even better, but I got only a little time in them.

The Lakes was a real fun machine. Stable and feisty enough (unless you
had flown a Jungmiester that is :-))


--
Dudley Henriques

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Dudley Henriques > wrote in
:

> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>> Dudley Henriques > wrote in
>> :
>>
>>> I had the same feeling. Better nose vis in the standard and the 450
>>> was heavy as hell in the glide. Great airplanes though and a whole
>>> lot of fun. Flying open is a special experience :-)
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Only way to go in my book. Stearman was a great aerobatic trainer.
>> Virtually unburstable (except the prop, of course)
>
> Yeah. I remember Rolly Cole going in with a prop failure.
>

That's right. He wasn't the only one, either.
The steel McCauley had an AD on it which is one reason why you see so many
converted to wood props nowadays.
Aside from that, at the time I flew them anyway, the airframe was
completely AD free. I think thy ehave a couple of age related ones now but
nothing too serious if looked after. I still can't figure out how they came
up with a redline on the thing, We could never get them to go faster than
about 170 standing on the pedals.


Bertie

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
> Dudley Henriques > wrote in
> :
>
>> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>>> Dudley Henriques > wrote in
>>> :
>>>
>>>> I had the same feeling. Better nose vis in the standard and the 450
>>>> was heavy as hell in the glide. Great airplanes though and a whole
>>>> lot of fun. Flying open is a special experience :-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Only way to go in my book. Stearman was a great aerobatic trainer.
>>> Virtually unburstable (except the prop, of course)
>> Yeah. I remember Rolly Cole going in with a prop failure.
>>
>
> That's right. He wasn't the only one, either.
> The steel McCauley had an AD on it which is one reason why you see so many
> converted to wood props nowadays.
> Aside from that, at the time I flew them anyway, the airframe was
> completely AD free. I think thy ehave a couple of age related ones now but
> nothing too serious if looked after. I still can't figure out how they came
> up with a redline on the thing, We could never get them to go faster than
> about 170 standing on the pedals.
>
>
> Bertie

Yeah. Real shame about Cole. I don't remember any others but that's
normal. I really wasn't in the Stearman community and didn't hang around
with the guys all that much. I think Cole was using AT6 blades on a Ham
Standard Hub on his setup if I recall, but I'm not sure.
Great planes. Great times. Some tragedies of course.
Do you happen to remember the instructor over at Flying W in New Jersey
who rolled the Stearman into the woods over there? I think his name was
Milo Tycheck or something similar? It happened just before I flew there
for a while as an instructor.



--
Dudley Henriques

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Dudley Henriques > wrote in
:

> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>> Dudley Henriques > wrote in
>> :
>>
>>> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>>>> Dudley Henriques > wrote in
>>>> :
>>>>
>>>>> I had the same feeling. Better nose vis in the standard and the
>>>>> 450 was heavy as hell in the glide. Great airplanes though and a
>>>>> whole lot of fun. Flying open is a special experience :-)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Only way to go in my book. Stearman was a great aerobatic trainer.
>>>> Virtually unburstable (except the prop, of course)
>>> Yeah. I remember Rolly Cole going in with a prop failure.
>>>
>>
>> That's right. He wasn't the only one, either.
>> The steel McCauley had an AD on it which is one reason why you see so
>> many converted to wood props nowadays.
>> Aside from that, at the time I flew them anyway, the airframe was
>> completely AD free. I think thy ehave a couple of age related ones
>> now but nothing too serious if looked after. I still can't figure out
>> how they came up with a redline on the thing, We could never get them
>> to go faster than about 170 standing on the pedals.
>>
>>
>> Bertie
>
> Yeah. Real shame about Cole. I don't remember any others but that's
> normal. I really wasn't in the Stearman community and didn't hang
> around with the guys all that much. I think Cole was using AT6 blades
> on a Ham Standard Hub on his setup if I recall, but I'm not sure.
> Great planes. Great times. Some tragedies of course.
> Do you happen to remember the instructor over at Flying W in New
> Jersey who rolled the Stearman into the woods over there? I think his
> name was Milo Tycheck or something similar? It happened just before I
> flew there for a while as an instructor.
>

Mira Slovac? He banged up a Jungmeister somewhere, but he lived and gave
it up.

I do vaguely remember some of the old guys talking about someone who
cracked up in Cape May, I think. Ran out of gas during his routine?
That him?


Bertie


I thnk

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
> Dudley Henriques > wrote in
> :
>
>> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>>> Dudley Henriques > wrote in
>>> :
>>>
>>>> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>>>>> Dudley Henriques > wrote in
>>>>> :
>>>>>
>>>>>> I had the same feeling. Better nose vis in the standard and the
>>>>>> 450 was heavy as hell in the glide. Great airplanes though and a
>>>>>> whole lot of fun. Flying open is a special experience :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Only way to go in my book. Stearman was a great aerobatic trainer.
>>>>> Virtually unburstable (except the prop, of course)
>>>> Yeah. I remember Rolly Cole going in with a prop failure.
>>>>
>>> That's right. He wasn't the only one, either.
>>> The steel McCauley had an AD on it which is one reason why you see so
>>> many converted to wood props nowadays.
>>> Aside from that, at the time I flew them anyway, the airframe was
>>> completely AD free. I think thy ehave a couple of age related ones
>>> now but nothing too serious if looked after. I still can't figure out
>>> how they came up with a redline on the thing, We could never get them
>>> to go faster than about 170 standing on the pedals.
>>>
>>>
>>> Bertie
>> Yeah. Real shame about Cole. I don't remember any others but that's
>> normal. I really wasn't in the Stearman community and didn't hang
>> around with the guys all that much. I think Cole was using AT6 blades
>> on a Ham Standard Hub on his setup if I recall, but I'm not sure.
>> Great planes. Great times. Some tragedies of course.
>> Do you happen to remember the instructor over at Flying W in New
>> Jersey who rolled the Stearman into the woods over there? I think his
>> name was Milo Tycheck or something similar? It happened just before I
>> flew there for a while as an instructor.
>>
>
> Mira Slovac? He banged up a Jungmeister somewhere, but he lived and gave
> it up.
>
> I do vaguely remember some of the old guys talking about someone who
> cracked up in Cape May, I think. Ran out of gas during his routine?
> That him?
>
>
> Bertie
>
>
> I thnk

No, it wasn't Slovak. I remember him well. This guy was a local; sort of
a "hot rock type" local CFI. He just did one roll too many and too low
and bought it in a Stearman one day over at Flying W.
Happens. I'm pretty sure his name was Tycheck.
Oh well....they say the first thing to go is the old memory :-))

Mira was pushing a Bearcat back in the 64 65 Reno period. He was one of
the original Reno crowd back when things were FUN!!


--
Dudley Henriques

[Aviv Hod]

Dale wrote:
> In article >,
> Aviv Hod > wrote:
>
>> Fellow pilots, let's be nicer to our passengers than this pilot
>> apparently is. If anyone in the plane has a bag at the ready, it's not
>> a good time to pull zero G maneuvers!!
>>
>> http://www.break.com/index/barf-bags-dont-work-at-0-gs.html
>>
>> This is pretty funny though :-)
>>
>> -Aviv
>
> I just don't see a lot of humor in doing that to another person.
>
> Once had a pax open my side window and try to puke out the window. We
> were slowed up at the time, only 120 or so, but his plan didn't work out
> very well. His milkshake ended up on the instrument panel, all over his
> headset (which he had borrowed from me), and a large portion in the face
> of his girlfriend seated in the 3rd row.

You're right, it's not funny to do this to another person on purpose.

I doubt this was done out of malice, though, and the pilot surely
regrets it. I also doubt that s/he knew what was coming, and that's
where I saw humor. Anyways, isn't there some humor in most relatively
harmless juvenile hijinks and general tomfoolery?

One thing I don't doubt is that the pilot has learned something from
this experience. Surely their punishment minimally was to clean up the
mess!

-Aviv

[[email protected]]

On Nov 28, 11:56 pm, Aviv Hod
> wrote:
>
> This is pretty funny though :-)
>
> -Aviv

You must be one sick puppy to see any humor in that

[kontiki]

Dudley Henriques wrote:

>
> In my opinion this pilot would not end up on my list of people I would
> recommend.
> This "stunt" is unwise as a general rule, especially in aircraft like
> this one; especially loaded with passengers; especially with baggage in
> the baggage compartment; especially with that baggage not tied down and
> secured; and most importantly, especially at the high rate of forward
> pressure this pilot was obviously using to "create the effect".
> It's very possible to take these airplanes right on through 0 g and into
> negative g if this is done fast enough and these airplanes are not
> designed for that. Carried to the extreme, this "stunt" could cause real
> structural problems.
> And all this doesn't even address the fact that at least one passenger
> on this flight was taken from the role of passenger and made a victim by
> this totally inappropriate, unprofessional, and unnecessary act of
> stupidity by this pilot.
> Demonstrating things like this in a loaded airplane is not the way to
> impress the ladies.
> I hope I've made my point on this perfectly clear.
>

Exactly. No one had parachutes and the plane looks like 172...
The pilot is an idiot.

[Dale[_3_]]

In article >,
kontiki > wrote:

> Dudley Henriques wrote:
>
> >
> > In my opinion this pilot would not end up on my list of people I would
> > recommend.
> > This "stunt" is unwise as a general rule, especially in aircraft like
> > this one; especially loaded with passengers; especially with baggage in
> > the baggage compartment; especially with that baggage not tied down and
> > secured; and most importantly, especially at the high rate of forward
> > pressure this pilot was obviously using to "create the effect".
> > It's very possible to take these airplanes right on through 0 g and into
> > negative g if this is done fast enough and these airplanes are not
> > designed for that. Carried to the extreme, this "stunt" could cause real
> > structural problems.
> > And all this doesn't even address the fact that at least one passenger
> > on this flight was taken from the role of passenger and made a victim by
> > this totally inappropriate, unprofessional, and unnecessary act of
> > stupidity by this pilot.
> > Demonstrating things like this in a loaded airplane is not the way to
> > impress the ladies.
> > I hope I've made my point on this perfectly clear.
> >
>
> Exactly. No one had parachutes and the plane looks like 172...
> The pilot is an idiot.

What do parachutes have to do with it? Easy to do that without
exceeding 30 degrees of pitch.

[kontiki]

Dale wrote:

>
> What do parachutes have to do with it? Easy to do that without
> exceeding 30 degrees of pitch.

I thought they were required for any aerobatics... (it looked like
a loop to me, quality wasn't that good)... The point though, is...
would you take your family out and do aerobatics with them and not
have them wear parachutes? I wouldn't. I had to wear one just when
I was a jump pilot and we never exceeded 30 in pitch. Maybe I'm
just too conservative.

I still think the pilot is an idiot.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

kontiki > wrote in news:oXc4j.21470$ya1.4678
@news02.roc.ny:

> Dale wrote:
>
>>
>> What do parachutes have to do with it? Easy to do that without
>> exceeding 30 degrees of pitch.
>
> I thought they were required for any aerobatics... (it looked like
> a loop to me, quality wasn't that good)... The point though, is...
> would you take your family out and do aerobatics with them and not
> have them wear parachutes? I wouldn't. I had to wear one just when
> I was a jump pilot and we never exceeded 30 in pitch. Maybe I'm
> just too conservative.
>
> I still think the pilot is an idiot.

He was, but what he did was a bump. Pitch up, push over hard. He pushed
hard enough to flood the carb at one point. Parachutes would have been next
to useless anyway. Not much chance of getting out of a 172 at the sort of
speeds it would have been going and the people on board would more than
likely not have been clued up enough to get out anyway.
Lots of people do this and it's not all that dangerous, though with a full
pax complement the aircraft's Loading margins are reduced significantly
(that's one reason why utility category has a higher G allowance),but why
not just get an aerobatic airplane and do it right anyway?
Aside from anything else it's more fun.


Bertie

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
> kontiki > wrote in news:oXc4j.21470$ya1.4678
> @news02.roc.ny:
>
>> Dale wrote:
>>
>>> What do parachutes have to do with it? Easy to do that without
>>> exceeding 30 degrees of pitch.
>> I thought they were required for any aerobatics... (it looked like
>> a loop to me, quality wasn't that good)... The point though, is...
>> would you take your family out and do aerobatics with them and not
>> have them wear parachutes? I wouldn't. I had to wear one just when
>> I was a jump pilot and we never exceeded 30 in pitch. Maybe I'm
>> just too conservative.
>>
>> I still think the pilot is an idiot.
>
> He was, but what he did was a bump. Pitch up, push over hard. He pushed
> hard enough to flood the carb at one point. Parachutes would have been next
> to useless anyway. Not much chance of getting out of a 172 at the sort of
> speeds it would have been going and the people on board would more than
> likely not have been clued up enough to get out anyway.
> Lots of people do this and it's not all that dangerous, though with a full
> pax complement the aircraft's Loading margins are reduced significantly
> (that's one reason why utility category has a higher G allowance),but why
> not just get an aerobatic airplane and do it right anyway?
> Aside from anything else it's more fun.
>
>
> Bertie

Best post in the thread :-))

--
Dudley Henriques

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Dudley Henriques > wrote in
:

> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>> kontiki > wrote in news:oXc4j.21470$ya1.4678
>> @news02.roc.ny:
>>
>>> Dale wrote:
>>>
>>>> What do parachutes have to do with it? Easy to do that without
>>>> exceeding 30 degrees of pitch.
>>> I thought they were required for any aerobatics... (it looked like
>>> a loop to me, quality wasn't that good)... The point though, is...
>>> would you take your family out and do aerobatics with them and not
>>> have them wear parachutes? I wouldn't. I had to wear one just when
>>> I was a jump pilot and we never exceeded 30 in pitch. Maybe I'm
>>> just too conservative.
>>>
>>> I still think the pilot is an idiot.
>>
>> He was, but what he did was a bump. Pitch up, push over hard. He
>> pushed hard enough to flood the carb at one point. Parachutes would
>> have been next to useless anyway. Not much chance of getting out of a
>> 172 at the sort of speeds it would have been going and the people on
>> board would more than likely not have been clued up enough to get out
>> anyway. Lots of people do this and it's not all that dangerous,
>> though with a full pax complement the aircraft's Loading margins are
>> reduced significantly (that's one reason why utility category has a
>> higher G allowance),but why not just get an aerobatic airplane and do
>> it right anyway? Aside from anything else it's more fun.
>>
>>
>> Bertie
>
> Best post in the thread :-))
>

Thenkew, I have my moments,,


Bertie

[Dale[_3_]]

In article >,
kontiki > wrote:

> Dale wrote:
>
> >
> > What do parachutes have to do with it? Easy to do that without
> > exceeding 30 degrees of pitch.
>
> I thought they were required for any aerobatics... (it looked like
> a loop to me, quality wasn't that good)... The point though, is...
> would you take your family out and do aerobatics with them and not
> have them wear parachutes? I wouldn't. I had to wear one just when
> I was a jump pilot and we never exceeded 30 in pitch. Maybe I'm
> just too conservative.
>
> I still think the pilot is an idiot.

All he did was a pushover to to zero/negative G.

If flying a Cessna to haul jumpers wearing the parachute is a
requirement of the STC for flight with the door open.

[Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe]

"C J Campbell" > wrote in message
news:2007112910284143658-christophercampbell@hotmailcom...
> On 2007-11-28 20:56:44 -0800, Aviv Hod
> > said:
>
>> Fellow pilots, let's be nicer to our passengers than this pilot
>> apparently is. If anyone in the plane has a bag at the ready, it's not a
>> good time to pull zero G maneuvers!!
>>
>> http://www.break.com/index/barf-bags-dont-work-at-0-gs.html
>>
>> This is pretty funny though :-)
>>
>> -Aviv
>
> Yeah. Hysterical. About as funny as watching someone get raped or beat up.
>
> This has to be just about one of the stupidest things I have ever seen.
> --
> Waddling Eagle
> World Famous Flight Instructor
>

How can you say that?
The pilot CLEARLY was competent - he had epilates with gold strips and the
hat to match.
Did you miss the discusson on how improtant it is to dress properly when
flying over on R.A.Owning?
/smartass=off

--
Geoff
The Sea Hawk at Wow Way d0t Com
remove spaces and make the obvious substitutions to reply by mail
When immigration is outlawed, only outlaws will immigrate.

[kontiki]

Dale wrote:

>
> All he did was a pushover to to zero/negative G.
>
> If flying a Cessna to haul jumpers wearing the parachute is a
> requirement of the STC for flight with the door open.

Okay, well It looked like a loop to me.... it was somewhat
blurry in my crappy computer. Anyway... other aviation
ignorant people might interpret it in a negative way. Maybe
he was just a dumbass for posting it on YouBoob. I still
think he was an idiot. I wouldn't have done that with pax.

[kontiki]

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>
> He was, but what he did was a bump. Pitch up, push over hard. He pushed
> hard enough to flood the carb at one point. Parachutes would have been next
> to useless anyway. Not much chance of getting out of a 172 at the sort of
> speeds it would have been going and the people on board would more than
> likely not have been clued up enough to get out anyway.
> Lots of people do this and it's not all that dangerous, though with a full
> pax complement the aircraft's Loading margins are reduced significantly
> (that's one reason why utility category has a higher G allowance),but why
> not just get an aerobatic airplane and do it right anyway?
> Aside from anything else it's more fun.
>


I concurr... and yes, the chance of a back pax getting out with a chute
is a crapshoot if a wing breaks off of a Cessna in flight. Some of the
best fun I've had was doing aerobatics in a Boeing Stearman.... but I
had a chute on and an easy way to get out.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

kontiki > wrote in
:

> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>>
>> He was, but what he did was a bump. Pitch up, push over hard. He
>> pushed hard enough to flood the carb at one point. Parachutes would
>> have been next to useless anyway. Not much chance of getting out of a
>> 172 at the sort of speeds it would have been going and the people on
>> board would more than likely not have been clued up enough to get out
>> anyway. Lots of people do this and it's not all that dangerous,
>> though with a full pax complement the aircraft's Loading margins are
>> reduced significantly (that's one reason why utility category has a
>> higher G allowance),but why not just get an aerobatic airplane and do
>> it right anyway? Aside from anything else it's more fun.
>>
>
>
> I concurr... and yes, the chance of a back pax getting out with a
> chute is a crapshoot if a wing breaks off of a Cessna in flight. Some
> of the best fun I've had was doing aerobatics in a Boeing Stearman....
> but I had a chute on and an easy way to get out

Xachery. It's less than a crapshoot, really, the chances are almost nil. I
read an account of a guy who had to get out of his Citabria a while back
and he had trouble even with that.




Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Dale > wrote in news:notme-88037E.10111301122007
@news.gci.net:

> In article >,
> kontiki > wrote:
>
>> Dale wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > What do parachutes have to do with it? Easy to do that without
>> > exceeding 30 degrees of pitch.
>>
>> I thought they were required for any aerobatics... (it looked like
>> a loop to me, quality wasn't that good)... The point though, is...
>> would you take your family out and do aerobatics with them and not
>> have them wear parachutes? I wouldn't. I had to wear one just when
>> I was a jump pilot and we never exceeded 30 in pitch. Maybe I'm
>> just too conservative.
>>
>> I still think the pilot is an idiot.
>
> All he did was a pushover to to zero/negative G.
>
> If flying a Cessna to haul jumpers wearing the parachute is a
> requirement of the STC for flight with the door open.
>


Yeah, but the door opens in a completely diffeent way, for one thing.



Bertie