Towing with a VW

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Hello,

What are peoples opinions regarding towing a Russia AC4C with an
aluminum skinned trailer with a VW diesel beetle? The diesel engine
has plenty of torque. I have have towed my boat which is 1200 lbs
with the trailer and I have not had any problems. I would be towing
quite far on the highways.

Thanks

[GK[_1_]]

On Dec 1, 5:33 pm, wrote:
> Hello,
>
> What are peoples opinions regarding towing a Russia AC4C with an
> aluminum skinned trailer with a VW diesel beetle? The diesel engine
> has plenty of torque. I have have towed my boat which is 1200 lbs
> with the trailer and I have not had any problems. I would be towing
> quite far on the highways.
>
> Thanks

- I towed an ASW19 with Seat Toledo 1.9TDi - same engine, heavier
car; with speeds up to 140KMH/85 MPH with absolutely no problems. Fuel
consumption goes up significantly, that's all.

Cheers

GK
N19JE

[Bill[_11_]]

"GK" > wrote

>> What are peoples opinions regarding towing a Russia AC4C with an
>> aluminum skinned trailer with a VW diesel beetle?

I know of someone who tows a LAK-12 with a 80's vintage diesel Rabbit
(Golf).

Bill





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[rlovinggood]

On Dec 1, 6:33 pm, wrote:
> Hello,
>
> What are peoples opinions regarding towing a Russia AC4C with an
> aluminum skinned trailer with a VW diesel beetle? The diesel engine
> has plenty of torque. I have have towed my boat which is 1200 lbs
> with the trailer and I have not had any problems. I would be towing
> quite far on the highways.
>
> Thanks

Hello gn,

I don't know about the New Beetle (my first car was a 1963 Beetle),
but I'll let you know an opinion.

I've found out the expensive way that no matter if the car has ample
towing power, it doesn't help if there's not enough steel in the rear
to attach the hitch to. What is the Beetle rated to tow? You say
you've towed your 1,200 lb boat/trailer. Do you know how much your
Russia and trailer weighs? I know how much my trailer/glider combo
weighs because I took it to a truck scale and weighed it. That
service cost only US $8.00. Turned out to be A LOT heavier than I
anticipated. How about 2,040 lbs? I was first guessing 1,200 lbs.
Then, maybe 1,700 lbs. But the scales showed 2,040 lbs! Holy Beer
Belly!

So, my suggestion:
1. Weigh your rig
2. Consult your car's info on towing capacity
3. Look at the hitch and how it attaches to the car. Does it attach
to some "substantial" steel? (That's hard to come by on some cars
these days...)
4. If it is automatic transmission, consider installing a
transmission oil cooler. If VW doesn't offer one, try going to a
local transmission shop and see if they can find something that will
work.
5. If the Beetle doesn't look like it's gonna work, then you might
have to do as I just did a couple of weeks ago: Buy a replacement
vehicle. I just got a Subaru Forester to replace the Honda Accord.
It's only a four cylinder of 165 h.p. vs. the 200 h.p. in the V6
Accord. But Subaru rates it to tow 2,400 lbs while the Honda is rated
to tow only 1,000 lbs. And there's really not a good way to attach a
hitch on the Accord to handle the 180 lbs of tongue weight and 2,040
lbs of trailer. The Honda is for sale...

[[email protected]]

On Dec 1, 8:04 pm, rlovinggood > wrote:
> On Dec 1, 6:33 pm, wrote:
>
> > Hello,
>
> > What are peoples opinions regarding towing a Russia AC4C with an
> > aluminum skinned trailer with a VW diesel beetle? The diesel engine
> > has plenty of torque. I have have towed my boat which is 1200 lbs
> > with the trailer and I have not had any problems. I would be towing
> > quite far on the highways.
>
> > Thanks
>
> Hello gn,
>
> I don't know about the New Beetle (my first car was a 1963 Beetle),
> but I'll let you know an opinion.
>
> I've found out the expensive way that no matter if the car has ample
> towing power, it doesn't help if there's not enough steel in the rear
> to attach the hitch to. What is the Beetle rated to tow? You say
> you've towed your 1,200 lb boat/trailer. Do you know how much your
> Russia and trailer weighs? I know how much my trailer/glider combo
> weighs because I took it to a truck scale and weighed it. That
> service cost only US $8.00. Turned out to be A LOT heavier than I
> anticipated. How about 2,040 lbs? I was first guessing 1,200 lbs.
> Then, maybe 1,700 lbs. But the scales showed 2,040 lbs! Holy Beer
> Belly!
>
> So, my suggestion:
> 1. Weigh your rig
> 2. Consult your car's info on towing capacity
> 3. Look at the hitch and how it attaches to the car. Does it attach
> to some "substantial" steel? (That's hard to come by on some cars
> these days...)
> 4. If it is automatic transmission, consider installing a
> transmission oil cooler. If VW doesn't offer one, try going to a
> local transmission shop and see if they can find something that will
> work.
> 5. If the Beetle doesn't look like it's gonna work, then you might
> have to do as I just did a couple of weeks ago: Buy a replacement
> vehicle. I just got a Subaru Forester to replace the Honda Accord.
> It's only a four cylinder of 165 h.p. vs. the 200 h.p. in the V6
> Accord. But Subaru rates it to tow 2,400 lbs while the Honda is rated
> to tow only 1,000 lbs. And there's really not a good way to attach a
> hitch on the Accord to handle the 180 lbs of tongue weight and 2,040
> lbs of trailer. The Honda is for sale...

Well, I know that the trailer built by the guy in Montana had No
problems from there to Calif with a 40 mph crosswind in Nevada and an
Explorer. The original trailer was very well balenced and towed very
well. Stable and no problem in crosswinds at all. VW might be case of
tail wagging dog though. YMMV

larry

[Dan G]

Try a search. There's been a few hundred posts on this issue this
year, with some good info contained within.


Dan

[Dan[_4_]]

I tow a 1,300 lb (590 lbs Austria, 610 lbs tube) trailer with a 2006
Jetta TDI. Due to the chord of the wing - 48" - the trailer has a
53"diameter, so a lot of frontal load. Tow capacity is 2,000 lbs,
they recommend trailer brakes for over 1,000 lbs (my trailer has
hydraulic surge brakes). I have no problems towing or stopping
(braking is as important as the torque for getting going. I have a 5
speed manual transmission; I've read on the TDI club (http://
www.tdiclub.com/) that the automatic transmission might be a problem,
for the Jetta anyway. There is a TDI Beetle forum on the site
previously mentioned, where I'm betting there is a lot of info on
hitches, towing generally... there sure was for the Jetta TDI on
there. I bought a hitch and electrics for towing based on the
recommendations there.

Dan

[Dan[_4_]]

On Dec 2, 12:11 pm, Dan > wrote:
> I tow a 1,300 lb (590 lbs Austria, 610 lbs tube) trailer with a 2006
> Jetta TDI. Due to the chord of the wing - 48" - the trailer has a
> 53"diameter, so a lot of frontal load. Tow capacity is 2,000 lbs,
> they recommend trailer brakes for over 1,000 lbs (my trailer has
> hydraulic surge brakes). I have no problems towing or stopping
> (braking is as important as the torque for getting going. I have a 5
> speed manual transmission; I've read on the TDI club (http://www.tdiclub.com/) that the automatic transmission might be a problem,
> for the Jetta anyway. There is a TDI Beetle forum on the site
> previously mentioned, where I'm betting there is a lot of info on
> hitches, towing generally... there sure was for the Jetta TDI on
> there. I bought a hitch and electrics for towing based on the
> recommendations there.
>
> Dan

And the other 100 lbs is wing stands, cleaning stuff, etc...

[[email protected]]

On Dec 2, 12:12 pm, Dan > wrote:
> On Dec 2, 12:11 pm, Dan > wrote:
>
> > I tow a 1,300 lb (590 lbs Austria, 610 lbs tube) trailer with a 2006
> > Jetta TDI. Due to the chord of the wing - 48" - the trailer has a
> > 53"diameter, so a lot of frontal load. Tow capacity is 2,000 lbs,
> > they recommend trailer brakes for over 1,000 lbs (my trailer has
> > hydraulic surge brakes). I have no problems towing or stopping
> > (braking is as important as the torque for getting going. I have a 5
> > speed manual transmission; I've read on the TDI club (http://www.tdiclub.com/) that the automatic transmission might be a problem,
> > for the Jetta anyway. There is a TDI Beetle forum on the site
> > previously mentioned, where I'm betting there is a lot of info on
> > hitches, towing generally... there sure was for the Jetta TDI on
> > there. I bought a hitch and electrics for towing based on the
> > recommendations there.
>
> > Dan
>
> And the other 100 lbs is wing stands, cleaning stuff, etc...

Hmmm a thread about the optimal tow vehicle and only 8 replies over a
few days? this should be up to at least 50 or 100 by now

[Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe]

> wrote in message
...
<...>
>
> Hmmm a thread about the optimal tow vehicle and only 8 replies over a
> few days? this should be up to at least 50 or 100 by now

Would it help if I claim that you need one of these to tow with?

<http://69.20.127.42/StaticFiles/internationalTrucks/Documents/Truck%20Detail/INT_103_RXT_SellSheet_Back_v5.pdf>

It does have a diesel like the OP wanted...

:-)

Just kidding. Really.

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[Papa3]

On Dec 4, 5:50 pm, "Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe" <The Sea Hawk at wow way
d0t com> wrote:
> > wrote in message
>
> ...
> <...>
>
>
>
> > Hmmm a thread about the optimal tow vehicle and only 8 replies over a
> > few days? this should be up to at least 50 or 100 by now
>
> Would it help if I claim that you need one of these to tow with?
>
> <http://69.20.127.42/StaticFiles/internationalTrucks/Documents/Truck%2...>
>
> It does have a diesel like the OP wanted...
>
> :-)
>
> Just kidding. Really.
>
> --
> Geoff
> The Sea Hawk at Wow Way d0t Com
> remove spaces and make the obvious substitutions to reply by mail
> When immigration is outlawed, only outlaws will immigrate.

Dunno, at a curb weight of 10,500 lbs and "only" 230 hp and 540 ft lbs
of torque, it looks positively wimpy in comparison to the BMW 335D at
3800 lbs with 282hp and 428 ft lbs of torque. And yes... :-)

[rlovinggood]

One word:

Unimog.

[Papa3]

On Dec 4, 9:00 pm, rlovinggood > wrote:
> One word:
>
> Unimog.

Now we're talkin!

[Jose Jimenez]

Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe wrote:

> Would it help if I claim that you need one of these to tow with?
>
> <http://69.20.127.42/StaticFiles/internationalTrucks/Documents/Truck%20Detail/INT_103_RXT_SellSheet_Back_v5.pdf>

Ok, I'll bite.

http://www.wlm-modellbau.de/kurioses/flugzeugtransport.gif

[rlovinggood]

On Dec 6, 5:26 pm, José Jiménez <nospam@please> wrote:
> Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe wrote:
> > Would it help if I claim that you need one of these to tow with?
>
> > <http://69.20.127.42/StaticFiles/internationalTrucks/Documents/Truck%2....>
>
> Ok, I'll bite.
>
> http://www.wlm-modellbau.de/kurioses/flugzeugtransport.gif

Oh,that's top notch! But shouldn't it be a bike-for-two? When the
"crew" comes to pluck the pilot from some field, looks like somebody's
got to walk back!

Ray

[Paul B]

It is good to see that not everybody is fooled by Al Gore :)

Paul

Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe wrote:
> > wrote in message
> ...
> <...>
>> Hmmm a thread about the optimal tow vehicle and only 8 replies over a
>> few days? this should be up to at least 50 or 100 by now
>
> Would it help if I claim that you need one of these to tow with?
>
> <http://69.20.127.42/StaticFiles/internationalTrucks/Documents/Truck%20Detail/INT_103_RXT_SellSheet_Back_v5.pdf>
>
> It does have a diesel like the OP wanted...
>
> :-)
>
> Just kidding. Really.
>
> --
> Geoff
> The Sea Hawk at Wow Way d0t Com
> remove spaces and make the obvious substitutions to reply by mail
> When immigration is outlawed, only outlaws will immigrate.
>
>