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Jay Honeck
December 6th 07, 03:21 PM
That was the NOTAM for all of our local airports yesterday. With the
winds gusting to 20 knots, at a 60 degree crosswind, the thought of
landing on ice-covered runways sounded like...fun!

But then, we live in the Upper Midwest, so we're a bit odd that way...

;-)

Off to the airport we went -- only to find that our recent ice storm
(and subsequent snow plowing) had created an ice dam 6" thick by four
feet wide, the full length of our hangar door. There was NO movement
at all, and my snow shovel just caromed off when I hit the ice -- the
door might as well have been welded shut.

Defeated, we ended up doing other, more expensive things (like Xmas
shopping, for one) throughout the day, but returned to the airport to
try to download my engine data into my new laptop. (Alas, Vista
doesn't get along with my old serial-to-USB adaptor, so no joy getting
the JPI to talk to my PCs.) As usual, we stopped by our A&Ps hangar
to shoot the breeze, and I mentioned the problem with our hangar door.

Our A&P is a man of many decades experience, and a master
homebuilder. I wasn't surprised when he produced his own specially-
made "ice chopper" -- a 5' tall, 3" thick iron bar sharpened to a
point. He showed me the proper angle of attack to use, and told me to
return it when I could.

Back at our hangar, I went at it. The bar weighs over 20 pounds, so
it comes down with enough force to make you worry about the underlying
pavement. Within a few seconds I was breaking out huge pieces of 6"
thick ice, being extremely careful not to spear a toe with an errant
blow.

20 pounds doesn't sound like much, but lift it and drop it a few
hundred times, and you won't need to hit the gym. Once busted out,
the ice bergs then had to be shoveled to either side -- so the whole
process took close to an hour. Meanwhile, Mary wisely left to pick up
our daughter from school.

When Mary returned, she found an open hangar door and one exhausted
husband. However, it was pushing sunset, and the winds had died down
considerably -- so we leapt at the chance for some "fun on the ice"
before it got dark.

Taxiing on ice is always interesting. A tricycle is unstable to begin
with, but even more so on ice -- so nothing is done without advance
planning. We trundled out to Rwy 30, squinting into the sun that was
reflecting off Iowa City's brand, new ramp -- which now looked for all
the world like an Olympic-class skating rink.

We found a dry spot to do our run-up, and then trundled onto the
runway for departure. The left side of the runway had been plowed
before everything froze up, so we restricted our takeoff roll to that
side, and had no difficulties.

Climbing out in the cold air, lightly loaded, is always a joy. We
took off behind a C-150 with two on board and, despite giving him a 45
second head-start, we quickly overtook them in the climb. Compared
to summer, December flying is like riding a rocket ship!

Working to keep my turns crisp and 90 degrees, I rolled out on final
approach, careful to assess the crosswind. The only real danger of
landing on ice is that recovery from any side stress is doubtful, so
proper crosswind technique is a must. Both Mary and I have botched
this in the past, and were most grateful for the VERY wide runways in
Iowa City...

On short final I noticed an interesting phenomenon: All the painted
parts of the runway were solidly iced-over, while the unpainted parts
were mostly dry. Considering that Iowa City's runways are concrete,
not asphalt, I found this surprising -- you wouldn't think the slight
difference in color between the two would matter so much -- but I was
happy that the bright sun had sublimated some of the ice.

Giving up on my color analysis in the flare, I gratefully settled onto
a mostly-dry piece of pavement, with no side stress and a satisfying
ooze of the oleo gear. Nothing like a greaser to make a day
complete!

Smoothly applying power, careful to counter the torque and P factor
whilst still in contact with the ice, we smoothly arced back into the
sky. Is there any greater feeling than when the wheels break contact,
and you are suddenly released from all those earthbound limitations?

One more landing and then I pulled onto the ramp to trade places. One
advantage of having a small wife, is that we have learned how to
switch pilots without opening the door -- very handy when it's cold
out! Just lock the hand brake, slide the seats all the way back, I
slide under while she slides over. The headphones can be a mess (and
don't forget to put the Johnson bar flap handle down, or you're in for
a surprise!), but it sure saves time.

Two more circuits of the field, and we were carefully taxiing back to
our hangar. Pushing Atlas in over the remnants of our ice dam was a
real chore -- but is there any better way to view a winter sunset?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

karl mcgruber
December 6th 07, 06:31 PM
"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
...
> Working to keep my turns crisp and 90 degrees, I rolled out on final
> approach, careful to assess the crosswind. > Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>
None of the turns in the pattern should be 90 degrees with a crosswind,
unless, of course (as I'm sure you meant!) tracking 90 degrees.

Stan Prevost[_1_]
December 7th 07, 05:46 AM
"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
...
>
> (Alas, Vista
> doesn't get along with my old serial-to-USB adaptor, so no joy getting
> the JPI to talk to my PCs.)

Jay, I had a similar trouble, but mine was resolved by running the download
program in administrator mode. In my case, it turned out to not be the
adaptor software.

Stan

Stella Starr
December 7th 07, 06:18 AM
Jay Honeck wrote:
> That was the NOTAM for all of our local airports yesterday...

is there any better way to view a winter sunset?

None. You're right about the cold air being lifty -- it's wonderful, as
long as you have good cabin heat. I almost froze to death doing a
cross-country in Minnesota in a C-150.

But just about exactly 8 years ago I was taking off one winter eve to do
my very first cross-country with the instructor, not really aware yet
that most of it would be night flying. What a great experience. We
were going to head to Princeton, a small airport that (just for added
educational benefit) housed the local FSS. Crystal clear, smooth, easy
navigating with a big city and well-lit landmarks to come home to.

Right after takeoff we turned crosswind and found ourselves staring into
the face of a big orange full moon, just risen.
Poor instructor was startled by the yelling, but since it wasn't
screaming he adapted quickly and agreed it was quite a sight.

Jay Honeck
December 7th 07, 12:45 PM
> Poor instructor was startled by the yelling, but since it wasn't
> screaming he adapted quickly and agreed it was quite a sight.

Yep, we few humans who have had the fortune of witnessing a moonrise
from altitude are, indeed, truly blessed.

In the summer I've seen the moon when it looked like a giant orange
orb, so big that you could reach out and grab a handfull of moon
dust. And in the winter I've seen it crisp and clean, with its more
sharply-defined features looking cold and brittle in the sub-zero
air.

It's one of the things I truly miss about night flying.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

December 7th 07, 02:19 PM
On Dec 7, 6:45 am, Jay Honeck > wrote:
> > Poor instructor was startled by the yelling, but since it wasn't
> > screaming he adapted quickly and agreed it was quite a sight.
>
> Yep, we few humans who have had the fortune of witnessing a moonrise
> from altitude are, indeed, truly blessed.
>
> In the summer I've seen the moon when it looked like a giant orange
> orb, so big that you could reach out and grab a handfull of moon
> dust. And in the winter I've seen it crisp and clean, with its more
> sharply-defined features looking cold and brittle in the sub-zero
> air.
>
> It's one of the things I truly miss about night flying.
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"

Yah....took off one winter evening (full dark) from LaGuardia headed
north into crystal clear black skies and was greeted by the sight of
the moon reflecting off the lake to the east.

The fresh snow on Chicago lit up by the orange sodium lamps was a nice
touch too.

For once I was happy to have routed through LGA.

Richard

Ron Wanttaja
December 7th 07, 03:35 PM
On Fri, 7 Dec 2007 04:45:44 -0800 (PST), Jay Honeck > wrote:

> > Poor instructor was startled by the yelling, but since it wasn't
> > screaming he adapted quickly and agreed it was quite a sight.
>
> Yep, we few humans who have had the fortune of witnessing a moonrise
> from altitude are, indeed, truly blessed.

The only time I've flown my Fly Baby at not was not only to watch a moonrise,
but to watch it during eclipse.

http://www.bowersflybaby.com/stories/Night.htm

Ron Wanttaja

Roy Smith
December 7th 07, 03:39 PM
In article
>,
wrote:

> Yah....took off one winter evening (full dark) from LaGuardia headed
> north into crystal clear black skies and was greeted by the sight of
> the moon reflecting off the lake to the east.

Lake? If you took off from LGA heading north, you were flying over the
East River.

Mike Adams[_2_]
December 7th 07, 03:49 PM
Jay Honeck > wrote:

> It's one of the things I truly miss about night flying.

Hi Jay. Are you no longer flying at night? If not, why not?

Mike

Bob Noel
December 7th 07, 03:55 PM
In article >,
Jay Honeck > wrote:

> > Poor instructor was startled by the yelling, but since it wasn't
> > screaming he adapted quickly and agreed it was quite a sight.
>
> Yep, we few humans who have had the fortune of witnessing a moonrise
> from altitude are, indeed, truly blessed.

A moonrise over the ocean is real pretty.

--
Bob Noel
(goodness, please trim replies!!!)

Maxwell
December 7th 07, 04:09 PM
"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
...
>> Poor instructor was startled by the yelling, but since it wasn't
>> screaming he adapted quickly and agreed it was quite a sight.
>
> Yep, we few humans who have had the fortune of witnessing a moonrise
> from altitude are, indeed, truly blessed.
>
> In the summer I've seen the moon when it looked like a giant orange
> orb, so big that you could reach out and grab a handfull of moon
> dust. And in the winter I've seen it crisp and clean, with its more
> sharply-defined features looking cold and brittle in the sub-zero
> air.
>
> It's one of the things I truly miss about night flying.

If any of these experiences are also marked with any increased growth in
facial hair, I wouldn't mention it on my next medical.

Angelo Campanella[_2_]
December 7th 07, 04:39 PM
Bob Noel wrote:
> A moonrise over the ocean is real pretty.

It's hard these days to know when there is a full moon... One mnemonic
is that in the days preceeding Easter (e.g. after Palm Sunday), the moon
is full, since that is how it is defined by the Church. Someone else
here might know the exact defininition.

Angelo Campanella

Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]
December 7th 07, 05:10 PM
Angelo Campanella > wrote in
:

> Bob Noel wrote:
>> A moonrise over the ocean is real pretty.
>
> It's hard these days to know when there is a full moon... One
> mnemonic
> is that in the days preceeding Easter (e.g. after Palm Sunday), the
> moon is full, since that is how it is defined by the Church. Someone
> else here might know the exact defininition.
>

It's when it's fully illuminated, of course!

When the earth, sun and moon are aligned with the moon on the opposite side
of the earth to the sun. Depends on defintion, so technical, it;s only
momentary, but for pratical purposes it lasts several days.
The occur roughly every 29 and a half days, so find a recent one on your
calender and calculate from there.

The church has **** all to do with defining a full moon. Easter is the
first sunday after the first full moon after the vernal equinox,(Northern
hemisphere of course before some asshole lawyer stats in) but that won't
tell you when the full moon occured.The church ignores actaul astronomical
data and are working off a supposed full moon based on calculations done
centuries ago.
Close enough to look at it, but you wouldn't want to try and navigate off
it using what the church says.
..





Bertie

Bob Noel
December 7th 07, 05:46 PM
In article >,
Angelo Campanella > wrote:

> Bob Noel wrote:
> > A moonrise over the ocean is real pretty.
>
> It's hard these days to know when there is a full moon... One mnemonic
> is that in the days preceeding Easter (e.g. after Palm Sunday), the moon
> is full, since that is how it is defined by the Church. Someone else
> here might know the exact defininition.
>
> Angelo Campanella

http://aa.usno.navy.mil/data/

http://aa.usno.navy.mil/data/docs/MoonPhase.php

--
Bob Noel
(goodness, please trim replies!!!)

Ross
December 7th 07, 05:46 PM
Jay Honeck wrote:
>>Poor instructor was startled by the yelling, but since it wasn't
>>screaming he adapted quickly and agreed it was quite a sight.
>
>
> Yep, we few humans who have had the fortune of witnessing a moonrise
> from altitude are, indeed, truly blessed.
>
> In the summer I've seen the moon when it looked like a giant orange
> orb, so big that you could reach out and grab a handfull of moon
> dust. And in the winter I've seen it crisp and clean, with its more
> sharply-defined features looking cold and brittle in the sub-zero
> air.
>
> It's one of the things I truly miss about night flying.
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"

I have had a several cold night time flight experiences. I'll comment on
one - very cold here in North Texas years ago and clear from ocean to
ocean (well at least where I was flying). I was flying about 50 miles
north of Dallas and you could see this orange blanket (street lights,
etc) on the horizon. Then there were these "string of pearls" coming out
of the sky going into the blanket of lights. It was the DFW traffic
landing to the north. Two parallel rows of landing lights of about 6
aircraft in each path. OK and the other one while I have the bandwidth
is a "city tour" over downtown Dallas from about 1700 AGL. What a sight.
ATC let me circle downtown.

--

Regards, Ross
C-172F 180HP
KSWI

Jay Honeck
December 8th 07, 03:06 AM
> > It's one of the things I truly miss about night flying.
>
> Hi Jay. Are you no longer flying at night? If not, why not?

Oh, we'll fly at night if necessary, but it's a risk we chose long ago
to avoid if at all possible. I've only flown an hour or two at night
in the last five years.

The "aim for a dark spot" forced landing method isn't a good one to
contemplate when you've got kids counting on you. Once they're on
their own, we'll go back to night flying.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Jack Allison
December 8th 07, 03:56 AM
Jay Honeck wrote:
>
> In the summer I've seen the moon when it looked like a giant orange
> orb, so big that you could reach out and grab a handfull of moon
> dust. And in the winter I've seen it crisp and clean, with its more
> sharply-defined features looking cold and brittle in the sub-zero
> air.
>
> It's one of the things I truly miss about night flying.

Got to experience some of this a week ago on a short night from
Vacaville to home. Took off and after leveling at 3500 ft, noticed the
full moon rising over the Sierra Nevada mountains. Very cool.


--
Jack Allison
PP-ASEL-Instrument Airplane

"To become a Jedi knight, you must master a single force. To become
a private pilot you must strive to master four of them"
- Rod Machado

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Mike Adams[_2_]
December 8th 07, 03:09 PM
Jay Honeck > wrote:

> Oh, we'll fly at night if necessary, but it's a risk we chose long ago
> to avoid if at all possible.

Yea, I know what you mean. It's very nice, with the smooth air and city lights, but it is a concern,
especially in areas of rough terrain like we have out West.

Mike

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