Cessna 350 / Cessna 400

[C J Campbell[_1_]]

Cessna is now selling the Columbia 350 and 400 as the Cessna 350 and
400. If you want to order one, talk to me. :-)

Seriously, 350 and 400? Might be a little confusing for the owners of
certain twins.
--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

C J Campbell > wrote in
news:2007121418370516807-christophercampbell@hotmailcom:

> Cessna is now selling the Columbia 350 and 400 as the Cessna 350 and
> 400. If you want to order one, talk to me. :-)
>
> Seriously, 350 and 400? Might be a little confusing for the owners of
> certain twins.

Precedent set.

305, for instance.



They really ought not to name them Cessnas, though. It always seems
slightly dishonest and/or makes the airplane sound like it's being
fostered, which, I suppose, it is..


Bertie

[nobody[_2_]]

"C J Campbell" > wrote in message
news:2007121418370516807-christophercampbell@hotmailcom...
> Cessna is now selling the Columbia 350 and 400 as the Cessna 350 and 400.
> If you want to order one, talk to me. :-)
>
> Seriously, 350 and 400? Might be a little confusing for the owners of
> certain twins.

Or when an IA looks up ADs for a Cessna 400 and finds a Spar AD for the
'Cessna 400 series'

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

"nobody" > wrote in
:

> "C J Campbell" > wrote in message
> news:2007121418370516807-christophercampbell@hotmailcom...
>> Cessna is now selling the Columbia 350 and 400 as the Cessna 350 and
>> 400. If you want to order one, talk to me. :-)
>>
>> Seriously, 350 and 400? Might be a little confusing for the owners of
>> certain twins.
>
> Or when an IA looks up ADs for a Cessna 400 and finds a Spar AD for
> the 'Cessna 400 series'
>
>
>

Is that the way the AD is written? Not specific to type? The 400s were very
varied machines and I doubt the spars were common to all of them..

Anyhow, there's already an anomoly with the Cessna 305, for one.



Bertie

[nobody[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
.. .
> "nobody" > wrote in
> :
>
>> "C J Campbell" > wrote in message
>> news:2007121418370516807-christophercampbell@hotmailcom...
>>> Cessna is now selling the Columbia 350 and 400 as the Cessna 350 and
>>> 400. If you want to order one, talk to me. :-)
>>>
>>> Seriously, 350 and 400? Might be a little confusing for the owners of
>>> certain twins.
>>
>> Or when an IA looks up ADs for a Cessna 400 and finds a Spar AD for
>> the 'Cessna 400 series'
>>
>>
>>
>
> Is that the way the AD is written? Not specific to type? The 400s were
> very
> varied machines and I doubt the spars were common to all of them..

I'm sure the details get into specific serial numbers, but looking at the
summary of this AD:

Docket No. 96-CE-46-AD; Amendment 39-9884; AD 97-01-13

Airworthiness Directives; Cessna 100, 200, 300, and 400 Series Airplanes

Preamble Information

AGENCY: Federal Aviation Administration, DOT

ACTION: Final rule; request for comments

SUMMARY: This amendment adopts a new airworthiness directive (AD) that
applies to Cessna Aircraft

Company (Cessna) 100, 200, 300, and 400 series airplanes.

[Roy Smith]

In article >,
Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:

> Is that the way the AD is written? Not specific to type? The 400s were very
> varied machines and I doubt the spars were common to all of them..

Of course it's specific to type. The summary talks about "Cessna Aircraft
Company (Cessna) 100, 200, 300, and 400 series airplanes", but when you
read further down, you get to:

Applicability: All serial numbers of Models 150, 150A, 150B, 150C, 150D,
150E, 150F, 150G, 150H, 150J, 150K, 150L, 150M, A150K, A150L, A150M, F150F,
F150G, F150H, F150J, F150K, F150L, F150M, FA150K, FA150L, FRA150L, FRA150M,
152, A152, F152, FA152, 172, 172A, 172B, 172C, 172D, 172E, 172F, 172G,
172H, 172I, 172K, 172L, 172M, 172N, 172P, 172Q, 172RG, FP172, F172D, F172E,
F172F, F172G, F172H, F172K, F172L, F172M, F172N, F172P, FR172E, FR172F,
FR172G, FR172H, FR172J, FR172K, P172D, R172E(T41), R172F(T41), R172G(T41),
R172H(T41), R172J, R172K, 175, 175A, 175B, 175C, 177, 177A, 177B, 177RG,
F177RG, 180, 180A, 180B, 180C, 180D, 180E, 180F, 180G, 180H, 180J, 180K,
182, 182A, 182B, 182C, 182D, 182E, 182F, 182G, 182H, 182J, 182K, 182L,
182M, 182N, 182P, 182Q, 182R, F182P, F182Q, FR182, T182, R182, TR182, 185,
185A, 185B, 185C, 185D, 185E, A185E, A185F, 188, 188A, 188B, A188, A188A,
A188B, T188C, 206, P206A, P206B, P206C, P206D, P206E, TU206A, TU206B,
TU206C, TU206D, TU206E, TU206F, TU206G, TP206, TP206A, TP206B, TP206C,
TP206D, TP206E, U206, U206A, U206B, U206C, U206D, U206E, U206F, U206G, 207,
207A, T207, T207A, 208, 208B, 210, 210A, 210B, 210C, 210D, 210E, 210F,
210G, 210H, 210J, 210K, 210L, 210M, 210N, 210R, T210F, P210N, P210R, 210-5
(205), 210-5A (205A), T303, 310P, 310Q, 310R, T310P, 310Q, 310R, 335, 336,
337, 337A, 337B, 337C, 337D, 337E, 337F, 337G, 337H, F337E, F337F, F337G,
F337H, FT337E, FT337F, FT337GP, FT337HP, FTB337, T337B, T337C, T337D,
T337E, T337F, T337G, T337H, T337H-SP, M337B, P337H, 340, 340A, 401, 401A,
401B, 402, 402A, 402B, 402C, 404, F406, 411, 411A, 414, 414A, 421, 421A,
421B, 421C, and 425 airplanes, certificated in any category.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

"nobody" > wrote in
:

> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> .. .
>> "nobody" > wrote in
>> :
>>
>>> "C J Campbell" > wrote in message
>>> news:2007121418370516807-christophercampbell@hotmailcom...
>>>> Cessna is now selling the Columbia 350 and 400 as the Cessna 350
>>>> and 400. If you want to order one, talk to me. :-)
>>>>
>>>> Seriously, 350 and 400? Might be a little confusing for the owners
>>>> of certain twins.
>>>
>>> Or when an IA looks up ADs for a Cessna 400 and finds a Spar AD for
>>> the 'Cessna 400 series'
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Is that the way the AD is written? Not specific to type? The 400s
>> were very
>> varied machines and I doubt the spars were common to all of them..
>
> I'm sure the details get into specific serial numbers, but looking at
> the summary of this AD:
>
> Docket No. 96-CE-46-AD; Amendment 39-9884; AD 97-01-13
>
> Airworthiness Directives; Cessna 100, 200, 300, and 400 Series
> Airplanes
>
> Preamble Information
>
> AGENCY: Federal Aviation Administration, DOT
>
> ACTION: Final rule; request for comments
>
> SUMMARY: This amendment adopts a new airworthiness directive (AD) that
> applies to Cessna Aircraft
>
> Company (Cessna) 100, 200, 300, and 400 series airplanes.
>
>
>
>
Mm, yeah, could get messy if you have an idiot AI doing your annual.
"Sorry, but the AD has to be done", But Billy Joe Bob, the 400 isn;t
really a Cessna and doesn;t even have a metal spar!"
"Don';t matter, sez here it;s gotta be done, so it;'s gotta be done"

A friend of mine had this sort of encounter with some tit of an AI who
looked at his wood spars and condemnde them because he found logitudinal
splits. If he'd bothered to look at the converging grain, he would have
seen that it was a lminated spar and he was looking at the glue line....


Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Roy Smith > wrote in
:

> In article >,
> Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>
>> Is that the way the AD is written? Not specific to type? The 400s
>> were very varied machines and I doubt the spars were common to all of
>> them..
>
> Of course it's specific to type. The summary talks about "Cessna
> Aircraft Company (Cessna) 100, 200, 300, and 400 series airplanes",
> but when you read further down, you get to:
>
> Applicability: All serial numbers of Models 150, 150A, 150B, 150C,
> 150D, 150E, 150F, 150G, 150H, 150J, 150K, 150L, 150M, A150K, A150L,
> A150M, F150F, F150G, F150H, F150J, F150K, F150L, F150M, FA150K,
> FA150L, FRA150L, FRA150M, 152, A152, F152, FA152, 172, 172A, 172B,
> 172C, 172D, 172E, 172F, 172G, 172H, 172I, 172K, 172L, 172M, 172N,
> 172P, 172Q, 172RG, FP172, F172D, F172E, F172F, F172G, F172H, F172K,
> F172L, F172M, F172N, F172P, FR172E, FR172F, FR172G, FR172H, FR172J,
> FR172K, P172D, R172E(T41), R172F(T41), R172G(T41), R172H(T41), R172J,
> R172K, 175, 175A, 175B, 175C, 177, 177A, 177B, 177RG, F177RG, 180,
> 180A, 180B, 180C, 180D, 180E, 180F, 180G, 180H, 180J, 180K, 182, 182A,
> 182B, 182C, 182D, 182E, 182F, 182G, 182H, 182J, 182K, 182L, 182M,
> 182N, 182P, 182Q, 182R, F182P, F182Q, FR182, T182, R182, TR182, 185,
> 185A, 185B, 185C, 185D, 185E, A185E, A185F, 188, 188A, 188B, A188,
> A188A, A188B, T188C, 206, P206A, P206B, P206C, P206D, P206E, TU206A,
> TU206B, TU206C, TU206D, TU206E, TU206F, TU206G, TP206, TP206A, TP206B,
> TP206C, TP206D, TP206E, U206, U206A, U206B, U206C, U206D, U206E,
> U206F, U206G, 207, 207A, T207, T207A, 208, 208B, 210, 210A, 210B,
> 210C, 210D, 210E, 210F, 210G, 210H, 210J, 210K, 210L, 210M, 210N,
> 210R, T210F, P210N, P210R, 210-5 (205), 210-5A (205A), T303, 310P,
> 310Q, 310R, T310P, 310Q, 310R, 335, 336, 337, 337A, 337B, 337C, 337D,
> 337E, 337F, 337G, 337H, F337E, F337F, F337G, F337H, FT337E, FT337F,
> FT337GP, FT337HP, FTB337, T337B, T337C, T337D, T337E, T337F, T337G,
> T337H, T337H-SP, M337B, P337H, 340, 340A, 401, 401A, 401B, 402, 402A,
> 402B, 402C, 404, F406, 411, 411A, 414, 414A, 421, 421A, 421B, 421C,
> and 425 airplanes, certificated in any category.
>


Hey, they left out the one he made in 1911!

but seriously, what the hell is that AD for? It;'s a pretty broad AD..


Bertie

[Darkwing]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
.. .
> Roy Smith > wrote in
> :
>
>> In article >,
>> Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>>
>>> Is that the way the AD is written? Not specific to type? The 400s
>>> were very varied machines and I doubt the spars were common to all of
>>> them..
>>
>> Of course it's specific to type. The summary talks about "Cessna
>> Aircraft Company (Cessna) 100, 200, 300, and 400 series airplanes",
>> but when you read further down, you get to:
>>
>> Applicability: All serial numbers of Models 150, 150A, 150B, 150C,
>> 150D, 150E, 150F, 150G, 150H, 150J, 150K, 150L, 150M, A150K, A150L,
>> A150M, F150F, F150G, F150H, F150J, F150K, F150L, F150M, FA150K,
>> FA150L, FRA150L, FRA150M, 152, A152, F152, FA152, 172, 172A, 172B,
>> 172C, 172D, 172E, 172F, 172G, 172H, 172I, 172K, 172L, 172M, 172N,
>> 172P, 172Q, 172RG, FP172, F172D, F172E, F172F, F172G, F172H, F172K,
>> F172L, F172M, F172N, F172P, FR172E, FR172F, FR172G, FR172H, FR172J,
>> FR172K, P172D, R172E(T41), R172F(T41), R172G(T41), R172H(T41), R172J,
>> R172K, 175, 175A, 175B, 175C, 177, 177A, 177B, 177RG, F177RG, 180,
>> 180A, 180B, 180C, 180D, 180E, 180F, 180G, 180H, 180J, 180K, 182, 182A,
>> 182B, 182C, 182D, 182E, 182F, 182G, 182H, 182J, 182K, 182L, 182M,
>> 182N, 182P, 182Q, 182R, F182P, F182Q, FR182, T182, R182, TR182, 185,
>> 185A, 185B, 185C, 185D, 185E, A185E, A185F, 188, 188A, 188B, A188,
>> A188A, A188B, T188C, 206, P206A, P206B, P206C, P206D, P206E, TU206A,
>> TU206B, TU206C, TU206D, TU206E, TU206F, TU206G, TP206, TP206A, TP206B,
>> TP206C, TP206D, TP206E, U206, U206A, U206B, U206C, U206D, U206E,
>> U206F, U206G, 207, 207A, T207, T207A, 208, 208B, 210, 210A, 210B,
>> 210C, 210D, 210E, 210F, 210G, 210H, 210J, 210K, 210L, 210M, 210N,
>> 210R, T210F, P210N, P210R, 210-5 (205), 210-5A (205A), T303, 310P,
>> 310Q, 310R, T310P, 310Q, 310R, 335, 336, 337, 337A, 337B, 337C, 337D,
>> 337E, 337F, 337G, 337H, F337E, F337F, F337G, F337H, FT337E, FT337F,
>> FT337GP, FT337HP, FTB337, T337B, T337C, T337D, T337E, T337F, T337G,
>> T337H, T337H-SP, M337B, P337H, 340, 340A, 401, 401A, 401B, 402, 402A,
>> 402B, 402C, 404, F406, 411, 411A, 414, 414A, 421, 421A, 421B, 421C,
>> and 425 airplanes, certificated in any category.
>>
>
>
> Hey, they left out the one he made in 1911!
>
> but seriously, what the hell is that AD for? It;'s a pretty broad AD..
>
>
> Bertie
>

Bad muffler bearings.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

"Darkwing" <theducksmail"AT"yahoo.com> wrote in
:


>> Hey, they left out the one he made in 1911!
>>
>> but seriously, what the hell is that AD for? It;'s a pretty broad AD..
>>
>>
>> Bertie
>>
>
> Bad muffler bearings.
>
>
>

OK the only thing I could imagne they all had in common were rivets.


Bertie

[Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
.. .
> Roy Smith > wrote in
> :
>
>> In article >,
>> Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>>
>>> Is that the way the AD is written? Not specific to type? The 400s
>>> were very varied machines and I doubt the spars were common to all of
>>> them..
>>
>> Of course it's specific to type. The summary talks about "Cessna
>> Aircraft Company (Cessna) 100, 200, 300, and 400 series airplanes",
>> but when you read further down, you get to:
>>
>> Applicability: All serial numbers of Models 150, 150A, 150B, 150C,
>> 150D, 150E, 150F, 150G, 150H, 150J, 150K, 150L, 150M, A150K, A150L,
>> A150M, F150F, F150G, F150H, F150J, F150K, F150L, F150M, FA150K,
>> FA150L, FRA150L, FRA150M, 152, A152, F152, FA152, 172, 172A, 172B,
>> 172C, 172D, 172E, 172F, 172G, 172H, 172I, 172K, 172L, 172M, 172N,
>> 172P, 172Q, 172RG, FP172, F172D, F172E, F172F, F172G, F172H, F172K,
>> F172L, F172M, F172N, F172P, FR172E, FR172F, FR172G, FR172H, FR172J,
>> FR172K, P172D, R172E(T41), R172F(T41), R172G(T41), R172H(T41), R172J,
>> R172K, 175, 175A, 175B, 175C, 177, 177A, 177B, 177RG, F177RG, 180,
>> 180A, 180B, 180C, 180D, 180E, 180F, 180G, 180H, 180J, 180K, 182, 182A,
>> 182B, 182C, 182D, 182E, 182F, 182G, 182H, 182J, 182K, 182L, 182M,
>> 182N, 182P, 182Q, 182R, F182P, F182Q, FR182, T182, R182, TR182, 185,
>> 185A, 185B, 185C, 185D, 185E, A185E, A185F, 188, 188A, 188B, A188,
>> A188A, A188B, T188C, 206, P206A, P206B, P206C, P206D, P206E, TU206A,
>> TU206B, TU206C, TU206D, TU206E, TU206F, TU206G, TP206, TP206A, TP206B,
>> TP206C, TP206D, TP206E, U206, U206A, U206B, U206C, U206D, U206E,
>> U206F, U206G, 207, 207A, T207, T207A, 208, 208B, 210, 210A, 210B,
>> 210C, 210D, 210E, 210F, 210G, 210H, 210J, 210K, 210L, 210M, 210N,
>> 210R, T210F, P210N, P210R, 210-5 (205), 210-5A (205A), T303, 310P,
>> 310Q, 310R, T310P, 310Q, 310R, 335, 336, 337, 337A, 337B, 337C, 337D,
>> 337E, 337F, 337G, 337H, F337E, F337F, F337G, F337H, FT337E, FT337F,
>> FT337GP, FT337HP, FTB337, T337B, T337C, T337D, T337E, T337F, T337G,
>> T337H, T337H-SP, M337B, P337H, 340, 340A, 401, 401A, 401B, 402, 402A,
>> 402B, 402C, 404, F406, 411, 411A, 414, 414A, 421, 421A, 421B, 421C,
>> and 425 airplanes, certificated in any category.
>>
>
>
> Hey, they left out the one he made in 1911!
>
> but seriously, what the hell is that AD for? It;'s a pretty broad AD..
>

Not that broad, they missed all the 120's, 140's 170's, 190's and 195's

--
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[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

"Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe" <The Sea Hawk at wow way d0t com> wrote in
news:FMednR9KAeN7qvnanZ2dnUVZ_rCtnZ2d@wideopenwest .com:

> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> .. .
>> Roy Smith > wrote in
>> :
>>
>>> In article >,
>>> Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Is that the way the AD is written? Not specific to type? The 400s
>>>> were very varied machines and I doubt the spars were common to all
of
>>>> them..
>>>
>>> Of course it's specific to type. The summary talks about "Cessna
>>> Aircraft Company (Cessna) 100, 200, 300, and 400 series airplanes",
>>> but when you read further down, you get to:
>>>
>>> Applicability: All serial numbers of Models 150, 150A, 150B, 150C,
>>> 150D, 150E, 150F, 150G, 150H, 150J, 150K, 150L, 150M, A150K, A150L,
>>> A150M, F150F, F150G, F150H, F150J, F150K, F150L, F150M, FA150K,
>>> FA150L, FRA150L, FRA150M, 152, A152, F152, FA152, 172, 172A, 172B,
>>> 172C, 172D, 172E, 172F, 172G, 172H, 172I, 172K, 172L, 172M, 172N,
>>> 172P, 172Q, 172RG, FP172, F172D, F172E, F172F, F172G, F172H, F172K,
>>> F172L, F172M, F172N, F172P, FR172E, FR172F, FR172G, FR172H, FR172J,
>>> FR172K, P172D, R172E(T41), R172F(T41), R172G(T41), R172H(T41),
R172J,
>>> R172K, 175, 175A, 175B, 175C, 177, 177A, 177B, 177RG, F177RG, 180,
>>> 180A, 180B, 180C, 180D, 180E, 180F, 180G, 180H, 180J, 180K, 182,
182A,
>>> 182B, 182C, 182D, 182E, 182F, 182G, 182H, 182J, 182K, 182L, 182M,
>>> 182N, 182P, 182Q, 182R, F182P, F182Q, FR182, T182, R182, TR182, 185,
>>> 185A, 185B, 185C, 185D, 185E, A185E, A185F, 188, 188A, 188B, A188,
>>> A188A, A188B, T188C, 206, P206A, P206B, P206C, P206D, P206E, TU206A,
>>> TU206B, TU206C, TU206D, TU206E, TU206F, TU206G, TP206, TP206A,
TP206B,
>>> TP206C, TP206D, TP206E, U206, U206A, U206B, U206C, U206D, U206E,
>>> U206F, U206G, 207, 207A, T207, T207A, 208, 208B, 210, 210A, 210B,
>>> 210C, 210D, 210E, 210F, 210G, 210H, 210J, 210K, 210L, 210M, 210N,
>>> 210R, T210F, P210N, P210R, 210-5 (205), 210-5A (205A), T303, 310P,
>>> 310Q, 310R, T310P, 310Q, 310R, 335, 336, 337, 337A, 337B, 337C,
337D,
>>> 337E, 337F, 337G, 337H, F337E, F337F, F337G, F337H, FT337E, FT337F,
>>> FT337GP, FT337HP, FTB337, T337B, T337C, T337D, T337E, T337F, T337G,
>>> T337H, T337H-SP, M337B, P337H, 340, 340A, 401, 401A, 401B, 402,
402A,
>>> 402B, 402C, 404, F406, 411, 411A, 414, 414A, 421, 421A, 421B, 421C,
>>> and 425 airplanes, certificated in any category.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Hey, they left out the one he made in 1911!
>>
>> but seriously, what the hell is that AD for? It;'s a pretty broad
AD..
>>
>
> Not that broad, they missed all the 120's, 140's 170's, 190's and
195's
>


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