Merry Christmas to all

[Steve Foley[_3_]]

Just checking in to see if things have gotten any better in r.a.p. (They
haven't).

Have a Merry Christmas, Happy New Year, and probably the rest of the 2008
holidays as well.

- Steve Foley

[Bob Noel]

In article >,
"Steve Foley" > wrote:

> Just checking in to see if things have gotten any better in r.a.p. (They
> haven't).
>
> Have a Merry Christmas, Happy New Year, and probably the rest of the 2008
> holidays as well.

Merry Christmas.

--
Bob Noel
(goodness, please trim replies!!!)

[Jay Honeck]

> Just checking in to see if things have gotten any better in r.a.p. (They
> haven't).
>
> Have a Merry Christmas, Happy New Year, and probably the rest of the 2008
> holidays as well.

Thanks, Steve. Same to you and yours.

I'm sorry these groups have deteriorated the way they have. It's
gotten to the point where I no longer recommend (or even mention)
these groups to newbie pilot wannabees anymore, for fear of the
impression they'll come away with. Quite frankly, it's embarrassing.

I keep hoping that the trolls and anti-socials will eventually tire of
their little circle jerk, and move on to other activities.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[F. Baum]

On Dec 23, 9:30*am, Jay Honeck > wrote:
>
> I'm sorry these groups have deteriorated the way they have. *It's
> gotten to the point where I no longer recommend (or even mention)
> these groups to newbie pilot wannabees anymore, for fear of the
> impression they'll come away with. *Quite frankly, it's embarrassing.

Holy Cow Jay, talk about the pot calling the kettle black. You
probably top the list when it comes to OT threads. In the short time I
have been here I have read several derogitory posts from you about
politics, people from other countries, parenting advice, advertising
your bisiness, etc. etc.. Quite frankly, you are causing much of the
embarasment .

>
> I keep hoping that the trolls and anti-socials will eventually tire of
> their little circle jerk, and move on to other activities.

Circle jerk ?????????? Lets hope you tire of this petyness and move
on.
> FB
Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck]

> > I'm sorry these groups have deteriorated the way they have. *It's
> > gotten to the point where I no longer recommend (or even mention)
> > these groups to newbie pilot wannabees anymore, for fear of the
> > impression they'll come away with. *Quite frankly, it's embarrassing.
>
> Holy Cow Jay, talk about the pot calling the kettle black. You
> probably top the list when it comes to OT threads. In the short time I
> have been here I have read several derogitory posts from you about
> politics, people from other countries, parenting advice, advertising
> your bisiness, etc. etc.. Quite frankly, you are causing much of the
> embarasment .

Nothing could have illustrated my point more, or better. Yet another
anonymous poster ("F. Baum" is neither "F" nor "Baum") polluting a
thread with bitterness, inaccuracies, misspellings, grammatical
errors, and just plain bad karma.

I've posted on these groups thousands of times over the last nine
years, and have made many good and lasting friends here. I started
here back when I was a new aircraft owner, and have learned more about
aviation than I could have ever learned anywhere else.

To say these groups were a marvelous asset to any pilot was an
understatement. There was simply no better source of information
available, anywhere.

How far we have fallen!

Over time, I came to know most of the regulars here, both on-line and
in-person. I created our "Rogue's Gallery" of Rec.Aviation pilots
(See it here: http://www.alexisparkinn.com/rec_aviation.htm) to
provide a place for everyone to show off their planes and where
they've flown, and everyone used it -- back when I used to promote its
existence here.

Our annual "Fly-In Pool Party" and "Rec.Aviation HOPS Party" at
Oshkosh became fixtures with many, many pilots who heard about it here
first. We were one big, happy family, and EVERYONE was welcomed with
open arms -- especially non-pilots.

Sadly, sometime in early 2007, things started to change. The level of
cordial collegiality and downright brotherhood here -- formerly the
best part of this group -- began to deteriorate. Suddenly we had non-
pilots posing as pilots -- and real pilots responding to them with
such brilliant responses as "****wit!" -- over and over and over
again, ad nauseum.

As the level of dispute grew, regulars (like Steve) began to drift
away. It simply wasn't worth the effort to wade through all the BS to
find the nuggets of gold. And without their input, the level of noise
to signal continued to rise, to the point where we find it today.

And all that's left are the "F.Baums" of the world, to pound that
point home.

Now, it's simply impossible to start a thread -- on any topic -- that
doesn't end up a ****ing match between MX and Bertie, or with bitter
lies from other anonymous posters. Sure, we can set up kill-files
that eliminate their posts, but not the inevitable answers and counter-
points -- and before you know it the original topic is lost, and
everyone is an "idiot" or a "****wit"...

It's all terribly sad. But, again, I keep hoping the trolls and
unhappy souls who have found this group will eventually get bored with
it all, and we can get back to piloting.

Merry Christmas, all. May 2008 be a better year here.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Martin Hotze[_2_]]

Jay Honeck schrieb:

> Nothing could have illustrated my point more, or better. Yet another

NACK, it just prooved his point.

> anonymous poster ("F. Baum" is neither "F" nor "Baum") polluting a

heck, you are the "same" idiot posting via Googe-Groups (just to bring
up another insult).

> thread with bitterness, inaccuracies, misspellings, grammatical
> errors, and just plain bad karma.

yeah: no arguments. ha!

> I've posted on these groups thousands of times over the last nine

yes, and at least half of it off-topic.

> How far we have fallen!

how true.

> And all that's left are the "F.Baums" of the world, to pound that
> point home.

Now come on! Now you have to flame towards me. Please! You have to!

#m

[F. Baum]

On Dec 23, 11:09*am, Jay Honeck > wrote:
>
> Nothing could have illustrated my point more, or better. *Yet another
> anonymous poster ("F. Baum" is neither "F" nor "Baum") polluting a
> thread with bitterness, inaccuracies, misspellings, grammatical
> errors, and just plain bad karma.

Sorry bout the misspellins, I ussually type fast and dont bother to
proof. Your calling everyone a "Jerk Off" could not have illustrated
my point more, or better.
>
> I've posted on these groups thousands of times over the last nine
> years, and have made many good and lasting friends here. *

You have also bashed just about every Non White, Non US Middle Class
segment of society.

>
> To say these groups were a marvelous asset to any pilot was an
> understatement. *There was simply no better source of information
> available, anywhere.
>
> How far we have fallen!
>
> Over time, I came to know most of the regulars here, both on-line and
> in-person. *I created our "Rogue's Gallery" of Rec.Aviation pilots
> (See it here:http://www.alexisparkinn.com/rec_aviation.htm) to
> provide a place for everyone to show off their planes and where
> they've flown, and everyone used it -- back when I used to promote its
> existence here.
>
> Our annual "Fly-In Pool Party" and "Rec.Aviation HOPS Party" at
> Oshkosh became fixtures with many, many pilots who heard about it here
> first. *We were one big, happy family, and EVERYONE was welcomed with
> open arms -- especially non-pilots.
>
> Sadly, sometime in early 2007, things started to change. The level of
> cordial collegiality and downright brotherhood here -- formerly the
> best part of this group -- began to deteriorate. *Suddenly we had non-
> pilots posing as pilots -- and real pilots responding to them with
> such brilliant responses as "****wit!" -- over and over and over
> again, ad nauseum.

The fjuckwit guy isnt me. I will give Bertie credit that he does a
good job of heckling those who take themselves too seriously. He also
knows alot more about flying than you do. You can bite me if you are
suggesting that I am not a real pilot. With all of the OT threads that
you have started, it is funny that you think that only "Real" pilots
should post here. Why not anyone with a valid avaition related
topic ? What makes you, of all posters, the USNET police

> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"

[Morgans[_2_]]

"F. Baum" > wrote

>The fjuckwit guy isnt me. I will give Bertie credit that he does a
good job of heckling those who take themselves too seriously. He also
knows alot more about flying than you do.

Jim in NC wrote:
You have to be kidding. Bertie, in the over all view of things, is worse
for the group than MX ever could be.

Without him, stirring the pot, we would have a chance at ignoring the MX
types, and they would go away. His constant response is like buying booze
for an alcoholic. It is what he lives for.

As far as off topic posts go, this will always be a "virtual pilot's lounge
bull session" and nothing (other than all the good people leaving) will
change that...

As long as they are respectful of other people, I don't see the problem with
it. If labeled "OT" people can ignore them as they wish.

I agree. This forum is on the way to extinction.

Now I'm going to say a bad word, so look away, if you wish.

Thanks, all you circle jerk pudwads. Thanks for nothing.
--
Jim in NC

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

"Morgans" > wrote in
:

>
> "F. Baum" > wrote
>
>>The fjuckwit guy isnt me. I will give Bertie credit that he does a
> good job of heckling those who take themselves too seriously. He also
> knows alot more about flying than you do.
>
> Jim in NC wrote:
> You have to be kidding. Bertie, in the over all view of things, is
> worse for the group than MX ever could be.
>
> Without him, stirring the pot, we would have a chance at ignoring the
> MX types, and they would go away. His constant response is like
> buying booze for an alcoholic. It is what he lives for.
>
> As far as off topic posts go, this will always be a "virtual pilot's
> lounge bull session" and nothing (other than all the good people
> leaving) will change that...
>
> As long as they are respectful of other people, I don't see the
> problem with it. If labeled "OT" people can ignore them as they wish.
>
> I agree. This forum is on the way to extinction.
>
> Now I'm going to say a bad word, so look away, if you wish.
>
> Thanks, all you circle jerk pudwads. Thanks for nothing.

You're welcome for nothing.


Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Jay Honeck > wrote in news:1303b770-c2d0-4e9f-92d9-
:



>
> Nothing could have illustrated my point more, or better. Yet another
> anonymous poster ("F. Baum" is neither "F" nor "Baum") polluting a
> thread with bitterness, inaccuracies, misspellings, grammatical
> errors, and just plain bad karma.
>
> I've posted on these groups thousands of times over the last nine
> years, and have made many good and lasting friends here. I started
> here back when I was a new aircraft owner, and have learned more about
> aviation than I could have ever learned anywhere else.


For your information, I was posting here looooong before you were, you
tiny little man. Both as BTB and under my real name and a couple of
others.

>
> To say these groups were a marvelous asset to any pilot was an
> understatement. There was simply no better source of information
> available, anywhere.

Good, that's what it;'s supposed to be.

>
> How far we have fallen!


Yep, endless posts about how you like to arrange your sausage and eggs
to look like airplanes and endless weather reports from i-o-wer have
lowered the tone considerably.

>
> Over time, I came to know most of the regulars here, both on-line and
> in-person. I created our "Rogue's Gallery" of Rec.Aviation pilots
> (See it here: http://www.alexisparkinn.com/rec_aviation.htm) to
> provide a place for everyone to show off their planes and where
> they've flown, and everyone used it -- back when I used to promote its
> existence here.


You're a fjukkin saint.


>
> Sadly, sometime in early 2007, things started to change. The level of
> cordial collegiality and downright brotherhood here -- formerly the
> best part of this group -- began to deteriorate. Suddenly we had non-
> pilots posing as pilots -- and real pilots responding to them with
> such brilliant responses as "****wit!" -- over and over and over
> again, ad nauseum.

And yet you kept looking.

Stoooopid, really stooopid.

Even a dog stops ingesting things that make him nauseous.

OTOH, some dogs eat their own ****.
>
> Now, it's simply impossible to start a thread -- on any topic -- that
> doesn't end up a ****ing match between MX and Bertie,

Too dumb to use a killfile?




Bertie

[B A R R Y]

On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 15:02:59 GMT, "Steve Foley"
> wrote:
>
>Have a Merry Christmas, Happy New Year, and probably the rest of the 2008
>holidays as well.

Back at 'cha!

[Larry Dighera]

On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 15:03:12 -0500, "Morgans"
> wrote in >:

>
>Thanks, all you circle jerk pudwads. Thanks for nothing.

Ah, at this time of year it always gives me a warm feeling to see the
true expressions of love, joy, peace and forgiveness that my fellow
airmen enthusiastically express toward their fellow man. Thanks for
making rec.aviation.piloting a better place. :-)

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Larry Dighera > wrote in
:

> On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 15:03:12 -0500, "Morgans"
> > wrote in >:
>
>>
>>Thanks, all you circle jerk pudwads. Thanks for nothing.
>
> Ah, at this time of year it always gives me a warm feeling to see the
> true expressions of love, joy, peace and forgiveness that my fellow
> airmen enthusiastically express toward their fellow man. Thanks for
> making rec.aviation.piloting a better place. :-)
>

Ah, another wise man checks in with a message of peace.



Bertie

[Rich Ahrens[_2_]]

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
> Jay Honeck > wrote in news:1303b770-c2d0-4e9f-92d9-
> :
>
>
>
>> Nothing could have illustrated my point more, or better. Yet another
>> anonymous poster ("F. Baum" is neither "F" nor "Baum") polluting a
>> thread with bitterness, inaccuracies, misspellings, grammatical
>> errors, and just plain bad karma.
>>
>> I've posted on these groups thousands of times over the last nine
>> years, and have made many good and lasting friends here. I started
>> here back when I was a new aircraft owner, and have learned more about
>> aviation than I could have ever learned anywhere else.
>
>
> For your information, I was posting here looooong before you were, you
> tiny little man. Both as BTB and under my real name and a couple of
> others.

Doesn't matter, though - to Jay, the world revolves around him, and
anything that exists or existed outside his circle of distorted
attention simply never happened.

[[email protected]]

On Dec 23, 10:02*am, "Steve Foley" > wrote:
> Have a Merry Christmas, Happy New Year, and probably the rest of the 2008
> holidays as well.
>
> *- Steve Foley

Indeed! Greetings and Merry Christmas to all fellow pilots and
aviation enthusiasts everywhere!!!

Blue skies!

[Matt W. Barrow]

"Rich Ahrens" > wrote in message
. net...
> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>> Jay Honeck > wrote in news:1303b770-c2d0-4e9f-92d9-
>> :
>>
>>
>>
>>> Nothing could have illustrated my point more, or better. Yet another
>>> anonymous poster ("F. Baum" is neither "F" nor "Baum") polluting a
>>> thread with bitterness, inaccuracies, misspellings, grammatical
>>> errors, and just plain bad karma.
>>>
>>> I've posted on these groups thousands of times over the last nine
>>> years, and have made many good and lasting friends here. I started
>>> here back when I was a new aircraft owner, and have learned more about
>>> aviation than I could have ever learned anywhere else.
>>
>>
>> For your information, I was posting here looooong before you were, you
>> tiny little man. Both as BTB and under my real name and a couple of
>> others.

So, you were being killfiled longer than Jay's been around?

It's one thing to be KF'ed for taking contrary opinions, but for being a
troll...

> Doesn't matter, though - to Jay, the world revolves around him, and
> anything that exists or existed outside his circle of distorted attention
> simply never happened.

Well, thanks for that adolescent reply.

[Matt W. Barrow]

"Steve Foley" > wrote in message
...
> Just checking in to see if things have gotten any better in r.a.p. (They
> haven't).
>
> Have a Merry Christmas, Happy New Year, and probably the rest of the 2008
> holidays as well.
>
Happy Solstice!

(Boy! Holiday decorations are a bitch when you have to lug 20 ton slabs
around for a Stonehenge model!!). :~)
--
Matt Barrow
Performance Homes, LLC.
Cheyenne, WY

[Rich Ahrens[_2_]]

Matt W. Barrow wrote:
> "Rich Ahrens" > wrote in message
> . net...
>> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>>> Jay Honeck > wrote in news:1303b770-c2d0-4e9f-92d9-
>>> :
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Nothing could have illustrated my point more, or better. Yet another
>>>> anonymous poster ("F. Baum" is neither "F" nor "Baum") polluting a
>>>> thread with bitterness, inaccuracies, misspellings, grammatical
>>>> errors, and just plain bad karma.
>>>>
>>>> I've posted on these groups thousands of times over the last nine
>>>> years, and have made many good and lasting friends here. I started
>>>> here back when I was a new aircraft owner, and have learned more about
>>>> aviation than I could have ever learned anywhere else.
>>>
>>> For your information, I was posting here looooong before you were, you
>>> tiny little man. Both as BTB and under my real name and a couple of
>>> others.
>
> So, you were being killfiled longer than Jay's been around?
>
> It's one thing to be KF'ed for taking contrary opinions, but for being a
> troll...
>
>> Doesn't matter, though - to Jay, the world revolves around him, and
>> anything that exists or existed outside his circle of distorted attention
>> simply never happened.
>
> Well, thanks for that adolescent reply.

Thanks for your incapacity to follow attributions accurately.

[Jay Honeck]

> You have to be kidding. *Bertie, in the over all view of things, is worse
> for the group than MX ever could be.

For evidence of the downfall of this group, I once again direct you to
the Rogue's Gallery: http://www.alexisparkinn.com/rec_aviation.htm

Take a long look at the dozens and dozens of pilots who felt so
attached to this group that they sent pictures of their plane(s) along
with a personal write-up, just a few short years ago. It's easy to
appreciate the positive, enthusiastic, upbeat tone of the write-ups
and all the photos of their beautiful aircraft.

Now check out how many of these same folks no longer post here, thanks
to the trolls. The number of good folks who have been driven away by
their never-ending bile FAR outnumber those who still hang out here on
a regular basis.

I'm still in touch with many of these folks, off-group. Some have
become very good friends over the years. Without exception, they have
abandoned this newsgroup to escape the handfull of anonymous
miscreants who feel called to hijack every thread. They simply voted
with their feet, and moved on. It's extremely sad, and we're all the
worse for it.

We can only hope that the Christmas spirit will infect these newsgroup-
Scrooges, and they'll turn into positive contributors. Or maybe --
just maybe -- their parents will take away their computers until
school starts again...

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Jay Honeck > wrote in news:a369b516-f7d7-4e18-895b-
:

>> You have to be kidding. *Bertie, in the over all view of things, is
wors
> e
>> for the group than MX ever could be.
>
> For evidence of the downfall of this group, I once again direct you to
> the Rogue's Gallery: http://www.alexisparkinn.com/rec_aviation.htm
>
> Take a long look at the dozens and dozens of pilots who felt so
> attached to this group that they sent pictures of their plane(s) along
> with a personal write-up, just a few short years ago. It's easy to
> appreciate the positive, enthusiastic, upbeat tone of the write-ups
> and all the photos of their beautiful aircraft.
>
> Now check out how many of these same folks no longer post here, thanks
> to the trolls. The number of good folks who have been driven away by
> their never-ending bile FAR outnumber those who still hang out here on
> a regular basis.
>
> I'm still in touch with many of these folks, off-group. Some have
> become very good friends over the years. Without exception, they have
> abandoned this newsgroup to escape the handfull of anonymous
> miscreants who feel called to hijack every thread. They simply voted
> with their feet, and moved on. It's extremely sad, and we're all the
> worse for it.
>
> We can only hope that the Christmas spirit will infect these
newsgroup-
> Scrooges, and they'll turn into positive contributors. Or maybe --
> just maybe -- their parents will take away their computers until
> school starts again...
>


I'm genuinely touched and hereby resolve to leave the fjukktard Anthony
alone.

From this day forward I will only respond to every post that you make
that does not contain something that advances aviation technically.
Pretty much all of them, in other words.



Merry Crhistmas.



Bertie

[Jim Logajan]

"Matt W. Barrow" > wrote:
> "Steve Foley" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Just checking in to see if things have gotten any better in r.a.p.
>> (They haven't).
>>
>> Have a Merry Christmas, Happy New Year, and probably the rest of the
>> 2008 holidays as well.
>>
> Happy Solstice!
>
> (Boy! Holiday decorations are a bitch when you have to lug 20 ton
> slabs around for a Stonehenge model!!). :~)

Happy solstice to you too Matt. Sorry to see you insist on building full-
scale. Next time consider one of these:

http://www.paperlandmarks.com/stonehenge.htm

[Matt W. Barrow]

"Jim Logajan" > wrote in message
.. .
> "Matt W. Barrow" > wrote:
>> "Steve Foley" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Just checking in to see if things have gotten any better in r.a.p.
>>> (They haven't).
>>>
>>> Have a Merry Christmas, Happy New Year, and probably the rest of the
>>> 2008 holidays as well.
>>>
>> Happy Solstice!
>>
>> (Boy! Holiday decorations are a bitch when you have to lug 20 ton
>> slabs around for a Stonehenge model!!). :~)
>
> Happy solstice to you too Matt. Sorry to see you insist on building full-
> scale. Next time consider one of these:
>
> http://www.paperlandmarks.com/stonehenge.htm

It's 13 inches across! Kinda hard to have sacrificial ceremonies in one of
those! "~)

[nobody[_2_]]

"Matt W. Barrow" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Steve Foley" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Just checking in to see if things have gotten any better in r.a.p. (They
>> haven't).
>>
>> Have a Merry Christmas, Happy New Year, and probably the rest of the 2008
>> holidays as well.
>>
> Happy Solstice!
>
> (Boy! Holiday decorations are a bitch when you have to lug 20 ton slabs
> around for a Stonehenge model!!). :~)
> --
> Matt Barrow
> Performance Homes, LLC.
> Cheyenne, WY
>
Couldn't you use concrete forms and pour them in place?

[Kyle Boatright]

"nobody" > wrote in message
...
> "Matt W. Barrow" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Steve Foley" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Just checking in to see if things have gotten any better in r.a.p. (They
>>> haven't).
>>>
>>> Have a Merry Christmas, Happy New Year, and probably the rest of the
>>> 2008 holidays as well.
>>>
>> Happy Solstice!
>>
>> (Boy! Holiday decorations are a bitch when you have to lug 20 ton slabs
>> around for a Stonehenge model!!). :~)
>> --
>> Matt Barrow
>> Performance Homes, LLC.
>> Cheyenne, WY
>>
> Couldn't you use concrete forms and pour them in place?

He's old school.

[muff528]

"Kyle Boatright" > wrote in message
. ..
>
> "nobody" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Matt W. Barrow" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> "Steve Foley" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> Just checking in to see if things have gotten any better in r.a.p.
>>>> (They haven't).
>>>>
>>>> Have a Merry Christmas, Happy New Year, and probably the rest of the
>>>> 2008 holidays as well.
>>>>
>>> Happy Solstice!
>>>
>>> (Boy! Holiday decorations are a bitch when you have to lug 20 ton slabs
>>> around for a Stonehenge model!!). :~)
>>> --
>>> Matt Barrow
>>> Performance Homes, LLC.
>>> Cheyenne, WY
>>>
>> Couldn't you use concrete forms and pour them in place?
>
> He's old school.

A lot of people have a family tradition of going out and cutting their own
stones. Of course that has given way to commercial stone cutters peddling
their rocks at the many solstice-stone stands that spring up just before the
holiday. (the best deals are to be had just before the actual solstice!)
Still others opt for the fake stones that can be purchased at local
department stores. These typically have instructions for setting up and
pointing the megalith in the correct direction along with calculations
already worked out for azimuth, etc. for your lat/lon (much like a satellite
dish!) Some kits even have a reusable fake goat full of ketchup (catsup?)
for it's obvious use at zero-hour if your particular brand of paganism calls
for such observances. (Some assembly required. Requires 2 AA batteries, not
included.)

[Matt W. Barrow]

"Kyle Boatright" > wrote in message
. ..
>
> "nobody" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Matt W. Barrow" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> "Steve Foley" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> Just checking in to see if things have gotten any better in r.a.p.
>>>> (They haven't).
>>>>
>>>> Have a Merry Christmas, Happy New Year, and probably the rest of the
>>>> 2008 holidays as well.
>>>>
>>> Happy Solstice!
>>>
>>> (Boy! Holiday decorations are a bitch when you have to lug 20 ton slabs
>>> around for a Stonehenge model!!). :~)
>>> --
>>> Matt Barrow
>>> Performance Homes, LLC.
>>> Cheyenne, WY
>>>
>> Couldn't you use concrete forms and pour them in place?
>
> He's old school.

If it was good enough for the Druids, it's good enough for me!

[Matt W. Barrow]

"muff528" > wrote in message
news:pOPbj.1951$nh7.269@trnddc01...
>
> "Kyle Boatright" > wrote in message
> . ..
>>
>> "nobody" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> "Matt W. Barrow" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> "Steve Foley" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> Just checking in to see if things have gotten any better in r.a.p.
>>>>> (They haven't).
>>>>>
>>>>> Have a Merry Christmas, Happy New Year, and probably the rest of the
>>>>> 2008 holidays as well.
>>>>>
>>>> Happy Solstice!
>>>>
>>>> (Boy! Holiday decorations are a bitch when you have to lug 20 ton slabs
>>>> around for a Stonehenge model!!). :~)
>>>> --
>>>> Matt Barrow
>>>> Performance Homes, LLC.
>>>> Cheyenne, WY
>>>>
>>> Couldn't you use concrete forms and pour them in place?
>>
>> He's old school.
>
> A lot of people have a family tradition of going out and cutting their own
> stones. Of course that has given way to commercial stone cutters peddling
> their rocks at the many solstice-stone stands that spring up just before
> the holiday. (the best deals are to be had just before the actual
> solstice!) Still others opt for the fake stones that can be purchased at
> local department stores. These typically have instructions for setting up
> and pointing the megalith in the correct direction along with calculations
> already worked out for azimuth, etc. for your lat/lon (much like a
> satellite dish!) Some kits even have a reusable fake goat full of ketchup
> (catsup?) for it's obvious use at zero-hour if your particular brand of
> paganism calls for such observances. (Some assembly required. Requires 2
> AA batteries, not included.)

That's the candy-ass approach to the holidays! :~)

[Matt W. Barrow]

"muff528" > wrote in message
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>

>>>>>
>>>> Happy Solstice!
>>>>
>>>> (Boy! Holiday decorations are a bitch when you have to lug 20 ton slabs
>>>> around for a Stonehenge model!!). :~)
>>>> --
>>>> Matt Barrow
>>>> Performance Homes, LLC.
>>>> Cheyenne, WY
>>>>
>>> Couldn't you use concrete forms and pour them in place?
>>
>> He's old school.
>
> A lot of people have a family tradition of going out and cutting their own
> stones. Of course that has given way to commercial stone cutters peddling
> their rocks at the many solstice-stone stands that spring up just before
> the holiday.
....
> Some kits even have a reusable fake goat full of ketchup (catsup?) for
> it's obvious use at zero-hour if your particular brand of paganism calls
> for such observances.

I think you've hit on something that has caused my great consternation -- at
our home, we sacrifice a virgin, but every year, when I plunge the dagger
into her heart, all the air leaks out.

[muff528]

"Matt W. Barrow" > wrote in message
...
> "muff528" > wrote in message
> news:pOPbj.1951$nh7.269@trnddc01...
>>
>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Happy Solstice!
>>>>>
>>>>> (Boy! Holiday decorations are a bitch when you have to lug 20 ton
>>>>> slabs around for a Stonehenge model!!). :~)
>>>>> --
>>>>> Matt Barrow
>>>>> Performance Homes, LLC.
>>>>> Cheyenne, WY
>>>>>
>>>> Couldn't you use concrete forms and pour them in place?
>>>
>>> He's old school.
>>
>> A lot of people have a family tradition of going out and cutting their
>> own stones. Of course that has given way to commercial stone cutters
>> peddling their rocks at the many solstice-stone stands that spring up
>> just before the holiday.
> ...
>> Some kits even have a reusable fake goat full of ketchup (catsup?) for
>> it's obvious use at zero-hour if your particular brand of paganism calls
>> for such observances.
>
> I think you've hit on something that has caused my great consternation --
> at our home, we sacrifice a virgin, but every year, when I plunge the
> dagger into her heart, all the air leaks out.
>
>
>

Wow! That sure turned dark! Sacrifice?!? Who said anything about plunging
daggers into virgins, etc.!?! I was talking about those little animal-shaped
squeeze bottles used for squirting your favorite tasty condiment on your
french fries just as the sun reverses direction. Kinda like toasting with a
glass of champagne at the stroke of the new year in some cultures. Of
course, if you're a Brit you can substitute mayo for the catchep and squeeze
it all over your "chips".......just like the Druids prolly did!

BTW - ".......when I plunge the dagger into her heart, all the air leaks
out." I don't believe I'd have said that. :-)

[muff528]

"muff528" > wrote in message
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>
> "Matt W. Barrow" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "muff528" > wrote in message
>> news:pOPbj.1951$nh7.269@trnddc01...
>>>
>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Happy Solstice!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (Boy! Holiday decorations are a bitch when you have to lug 20 ton
>>>>>> slabs around for a Stonehenge model!!). :~)
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Matt Barrow
>>>>>> Performance Homes, LLC.
>>>>>> Cheyenne, WY
>>>>>>
>>>>> Couldn't you use concrete forms and pour them in place?
>>>>
>>>> He's old school.
>>>
>>> A lot of people have a family tradition of going out and cutting their
>>> own stones. Of course that has given way to commercial stone cutters
>>> peddling their rocks at the many solstice-stone stands that spring up
>>> just before the holiday.
>> ...
>>> Some kits even have a reusable fake goat full of ketchup (catsup?) for
>>> it's obvious use at zero-hour if your particular brand of paganism calls
>>> for such observances.
>>
>> I think you've hit on something that has caused my great consternation --
>> at our home, we sacrifice a virgin, but every year, when I plunge the
>> dagger into her heart, all the air leaks out.
>>
>>
>>
>
> Wow! That sure turned dark! Sacrifice?!? Who said anything about plunging
> daggers into virgins, etc.!?! I was talking about those little
> animal-shaped squeeze bottles used for squirting your favorite tasty
> condiment on your french fries just as the sun reverses direction. Kinda
> like toasting with a glass of champagne at the stroke of the new year in
> some cultures. Of course, if you're a Brit you can substitute mayo for the
> catchep and squeeze it all over your "chips".......just like the Druids
> prolly did!
>
> BTW - ".......when I plunge the dagger into her heart, all the air leaks
> out." I don't believe I'd have said that. :-)
>

Don't believe she's a virgin, either......

[Matt W. Barrow]

"muff528" > wrote in message
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>
> "Matt W. Barrow" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "muff528" > wrote in message
>> news:pOPbj.1951$nh7.269@trnddc01...
>>>
>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Happy Solstice!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (Boy! Holiday decorations are a bitch when you have to lug 20 ton
>>>>>> slabs around for a Stonehenge model!!). :~)
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Matt Barrow
>>>>>> Performance Homes, LLC.
>>>>>> Cheyenne, WY
>>>>>>
>>>>> Couldn't you use concrete forms and pour them in place?
>>>>
>>>> He's old school.
>>>
>>> A lot of people have a family tradition of going out and cutting their
>>> own stones. Of course that has given way to commercial stone cutters
>>> peddling their rocks at the many solstice-stone stands that spring up
>>> just before the holiday.
>> ...
>>> Some kits even have a reusable fake goat full of ketchup (catsup?) for
>>> it's obvious use at zero-hour if your particular brand of paganism calls
>>> for such observances.
>>
>> I think you've hit on something that has caused my great consternation --
>> at our home, we sacrifice a virgin, but every year, when I plunge the
>> dagger into her heart, all the air leaks out.
>>
>>
>>
>
> Wow! That sure turned dark! Sacrifice?!? Who said anything about plunging
> daggers into virgins, etc.!?! I was talking about those little
> animal-shaped squeeze bottles used for squirting your favorite tasty
> condiment on your french fries just as the sun reverses direction. Kinda
> like toasting with a glass of champagne at the stroke of the new year in
> some cultures. Of course, if you're a Brit you can substitute mayo for the
> catchep and squeeze it all over your "chips".......just like the Druids
> prolly did!
>
> BTW - ".......when I plunge the dagger into her heart, all the air leaks
> out." I don't believe I'd have said that. :-)

We take the solstice very seriously at our house, though the loud POP when I
use the dagger annoys the neighbors! :~)

[Jim Logajan]

"Matt W. Barrow" > wrote:
> "Jim Logajan" > wrote in message
> .. .
>> "Matt W. Barrow" > wrote:
>>> "Steve Foley" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> Just checking in to see if things have gotten any better in r.a.p.
>>>> (They haven't).
>>>>
>>>> Have a Merry Christmas, Happy New Year, and probably the rest of
>>>> the 2008 holidays as well.
>>>>
>>> Happy Solstice!
>>>
>>> (Boy! Holiday decorations are a bitch when you have to lug 20 ton
>>> slabs around for a Stonehenge model!!). :~)
>>
>> Happy solstice to you too Matt. Sorry to see you insist on building
>> full- scale. Next time consider one of these:
>>
>> http://www.paperlandmarks.com/stonehenge.htm
>
> It's 13 inches across! Kinda hard to have sacrificial ceremonies in
> one of those! "~)

Consider using a mosquito as a sacrifice (but may be hard to come by one
this time of year in the northern latitudes). If you use one that's just
bitten you it may be more personally satisfying and appropriately bloody.
But you may need awfully tiny cuffs and "ropes". And I suppose you'd need a
magnifying glass too, to see what you'ere doing.