Installing instruments and avionics in small aircraft

[Mxsmanic]

What's the procedure for installing instruments and avionics in small
aircraft?

For example, if you want to install, say, a stereo in your car, it's no big
deal. Lots of stereos seem to be pretty standardized, you just get what you
want and connect a few wires and stuff and its in. How modular and easy is it
in an aircraft?

I presume that when you buy an aircraft new, you get a selection of
instruments on the panel. Is it usually a fixed set, or do you tell the
manufacturer exactly which instruments you want, or what? Can you just
unscrew one instrument and replace it with another? Are connections and
interfaces highly standardized? Do you have to get changes certified or
checked in some way?

Do most pilot/owners have their own eclectic set of instruments, or do most
keep whatever came with the aircraft from the factory? In pictures I've seen
of cockpits it looks like many aircraft are highly individualized, with
various instruments replaced, upgraded, etc. It also looks like at least some
of the mounting and electrical or other connections are standardized to some
degree.

[[email protected]]

On Dec 27, 4:14*pm, Mxsmanic > wrote:

Removing and installing instruments and avionics is not difficult but
only an authorized mechanic can legally do it.

Only an authorized avionics technician can work on avionics
(repairing).

On purchase of a new aircraft you generally have a wide assortment of
various instruments and avionics from which you may choose.

Ricky

[James Sleeman]

On Dec 28, 12:21*pm, wrote:
> Removing and installing instruments and avionics is not difficult but
> only an authorized mechanic can legally do it.
> Only an authorized avionics technician can work on avionics
> (repairing).

Qualifier: in certified aircraft.

[Rip]

Mxsmanic wrote:
> What's the procedure for installing instruments and avionics in small
> aircraft?
>
> For example, if you want to install, say, a stereo in your car, it's no big
> deal. Lots of stereos seem to be pretty standardized, you just get what you
> want and connect a few wires and stuff and its in. How modular and easy is it
> in an aircraft?
>
> I presume that when you buy an aircraft new, you get a selection of
> instruments on the panel. Is it usually a fixed set, or do you tell the
> manufacturer exactly which instruments you want, or what? Can you just
> unscrew one instrument and replace it with another? Are connections and
> interfaces highly standardized? Do you have to get changes certified or
> checked in some way?
>
> Do most pilot/owners have their own eclectic set of instruments, or do most
> keep whatever came with the aircraft from the factory? In pictures I've seen
> of cockpits it looks like many aircraft are highly individualized, with
> various instruments replaced, upgraded, etc. It also looks like at least some
> of the mounting and electrical or other connections are standardized to some
> degree.

ANTHONY, YOU'RE A BOOR. GO TO A SIM GROUP! Note to all: Mxsmanic
(Anthony) is not a pilot. He has never flown any type of aircraft. At
all. He simulates flight on a computer running Microsoft Flight
Simulator, asks inane questions, and then argues about the answers.
Save your time. Don't answer.

[[email protected]]

On Dec 27, 4:14 pm, Mxsmanic > wrote:
> What's the procedure for installing instruments and avionics in small
> aircraft?
>

It's a very simple procedure:
1. Open wallet
2. Remove money

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> What's the procedure for installing instruments and avionics in small
> aircraft?
>

One, make hole in panel.

Two, insert instrument


three, fasten instrument with screws.



Fjukkwit.

Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

wrote in news:539298d0-778c-4fa7-a733-ec3e934dff16
@e6g2000prf.googlegroups.com:

> On Dec 27, 4:14 pm, Mxsmanic > wrote:
>> What's the procedure for installing instruments and avionics in small
>> aircraft?
>>
>
> It's a very simple procedure:
> 1. Open wallet
> 2. Remove money
>
>

Doh!

Bertie

[Mxsmanic]

James Sleeman writes:

> Qualifier: in certified aircraft.

What kinds of aircraft aren't certified? Experimental stuff?

I've seen pictures on the Net of people replacing instruments and stuff as if
they were working on their cars in a garage. I don't know if they are
actually doing the work themselves (which apparently wouldn't be legal, but
people do lots of illegal things), or someone certified is doing it and
somehow they took pictures during the whole time, or maybe their aircraft is
one that isn't certified.

I've seen pictures of all sorts of gadgets strapped and taped in place in
cockpits, too. Does that have to be certified, or is it exempt if it isn't
actually screwed into the panel?

[Mxsmanic]

Rip writes:

> ANTHONY, YOU'RE A BOOR. GO TO A SIM GROUP! Note to all: Mxsmanic
> (Anthony) is not a pilot. He has never flown any type of aircraft. At
> all. He simulates flight on a computer running Microsoft Flight
> Simulator, asks inane questions, and then argues about the answers.
> Save your time. Don't answer.

I've already received an answer. I was pretty sure that there are still
people who can answer questions without throwing tantrums.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> Rip writes:
>
>> ANTHONY, YOU'RE A BOOR. GO TO A SIM GROUP! Note to all: Mxsmanic
>> (Anthony) is not a pilot. He has never flown any type of aircraft. At
>> all. He simulates flight on a computer running Microsoft Flight
>> Simulator, asks inane questions, and then argues about the answers.
>> Save your time. Don't answer.
>
> I've already received an answer. I was pretty sure that there are still
> people who can answer questions without throwing tantrums.
>

Awww, assamata wannabeee boi?

Lusing your fan base?


Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> James Sleeman writes:
>
>> Qualifier: in certified aircraft.
>
> What kinds of aircraft aren't certified? Experimental stuff?
>
> I've seen pictures on the Net of people replacing instruments and
> stuff as if they were working on their cars in a garage.

Oh well, case closed then. You seen it on the net.

Bertie

[Tina]

no, no. it's click and drag. Anthony 'flies' a simulator.



On Dec 27, 10:30*pm, wrote:
> On Dec 27, 4:14 pm, Mxsmanic > wrote:
>
> > What's the procedure for installing instruments and avionics in small
> > aircraft?
>
> It's a very simple procedure:
> 1. *Open wallet
> 2. *Remove money

[Rip[_2_]]

Mxsmanic wrote:
> Rip writes:
>
>> ANTHONY, YOU'RE A BOOR. GO TO A SIM GROUP! Note to all: Mxsmanic
>> (Anthony) is not a pilot. He has never flown any type of aircraft. At
>> all. He simulates flight on a computer running Microsoft Flight
>> Simulator, asks inane questions, and then argues about the answers.
>> Save your time. Don't answer.
>
> I've already received an answer. I was pretty sure that there are still
> people who can answer questions without throwing tantrums.

See, Anthony. You're STILL an unwanted boor. A statement of fact doth
not a tantrum make, but boors make up their own definitions so that they
can remain boorish.

[Mxsmanic]

Rip writes:

> A statement of fact doth not a tantrum make ...

I agree, and I got that. Case closed.

[John Mazor[_2_]]

"Mxsmanic" > wrote in message
...

>
> I've already received an answer. I was pretty sure that there are still
> people who can answer questions without throwing tantrums.

Too bad you're not one of them.

[John Mazor[_2_]]

"Mxsmanic" > wrote in message
...
> James Sleeman writes:
>
>> Qualifier: in certified aircraft.
>
> What kinds of aircraft aren't certified? Experimental stuff?
>
> I've seen pictures on the Net of people replacing instruments and stuff as if
> they were working on their cars in a garage. I don't know if they are
> actually doing the work themselves (which apparently wouldn't be legal, but
> people do lots of illegal things), or someone certified is doing it and
> somehow they took pictures during the whole time, or maybe their aircraft is
> one that isn't certified.
>
> I've seen pictures of all sorts of gadgets strapped and taped in place in
> cockpits, too. Does that have to be certified, or is it exempt if it isn't
> actually screwed into the panel?

Looking to spiff up your monitor for MSFS?

Be advised that screwing any gadget to your monitor will void the warranty. Use Velcro.

[JGalban via AviationKB.com]

James Sleeman wrote:
>On Dec 28, 12:21Â*pm, wrote:
>> Removing and installing instruments and avionics is not difficult but
>> only an authorized mechanic can legally do it.
>> Only an authorized avionics technician can work on avionics
>> (repairing).
>
>Qualifier: in certified aircraft.

Another qualifier : Slide-in replacement radios (except transponders) can
be removed and installed in production aircraft by the owner/operator.

John Galban=====>N4BQ (PA28-180)

--
Message posted via AviationKB.com
http://www.aviationkb.com/Uwe/Forums.aspx/aviation/200712/1

[nobody[_2_]]

"Mxsmanic" > wrote in message
...
> What's the procedure for installing instruments and avionics in small
> aircraft?

Panel design add-ons for Microsoft Flight Simulator are readily available.
Installation instructions vary.

[Snowbird]

"Mxsmanic" wrote ..
> What's the procedure for installing instruments and avionics in small
> aircraft?
>

Take the opportunity:

Use Google to learn, then tell us. This is your unique chance to prove you
might actually make a contribution to this community. The answer is out
there, free for you to search. Use the freedom of Internet to reach it and
achieve something.

[george]

On Dec 29, 12:00 pm, "Snowbird" > wrote:
> "Mxsmanic" wrote ..
>
> > What's the procedure for installing instruments and avionics in small
> > aircraft?
>
> Take the opportunity:
>
> Use Google to learn, then tell us. This is your unique chance to prove you
> might actually make a contribution to this community. The answer is out
> there, free for you to search. Use the freedom of Internet to reach it and
> achieve something.

The lame consulting a LAME eh

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> Rip writes:
>
>> A statement of fact doth not a tantrum make ...
>
> I agree, and I got that.


Uh, I don't think so.



> Case closed.

You wish.


Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

"Snowbird" > wrote in
i.fi:

>
> "Mxsmanic" wrote ..
>> What's the procedure for installing instruments and avionics in small
>> aircraft?
>>
>
> Take the opportunity:
>
> Use Google to learn, then tell us. This is your unique chance to
> prove you might actually make a contribution to this community. The
> answer is out there, free for you to search. Use the freedom of
> Internet to reach it and achieve something.
>
>
>

Remember the first sign of mental illness is thinking you can change
Anthony.

Bertie

[Snowbird]

"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote
> "Snowbird" wrote
>>
>> "Mxsmanic" wrote ..
>>> What's the procedure for installing instruments and avionics in small
>>> aircraft?
>>>
>>
>> Take the opportunity:
>>
>> Use Google to learn, then tell us. This is your unique chance to
>> prove you might actually make a contribution to this community. The
>> answer is out there, free for you to search. Use the freedom of
>> Internet to reach it and achieve something.
>
> Remember the first sign of mental illness is thinking you can change
> Anthony.
>

Well, that symptom fits quite many of this group's posters, so I'm not that
concerned.
(Which probably is the second sign of.... ;-)

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

"Snowbird" > wrote in
ti.fi:

>
> "Bertie the Bunyip" wrote
>> "Snowbird" wrote
>>>
>>> "Mxsmanic" wrote ..
>>>> What's the procedure for installing instruments and avionics in
>>>> small aircraft?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Take the opportunity:
>>>
>>> Use Google to learn, then tell us. This is your unique chance to
>>> prove you might actually make a contribution to this community. The
>>> answer is out there, free for you to search. Use the freedom of
>>> Internet to reach it and achieve something.
>>
>> Remember the first sign of mental illness is thinking you can change
>> Anthony.
>>
>
> Well, that symptom fits quite many of this group's posters, so I'm not
> that concerned.
> (Which probably is the second sign of.... ;-)
>
True. But if one person is deluded, it's insanity. If many are deluded,
it's a religion.

I can't remember who said that, but I like it.


Bertie

[Mxsmanic]

John Mazor writes:

> Too bad you're not one of them.

That depends on the question.

[Mxsmanic]

nobody writes:

> Panel design add-ons for Microsoft Flight Simulator are readily available.
> Installation instructions vary.

Yes, I'm using those now. I find it amusing that it parallels similar
procedures in real life. Only it's much less expensive, of course. I just
replaced a KFC225 with a S-TEC 55X. I'm not sure which one I like better, but
at least the latter is an accurate simulation, whereas the former does involve
a few compromises.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> John Mazor writes:
>
>> Too bad you're not one of them.
>
> That depends on the question.
>

No, it doesn't


Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> nobody writes:
>
>> Panel design add-ons for Microsoft Flight Simulator are readily
>> available. Installation instructions vary.
>
> Yes, I'm using those now. I find it amusing that it parallels similar
> procedures in real life.


No, it doesn't

Bertie

[Tina]

There is an underlying assumption that the one who asserted simulated
replacement of components mimics real life. That person as best is
known here has never sat in a cockpit of an airplane, no has had the
opportunity to replace such components in real life.

The professional term we'd is is 'dilusional'.

.


On Dec 29, 2:20*pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> Mxsmanic > wrote :
>
> > nobody writes:
>
> >> Panel design add-ons for Microsoft Flight Simulator are readily
> >> available. Installation instructions vary.
>
> > Yes, I'm using those now. *I find it amusing that it parallels similar
> > procedures in real life.
>
> No, it doesn't
>
> Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Tina > wrote in
:

> There is an underlying assumption that the one who asserted simulated
> replacement of components mimics real life. That person as best is
> known here has never sat in a cockpit of an airplane, no has had the
> opportunity to replace such components in real life.
>
> The professional term we'd is is 'dilusional'.
>
> .
>

Isn't that "delusional"?

I'd imagine dilusional would be something else altogether.

Might be what Ken has.


If you haven'tmet ken yet, you owe yourself a trip over to RAS to see him
in action.


Bertie

[[email protected]]

On Dec 28, 3:45*am, Mxsmanic > wrote:
>
> I've seen pictures of all sorts of gadgets strapped and taped in place in
> cockpits, too. *Does that have to be certified, or is it exempt if it isn't
> actually screwed into the panel?

It appears that the FAA considers attachment mechanisms such as
Velcro, clamps, duct tape, bubble gum, etc. to be temporary and
therefore acceptable for a non-certified individual to use to
temporarily install equipment. I think one key is the TEMPORARY
nature of the attachment, it is expected that the installing pilot
will remove it before some other pilot flies the plane, thereby
returning the aircraft to the condition described in the airplane
flight manual.

[Dave[_1_]]

Well Anthony... that's usenet!

One good question, then 4+ good answers, all correct.

Then a whole bunch of noise..... :)

Further to these answers, the minor tightning of knobs and brackets,
removal of knobs to allow the removal ofcosmetic trim etc. that DO
NOT include removal of flight controls or structure are also
permitted to be done by the owner/ pilot as well.

Dave


On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 09:46:32 +0100, Mxsmanic >
wrote:


>
>I've already received an answer. I was pretty sure that there are still
>people who can answer questions without throwing tantrums.

[[email protected]]

On Dec 29, 11:52 am, Mxsmanic > wrote:
> I just
> replaced a KFC225 with a S-TEC 55X. I'm not sure which one I like better, but
> at least the latter is an accurate simulation, whereas the former does involve
> a few compromises.

Folks, is there an emoticon depicting a shaking head?

Dan

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> nobody writes:
>
>> Panel design add-ons for Microsoft Flight Simulator are readily
>> available. Installation instructions vary.
>
> Yes, I'm using those now. I find it amusing that it parallels similar
> procedures in real life. Only it's much less expensive, of course. I
> just replaced a KFC225 with a S-TEC 55X. I'm not sure which one I
> like better, but at least the latter is an accurate simulation,
> whereas the former does involve a few compromises.
>

Good grief.


Bertie

[William Hung[_2_]]

On Dec 30, 8:00*pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> Mxsmanic > wrote :
>
> > nobody writes:
>
> >> Panel design add-ons for Microsoft Flight Simulator are readily
> >> available. Installation instructions vary.
>
> > Yes, I'm using those now. *I find it amusing that it parallels similar
> > procedures in real life. *Only it's much less expensive, of course. *I
> > just replaced a KFC225 with a S-TEC 55X. *I'm not sure which one I
> > like better, but at least the latter is an accurate simulation,
> > whereas the former does involve a few compromises.
>
> Good grief.
>
> Bertie

Wouldn't it be funny if MX is in reality a high time well qualified
ATP and he's just playing around and seeing who really knows what in
here?

Wil

[Roger (K8RI)]

On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 16:30:41 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

>On Dec 29, 11:52 am, Mxsmanic > wrote:
>> I just
>> replaced a KFC225 with a S-TEC 55X. I'm not sure which one I like better, but
>> at least the latter is an accurate simulation, whereas the former does involve
>> a few compromises.
>
> Folks, is there an emoticon depicting a shaking head?
>
There is an animated GIF that looks like an shaking head emoticon, but
emoticon? I guess we are just stuck with <shakes head>, <say
what ?>, or <huh?> <:-))

Simulating the legality of changing instruments? <shakes head> <:-))

Roger (K8RI)

> Dan

[[email protected]]

On Dec 30, 7:24 pm, "Roger (K8RI)" > wrote:

> > Folks, is there an emoticon depicting a shaking head?
>
> There is an animated GIF that looks like an shaking head emoticon, but
> emoticon? I guess we are just stuck with <shakes head>, <say
> what ?>, or <huh?> <:-))
>
> Simulating the legality of changing instruments? <shakes head> <:-))

Dunno. Somehow <shakes head> just doesn't cut it. I really wish
the groups host (Google?) would get into the 21st century and allow
more than just text here. There are numerous times I've wished I could
include a drawing with a post, or a small photo.
Or the sound of someone laughing himself to death. Or a
raspberry. A groan. Or a barfing sound. You know--the sort of things
that would add immensely to the conversation.
Maybe I'm too much of a redneck.

Dan

[Mxsmanic]

writes:

> Folks, is there an emoticon depicting a shaking head?

You might wish to review the state of simulation before shaking your head.
For some of the instruments I'm using, the accuracy is such that there is no
documentation from the developer of the simulation, because you can just
download the real documentation for the instrument and consult that.

This is very useful to people who need to train themselves in the use of a
specific flight instrument before actually buying and installing it.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> writes:
>
>> Folks, is there an emoticon depicting a shaking head?
>
> You might wish to review the state of simulation before shaking your
> head. For some of the instruments I'm using, the accuracy is such that
> there is no documentation from the developer of the simulation,

How the **** would you know, you moron?

You don;'t fly.


Bertie

[Dave[_3_]]

Heh...heh...

I thought of the same possibility a few months ago.....

We have to allow for the possibility that anyone here may be very
different in real life than our "on line" personalities...

It would not be the first time..

Great entertainment tho....

:)

Dave



On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 18:19:33 -0800 (PST), William Hung
> wrote:

>On Dec 30, 8:00*pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> Mxsmanic > wrote :
>>
>> > nobody writes:
>>
>> >> Panel design add-ons for Microsoft Flight Simulator are readily
>> >> available. Installation instructions vary.
>>
>> > Yes, I'm using those now. *I find it amusing that it parallels similar
>> > procedures in real life. *Only it's much less expensive, of course. *I
>> > just replaced a KFC225 with a S-TEC 55X. *I'm not sure which one I
>> > like better, but at least the latter is an accurate simulation,
>> > whereas the former does involve a few compromises.
>>
>> Good grief.
>>
>> Bertie
>
>Wouldn't it be funny if MX is in reality a high time well qualified
>ATP and he's just playing around and seeing who really knows what in
>here?
>
>Wil

[Maxwell]

"William Hung" > wrote in message
...
On Dec 30, 8:00 pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> Mxsmanic > wrote
> :
>
> > nobody writes:
>
> >> Panel design add-ons for Microsoft Flight Simulator are readily
> >> available. Installation instructions vary.
>
> > Yes, I'm using those now. I find it amusing that it parallels similar
> > procedures in real life. Only it's much less expensive, of course. I
> > just replaced a KFC225 with a S-TEC 55X. I'm not sure which one I
> > like better, but at least the latter is an accurate simulation,
> > whereas the former does involve a few compromises.
>
> Good grief.
>
> Bertie

Wouldn't it be funny if MX is in reality a high time well qualified
ATP and he's just playing around and seeing who really knows what in
here?

Hey William, why the sudden cross post to include the whole world?

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

William Hung > wrote in
:

> On Dec 30, 8:00*pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> Mxsmanic > wrote
>> innews:uo5dn3lvcmrkop04af463umntj03is8
> :
>>
>> > nobody writes:
>>
>> >> Panel design add-ons for Microsoft Flight Simulator are readily
>> >> available. Installation instructions vary.
>>
>> > Yes, I'm using those now. *I find it amusing that it parallels
>> > similar
>
>> > procedures in real life. *Only it's much less expensive, of course.
> *I
>> > just replaced a KFC225 with a S-TEC 55X. *I'm not sure which one I
>> > like better, but at least the latter is an accurate simulation,
>> > whereas the former does involve a few compromises.
>>
>> Good grief.
>>
>> Bertie
>
> Wouldn't it be funny if MX is in reality a high time well qualified
> ATP and he's just playing around and seeing who really knows what in
> here?


Hmm, possible, but unlikely. He'd have been spotted, I think .

Good idea, though!

Bertie

[nobody[_2_]]

"Mxsmanic" > wrote in message
...
> writes:
>
>> Folks, is there an emoticon depicting a shaking head?
>
> You might wish to review the state of simulation before shaking your head.
> For some of the instruments I'm using, the accuracy is such that there is
> no
> documentation from the developer of the simulation, because you can just
> download the real documentation for the instrument and consult that.
>
> This is very useful to people who need to train themselves in the use of a
> specific flight instrument before actually buying and installing it.

If you recall, the subject in INSTALLING instruments, not USING them.
Do they properly simulate improper antenna placement?
How do you map the skin of the aircraft for a Strikefinder Install. I've
seen mechanics use an old am radio. Does someone make an old am radio add-on
for your simulator?

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

"nobody" > wrote in
:

> "Mxsmanic" > wrote in message
> ...
>> writes:
>>
>>> Folks, is there an emoticon depicting a shaking head?
>>
>> You might wish to review the state of simulation before shaking your
>> head. For some of the instruments I'm using, the accuracy is such
>> that there is no
>> documentation from the developer of the simulation, because you can
>> just download the real documentation for the instrument and consult
>> that.
>>
>> This is very useful to people who need to train themselves in the use
>> of a specific flight instrument before actually buying and installing
>> it.
>
> If you recall, the subject in INSTALLING instruments, not USING them.
> Do they properly simulate improper antenna placement?
> How do you map the skin of the aircraft for a Strikefinder Install.
> I've seen mechanics use an old am radio. Does someone make an old am
> radio add-on for your simulator?
>
>
>

But he doesn;t know how to use them , either!


Bertie

[William Hung[_2_]]

On Dec 31, 10:47*am, "Maxwell" > wrote:
> "William Hung" > wrote in message
>
> ...
> On Dec 30, 8:00 pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Mxsmanic > wrote
> > :
>
> > > nobody writes:
>
> > >> Panel design add-ons for Microsoft Flight Simulator are readily
> > >> available. Installation instructions vary.
>
> > > Yes, I'm using those now. I find it amusing that it parallels similar
> > > procedures in real life. Only it's much less expensive, of course. I
> > > just replaced a KFC225 with a S-TEC 55X. I'm not sure which one I
> > > like better, but at least the latter is an accurate simulation,
> > > whereas the former does involve a few compromises.
>
> > Good grief.
>
> > Bertie
>
> Wouldn't it be funny if MX is in reality a high time well qualified
> ATP and he's just playing around and seeing who really knows what in
> here?
>
> Hey William, why the sudden cross post to include the whole world?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Don't know, I just hit 'Reply' and there it is.

Wil

[John Mazor[_2_]]

"William Hung" > wrote in message
...
On Dec 30, 8:00 pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> Mxsmanic > wrote :
>
> > nobody writes:
>
> >> Panel design add-ons for Microsoft Flight Simulator are readily
> >> available. Installation instructions vary.
>
> > Yes, I'm using those now. I find it amusing that it parallels similar
> > procedures in real life. Only it's much less expensive, of course. I
> > just replaced a KFC225 with a S-TEC 55X. I'm not sure which one I
> > like better, but at least the latter is an accurate simulation,
> > whereas the former does involve a few compromises.
>
> Good grief.
>
> Bertie

- Wouldn't it be funny if MX is in reality a high time well qualified
- ATP and he's just playing around and seeing who really knows what in here?

If he ever really did have a snowball's chance of getting an airline job, he would have
applied to become a mechanic, not a pilot.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

"John Mazor" > wrote in
news:wwbej.40447$NL5.20581@trnddc05:

>
> "William Hung" > wrote in message
> .
> .. On Dec 30, 8:00 pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> Mxsmanic > wrote
>> :
>>
>> > nobody writes:
>>
>> >> Panel design add-ons for Microsoft Flight Simulator are readily
>> >> available. Installation instructions vary.
>>
>> > Yes, I'm using those now. I find it amusing that it parallels
>> > similar procedures in real life. Only it's much less expensive, of
>> > course. I just replaced a KFC225 with a S-TEC 55X. I'm not sure
>> > which one I like better, but at least the latter is an accurate
>> > simulation, whereas the former does involve a few compromises.
>>
>> Good grief.
>>
>> Bertie
>
> - Wouldn't it be funny if MX is in reality a high time well qualified
> - ATP and he's just playing around and seeing who really knows what in
> here?
>
> If he ever really did have a snowball's chance of getting an airline
> job, he would have applied to become a mechanic, not a pilot.
>

Oh yeah. I can se him elbow to elbow with our mechanics. They'd eat him for
lunch.


Bertie

[John Mazor[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
.. .
> "John Mazor" > wrote in
> news:wwbej.40447$NL5.20581@trnddc05:
>
>>
>> "William Hung" > wrote in message
>> .
>> .. On Dec 30, 8:00 pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>>> Mxsmanic > wrote
>>> :
>>>
>>> > nobody writes:
>>>
>>> >> Panel design add-ons for Microsoft Flight Simulator are readily
>>> >> available. Installation instructions vary.
>>>
>>> > Yes, I'm using those now. I find it amusing that it parallels
>>> > similar procedures in real life. Only it's much less expensive, of
>>> > course. I just replaced a KFC225 with a S-TEC 55X. I'm not sure
>>> > which one I like better, but at least the latter is an accurate
>>> > simulation, whereas the former does involve a few compromises.
>>>
>>> Good grief.
>>>
>>> Bertie
>>
>> - Wouldn't it be funny if MX is in reality a high time well qualified
>> - ATP and he's just playing around and seeing who really knows what in
>> here?
>>
>> If he ever really did have a snowball's chance of getting an airline
>> job, he would have applied to become a mechanic, not a pilot.
>>
>
> Oh yeah. I can se him elbow to elbow with our mechanics. They'd eat him for
> lunch.

He's anxiously waiting for Microsoft to come out with Airline Mechanic Simulator. It
would be on the Wii so you could physically emulate the wrench turning.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

"John Mazor" > wrote in
news:LUbej.1326$jX4.345@trnddc07:

>
> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> .. .
>> "John Mazor" > wrote in
>> news:wwbej.40447$NL5.20581@trnddc05:
>>
>>>
>>> "William Hung" > wrote in message
>>> news:d052eb3f-6a2c-4d38-b073-

>>> m. .. On Dec 30, 8:00 pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>>>> Mxsmanic > wrote
>>>> :
>>>>
>>>> > nobody writes:
>>>>
>>>> >> Panel design add-ons for Microsoft Flight Simulator are readily
>>>> >> available. Installation instructions vary.
>>>>
>>>> > Yes, I'm using those now. I find it amusing that it parallels
>>>> > similar procedures in real life. Only it's much less expensive,
>>>> > of course. I just replaced a KFC225 with a S-TEC 55X. I'm not
>>>> > sure which one I like better, but at least the latter is an
>>>> > accurate simulation, whereas the former does involve a few
>>>> > compromises.
>>>>
>>>> Good grief.
>>>>
>>>> Bertie
>>>
>>> - Wouldn't it be funny if MX is in reality a high time well
>>> qualified - ATP and he's just playing around and seeing who really
>>> knows what in here?
>>>
>>> If he ever really did have a snowball's chance of getting an airline
>>> job, he would have applied to become a mechanic, not a pilot.
>>>
>>
>> Oh yeah. I can se him elbow to elbow with our mechanics. They'd eat
>> him for lunch.
>
> He's anxiously waiting for Microsoft to come out with Airline Mechanic
> Simulator. It would be on the Wii so you could physically emulate the
> wrench turning.
>

keyboard!


Bertie
>
>
>

[Rich Ahrens[_2_]]

John Mazor wrote:
> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> .. .
>> "John Mazor" > wrote in
>> news:wwbej.40447$NL5.20581@trnddc05:
>>
>>> "William Hung" > wrote in message
>>> .
>>> .. On Dec 30, 8:00 pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>>>> Mxsmanic > wrote
>>>> :
>>>>
>>>>> nobody writes:
>>>>>> Panel design add-ons for Microsoft Flight Simulator are readily
>>>>>> available. Installation instructions vary.
>>>>> Yes, I'm using those now. I find it amusing that it parallels
>>>>> similar procedures in real life. Only it's much less expensive, of
>>>>> course. I just replaced a KFC225 with a S-TEC 55X. I'm not sure
>>>>> which one I like better, but at least the latter is an accurate
>>>>> simulation, whereas the former does involve a few compromises.
>>>> Good grief.
>>>>
>>>> Bertie
>>> - Wouldn't it be funny if MX is in reality a high time well qualified
>>> - ATP and he's just playing around and seeing who really knows what in
>>> here?
>>>
>>> If he ever really did have a snowball's chance of getting an airline
>>> job, he would have applied to become a mechanic, not a pilot.
>>>
>> Oh yeah. I can se him elbow to elbow with our mechanics. They'd eat him for
>> lunch.
>
> He's anxiously waiting for Microsoft to come out with Airline Mechanic Simulator. It
> would be on the Wii so you could physically emulate the wrench turning.

But who would buy it for him?

[[email protected]]

On Dec 31, 2:44 am, Martin Hotze > wrote:
> schrieb:
>
> > Dunno. Somehow <shakes head> just doesn't cut it. I really wish
> > the groups host (Google?)
>
> there is no special host, and for chrissake this is not google at all.
>
> > would get into the 21st century and allow
> > more than just text here.
>
> eeh, what do you know about usenet?
>
> > There are numerous times I've wished I could
> > include a drawing with a post, or a small photo.
>
> then move on to a web based forum. THIS is usenet.
>
> > Or the sound of someone laughing himself to death. Or a
> > raspberry. A groan. Or a barfing sound. You know--the sort of things
> > that would add immensely to the conversation.
>
> oh. really? invite all the folks to a chat (hopefully irc and not a
> webbased thingy) or to a forum.

Got to be so nasty? I don't know much about computers or the
internet or usenet or anything else in cyberspace, and I suppose it
shows. I enjoy the give-and-take of the discussions and only if
someone persists in posting erroneous information do I lose my
patience. You give me no slack at all.
And Google is what I use for the groups. I understand that there
are others who use newsreaders or email-based stuff, but that's all I
know. I'm a 54-year-old Commercial Pilot/Instructor/Aviation College
teacher and aircraft mechanic, not a keyboard whiz. There are other
things to do that become a digital whiz, like building and flying
airpl;anes and boats and old trucks. You know, the *real* world out
there.

Dan

[Snapper]

> wrote
>> > Dunno. Somehow <shakes head> just doesn't cut it. I really wish
>> > the groups host (Google?)
>> > would get into the 21st century and allow
>> > more than just text here.

Sorry Dan, just 'ol timer mutterings. Back in the dark ages America On Line
gave their users access to newsgroups and we had to endured years of inane
AOL requests/comments. Now it's Google folk we grump at when we're tired.

To answer your question, newsgroups are by definition text based so we have
to rely on ":-)", "<big grin>", "::smirk::" etc. to convey non-text
information. As mentioned, there are web based and other new fangled
internet things (so I've heard!) that allow fancier conversations.


> I'm a 54-year-old Commercial Pilot/Instructor/Aviation College
> teacher and aircraft mechanic, not a keyboard whiz. There are other
> things to do that become a digital whiz, like building and flying
> airpl;anes and boats and old trucks. You know, the *real* world out
> there.

Too true. Newsgroups have their use but they ain't real world.


Regards,

David Varidel

-----
There are 10 types of people in this world - those who use binary, and those
who don't.

[Roger (K8RI)]

On Tue, 01 Jan 2008 10:42:48 +0100, Martin Hotze >
wrote:

schrieb:
>
>> Got to be so nasty?
>
>well, sorry - but the 'big masses' washing in through this
>google-usenet-interface makes me think that the neverending September is
>coming back.
>
>> I don't know much about computers or the
>> internet or usenet or anything else in cyberspace, and I suppose it
>> shows.
>
>no, not really. :-)
>most of the internet/usenet users care next to nothing about what they
>use or what they do. This compares to a pilot who jumpes on a plane
>without checklist and turns on every knob and kicks every switch without
>knowing what he does.
>It isn't really that hard to read up the basics, and it doesn't take
>much time, too.
>
>> I enjoy the give-and-take of the discussions and only if
>> someone persists in posting erroneous information do I lose my
>> patience. You give me no slack at all.
>> And Google is what I use for the groups. I understand that there
>> are others who use newsreaders or email-based stuff, but that's all I
>> know.
>
>using usenet through a webbased frontend is the second best way to
>access the groups.

I prefer the text base *stuff* as it is less likely to contain
termites. It's the same reason my e-mail reader is "text only" as HTML
e-mail can be dangerous.

>
>> I'm a 54-year-old Commercial Pilot/Instructor/Aviation College
>> teacher and aircraft mechanic, not a keyboard whiz.

I was only slightly younger than that when I graduated from College
and started a new career( quit work and went back to college full time
at age 47 ). I did teach in college as a GA, but a good job offer came
along which ended my attempt at a masters in CS.

>
>well then, welcome to usenet. <bg> The climate is sometimes cold.

Cold, hot, and sometimes...even in between.
>
>> There are other
>> things to do that become a digital whiz, like building and flying
>> airpl;anes and boats and old trucks.

Do 'em all. <:-))

>
>hmm.
>
>> You know, the *real* world out
>> there.
>
>you're sure?
><http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20000612>

Now retired, having worked as a project manager installing large
networked computer systems, a developmental analyst, and sys admin
with a degree in computer science (earned at age 50) in my last
incarnation I'd say the link shows reality for a fair number in the
profession.

OTOH I fly ( http://www.rogerhalstead.com/833R/833R_frame.htm and am
instrument rated) , am building a Glasair III
http://www.rogerhalstead.com/G3_files/GIII_Diary.htm, Amateur Radio
Operator (Extra class)
http://www.rogerhalstead.com/ham_files/boatanch.htm (constructed my
own tower and antenna system
http://www.rogerhalstead.com/ham_files/tower.htm ) and still do my own
climbing. http://www.rogerhalstead.com/ham_files/Tower29.htm although
it takes me a lot longer to get "up there" than it used to. Also a
couple of hours up there is about it compared to spending most of the
day working on a tower.

In a previous life, or it seems like it, I was an instrument
technician for over 26 years and prior to that I farmed until age 21.
At that point I figured there had to be a better way to make a living.

I find, if a person puts their mind to it they can do lots of things
albeit sometimes accompanied by a lack of sleep.

Roger

>
>> Dan
>>
>
> ;-)
>
>#m

[William Hung[_2_]]

On Jan 1, 7:20*pm, "Roger (K8RI)" > wrote:
> On Tue, 01 Jan 2008 10:42:48 +0100, Martin Hotze >
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> schrieb:
>
> >> * * * Got to be so nasty?
>
> >well, sorry - but the 'big masses' washing in through this
> >google-usenet-interface makes me think that the neverending September is
> >coming back.
>
> >> I don't know much about computers or the
> >> internet or usenet or anything else in cyberspace, and I suppose it
> >> shows.
>
> >no, not really. :-)
> >most of the internet/usenet users care next to nothing about what they
> >use or what they do. This compares to a pilot who jumpes on a plane
> >without checklist and turns on every knob and kicks every switch without
> >knowing what he does.
> >It isn't really that hard to read up the basics, and it doesn't take
> >much time, too.
>
> >> I enjoy the give-and-take of the discussions and only if
> >> someone persists in posting erroneous information do I lose my
> >> patience. You give me no slack at all.
> >> * * * And Google is what I use for the groups. I understand that there
> >> are others who use newsreaders or email-based stuff, but that's all I
> >> know.
>
> >using usenet through a webbased frontend is the second best way to
> >access the groups.
>
> I prefer the text base *stuff* as it is less likely to contain
> termites. It's the same reason my e-mail reader is "text only" as HTML
> e-mail can be *dangerous.
>
>
>
> >> I'm a 54-year-old Commercial Pilot/Instructor/Aviation College
> >> teacher and aircraft mechanic, not a keyboard whiz.
>
> I was only slightly younger than that when I graduated from College
> and started a new career( quit work and went back to college full time
> at age 47 ). I did teach in college as a GA, but a good job offer came
> along which ended my attempt at a masters in CS.
>
>
>
> >well then, welcome to usenet. <bg> The climate is sometimes cold.
>
> Cold, hot, and sometimes...even in between.
>
>
>
> >> There are other
> >> things to do that become a digital whiz, like building and flying
> >> airpl;anes and boats and old trucks.
>
> Do 'em all. <:-))
>
>
>
> >hmm.
>
> >> You know, the *real* world out
> >> there.
>
> >you're sure?
> ><http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20000612>
>
> Now retired, having worked as *a project manager installing large
> networked computer systems, a developmental analyst, and sys admin
> with a degree in computer science (earned at age 50) in my last
> incarnation I'd say the link shows reality for a fair number in the
> profession.
>
> *OTOH I fly (http://www.rogerhalstead.com/833R/833R_frame.htm*and am
> instrument rated) , am building a Glasair IIIhttp://www.rogerhalstead.com/G3_files/GIII_Diary.htm, Amateur Radio
> Operator (Extra class)http://www.rogerhalstead.com/ham_files/boatanch.htm*(constructed my
> own tower and antenna systemhttp://www.rogerhalstead.com/ham_files/tower.htm) and still do my own
> climbing.http://www.rogerhalstead.com/ham_files/Tower29.htmalthough
> it takes me a lot longer to get "up there" than it used to. Also a
> couple of hours up there is about it compared to spending most of the
> day working on a tower.
>
> In a previous life, or it seems like it, I was an instrument
> technician for over 26 years and prior to that I farmed until age 21.
> At that point I figured there had to be a better way to make a living.
>
> I find, if a person puts their mind to it they can do lots of things
> albeit sometimes accompanied by a lack of sleep.
>
> Roger
>
>
>
>
>
> >> * * * Dan
>
> > *;-)
>
> >#m- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Much respect Roger.

Wil

[[email protected]]

On Jan 1, 2:42 am, Martin Hotze > wrote:
> > You know, the *real* world out
> > there.
>
> you're sure?
> <http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20000612>
>
> > Dan

Good cartoon. I know people like that. They buy SUVs and then
are scared when they get off the pavement. Probably couldn't start a
campfire and roast a wiener. They're the ones that'll be afraid of
mice but will try to feed the bears.

Dan