A little positive GA news coverage

[Jay Honeck]

http://tinyurl.com/239ane

The reporter got almost every detail wrong -- but, hey, it's positive
news about young people flying, and it was published in a Gannett-
owned periodical... We'll take it!

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Jay Honeck > wrote in news:73a917dc-dc63-4711-86b4-
:

> http://tinyurl.com/239ane
>
> The reporter got almost every detail wrong -- but, hey, it's positive
> news about young people flying, and it was published in a Gannett-
> owned periodical... We'll take it!
>


Hey Larry, when you start netkkkoping mr waste of space here I'll take you
seriously.


Bertie

[BT]

I think it's an excellent article.. any "details" that may be wrong would
not be noticeable to the non-aviator.. so it yields a great positive light
on a young man's accomplishments.

BT

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
...
> http://tinyurl.com/239ane
>
> The reporter got almost every detail wrong -- but, hey, it's positive
> news about young people flying, and it was published in a Gannett-
> owned periodical... We'll take it!
>
> :-)
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"

[F. Baum]

On Dec 31, 12:20*pm, Jay Honeck > wrote:
>
> The reporter got almost every detail wrong -- but, hey, it's positive
> news about young people flying, and it was published in a Gannett-
> owned periodical... * We'll take it!
>
> :-)
> --
> Jay Honeck
Jay, This is coming from someone who was a PPL at 17, a COMM INST at
19 and a Corporate pilot at 21. I felt no need to alert the press or
have my father make ENDLESS posts to RAP every time I went to the
airfield. Its good that your boy flys, but you have to be pretty self
absorbed to think we all need to constantly be reminded .

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

"F. Baum" > wrote in news:406f86df-5e7d-47c2-a86c-
:

> On Dec 31, 12:20*pm, Jay Honeck > wrote:
>>
>> The reporter got almost every detail wrong -- but, hey, it's positive
>> news about young people flying, and it was published in a Gannett-
>> owned periodical... * We'll take it!
>>
>> :-)
>> --
>> Jay Honeck
> Jay, This is coming from someone who was a PPL at 17, a COMM INST at
> 19 and a Corporate pilot at 21. I felt no need to alert the press or
> have my father make ENDLESS posts to RAP every time I went to the
> airfield. Its good that your boy flys, but you have to be pretty self
> absorbed to think we all need to constantly be reminded .

Nameless cowardly troll ( just cutting to the inevitable chase)




Bertie

[Gig601XLBuilder]

F. Baum wrote:

> Jay, This is coming from someone who was a PPL at 17, a COMM INST at
> 19 and a Corporate pilot at 21. I felt no need to alert the press or
> have my father make ENDLESS posts to RAP every time I went to the
> airfield. Its good that your boy flys, but you have to be pretty self
> absorbed to think we all need to constantly be reminded .

Maybe if you had we would have a few more people that became pilots.

[F. Baum]

On Dec 31, 1:18*pm, Gig601XLBuilder > wrote:
>
> Maybe if you had we would have a few more people that became pilots.

Yea you are probably right but I grew up in a major metropolitan area
and I doubt something like what I did would have been newsworthy. I am
sure it is different in Iowa.
Frank

[Dave[_3_]]

Good article!

We need more of these stories...

Dave




On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:20:46 -0800 (PST), Jay Honeck
> wrote:

>http://tinyurl.com/239ane
>
>The reporter got almost every detail wrong -- but, hey, it's positive
>news about young people flying, and it was published in a Gannett-
>owned periodical... We'll take it!
>
>:-)

[Steven Barnes]

A 5 question oral exam? Wish I'd had one of those...



"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
...
> http://tinyurl.com/239ane
>
> The reporter got almost every detail wrong -- but, hey, it's positive
> news about young people flying, and it was published in a Gannett-
> owned periodical... We'll take it!
>
> :-)
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"

[Kyle Boatright]

"F. Baum" > wrote in message
...
On Dec 31, 12:20 pm, Jay Honeck > wrote:
>
> The reporter got almost every detail wrong -- but, hey, it's positive
> news about young people flying, and it was published in a Gannett-
> owned periodical... We'll take it!
>
> :-)
> --
> Jay Honeck
Jay, This is coming from someone who was a PPL at 17, a COMM INST at
19 and a Corporate pilot at 21. I felt no need to alert the press or
have my father make ENDLESS posts to RAP every time I went to the
airfield. Its good that your boy flys, but you have to be pretty self
absorbed to think we all need to constantly be reminded .


Strangely, I thought the purpose of this group was to talk about piloting.
Why not add something constructive to the discussion instead of ****ing on
it?

[Jay Honeck]

> A 5 question oral exam? Wish I'd had one of those...

Me, too!

I have to admit to being somewhat disappointed with the level of easy
mistakes the reporter made. Considering how much time he spent
interviewing Joe, Mary and me, and how careful we were to make sure
that he got the straight dope -- it's just surprising that a
relatively intelligent person could get those kinds of details so
completely wrong.

But, overall, I'm glad GA got shone in a positive light.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck]

> Maybe if you had we would have a few more people that became pilots.

Precisely.

Every day we read about kids hitting baseballs, or sinking baskets, or
running really fast -- but we never, EVER read about kids learning to
fly. Ever.

It's no wonder that kids don't get into aviation anymore -- not only
are few kids doing it, no one is even talking about the kids doing
it. If 200 kids see one of their peers in the paper doing something
they had never dreamt of doing, perhaps that will open their eyes to
what is truly possible.

I know I wish someone had told *me* that I could learn to fly, when I
was 17...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Morgans[_2_]]

"Kyle Boatright" > wrote

> Strangely, I thought the purpose of this group was to talk about piloting.
> Why not add something constructive to the discussion instead of ****ing on
> it?

Really good idea, but some people, a very few, are too immature to control
themselves.

I wish everyone would take the attitude of, "If you don't have something
nice to say, don't say anything."
--
Jim in NC

[Jay Honeck]

> I wish everyone would take the attitude of, "If you don't have something
> nice to say, don't say anything."

I think I've found a land where this attitude prevails, Jim. It's
called "The Aviation Forum", and it's a moderated group of
enthusiastic, positive, upbeat pilots. See it here: http://www.aviationforum.org

I've been lurking there for a few weeks, trying to get used to the
different format -- and am so far quite impressed with the clientele.
Best of all, trolls simply can't exist there, thanks to the
moderators.

I haven't yet jumped to that forum completely, because I keep hoping
that we will get past the current spate of ill will. However, with
this group sinking ever-deeper into a morass of anonymous Troll
vs.Troll banality, it's worth checking out.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Rich Ahrens[_2_]]

Jay Honeck wrote:
> I know I wish someone had told *me* that I could learn to fly, when I
> was 17...

Most of us were bright enough to figure it out on our own...

[[email protected]]

On Dec 31 2007, 2:01*pm, "F. Baum" > wrote:

> Jay, This is coming from someone who was a PPL at 17, a COMM INST at
> 19 and a Corporate pilot at 21. I felt no need to alert the press or
> have my father make ENDLESS posts to RAP every time I went to the
> airfield. Its good that your boy flys, but you have to be pretty self
> absorbed to think we all need to constantly be reminded .

Hey! F. Baum!

**** YOU! This is probably one of the LEAST "self-absorbed" people in
this newsgroup.
You, F. Baum, however, seem to be pretty absorbed in your own
nastiness!
Why don't you go and **** yourself!

George

[Bob Noel]

In article >, Martin Hotze >
wrote:

> > If 200 kids see one of their peers in the paper doing something
> > they had never dreamt of doing, perhaps that will open their eyes to
> > what is truly possible.
>
> some may also think (not that I think that your son hasn't done it
> because he wanted to): poor guy: daddy flies, mommy flies and now he has
> to do the same.

There are worse things to be "forced" into....

--
Bob Noel
(goodness, please trim replies!!!)

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

"Morgans" > wrote in
:

>
> "Kyle Boatright" > wrote
>
>> Strangely, I thought the purpose of this group was to talk about
>> piloting. Why not add something constructive to the discussion
>> instead of ****ing on it?
>
> Really good idea, but some people, a very few, are too immature to
> control
> themselves.


Give yourself time. You might learn.

I'm not holdiong out much hope, though.

>
> I wish everyone would take the attitude of, "If you don't have
> something nice to say, don't say anything."

God I love hypocrites. they're so tasty.


Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Jay Honeck > wrote in news:fa94a10b-30d2-4603-ac44-
:

>> Maybe if you had we would have a few more people that became pilots.
>
> Precisely.
>
> Every day we read about kids hitting baseballs, or sinking baskets, or
> running really fast -- but we never, EVER read about kids learning to
> fly. Ever.
>
> It's no wonder that kids don't get into aviation anymore -- not only
> are few kids doing it, no one is even talking about the kids doing
> it. If 200 kids see one of their peers in the paper doing something
> they had never dreamt of doing, perhaps that will open their eyes to
> what is truly possible.
>
> I know I wish someone had told *me* that I could learn to fly, when I
> was 17...
> --

Didn' take me that long. I went and found out for myself.

When I was 13.

And i didn't live anywhere near an airport and I wasn't independently
wealthy ,. whiney boi.


Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

wrote in news:3edecf1b-bad9-4b44-a196-8323d05efe75
@v4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:



> Why don't you go and **** yourself!

Sorry, but that's copyright.


Bertie

[Jay Honeck]

> > I know I wish someone had told *me* that I could learn to fly, when I
> > was 17...
>
> Most of us were bright enough to figure it out on our own...

True, everyone here (well, with some exceptions) figured it out --
eventually. In my case, however, I wasted 35 years of my life on the
ground, gazing skyward, never realizing how truly easy and accessible
GA was -- because there were no role models. Until I went to work
for a guy who flew, I had no "in" at the airport.

If we want to grow GA, mentoring is the only way to do it. Unless one
is exceptionally motivated, the hurdles between the street and the
runway are just too great for the average guy to navigate on his own.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[F. Baum]

On Dec 31 2007, 6:59*pm, "Kyle Boatright" >
wrote:
>
> Strangely, I thought the purpose of this group was to talk about piloting.
> Why not add something constructive to the discussion instead of ****ing on
> it?

Strangely, I thought I was adding something constructive. I was merily
sugesting that Jay consider the company he is in. There are many
highly rated and experienced pilots on this list. Many of us started
at young ages (14 for me) and many of us have kids who fly. In light
of this, dont you think that starting 50 or 60 threads on the subject
seems a bit...............

[F. Baum]

On Dec 31 2007, 11:32*pm, Jay Honeck > wrote:
>
> I think I've found a land where this attitude prevails, Jim. *It's
> called "The Aviation Forum", and it's a moderated group of
> enthusiastic, positive, upbeat pilots. *See it here:http://www.aviationforum.org
>
Jay, ask the moderators if they will put up with 50 to 60 threads on
the same subject. See if they will endure endless OT discusion. Check
on their tolerance of profanities. ;)

Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"

[Rich Ahrens[_2_]]

wrote:
> On Dec 31 2007, 2:01 pm, "F. Baum" > wrote:
>
>> Jay, This is coming from someone who was a PPL at 17, a COMM INST at
>> 19 and a Corporate pilot at 21. I felt no need to alert the press or
>> have my father make ENDLESS posts to RAP every time I went to the
>> airfield. Its good that your boy flys, but you have to be pretty self
>> absorbed to think we all need to constantly be reminded .
>
> Hey! F. Baum!
>
> **** YOU! This is probably one of the LEAST "self-absorbed" people in
> this newsgroup.

What planet do you live on?

[F. Baum]

On Jan 1, 8:33*am, Rich Ahrens > wrote:
> wrote:
> > On Dec 31 2007, 2:01 pm, "F. Baum" > wrote:
>
>>
> > **** YOU! This is probably one of the LEAST "self-absorbed" people in
> > this newsgroup.
>
> What planet do you live on?

Rich, this guy has made one post here and 6 posts over at
ALT.DRUGS.HARD. I think the poor guy has issues.
Frank

[Andrew Gideon]

On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 18:28:37 -0800, Jay Honeck wrote:

> Every day we read about kids hitting baseballs, or sinking baskets, or
> running really fast -- but we never, EVER read about kids learning to
> fly.
> Ever.

The only place I ever see articles such as what you're describing is in
the town paper (a weekly).

But this is a good idea that I'll mention to a local flight school where
I've still some contacts. They've a bulletin board on which students'
accomplishments are posted. Why not write some sort of "press release"
for each to the local paper and the paper local to where the student
lives?

- Andrew

[F. Baum]

On Jan 1, 7:55*am, Jay Honeck > wrote:
>
> True, everyone here (well, with some exceptions) figured it out --
> eventually. *In my case, however, I wasted 35 years of my life on the
> ground, gazing skyward, never realizing how truly easy and accessible
> GA was -- because there were no role models. * Until I went to work
> for a guy who flew, I had no "in" at the airport.
>
So true. Some of us have spent years with organizations like CAP and
the Aviation Explorers working with young people in aviation. Aside
from fostering GA, it is an incredibly rewarding thing to do. Maybe if
you werent so busy playing "Big man on campus" here on RAP.........
(Kidding)!!

Happy New Year
Fly Safe

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Rich Ahrens > wrote in news:477a5d42$0$1122
:

> wrote:
>> On Dec 31 2007, 2:01 pm, "F. Baum" > wrote:
>>
>>> Jay, This is coming from someone who was a PPL at 17, a COMM INST at
>>> 19 and a Corporate pilot at 21. I felt no need to alert the press or
>>> have my father make ENDLESS posts to RAP every time I went to the
>>> airfield. Its good that your boy flys, but you have to be pretty self
>>> absorbed to think we all need to constantly be reminded .
>>
>> Hey! F. Baum!
>>
>> **** YOU! This is probably one of the LEAST "self-absorbed" people in
>> this newsgroup.
>
> What planet do you live on?
>


Some world called "Iowa"

Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

"F. Baum" > wrote in news:e1e843a1-91b0-4251-81b9-
:

> On Jan 1, 8:33*am, Rich Ahrens > wrote:
>> wrote:
>> > On Dec 31 2007, 2:01 pm, "F. Baum" > wrote:
>>
>>>
>> > **** YOU! This is probably one of the LEAST "self-absorbed" people in
>> > this newsgroup.
>>
>> What planet do you live on?
>
> Rich, this guy has made one post here and 6 posts over at
> ALT.DRUGS.HARD. I think the poor guy has issues.
> Frank
>
But ast least Jay has found a new supporter.

I had a look at his posts over ot alt.drugs.hard

Yipes!

Bertie

[Matt Whiting]

Jay Honeck wrote:
> http://tinyurl.com/239ane
>
> The reporter got almost every detail wrong -- but, hey, it's positive
> news about young people flying, and it was published in a Gannett-
> owned periodical... We'll take it!

Absolutely! Any good press for GA is a good thing.

Matt

[Matt Whiting]

F. Baum wrote:
> On Dec 31, 12:20 pm, Jay Honeck > wrote:
>> The reporter got almost every detail wrong -- but, hey, it's positive
>> news about young people flying, and it was published in a Gannett-
>> owned periodical... We'll take it!
>>
>> :-)
>> --
>> Jay Honeck
> Jay, This is coming from someone who was a PPL at 17, a COMM INST at
> 19 and a Corporate pilot at 21. I felt no need to alert the press or
> have my father make ENDLESS posts to RAP every time I went to the
> airfield. Its good that your boy flys, but you have to be pretty self
> absorbed to think we all need to constantly be reminded .

Happy New Year to you also!

It must suck to be you.

Matt

[Matt Whiting]

Jay Honeck wrote:
>> Maybe if you had we would have a few more people that became pilots.
>
> Precisely.
>
> Every day we read about kids hitting baseballs, or sinking baskets, or
> running really fast -- but we never, EVER read about kids learning to
> fly. Ever.
>
> It's no wonder that kids don't get into aviation anymore -- not only
> are few kids doing it, no one is even talking about the kids doing
> it. If 200 kids see one of their peers in the paper doing something
> they had never dreamt of doing, perhaps that will open their eyes to
> what is truly possible.
>
> I know I wish someone had told *me* that I could learn to fly, when I
> was 17...

I'm really surprised you didn't know. I don't know where I caught the
flying bug, but I was hooked by age 7 or so. I read books about flying
in the library and watched flying movies on TV. I knew I wanted to be a
fighter pilot by age 12 or so and wanted to attend the AFA. I made
finalist at the academy, but got cut in the last round when they went
from 1500 applications to the 750 or so (if memory serves) cadets to be
accepted that year (1977). The consolation prize was a full ROTC
scholarship, but my eyes failed me a few months later and I could not
longer pass the pilots physical. I starting my private training shortly
after that and had my Private at age 18.

How could you not know about flying while growing up?

Matt

[Matt Whiting]

Jay Honeck wrote:
>>> I know I wish someone had told *me* that I could learn to fly, when I
>>> was 17...
>> Most of us were bright enough to figure it out on our own...
>
> True, everyone here (well, with some exceptions) figured it out --
> eventually. In my case, however, I wasted 35 years of my life on the
> ground, gazing skyward, never realizing how truly easy and accessible
> GA was -- because there were no role models. Until I went to work
> for a guy who flew, I had no "in" at the airport.

You must have led a very sheltered life. I grew up in a very rural area
in north central PA (Tioga County), yet we still have TV (2-3 channels)
and I saw a lot of movies about flying. And the library had many books
about flying, it only took a little searching.

Matt

[F. Baum]

On Jan 1, 9:37*am, Matt Whiting > wrote:
>
> Happy New Year to you also!
>
> It must suck to be you.

With all the partying I did last nite, right now it does in fact "Suck
to be me".
Happy New Year.
>
> Matt

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Matt Whiting > wrote in news:Jauej.1346$2n4.30465
@news1.epix.net:

> Jay Honeck wrote:
>>>> I know I wish someone had told *me* that I could learn to fly, when I
>>>> was 17...
>>> Most of us were bright enough to figure it out on our own...
>>
>> True, everyone here (well, with some exceptions) figured it out --
>> eventually. In my case, however, I wasted 35 years of my life on the
>> ground, gazing skyward, never realizing how truly easy and accessible
>> GA was -- because there were no role models. Until I went to work
>> for a guy who flew, I had no "in" at the airport.
>
> You must have led a very sheltered life. I grew up in a very rural area
> in north central PA (Tioga County), yet we still have TV (2-3 channels)
> and I saw a lot of movies about flying. And the library had many books
> about flying, it only took a little searching.
>

If he knew where th elibrary was he'd know a bit more about the world in
general.


Bertie

[Matt Whiting]

F. Baum wrote:
> On Dec 31 2007, 11:32 pm, Jay Honeck > wrote:
>> I think I've found a land where this attitude prevails, Jim. It's
>> called "The Aviation Forum", and it's a moderated group of
>> enthusiastic, positive, upbeat pilots. See it here:http://www.aviationforum.org
>>
> Jay, ask the moderators if they will put up with 50 to 60 threads on
> the same subject. See if they will endure endless OT discusion. Check
> on their tolerance of profanities. ;)

My guess is they won't let you join so no need for Jay to check on this
for you. :-)

Matt

[Matt Whiting]

F. Baum wrote:
> On Dec 31 2007, 6:59 pm, "Kyle Boatright" >
> wrote:
>> Strangely, I thought the purpose of this group was to talk about piloting.
>> Why not add something constructive to the discussion instead of ****ing on
>> it?
>
> Strangely, I thought I was adding something constructive. I was merily
> sugesting that Jay consider the company he is in. There are many
> highly rated and experienced pilots on this list. Many of us started
> at young ages (14 for me) and many of us have kids who fly. In light
> of this, dont you think that starting 50 or 60 threads on the subject
> seems a bit...............
>

50 or 60 threads? Have you really counted that many? I haven't tried
to count them, but I find that pretty hard to believe.

Matt

[F. Baum]

On Jan 1, 9:59*am, Matt Whiting > wrote:

> > On Dec 31 2007, 11:32 pm, Jay Honeck > wrote:
> >> I think I've found a land where this attitude prevails, Jim. *It's
> >> called "The Aviation Forum", and it's a moderated group of
> >> enthusiastic, positive, upbeat pilots. *See it here:http://www.aviationforum.org
>
> > Jay, ask the moderators if they will put up with 50 to 60 threads on
> > the same subject. See if they will endure endless OT discusion. Check
> > on their tolerance of profanities. ;)
>
> My guess is they won't let you join so no need for Jay to check on this
> for you. *:-)
>
> Matt
Yea Jay is gonna have to check if they allow his "Style" of posts over
there.

[Rich Ahrens[_2_]]

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
> "F. Baum" > wrote in news:e1e843a1-91b0-4251-81b9-
> :
>
>> On Jan 1, 8:33 am, Rich Ahrens > wrote:
>>> wrote:
>>>> On Dec 31 2007, 2:01 pm, "F. Baum" > wrote:
>>>> **** YOU! This is probably one of the LEAST "self-absorbed" people in
>>>> this newsgroup.
>>> What planet do you live on?
>> Rich, this guy has made one post here and 6 posts over at
>> ALT.DRUGS.HARD. I think the poor guy has issues.
>> Frank
>>
> But ast least Jay has found a new supporter.
>
> I had a look at his posts over ot alt.drugs.hard
>
> Yipes!

Wow - wanting to do methadone recreationally and expecting it to improve
his work performance. Jay attracts the finest type. Maybe the guy works
in housekeeping for him.

[Larry Dighera]

On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 22:32:51 -0800 (PST), Jay Honeck
> wrote in
>:

>"The Aviation Forum", and it's a moderated group of
>enthusiastic, positive, upbeat pilots. See it here: http://www.aviationforum.org

It looks like it's run by a pilot:

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Address

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Country USA


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[Jay Honeck]

> How could you not know about flying while growing up?

It's not that I didn't know about flying -- I think many kids are
enamored with the notion of being in the sky. I was, too, from the
very first time I flew on a Boing 707, in 1962.

But that's a whole different thing than knowing how to get from "Boy,
is that cool" to "Boy, I could *do* that!" Neither of my parents
attended college, both grew up in the Depression, and flying was just
not something that anyone in my family ever considered doing. As a
result, it was never mentioned as anything within the realm of
possibility.

In my family the notion of owning your own airplane, or flying the
family from coast to coast, was so far "out there" as to be in the
realm of Buck Rogers. No one talked about it because, quite frankly,
my family was just as ignorant about general aviation as 98% of the
country is today.

What we need to do, as pilot-mentors, is let kids know that flying is
attainable. In order to do that, we must let the public know that
regular guys and gals are learning to fly right every day, right in
their hometowns. Once they know that schnooks like US can do it,
that'll be one less hurdle for them to clear between the road and the
runway.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck]

> But it's not Usenet.

Is that a bad thing?

So far, I've been very impressed with the other forum. There are
clearly some highly experienced, positive and upbeat people there --
some of whom I recognize from this group in years past.

And I have yet to see anyone blast anyone else, which is truly
refreshing. Imagine -- an entire conversation about flying without
anyone shouting "f*ckwit" ??

It's sad to think that there are now so few threads here that aren't
polluted with that kind of crap. Aside from it taking people's
attention away from talking about piloting, it's just depressing to
read stuff like that every day.

Happy New Year, Larry. I never thought I'd say this, but I really do
miss the days when the biggest aggravation here was you lecturing
against pilots drinking beer...

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Rich Ahrens[_2_]]

Jay Honeck wrote:
> And I have yet to see anyone blast anyone else, which is truly
> refreshing. Imagine -- an entire conversation about flying without
> anyone shouting "f*ckwit" ??

Still can't figure out a killfile, I take it.

> It's sad to think that there are now so few threads here that aren't
> polluted with that kind of crap. Aside from it taking people's
> attention away from talking about piloting, it's just depressing to
> read stuff like that every day.

Pot, kettle, black. Your off-topic political views smeared across
threads far and wide are just as polluting and off-topic, not to mention
your never-ending self-promotion.

[Rich Ahrens[_2_]]

Jay Honeck wrote:
>> How could you not know about flying while growing up?
>
> It's not that I didn't know about flying -- I think many kids are
> enamored with the notion of being in the sky. I was, too, from the
> very first time I flew on a Boing 707, in 1962.
>
> But that's a whole different thing than knowing how to get from "Boy,
> is that cool" to "Boy, I could *do* that!" Neither of my parents
> attended college, both grew up in the Depression, and flying was just
> not something that anyone in my family ever considered doing. As a
> result, it was never mentioned as anything within the realm of
> possibility.

And you were too thick-headed to imagine it on your own, I take it. And
too lazy to bother researching the notion even if you did.

[F. Baum]

On Jan 1, 11:39*am, Jay Honeck > wrote:
> > But it's not Usenet.
>
> Is that a bad thing?

In your case it is. How do you think they will take to you advertising
your motel over there?
>
> So far, I've been very impressed with the other forum. *There are
> clearly some highly experienced, positive and upbeat people there --
> some of whom I recognize from this group in years past.

If you are that impressed,,,,,,,,;)

>
> And I have yet to see anyone blast anyone else, which is truly
> refreshing. *Imagine -- an entire conversation about flying without
> anyone shouting "f*ckwit" ??

Funny, In the past week alone you have called posters "Asshole",
"Jerkoff", and "Troll". Why go over there and ruin a good thing.
>
> It's sad to think that there are now so few threads here that aren't
> polluted with that kind of crap.

Its sad to think that people like you abuse this list, and then
complain about the abuses on this list.

>
> Happy New Year, Larry. *I never thought I'd say this, but I really do
> miss the days when the biggest aggravation here was you lecturing
> against pilots drinking beer...

Ill drink to that.
>
> ;-(
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"

[Matt Whiting]

Jay Honeck wrote:
>> How could you not know about flying while growing up?
>
> It's not that I didn't know about flying -- I think many kids are
> enamored with the notion of being in the sky. I was, too, from the
> very first time I flew on a Boing 707, in 1962.
>
> But that's a whole different thing than knowing how to get from "Boy,
> is that cool" to "Boy, I could *do* that!" Neither of my parents
> attended college, both grew up in the Depression, and flying was just
> not something that anyone in my family ever considered doing. As a
> result, it was never mentioned as anything within the realm of
> possibility.

Pretty much the same here. And my mother hates flying and has only
flown once in her life. She felt she had to fly with me once after I
got my private and so she made ONE trip around the pattern and never
looked outside the airplane! She was dead set against me flying, but
I'm not one to be easily deterred. :-)


> In my family the notion of owning your own airplane, or flying the
> family from coast to coast, was so far "out there" as to be in the
> realm of Buck Rogers. No one talked about it because, quite frankly,
> my family was just as ignorant about general aviation as 98% of the
> country is today.

After reading about Lindy when I was probably 9 or 10, I figured
anything was possible in a small airplane!


> What we need to do, as pilot-mentors, is let kids know that flying is
> attainable. In order to do that, we must let the public know that
> regular guys and gals are learning to fly right every day, right in
> their hometowns. Once they know that schnooks like US can do it,
> that'll be one less hurdle for them to clear between the road and the
> runway.

I don't at all disagree with the mentorship concept, however, I don't
think that is the crux of our problems today. Flying is simply getting
so regulated, so expensive and so controlled by lawyers and insurance
companies, that it isn't the same experience it was even 30 years ago
when I started let alone 60 years ago when my instructor started.

And it does take a fair bit of attention span for someone, especially a
teen, to get their license. If they don't have some innate drive and
desire to do so, then all of the mentorship in the world won't matter.
It sounds like in your case it would have made a difference, but for me
I was always self-motivated and learned on my own what I needed to know
and then just went for it. A mentor would have added nothing to me.

Matt

[Matt Whiting]

Larry Dighera wrote:
> On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 22:32:51 -0800 (PST), Jay Honeck
> > wrote in
> >:
>
>> "The Aviation Forum", and it's a moderated group of
>> enthusiastic, positive, upbeat pilots. See it here: http://www.aviationforum.org
>
> It looks like it's run by a pilot:

The biggest downside I see is that it has a similar user interface as
does the BMW LT forum and one or two others I visit now and then. I
find the interface a pain to use as compared to good old usenet. I
found after a couple of weeks I visited the BMW forum less and less
whereas I've used usenet for probably 20 years now and haven't tired of
it yet and the interface is inherently simple to use and most
newsreaders don't add unnecessary complication.

Matt

[Bertie the Bunyip]

On 1 Jan, 17:31, Rich Ahrens > wrote:
> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
> > "F. Baum" > wrote in news:e1e843a1-91b0-4251-81b9-
> > :
>
> >> On Jan 1, 8:33 am, Rich Ahrens > wrote:
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> On Dec 31 2007, 2:01 pm, "F. Baum" > wrote:
> >>>> **** YOU! This is probably one of the LEAST "self-absorbed" people in
> >>>> this newsgroup.
> >>> What planet do you live on?
> >> Rich, this guy has made one post here and 6 posts over at
> >> ALT.DRUGS.HARD. I think the poor guy has issues.
> >> Frank
>
> > But ast least Jay has found a new supporter.
>
> > I had a look at his posts over ot alt.drugs.hard
>
> > Yipes!
>
> Wow - wanting to do methadone recreationally and expecting it to improve
> his work performance. Jay attracts the finest type. Maybe the guy works
> in housekeeping for him

Snort!


Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip]

On 1 Jan, 06:32, Jay Honeck > wrote:
> > I wish everyone would take the attitude of, "If you don't have something
> > nice to say, don't say anything."
>
> I think I've found a land where this attitude prevails, Jim. *It's
> called "The Aviation Forum", and it's a moderated group of
> enthusiastic, positive, upbeat pilots. *See it here:http://www.aviationforum.org


l;ooks greast I signed up straight away!


Thanks Jay!

Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip]

Hey jay, what's your username? I need it for a reference.

Kisses

Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip]

On 1 Jan, 15:20, "F. Baum" > wrote:
> On Dec 31 2007, 11:32*pm, Jay Honeck > wrote:
>
> > I think I've found a land where this attitude prevails, Jim. *It's
> > called "The Aviation Forum", and it's a moderated group of
> > enthusiastic, positive, upbeat pilots. *See it here:http://www.aviationforum.org
>
> Jay, ask the moderators if they will put up with 50 to 60 threads on
> the same subject. See if they will endure endless OT discusion. Check
> on their tolerance of profanities. ;)
>
> *Jay Honeck
>
>
>
> > Iowa City, IA
> > Pathfinder N56993www.AlexisParkInn.com
> > "Your Aviation Destination"- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Hey Jay Bit of luck!
I know the owner fo the site.

Don't need the ref after all.

Thanks anyway.

Bertie

[Mxsmanic]

Rich Ahrens writes:

> And you were too thick-headed to imagine it on your own, I take it. And
> too lazy to bother researching the notion even if you did.

A lack of omniscience is not synonymous with thick-headedness. We only know
about things to which we are exposed. There are many wonderful things in the
world (and equally many not-so-wonderful things) that we never learn about
simply because they are never brought to our attention.

If aviation were actively promoted to everyone, there would be far more pilots
in the world. However, the huge economic and bureaucratic obstacles to
piloting would still limit the numbers. You would never see aircraft and
pilots as common as cars, unless they were just as cheap and easy to drive.

[Bertie the Bunyip]

On 1 Jan, 22:22, Mxsmanic > wrote:
> Rich Ahrens writes:
> > And you were too thick-headed to imagine it on your own, I take it. And
> > too lazy to bother researching the notion even if you did.
>
> A lack of omniscience is not synonymous with thick-headedness. *We only know
> about things to which we are exposed. *

So, you know about filth cockroaches and peanut butter and jelly
sandwhiches, period.

Thenkew

Bertie

[[email protected]]

On Jan 1, 10:54*am, "F. Baum" > wrote:
> On Jan 1, 9:37*am, Matt Whiting > wrote:
>
>
>
> > Happy New Year to you also!
>
> > It must suck to be you.
>
> With all the partying I did last nite, right now it does in fact "Suck
> to be me".

Maybe you should come on over to alt.drugs.hard, then? Many consider
the drugs you, and millions of others did last night, to indeed be
pretty "hard." BTW the drugs I used to do have almost no "sucks to be
me" type of after-effects (aka hangover).

George

[F. Baum]

On Jan 1, 9:59*am, Matt Whiting > wrote:
> > On Dec 31 2007, 11:32 pm, Jay Honeck > wrote:
> >> I think I've found a land where this attitude prevails, Jim. *It's
> >> called "The Aviation Forum", and it's a moderated group of
> >> enthusiastic, positive, upbeat pilots. *See it here:http://www.aviationforum.org
>
> > Jay, ask the moderators if they will put up with 50 to 60 threads on
> > the same subject. See if they will endure endless OT discusion. Check
> > on their tolerance of profanities. ;)
>
> My guess is they won't let you join so no need for Jay to check on this
> for you. *:-)
>
> Matt
Matt, I wouldnt join a group that would have me as a member ;)
Actually, I checked that group out and I know one of the guys that
moderates the airline forum. I only have the time and energy for one
list and this is it. The only reason I come here is to keep up with
what is going on with GA . I do alot of GA flying, but I dont read any
of the GA magazines. I appreciate some of the links and the insights
from other GA pilots. Id be happy just to lurk here but I got caught
up in the circus atmosphere.
Jay OTOH stikes me as one of these people who has to validate himself
by constantly parading his aviation exploits in front of everyone. He
is the kind of guy who needs lists like these. Look at the way he
theatens to leave but doesnt. I feel sorry for him.

[Rich Ahrens[_2_]]

wrote:
> Maybe you should come on over to alt.drugs.hard, then? Many consider
> the drugs you, and millions of others did last night, to indeed be
> pretty "hard." BTW the drugs I used to do have almost no "sucks to be
> me" type of after-effects (aka hangover).

Used to do? Only two weeks ago you wrote:

> I've been doing 30-40mg Norco (brand name) at a time on & off for a
> few days (once or twice a day) & I suddenly have access to some 10mg
> Methadone.
> Is $5 a piece a fair price?
> I have never done Methadone before. Should I do 10mg or 20mg or more?
> I would describe my tolerance as low to medium right now b/c of the
> Norco I've been doing for about a week.
> I have heard some good things about Methadone and also have heard that
> it can be dangerous, hence my asking before doing.
> What can I expect? A high similar to the Norco at 10-40mg Methadone?
> Or stronger?
> Approx. how long will it last? I've heard it can last many hours.
> What are the drowsiness effects as I will be going to work after
> taking it (maybe).

And going to work high sounds like a longterm habit, since you also wrote:

> Oh - and let me add that several years ago I was shooting (IM, not IV)
> morphine sulphate obtained out of PCA vials at the hospital I worked
> at. I'm trying to remember the mg per ml on the bottles....I'll just
> take a guess, 5mg per ml? That sounds about right BUT could be way off
> as that was years ago.
> Anyway, I used to IM about 10 - 15 ml of the stuff, sometimes approx.
> daily. I started out drinking it (yuck, but it becomes an attractive
> taste) but ended up IMing with the limitless availability of brand new
> needles.

So, stealing opiates, shooting them, now doing hydrocodone
recreationally, looking to move up to methadone, and planning to work
under the influence...have you considered working in talk radio???

[Bob Noel]

In article >,
"F. Baum" > wrote:

> Jay OTOH stikes me as one of these people who has to validate himself
> by constantly parading his aviation exploits in front of everyone. He
> is the kind of guy who needs lists like these. Look at the way he
> theatens to leave but doesnt. I feel sorry for him.

And what is shown by your constant need to jump on Jay?

--
Bob Noel
(goodness, please trim replies!!!)

[Mortimer Schnerd, RN[_2_]]

Rich Ahrens wrote:
> So, stealing opiates, shooting them, now doing hydrocodone
> recreationally, looking to move up to methadone, and planning to work
> under the influence...have you considered working in talk radio???


BWAHAHAHA! I work in orthopedics and can't wait until I get this guy after an
automobile accident. Due to his **** poor planning, nothing on this planet is
going to relieve his pain. Nothing.

He's already had his fun.




--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com

[Rich Ahrens[_2_]]

Mortimer Schnerd, RN wrote:
> Rich Ahrens wrote:
>> So, stealing opiates, shooting them, now doing hydrocodone
>> recreationally, looking to move up to methadone, and planning to work
>> under the influence...have you considered working in talk radio???
>
> BWAHAHAHA! I work in orthopedics and can't wait until I get this guy after an
> automobile accident. Due to his **** poor planning, nothing on this planet is
> going to relieve his pain. Nothing.
>
> He's already had his fun.

Yeah, but he won't even make a decent donor, will he?

[Morgans[_2_]]

"Bob Noel" > wrote in message
...
> In article
> >,
> "F. Baum" > wrote:
>
>> Jay OTOH stikes me as one of these people who has to validate himself
>> by constantly parading his aviation exploits in front of everyone. He
>> is the kind of guy who needs lists like these. Look at the way he
>> theatens to leave but doesnt. I feel sorry for him.
>
> And what is shown by your constant need to jump on Jay?

Nothing. That is the mark of a real troll, like bertie. Jump, and keep
jumping on every post from someone you have a hard-on for.

My advise is to use your kill file, and don't look back. The fewer replies,
the better...

Isn't it time for everyone to develop some self discipline? How about
making that our combined new year's resolution?

What say ye all?
--
Jim in NC

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

"Morgans" > wrote in
:

>
> "Bob Noel" > wrote in message
> ...
>> In article
>> >,
>> "F. Baum" > wrote:
>>
>>> Jay OTOH stikes me as one of these people who has to validate
>>> himself by constantly parading his aviation exploits in front of
>>> everyone. He is the kind of guy who needs lists like these. Look at
>>> the way he theatens to leave but doesnt. I feel sorry for him.
>>
>> And what is shown by your constant need to jump on Jay?
>
> Nothing. That is the mark of a real troll, like bertie. Jump, and
> keep jumping on every post from someone you have a hard-on for.
>
> My advise is to use your kill file, and don't look back. The fewer
> replies, the better...
>
> Isn't it time for everyone to develop some self discipline? How about
> making that our combined new year's resolution?
>
> What say ye all?

never happen. Never does.


Bertie

[[email protected]]

On Jan 1, 6:30*pm, Rich Ahrens > wrote:
> wrote:
> > Maybe you should come on over to alt.drugs.hard, then? Many consider
> > the drugs you, and millions of others did last night, to indeed be
> > pretty "hard." BTW the drugs I used to do have almost no "sucks to be
> > me" type of after-effects (aka hangover).
>
> Used to do? Only two weeks ago you wrote:
>
> > I've been doing 30-40mg Norco (brand name) at a time on & off for a
> > few days (once or twice a day) & I suddenly have access to some 10mg
> > Methadone.
> > Is $5 a piece a fair price?
> > I have never done Methadone before. Should I do 10mg or 20mg or more?
> > I would describe my tolerance as low to medium right now b/c of the
> > Norco I've been doing for about a week.
> > I have heard some good things about Methadone and also have heard that
> > it can be dangerous, hence my asking before doing.
> > What can I expect? A high similar to the Norco at 10-40mg Methadone?
> > Or stronger?
> > Approx. how long will it last? I've heard it can last many hours.
> > What are the drowsiness effects as I will be going to work after
> > taking it (maybe).
>
> And going to work high sounds like a longterm habit, since you also wrote:
>
> > Oh - and let me add that several years ago I was shooting (IM, not IV)
> > morphine sulphate obtained out of PCA vials at the hospital I worked
> > at. I'm trying to remember the mg per ml on the bottles....I'll just
> > take a guess, 5mg per ml? That sounds about right BUT could be way off
> > as that was years ago.
> > Anyway, I used to IM about 10 - 15 ml of the stuff, sometimes approx.
> > daily. I started out drinking it (yuck, but it becomes an attractive
> > taste) but ended up IMing with the limitless availability of brand new
> > needles.
>
> So, stealing opiates, shooting them, now doing hydrocodone
> recreationally, looking to move up to methadone, and planning to work
> under the influence...have you considered working in talk radio???

Funny you left out the part about my using norco (hydrocodone) for
legitimate pain, more specifically a ruptured disk in my lumbar
spine.
I do not use it recreationally although I do enjoy the high the opiate
gives. I live in nearly constant moderate to severe pain as any here
with this condition will testify.
I have norco under prescription and recently had the opportunity to
use methadone which is sometimes prescribed for patients in severe
pain. Albeit the methadone was going to be obtained illegally, I was
rather desperate for relief. I went to the drugs group to get an idea
of the methadone experience, well aware that hard drug users could
offer first-hand experience for someone like me. I know methadone to
be a powerful & dangerous drug so I wanted advice & experience.
Because of that advice, and due to the fact that I don't want to
obtain the stuff illegally, I decided not to buy it or do it.
Without going into a lot of needless detail, it is a fact that opiates
are one of few drugs that in their pure form cause little physical
harm to the human body. They also do not retard ones abilities to
think or act critically. The comment about opiates improving work
performance is, in fact, highly accurate, though presently I would
never jepordize my career by being under the influence of any drug in
the workplace or on the job.

Yes, I am a former drug addict who has been technically clean for
several years. My norco stays in the hands of a trusted non-user
friend who dispenses to me as prescribed and as needed. I do not want
to ever go back into the nightmare of addiction, especially with a new
path in my aviation career about to open in front of me.

Please forgive this lurker for the rudeness and cursing at F. Baum
last night. I thought his insensitivity was over-the-top to Jay, I got
****ed off and lost my cool. I have lurked here many years and posted
ocassionally under different I.D.s. I am not one of Jay's
housekeepers. I make a comfortable living as a senior instructor &
staff member of a well-known part 141 school. I also am an A&P who
will soon earn my IA and be moving on to a very different arena in
aviation, one with far less physical work and much higher pay.

Gotta love that,

George

[[email protected]]

On Jan 1, 8:22*pm, "Mortimer Schnerd, RN" <mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com>
wrote:

>*Due to his **** poor planning, nothing on this planet is
> going to relieve his pain. *Nothing.

10mg norco 1-2 prn back pain does me just fine right now, thanks.
Presently I take 1-2 every few days so my tolerance should be just
fine when you're my nurse after my auto accident. Whatever the doc
orders you to give me for pain will work just fine since I'm clean and
have been for a few years now, excepting the prescribed norco (which
isn't even in this ex-addicts hands, a friend keeps it for me).
My "**** poor planning" has caused me to decide against doing illegal
methadone & any other drugs for that matter.

> Mortimer Schnerd, RN
> mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

A
> housekeepers. I make a comfortable living as a senior instructor &
> staff member of a well-known part 141 school. I also am an A&P who
> will soon earn my IA and be moving on to a very different arena in
> aviation, one with far less physical work and much higher pay.
>

Oh great, another delusional manager.

Bertie

[F. Baum]

On Jan 1, 6:37*pm, Bob Noel >
wrote:
>
> > Jay OTOH stikes me as one of these people who has to validate himself
> > by constantly parading his aviation exploits in front of everyone. He
> > is the kind of guy who needs lists like these. Look at the way he
> > theatens to leave but doesnt. I feel sorry for him.
>
> And what is shown by your constant need to jump on Jay?

The guy abuses this list. Go back and take a look where JH has
"Jumped" on me.
>
> --
> Bob Noel
> (goodness, please trim replies!!!)

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

"F. Baum" > wrote in news:268c4b80-d03a-4ac8-8647-
:

> On Jan 1, 6:37*pm, Bob Noel >
> wrote:
>>
>> > Jay OTOH stikes me as one of these people who has to validate himself
>> > by constantly parading his aviation exploits in front of everyone. He
>> > is the kind of guy who needs lists like these. Look at the way he
>> > theatens to leave but doesnt. I feel sorry for him.
>>
>> And what is shown by your constant need to jump on Jay?
>
> The guy abuses this list. Go back and take a look where JH has
> "Jumped" on me.
>>
>> --

Xactly.

Bertie

[Larry Dighera]

On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 10:29:36 -0800 (PST), Jay Honeck
> wrote in
>:

>> How could you not know about flying while growing up?
>
>It's not that I didn't know about flying -- I think many kids are
>enamored with the notion of being in the sky. I was, too, from the
>very first time I flew on a Boing 707, in 1962.
>
>But that's a whole different thing than knowing how to get from "Boy,
>is that cool" to "Boy, I could *do* that!"

There are those persons who believe the skills required to safely
pilot an aircraft may exceed their natural abilities, and that keeps
them from pursuing an airmans certificate. That is why the
introductory flight is so important. Unfortunately, there is a
chicken/egg situation, where one must believe that they have the
requisite native ability before they take a demo flight, but that
belief is not possible, because they don't have know how much talent
is actually required.

[Jay Honeck]

> Unfortunately, there is a
> chicken/egg situation, where one must believe that they have the
> requisite native ability before they take a demo flight, but that
> belief is not possible, because they don't have know how much talent
> is actually required.

Yep. The bottom line is that kids can't know what they don't know.
It's up to us to show them the way.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck]

> The guy abuses this list. Go back and take a look where JH has
> "Jumped" on me.

I'm sorry if I've ever hurt your feelings here. The only harsh words
I've ever written here have been in response to what I perceived to be
personal attacks, either on myself or others.

Off-topic posts don't bother me -- they're easily ignored. Foul
language, while unnecessary, doesn't bother me. Stupid questions
don't bother me, either. But personal attacks on other posters,
combined with mindless, repetitive, single-word responses (as in
Bertie's all-to-familar "****wit!") are simply not worth the
bandwidth. Worse, they make all pilots look bad to any newbies who
may be lurking here.

Until recently your contributions here have been well-done and
valuable, and I truly don't understand your new-found need to
personally attack me, or Jim, or anyone else here.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck]

> > It looks like it's run by a pilot:
>
> The biggest downside I see is that it has a similar user interface as
> does the BMW LT forum and one or two others I visit now and then. *I
> find the interface a pain to use as compared to good old usenet. *I
> found after a couple of weeks I visited the BMW forum less and less
> whereas I've used usenet for probably 20 years now and haven't tired of
> it yet and the interface is inherently simple to use and most
> newsreaders don't add unnecessary complication.

Agree. I belong to several aviation forums, and they all try to
"improve" upon the format of Usenet by adding lots of whiz-bang
features. (Avatars, buddy lists, etc.) Unfortunately, all of this
stuff just gobs up the works, and makes the real fun of posting and
reading posts more of a chore.

Ease of use is what keeps Usenet popular in the face of many other
options.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Jay Honeck > wrote in news:06f67c8f-e08f-4230-8092-
:

>> The guy abuses this list. Go back and take a look where JH has
>> "Jumped" on me.
>
> I'm sorry if I've ever hurt your feelings here. The only harsh words
> I've ever written here have been in response to what I perceived to be
> personal attacks, either on myself or others.


That is a lie

>
> Off-topic posts don't bother me -- they're easily ignored.


Also a lie unless you're tlaking about your own endless drivel.

Foul
> language, while unnecessary, doesn't bother me. Stupid questions
> don't bother me, either.

just as well.


But personal attacks on other posters,
> combined with mindless, repetitive, single-word responses (as in
> Bertie's all-to-familar "****wit!") are simply not worth the
> bandwidth. Worse, they make all pilots look bad to any newbies who
> may be lurking here.
>


I disagree, you make pilots look like idiotic sops who think a few
purchases from the NASM gift shop make them aviatiors.


Bertie


Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Jay Honeck > wrote in news:a925adc9-8d1e-49b5-b7ab-
:

>> > It looks like it's run by a pilot:
>>
>> The biggest downside I see is that it has a similar user interface as
>> does the BMW LT forum and one or two others I visit now and then. *I
>> find the interface a pain to use as compared to good old usenet. *I
>> found after a couple of weeks I visited the BMW forum less and less
>> whereas I've used usenet for probably 20 years now and haven't tired of
>> it yet and the interface is inherently simple to use and most
>> newsreaders don't add unnecessary complication.
>
> Agree. I belong to several aviation forums, and they all try to
> "improve" upon the format of Usenet by adding lots of whiz-bang
> features. (Avatars, buddy lists, etc.) Unfortunately, all of this
> stuff just gobs up the works, and makes the real fun of posting and
> reading posts more of a chore.
>
> Ease of use is what keeps Usenet popular in the face of many other
> options.


And idiots like you to chew on is what keeps me coming back.

Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Jay Honeck > wrote in news:06f67c8f-e08f-4230-8092-
:


repetitive, single-word responses (as in
> Bertie's all-to-familar "****wit!") are simply not worth the
> bandwidth.


So try and stop me Fjukkwit.


Oh wait, you have.

Not working out too good for you is it?

Bertie

[Larry Dighera]

On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 10:39:17 -0800 (PST), Jay Honeck
> wrote in
>:

[suggestion that participants in rec.aviation.piloting move to
moderated web-based forum to escape the recent influx of noise
snipped]

>> But it's not Usenet.
>
>Is that a bad thing?

To the extent that it spreads the participant contributed
informational content among several separate repositories, it
undermines locating the information sought in searches. If there is
only one central venue for participation, all users have access to all
information, and a single deja.com database query will return ALL
matching data. If there are many separate repositories, much
information will not be found even if several databases are
individually queried. Fractictionalizing the information in the name
of eliminating the chaff has a price.

But if all a participant wants to do is kibitz, without contributing
to a compilation of useful information, web-based forums may be
appropriate. As conceived, Usenet is for posting articles with
informational content, but the mechanism for educating its novice
participants (A mandatory visit to news.announce.newusers before being
able to post articles) has sadly disappeared.

[snip]

>
>Happy New Year, Larry. I never thought I'd say this, but I really do
>miss the days when the biggest aggravation here was you lecturing
>against pilots drinking beer...
>
>;-)

Of course I didn't do that, but I understand what you're saying.

As I recall, the source of the present influx of noise was at least
partially a result of some participant in this newsgroup suggesting
that we all bolster his voice-in-the-wilderness in arguing with
anti-noise zealots in another newsgroup. Action, reaction. Foolish.

There is a certain tyranny of the individual, such as those at the
head of the line, or the driver moving slower than the flow of traffic
on the road, who, though undeserving of it, finds he has the power to
bring a given system to its knees. Some ineffectual individuals
secretly revel in the joy of their power over others, some are just
oblivious to the result of their (in)actions, and some are mean and
angry at the world. But for whatever reason, they all need to be
shown the error of their ways by those who are negatively impacted;
you know, peer pressure. (Other, more imposing actions may be more
objectionable than the behavior they are attempting to quash.)

It's a clumsy process and often ineffective, but if a situation is to
improve, the perpetrator must be exposed, confronted and made to
suffer the wrath of ALL those who choose not to endure the tyranny of
the individual. As I see it, that, intervention by authorities, and
boredom are the only hope for change.

The true culprit in this case is alt.net who provide anonymous Usenet
posting under the thin guise of free-speech. (You'll notice that that
is the site, other than GoogleGroups, where most of the Usenet abuse
such as Mr. Bunny's and MI5's originates.

Alt.net is apparently immune to the normal remedies for rogue Usenet
nodes: revocation of access to upstream article injection servers,
Usenet Death Penalty, ... So it would take some sort of overwhelming,
coordinated effort by all those users negatively impacted by alt.net's
refusal to police spam, profane, and off-topic Usenet articles
emanating from the users licensed to use their system. The
administrator/owner of alt net is reveling in the power and attention
he enjoys as a tyrannical abuser of Usenet. But who possesses the
charisma and knowledge to effectively unite all the affected users to
actively participate in a unified action against alt.net? Alt.net
freely admits, that they don't read the abuse e-mail messages they
receive. I guess it takes all kinds ....

In over two decades of participation in Usenet, I've seen 'em come and
go. Unfortunately, the bad seem to drive out the good. Remember
George Patterson, Pete Duniho, Wally Roberts, John T. Lowry, John R.
Johnson, Wes Grady, Mary Shafer, ... ?

[Larry Dighera]

On Tue, 01 Jan 2008 20:54:00 GMT, Matt Whiting >
wrote in >:

>I've used usenet for probably 20 years now and haven't tired of
>it yet and the interface is inherently simple to use and most
>newsreaders don't add unnecessary complication.

The most objectionable thing I find about web-based forums, other than
their potential ability to drain talent from Usenet, and the omission
of their content from deja.com searches, is the lack of a database of
articles that I've posted. I like to have an accurate record of what
I've posted.

[Larry Dighera]

On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 16:13:36 -0800 (PST), "F. Baum" >
wrote in
>:

>I only have the time and energy for one
>list and this is it. The only reason I come here is to keep up with
>what is going on with GA . I do alot of GA flying, but I dont read any
>of the GA magazines. I appreciate some of the links and the insights
>from other GA pilots. Id be happy just to lurk here but I got caught
>up in the circus atmosphere.
>Jay OTOH stikes me as one of these people who has to validate himself
>by constantly parading his aviation exploits in front of everyone.

You, and indeed all of us, might consider also starting message
threads containing INFORMATION you are able to contribute. That is
the ONLY sure way to improve the newsgroup's signal-to-noise ratio.

[Larry Dighera]

On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 00:07:45 -0500, "Morgans"
> wrote in >:

>Isn't it time for everyone to develop some self discipline? How about
>making that our combined new year's resolution?
>
>What say ye all?


Aye!

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Larry Dighera > wrote in
:

> On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 00:07:45 -0500, "Morgans"
> > wrote in >:
>
>>Isn't it time for everyone to develop some self discipline? How about
>>making that our combined new year's resolution?
>>
>>What say ye all?
>
>
> Aye!
>

I'll beleive that when I see it.

You've got off to a bad start with the "me too" post there ljarry.

Bertie

[Martin Hotze[_2_]]

Jay Honeck schrieb:

> Agree. I belong to several aviation forums, and they all try to
> "improve" upon the format of Usenet by adding lots of whiz-bang
> features. (Avatars, buddy lists, etc.) Unfortunately, all of this
> stuff just gobs up the works, and makes the real fun of posting and
> reading posts more of a chore.
>
> Ease of use is what keeps Usenet popular in the face of many other
> options.

And this is why you use google-groups?

#m
--
I am not a terrorist <http://www.casualdisobedience.com/>

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Martin Hotze > wrote in news:flggdu$mdr$3
@kirk.hotze.com:

> Jay Honeck schrieb:
>
>> Agree. I belong to several aviation forums, and they all try to
>> "improve" upon the format of Usenet by adding lots of whiz-bang
>> features. (Avatars, buddy lists, etc.) Unfortunately, all of this
>> stuff just gobs up the works, and makes the real fun of posting and
>> reading posts more of a chore.
>>
>> Ease of use is what keeps Usenet popular in the face of many other
>> options.
>
> And this is why you use google-groups?


what else would he use?


Bertie

[Rich Ahrens[_2_]]

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
> Martin Hotze > wrote in news:flggdu$mdr$3
> @kirk.hotze.com:
>
>> Jay Honeck schrieb:
>>
>>> Agree. I belong to several aviation forums, and they all try to
>>> "improve" upon the format of Usenet by adding lots of whiz-bang
>>> features. (Avatars, buddy lists, etc.) Unfortunately, all of this
>>> stuff just gobs up the works, and makes the real fun of posting and
>>> reading posts more of a chore.
>>>
>>> Ease of use is what keeps Usenet popular in the face of many other
>>> options.
>> And this is why you use google-groups?
>
>
> what else would he use?

I'd say AOL was more his speed. Or better yet, Prodigy if it were still
around in the U.S. He'd love their censorial practices.

[John Mazor[_2_]]

> wrote in message
...

>Without going into a lot of needless detail, it is a fact that opiates
are one of few drugs that in their pure form cause little physical
harm to the human body.

Maybe, but

All Things Considered, January 2, 2008 · Every year, overdoses of heroin and opiates, such
as Oxycontin, kill more drug users than AIDS, hepatitis or homicide.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=17578955

You presumably were talking about legally prescribed dosages and not OD's, but even at
that, your statement is a bit too narrow to let pass without adding some clarifying wider
context for the reader.

[Rich Ahrens[_2_]]

wrote:
> Funny you left out the part about my using norco (hydrocodone) for
> legitimate pain, more specifically a ruptured disk in my lumbar
> spine.
> I do not use it recreationally although I do enjoy the high the opiate
> gives. I live in nearly constant moderate to severe pain as any here
> with this condition will testify.

No, you left that part out. You made no mention of such circumstances in
your previous posts, and I frankly don't believe you now.

> I have norco under prescription and recently had the opportunity to
> use methadone which is sometimes prescribed for patients in severe
> pain. Albeit the methadone was going to be obtained illegally, I was
> rather desperate for relief. I went to the drugs group to get an idea
> of the methadone experience, well aware that hard drug users could
> offer first-hand experience for someone like me. I know methadone to
> be a powerful & dangerous drug so I wanted advice & experience.
> Because of that advice, and due to the fact that I don't want to
> obtain the stuff illegally, I decided not to buy it or do it.

Right. You wanted it for pain relief. That would explain why you wrote:

"I am mainly in experiencing the high Methadone may or may
not give so any pointers or experience would be appreciated."

And:

"Is crushing better or snorting or swallowing whole? I have been under
the impression that chewing or crushing causes a faster hit and not as
long an effect with the Norco."

That really sounds like someone seeking effective pain relief rather
than recreation...
[i]
> Without going into a lot of needless detail, it is a fact that opiates
> are one of few drugs that in their pure form cause little physical
> harm to the human body. They also do not retard ones abilities to
> think or act critically.

Uh huh. That would explain why of those experts you consulted said of
the methadone experience:

"What you can expect: to be totally, utterly trashed, and drooling for
two, maybe three days. To keep finding yourself waking up standing
somewhere with no idea how you got there or how many hours you've been
standing there. If you drive a car, you can expect to drive off the
road, fall asleep and drive into a parked car, or get into a head-on
collision. If you decide to get out of your chair to go to the
bathroom, expect the process to take between four and six hours."

Sounds like excellent job performance, both thinking and acting
critically...

> The comment about opiates improving work
> performance is, in fact, highly accurate, though presently I would
> never jepordize my career by being under the influence of any drug in
> the workplace or on the job.

Which explains why you wrote:

"What are the drowsiness effects as I will be going to work after
taking it (maybe). On Norco my work performance is somewhat higher (no
pun intended), will 'done' be similar?"

Clearly no intention (or current experience) of working under the
influence there...

> Yes, I am a former drug addict who has been technically clean for
> several years. My norco stays in the hands of a trusted non-user
> friend who dispenses to me as prescribed and as needed. I do not want
> to ever go back into the nightmare of addiction, especially with a new
> path in my aviation career about to open in front of me.
>
> Please forgive this lurker for the rudeness and cursing at F. Baum
> last night. I thought his insensitivity was over-the-top to Jay, I got
> ****ed off and lost my cool.

Oh, anger issues on top of everything else, eh? Perfect for that
aviation career you claim.

> I have lurked here many years and posted
> ocassionally under different I.D.s. I am not one of Jay's
> housekeepers. I make a comfortable living as a senior instructor &
> staff member of a well-known part 141 school. I also am an A&P who
> will soon earn my IA and be moving on to a very different arena in
> aviation, one with far less physical work and much higher pay.

Oh yeah, that's *real* believable. And if it were true, I'd stay as far
as possible away from any school or shop that employed you. A guy who
enjoys getting high on opiates on the job and fails to recognize the
negative impact is not the person I want working on any machinery I'm
going to depend on to keep me alive. Or to teach anyone I would so
depend on.

Oh, and Darrell? Using the name of a decorated Marine general and ace as
your nym - smooth move!

[Jay Honeck]

> In over two decades of participation in Usenet, I've seen 'em come and
> go. *Unfortunately, the bad seem to drive out the good. *Remember
> George Patterson, Pete Duniho, Wally Roberts, John T. Lowry, John R.
> Johnson, Wes Grady, Mary Shafer, ... ?

And I can add another dozen or so names to that list. All real
people, all using their real names, all real pilots. All gone.

Not that they didn't relish a good argument -- far from it! But
rather than simply shouting people down, they preferred to win through
by using logic, superior knowledge, and a persuasive argument to carry
the day. It was...fun.

Your post makes many good points, and I thank you for posting them.
Let's hope we see a renaissance of those values here again.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Bob Noel]

In article >,
"F. Baum" > wrote:

> On Jan 1, 6:37*pm, Bob Noel >
> wrote:
> >
> > > Jay OTOH stikes me as one of these people who has to validate himself
> > > by constantly parading his aviation exploits in front of everyone. He
> > > is the kind of guy who needs lists like these. Look at the way he
> > > theatens to leave but doesnt. I feel sorry for him.
> >
> > And what is shown by your constant need to jump on Jay?
>
> The guy abuses this list. Go back and take a look where JH has
> "Jumped" on me.

You didn't answer the question.

--
Bob Noel
(goodness, please trim replies!!!)

[Dana M. Hague]

On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 06:55:44 -0800 (PST), Jay Honeck
> wrote:

>True, everyone here (well, with some exceptions) figured it out --
>eventually. In my case, however, I wasted 35 years of my life on the
>ground, gazing skyward, never realizing how truly easy and accessible
>GA was...

Hmmm, between R/C models and reading Richard Bach (the old stuff, of
course, before he got New Age weird), I never had any doubt that I'd
learn to fly (which I did, at age 16), or that it would be easy.

-Dana
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[[email protected]]

On Jan 2, 12:58*am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> A
>
> > housekeepers. I make a comfortable living as a senior instructor &
> > staff member of a well-known part 141 school. I also am an A&P who
> > will soon earn my IA and be moving on to a very different arena in
> > aviation, one with far less physical work and much higher pay.
>
> Oh great, another delusional manager.
>
> Bertie

Nope Bertie, no management for me (especially mid-level). Did you read
IA?

George

[Stella Starr[_2_]]

Jay Honeck wrote:
> http://tinyurl.com/239ane
>
> The reporter got almost every detail wrong --

I must have missed those details, because I know you and your kid, and
the story looked pretty good; names, ages, the Inn, his course of study;
What errors should be corrected?

[[email protected]]

On Jan 2, 9:20*am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:

Snipped usual ugly drivel...

Bertie, you DO give an ugly face to aviation in the context of this
group.

G

[Rich Ahrens[_2_]]

Stella Starr wrote:
> Jay Honeck wrote:
>> http://tinyurl.com/239ane
>>
>> The reporter got almost every detail wrong --
>
> I must have missed those details, because I know you and your kid, and
> the story looked pretty good; names, ages, the Inn, his course of study;
> What errors should be corrected?

The reporter quoted Jay as saying a commercial rating requires 500
hours. We're supposed to believe this was the reporter's mistake, not Jay's.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

wrote in news:9bc37499-502b-4e19-bbc0-
:

> On Jan 2, 12:58*am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> A
>>
>> > housekeepers. I make a comfortable living as a senior instructor &
>> > staff member of a well-known part 141 school. I also am an A&P who
>> > will soon earn my IA and be moving on to a very different arena in
>> > aviation, one with far less physical work and much higher pay.
>>
>> Oh great, another delusional manager.
>>
>> Bertie
>
> Nope Bertie, no management for me (especially mid-level). Did you read
> IA?
>



Yes. That's pretty scary.


Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

wrote in news:51e22a6a-1aeb-4868-94f9-8e64039509d7
@q77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com:

> On Jan 2, 9:20*am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>
> Snipped usual ugly drivel...
>
> Bertie, you DO give an ugly face to aviation in the context of this
> group.


Yeah, maybe I should go on some drugs to chill out a bit.

Which do you recommend?

Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Jay Honeck > wrote in news:acec2441-90b2-4336-9487-
:

>> In over two decades of participation in Usenet, I've seen 'em come and
>> go. *Unfortunately, the bad seem to drive out the good. *Remember
>> George Patterson, Pete Duniho, Wally Roberts, John T. Lowry, John R.
>> Johnson, Wes Grady, Mary Shafer, ... ?
>
> And I can add another dozen or so names to that list. All real
> people, all using their real names, all real pilots. All gone.


And yet you slfishly continue to post.
Tch tch.

Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Dana M. Hague <d(dash)m(dash)hague(at)comcast(dot)net> wrote in
:

> On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 06:55:44 -0800 (PST), Jay Honeck
> > wrote:
>
>>True, everyone here (well, with some exceptions) figured it out --
>>eventually. In my case, however, I wasted 35 years of my life on the
>>ground, gazing skyward, never realizing how truly easy and accessible
>>GA was...
>
> Hmmm, between R/C models and reading Richard Bach (the old stuff, of
> course, before he got New Age weird), I never had any doubt that I'd
> learn to fly (which I did, at age 16), or that it would be easy.


You could afford RC models back then?
Even a Heathkit set back then was megabucks. Unless yo were just doing
escapement or galloping ghost.


Bertie

[BDS[_2_]]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote...

> And I can add another dozen or so names to that list. All real
> people, all using their real names, all real pilots. All gone.
> Not that they didn't relish a good argument -- far from it!
> But rather than simply shouting people down, they preferred
> to win through by using logic, superior knowledge, and a persuasive
> argument to carry the day. It was...fun. Your post makes many
> good points, and I thank you for posting them. Let's hope we
> see a renaissance of those values here again.

It appears that the popular theory is that these people left because they
couldn't stand the fact that people like Bertie were allowed to post here -
doesn't seem plausible to me. A more believeable reason is that they no
longer got anything from being here - perhaps the majority of the
discussions started to trend towards fluff and/or areas they simply weren't
interested in.

You guys always like to talk about signal to noise ratio which is puzzling
to me. YOU are in control of your signal to noise ratio. If you don't care
to read posts from a particular person, DON'T! How tough is that? It's no
different from scrolling past topics you're not intersted in. Same goes for
mx - he's an argumentative character with no aviation background and he
posts to provoke more than anything else. So what? Nobody is forcing you
to read his stuff.

Every time mx posts there is a response from Bertie. I know what he is
going to say, so I typically do not read the response. At the same time I
don't get my undies all up in a bundle because he responded.

BDS

[Jay Honeck]

> > The reporter got almost every detail wrong --
>
> I must have missed those details, because I know you and your kid, and
> the story looked pretty good; names, ages, the Inn, his course of study;
> What errors should be corrected?

Gosh, where to start? The errors include...

- Referring to the certificate as a "permit"
- Referring to the checkride as a "licensing exam"
- Saying Joe was introduced to flying in a C-150 when he was 7 years
old. (Dunno WHERE he got that from.)
- Saying Joe flew at night to get his ticket
- Sayiing he flew to Burlington using no navigational aids
- Saying the oral exam was just 5 questions
- Saying the commercial requires 500 hours

The guy got just about every nuance wrong -- but luckily most of this
stuff would only be known to pilots. IMHO the overall story came
through as a positive hit for aviation.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck]

> It appears that the popular theory is that these people left because they
> couldn't stand the fact that people like Bertie were allowed to post here -
> doesn't seem plausible to me. *A more believeable reason is that they no
> longer got anything from being here - perhaps the majority of the
> discussions started to trend towards fluff and/or areas they simply weren't
> interested in.

Both theories are correct.

Having a troll in the group is similar to having a crying baby in a
nice restaurant. All intelligent conversation ceases until the
parents haul the kid out.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[F. Baum]

On Jan 2, 7:24*am, Jay Honeck > wrote:
Jay, you have probably KF'edme by now but here goes,
>
> I'm sorry if I've ever hurt your feelings here. *The only harsh words
> I've ever written here have been in response to what I perceived to be
> personal attacks, either on myself or others.
Accepted, thank you.
>
> Until recently your contributions here have been well-done and
> valuable, and I truly don't understand your new-found need to
> personally attack me, or Jim, or anyone else here.

Dont take my personal attacks personally. You made a pretty stong post
around Xmas time about the state of this group. I suggested that you
might (From time to time) foster the very problem you were complaining
about. I will go back to lurking .
F Baum

[Jay Honeck]

> Dont take my personal attacks personally.

That would make a great signature line here!

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[BDS[_2_]]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote

> Having a troll in the group is similar to having a crying baby
> in a nice restaurant. All intelligent conversation ceases until
> the parents haul the kid out.

Not really - there is no way to ignore the sound of a crying baby. I sure
wish all I would have to do is hit a delete key when our neighbor's dog is
barking in the middle of the night, or a kid is kicking the back of my seat
on the airplane, or a child is crying in the middle of the restaurant.

I suspect the real problem is frustration with a lack of control over
certain persons' presence here and at what they write, not that they are
difficult to ignore.

I probably read about 5-10% of what is posted here based on subject and
poster, and ignore certain other threads/posts for various reasons. I find
it pretty easy to do this without even using any filters.

BDS

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Jay Honeck > wrote in
:

>> It appears that the popular theory is that these people left because
>> they couldn't stand the fact that people like Bertie were allowed to
>> post here
> -
>> doesn't seem plausible to me. *A more believeable reason is that they
>> no
>
>> longer got anything from being here - perhaps the majority of the
>> discussions started to trend towards fluff and/or areas they simply
>> weren'
> t
>> interested in.
>
> Both theories are correct.
>
> Having a troll in the group is similar to having a crying baby in a
> nice restaurant. All intelligent conversation ceases until the
> parents haul the kid out.
> --

Bwawhahwhahw!

Only one crying here is you Jay.


Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Jay Honeck > wrote in news:beeda1f7-8ac2-4ce4-9ff1-
:

>> Dont take my personal attacks personally.
>
> That would make a great signature line here!


I think I'll put this in Wiki undr "hypocrite"


Bertie

[Jay Honeck]

> Not really - there is no way to ignore the sound of a crying baby. *I sure
> wish all I would have to do is hit a delete key when our neighbor's dog is
> barking in the middle of the night, or a kid is kicking the back of my seat
> on the airplane, or a child is crying in the middle of the restaurant.

Perhaps a better analogy is a toddler running up and down between the
restaurant tables. Can you ignore it? Sure -- but it definitely
detracts from the experience.

> I suspect the real problem is frustration with a lack of control over
> certain persons' presence here and at what they write, not that they are
> difficult to ignore.

Truly, there is that. It's hard to tolerate anonymous personal
attacks in a piloting group, whether they are on you or others.

I brought down the wrath of Bertie by calling him out on his absurd
obsession with our other Troll of the Year, MXManic -- and now he's
decided to be my rump ranger on every post. It's funny, in a way, but
mostly it's just sad and embarrassing to think that a guy who purports
to be a pilot could have...issues like this.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again -- I'll take a dozen MXs in
this group over a single Bertie. MX is annoying, to be sure, but in
an innocent, almost child-like way. He's an ignorant lost soul, but
he occasionally asks valid questions that benefit the group, and he
therefore deserves a modicum of respect.

Bertie, on the other hand, has pronounced time and time again that
he's a real pilot, yet he apparently chooses to keep his piloting
knowledge to himself. Instead of contributing in any sort of
constructive way, he chooses to hound MX (and me, and Larry, and
perhaps you, now) with his witless, clueless trademarked, knee-jerk
responses.

In short, he/she is an anonymous troll who *thinks* they've got the
chops to play here, but doesn't have the brains or the balls to back
it up. THAT truly deserves the wrath of every pilot in this group --
yet a poor dolt like MX gets all the attention?

There are two primary reasons for this, IMHO:

1. As noted, many regular, long-time posters have moved on, after
enduring six months of troll abuse and MX-bashing.
2. Most people put Bertie in a killfile long ago, so they don't even
see his tripe.

> I probably read about 5-10% of what is posted here based on subject and
> poster, and ignore certain other threads/posts for various reasons. *I find
> it pretty easy to do this without even using any filters.

That's easy to say, until you become the "troll target of the day".
Then it's not quite so easy to ignore.

The only silver lining to Bertie is that -- given the sheer volume and
round-the-clock nature of his posts -- there is no way he's an active
commercial pilot. At least we don't have to worry about running into
such an unstable whack job in the front seat of an airliner.

As for my New Year's Resolution, here it is: The Bunyip no long exists
in my world. I'm following Larry's example, and will no longer
discuss his presence here, nor respond to his posts. Sadly, it's time
to break out the killfile -- and I strongly suggest that everyone here
do the same as a constructive first step into 2008. We've wasted all
together too many electrons discussing this truly insignificant
annoyance.

Happy New Year!

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Jay Honeck > wrote in news:4c1ae06d-20f7-4ae0-b563-
:

>> > The reporter got almost every detail wrong --
>>
>> I must have missed those details, because I know you and your kid, and
>> the story looked pretty good; names, ages, the Inn, his course of study;
>> What errors should be corrected?
>
> Gosh, where to start? The errors include...
>
> - Referring to the certificate as a "permit"
> - Referring to the checkride as a "licensing exam"
> - Saying Joe was introduced to flying in a C-150 when he was 7 years
> old. (Dunno WHERE he got that from.)
> - Saying Joe flew at night to get his ticket
> - Sayiing he flew to Burlington using no navigational aids
> - Saying the oral exam was just 5 questions
> - Saying the commercial requires 500 hours
>
> The guy got just about every nuance wrong -- but luckily most of this
> stuff would only be known to pilots. IMHO the overall story came
> through as a positive hit for aviation.


Unlike you.


Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Jay Honeck > wrote in
:

>> Not really - there is no way to ignore the sound of a crying baby. *I
>> su
> re
>> wish all I would have to do is hit a delete key when our neighbor's
>> dog is
>
>> barking in the middle of the night, or a kid is kicking the back of
>> my sea
> t
>> on the airplane, or a child is crying in the middle of the
>> restaurant.
>
> Perhaps a better analogy is a toddler running up and down between the
> restaurant tables. Can you ignore it? Sure -- but it definitely
> detracts from the experience.
>
>> I suspect the real problem is frustration with a lack of control over
>> certain persons' presence here and at what they write, not that they
>> are difficult to ignore.
>
> Truly, there is that. It's hard to tolerate anonymous personal
> attacks in a piloting group, whether they are on you or others.
>
> I brought down the wrath of Bertie by calling him out on his absurd
> obsession with our other Troll of the Year, MXManic -- and now he's
> decided to be my rump ranger on every post. It's funny, in a way, but
> mostly it's just sad and embarrassing to think that a guy who purports
> to be a pilot could have...issues like this.
>
> I've said it before, and I'll say it again -- I'll take a dozen MXs in
> this group over a single Bertie. MX is annoying, to be sure, but in
> an innocent, almost child-like way. He's an ignorant lost soul, but
> he occasionally asks valid questions that benefit the group, and he
> therefore deserves a modicum of respect.
>
> Bertie, on the other hand, has pronounced time and time again that
> he's a real pilot, yet he apparently chooses to keep his piloting
> knowledge to himself. Instead of contributing in any sort of
> constructive way, he chooses to hound MX (and me, and Larry, and
> perhaps you, now) with his witless, clueless trademarked, knee-jerk
> responses.
>
> In short, he/she is an anonymous troll who *thinks* they've got the
> chops to play here, but doesn't have the brains or the balls to back
> it up. THAT truly deserves the wrath of every pilot in this group --
> yet a poor dolt like MX gets all the attention?
>
> There are two primary reasons for this, IMHO:
>
> 1. As noted, many regular, long-time posters have moved on, after
> enduring six months of troll abuse and MX-bashing.
> 2. Most people put Bertie in a killfile long ago, so they don't even
> see his tripe.
>
>> I probably read about 5-10% of what is posted here based on subject
>> and poster, and ignore certain other threads/posts for various
>> reasons. *I f
> ind
>> it pretty easy to do this without even using any filters.
>
> That's easy to say, until you become the "troll target of the day".
> Then it's not quite so easy to ignore.


Oh dear, you don't know much about me, do you?

Once locked on I usually keep this up for years.


>
> The only silver lining to Bertie is that -- given the sheer volume and
> round-the-clock nature of his posts -- there is no way he's an active
> commercial pilot.


Bwawhawhahwhahhwhahw


At least we don't have to worry about running into
> such an unstable whack job in the front seat of an airliner.

Yeh, right wannabe boi.

>
> As for my New Year's Resolution, here it is: The Bunyip no long exists
> in my world. I'm following Larry's example, and will no longer
> discuss his presence here, nor respond to his posts.


Good luck with that wannabe boi

BTW, you couldn't respond to my posts and you know very well why.



Bertie>

[Rich Ahrens[_2_]]

Jay Honeck wrote:
>> Not really - there is no way to ignore the sound of a crying baby. I sure
>> wish all I would have to do is hit a delete key when our neighbor's dog is
>> barking in the middle of the night, or a kid is kicking the back of my seat
>> on the airplane, or a child is crying in the middle of the restaurant.
>
> Perhaps a better analogy is a toddler running up and down between the
> restaurant tables. Can you ignore it? Sure -- but it definitely
> detracts from the experience.

Rather like your endless self-promotion and off-topic posting.

[Mxsmanic]

BDS writes:

> I suspect the real problem is frustration with a lack of control over
> certain persons' presence here and at what they write, not that they are
> difficult to ignore.

The price of freedom of speech.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> BDS writes:
>
>> I suspect the real problem is frustration with a lack of control over
>> certain persons' presence here and at what they write, not that they are
>> difficult to ignore.
>
> The price of freedom of speech.
>

And i rest my case.


Bertie

[Martin Hotze[_2_]]

Jay Honeck schrieb:
>> Not really - there is no way to ignore the sound of a crying baby. I sure
>> wish all I would have to do is hit a delete key when our neighbor's dog is
>> barking in the middle of the night, or a kid is kicking the back of my seat
>> on the airplane, or a child is crying in the middle of the restaurant.
>
> Perhaps a better analogy is a toddler running up and down between the
> restaurant tables. Can you ignore it? Sure -- but it definitely
> detracts from the experience.

You 'can' throw the toddler out through the front window of the
restaurant, but this has some nasty side effects :-)
You can't really throw somebody out of usenet, but you can throw him out
of your sight by using a/your killfile that comes with your newsreader.
I don't know if google-groups supports such features.

> 2. Most people put Bertie in a killfile long ago, so they don't even
> see his tripe.

All I 'see' is first the total amount of posts to the group and after
clicking into the group the actual amount of posts left over after the
filter did his work.

> As for my New Year's Resolution, here it is: The Bunyip no long exists
> in my world. I'm following Larry's example, and will no longer
> discuss his presence here, nor respond to his posts. Sadly, it's time

this is not the worst of ideas one can have. :-)

> to break out the killfile -- and I strongly suggest that everyone here

leaves the question if you can use this with google-groups. but there
have been pointed out many alternatives 2 U. there are many/some free
usenet-servers out there for you to use (or for a small fee if you also
want binaries), or you VPN back to your office while on the road or at
home or you use a mix of both or/and go with your usenet-client on a
usb-stick (U3-features).

#m
--
I am not a terrorist <http://www.casualdisobedience.com/>

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Martin Hotze > wrote in
:

> Jay Honeck schrieb:
>>> Not really - there is no way to ignore the sound of a crying baby.
>>> I sure wish all I would have to do is hit a delete key when our
>>> neighbor's dog is barking in the middle of the night, or a kid is
>>> kicking the back of my seat on the airplane, or a child is crying in
>>> the middle of the restaurant.
>>
>> Perhaps a better analogy is a toddler running up and down between the
>> restaurant tables. Can you ignore it? Sure -- but it definitely
>> detracts from the experience.
>
> You 'can' throw the toddler out through the front window of the
> restaurant, but this has some nasty side effects :-)
> You can't really throw somebody out of usenet, but you can throw him
> out of your sight by using a/your killfile that comes with your
> newsreader. I don't know if google-groups supports such features.
>
>> 2. Most people put Bertie in a killfile long ago, so they don't even
>> see his tripe.
>
> All I 'see' is first the total amount of posts to the group and after
> clicking into the group the actual amount of posts left over after the
> filter did his work.
>
>> As for my New Year's Resolution, here it is: The Bunyip no long
>> exists in my world. I'm following Larry's example, and will no
>> longer discuss his presence here, nor respond to his posts. Sadly,
>> it's time
>
> this is not the worst of ideas one can have. :-)

And its the first thing I said to him about six months ago when he
started whining then.


Bertie

[Jay Honeck]

> leaves the question if you can use this with google-groups. but there
> have been pointed out many alternatives 2 U. there are many/some free
> usenet-servers out there for you to use (or for a small fee if you also
> want binaries), or you VPN back to your office while on the road or at
> home or you use a mix of both or/and go with your usenet-client on a
> usb-stick (U3-features).

The only reason I switched to Google Groups was because I access these
groups from many different computers. After you've used GG for a
while, it's actually a very nice interface, with lots of nice search
features.

I used Outlook Express for years, and its newsreader worked just fine
-- killfiles and all. I had hoped to never need that feature...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck[_2_]]

>> 2. Most people put Bertie in a killfile long ago, so they don't even
>> see his tripe.
>
> All I 'see' is first the total amount of posts to the group and after
> clicking into the group the actual amount of posts left over after the
> filter did his work.

Well, whaddya know -- here's a surprise. "Windows Mail" -- Outlook Express'
decendent -- comes bundled with Vista, and it's quite a nifty piece of kit
indeed. It comes with a slick little built-in newreader that -- in just a
few moment's time -- has completely eliminated the Bunyip from every
newsgroup on Usenet.

Aaaaaahhhhh....it's like a cool dip in the pool on a hot summer's day...

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
http://www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Matt Whiting]

Rich Ahrens wrote:
> Jay Honeck wrote:
>>> Not really - there is no way to ignore the sound of a crying baby. I
>>> sure
>>> wish all I would have to do is hit a delete key when our neighbor's
>>> dog is
>>> barking in the middle of the night, or a kid is kicking the back of
>>> my seat
>>> on the airplane, or a child is crying in the middle of the restaurant.
>>
>> Perhaps a better analogy is a toddler running up and down between the
>> restaurant tables. Can you ignore it? Sure -- but it definitely
>> detracts from the experience.
>
> Rather like your endless self-promotion and off-topic posting.

And yours...

[Morgans[_2_]]

"Jay Honeck" <> wrote

> Well, whaddya know -- here's a surprise. "Windows Mail" -- Outlook
> Express' decendent -- comes bundled with Vista, and it's quite a nifty
> piece of kit indeed. It comes with a slick little built-in newreader
> that -- in just a few moment's time -- has completely eliminated the
> Bunyip from every newsgroup on Usenet.
>
> Aaaaaahhhhh....it's like a cool dip in the pool on a hot summer's day...

Yep.

People constantly bash MS, OE, but it does quite a bit, very well.

Yes, there are weak points, but so does everything else.
--
Jim in NC

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Jay Honeck > wrote in news:9032c13e-44e8-40ee-8d3f-
:

>> leaves the question if you can use this with google-groups. but there
>> have been pointed out many alternatives 2 U. there are many/some free
>> usenet-servers out there for you to use (or for a small fee if you also
>> want binaries), or you VPN back to your office while on the road or at
>> home or you use a mix of both or/and go with your usenet-client on a
>> usb-stick (U3-features).
>
> The only reason I switched to Google Groups was because I access these
> groups from many different computers. After you've used GG for a
> while, it's actually a very nice interface, with lots of nice search
> features.
>
> I used Outlook Express for years, and its newsreader worked just fine
> -- killfiles and all. I had hoped to never need that feature...
> --


Yeah, like you'll use it.




Bertie

[piynuB eht eitreB]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in
news:%Bdfj.19925$Ux2.19185@attbi_s22:

>>> 2. Most people put Bertie in a killfile long ago, so they don't even
>>> see his tripe.
>>
>> All I 'see' is first the total amount of posts to the group and after
>> clicking into the group the actual amount of posts left over after
>> the filter did his work.
>
> Well, whaddya know -- here's a surprise. "Windows Mail" -- Outlook
> Express' decendent -- comes bundled with Vista, and it's quite a nifty
> piece of kit indeed. It comes with a slick little built-in newreader
> that -- in just a few moment's time -- has completely eliminated the
> Bunyip from every newsgroup on Usenet.
>
> Aaaaaahhhhh....it's like a cool dip in the pool on a hot summer's
> day...
>
> ;-)

Well done fjukktard!


Bertie

[Martin Hotze[_2_]]

Jay Honeck schrieb:

> Well, whaddya know -- here's a surprise. "Windows Mail" -- Outlook Express'
> decendent -- comes bundled with Vista, and it's quite a nifty piece of kit

it also works with XP. Just download the windows-live "tool" (?), it
gives you the choices of downloading the latest messenger, mail, etc.

> indeed. It comes with a slick little built-in newreader that -- in just a
> few moment's time -- has completely eliminated the Bunyip from every
> newsgroup on Usenet.

this still leaves you with the problem of using your usenet client on
different locations and on different computers. So the best way *might*
be to put your client on a usb-stick (maybe along with your other
important files).

#m
--
I am not a terrorist <http://www.casualdisobedience.com/>

[Rich Ahrens[_2_]]

Matt Whiting wrote:
> Rich Ahrens wrote:
>> Jay Honeck wrote:
>>>> Not really - there is no way to ignore the sound of a crying baby.
>>>> I sure
>>>> wish all I would have to do is hit a delete key when our neighbor's
>>>> dog is
>>>> barking in the middle of the night, or a kid is kicking the back of
>>>> my seat
>>>> on the airplane, or a child is crying in the middle of the restaurant.
>>>
>>> Perhaps a better analogy is a toddler running up and down between the
>>> restaurant tables. Can you ignore it? Sure -- but it definitely
>>> detracts from the experience.
>>
>> Rather like your endless self-promotion and off-topic posting.
>
> And yours...

Off-topic, sure. But none of the self-promotion that Jay is so notorious
for. And I only point out off-topic posting when it is done by
hypocrites who bitch about other people doing it.