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William Hung[_2_]

January 5th 08, 09:45 PM

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g100/KiwiNed/VC6Q0210.jpg
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/23/31351263_3b9825c8de.jpg?v=0

Wil

Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]

January 5th 08, 10:08 PM

William Hung > wrote in news:21c6096d-a82a-4c29-b00c-
:

> http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g100/KiwiNed/VC6Q0210.jpg
> http://farm1.static.flickr.com/23/31351263_3b9825c8de.jpg?v=0

Loks like a gag, but it could easily be done. Lots of ultralights only need
about 100 feet or less of runway. I have an idea that the local authorities
might have issues with it.
It's been done though, It was a big thing in the 1930s when it was
frequently used to publicise the perofrmance of an airplane or gyroplane

Bertie

January 5th 08, 10:18 PM

It's a friggen model.. sitting on the roof..
Notice the Wind Sock in the middle of the " putting green runway", and the
numbers are bogus..
Some one just having fun..

BT

"William Hung" > wrote in message
...
> http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g100/KiwiNed/VC6Q0210.jpg
> http://farm1.static.flickr.com/23/31351263_3b9825c8de.jpg?v=0
>
> Wil

Judah

January 5th 08, 11:32 PM

William Hung > wrote in news:21c6096d-a82a-4c29-b00c-
:

> http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g100/KiwiNed/VC6Q0210.jpg
> http://farm1.static.flickr.com/23/31351263_3b9825c8de.jpg?v=0
>
> Wil

There was a discussion of that a while back.

It's a model Sopwith Camel on top of 77 Water Street in Downtown Manhattan.

For more details, try Google Maps...

Morgans[_2_]

January 5th 08, 11:48 PM

"BT" > wrote in message
...
> It's a friggen model.. sitting on the roof..
> Notice the Wind Sock in the middle of the " putting green runway", and the
> numbers are bogus..
> Some one just having fun..

Yep

I think it was photo-shopped in.

In you zoom real close, look at the right side of the cooling tower. There
is some gray of the roof showing through between the tower and the grass,
where the outline of the jagged tower was not followed closely enough.

Also, why would you not put the runway as far away from the cooling tower as
you could?
--
Jim in NC

Blueskies

January 6th 08, 12:12 AM

"Judah" > wrote in message ...
> William Hung > wrote in news:21c6096d-a82a-4c29-b00c-
> :
>
>> http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g100/KiwiNed/VC6Q0210.jpg
>> http://farm1.static.flickr.com/23/31351263_3b9825c8de.jpg?v=0
>>
>> Wil
>
> There was a discussion of that a while back.
>
> It's a model Sopwith Camel on top of 77 Water Street in Downtown Manhattan.
>
> For more details, try Google Maps...

http://googlesightseeing.com/2006/01/31/77-water-street-biplane/

Mxsmanic

January 6th 08, 12:13 AM

Morgans writes:

> I think it was photo-shopped in.

Think again:

http://tinyurl.com/2z5tqj

Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]

January 6th 08, 12:52 AM

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> Morgans writes:
>
>> I think it was photo-shopped in.
>
> Think again:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/2z5tqj
>

Still flies better than you ever will.

Bertie

[email protected]

January 6th 08, 01:09 AM

>
> Still flies better than you ever will.
>
> Bertie

Heh.

With a reasonable headwind a Zenith CH701 could do it.

Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]

January 6th 08, 01:14 AM

wrote in news:4eea4f10-6477-4bd1-9c65-2ba15326c916
@i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com:

>>
>> Still flies better than you ever will.
>>
>> Bertie
>
> Heh.
>
> With a reasonable headwind a Zenith CH701 could do it.
>

Yeah, I think it could even do it zero wind, eh?
One of those Slepcev Storchs could definitely do it.

Bertie

Rich Ahrens[_2_]

January 6th 08, 02:18 AM

wrote:
>> Still flies better than you ever will.
>>
>> Bertie
>
> Heh.
>
> With a reasonable headwind a Zenith CH701 could do it.

I can just imagine the reaction in Manhattan to anyone trying it even
once, though. Especially a few blocks from the NYSE. Have you seen the
massive security on the streets around there? I wouldn't be surprised if
there were ground-to-air defenses of some sort hidden away as well.

(I often stay at a hotel around the corner from the exchange.)

[email protected]

January 6th 08, 03:07 PM

On Jan 5, 6:09*pm, wrote:
> > Still flies better than you ever will.
>
> > Bertie
>
> Heh.
>
> With a reasonable headwind a Zenith CH701 could do it.

Yup... I agree, my Zenith 801 could pull that off....

Ben
www.haaspowerair.com

William Hung[_2_]

January 7th 08, 02:03 AM

On Jan 6, 10:07*am, " > wrote:
> On Jan 5, 6:09*pm, wrote:
>
> > > Still flies better than you ever will.
>
> > > Bertie
>
> > Heh.
>
> > With a reasonable headwind a Zenith CH701 could do it.
>
> Yup... I agree, my Zenith 801 could pull that off....
>
> Benwww.haaspowerair.com

Can the 801 match the performance of the 701? While both at Max
Gross? Curious.

Wil

[email protected]

January 7th 08, 03:22 PM

On Jan 6, 7:03*pm, William Hung > wrote:
> On Jan 6, 10:07*am, " > wrote:
>
> > On Jan 5, 6:09*pm, wrote:
>
> > > > Still flies better than you ever will.
>
> > > > Bertie
>
> > > Heh.
>
> > > With a reasonable headwind a Zenith CH701 could do it.
>
> > Yup... I agree, my Zenith 801 could pull that off....
>
> > Benwww.haaspowerair.com
>
> Can the 801 match the performance of the 701? *While both at Max
> Gross? *Curious.
>
> Wil

Good question. All things considered I believe the 801 might be at a
slight disadvantage because it can haul a higher percentage of its net
weight. Now when you add "alot" of extra horsepower it increases the
performance drastically. Dont ask how I know. :<)

Ben
www.haaspowerair.com

William Hung[_2_]

January 9th 08, 03:38 AM

On Jan 7, 10:22*am, " > wrote:
> On Jan 6, 7:03*pm, William Hung > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 6, 10:07*am, " > wrote:
>
> > > On Jan 5, 6:09*pm, wrote:
>
> > > > > Still flies better than you ever will.
>
> > > > > Bertie
>
> > > > Heh.
>
> > > > With a reasonable headwind a Zenith CH701 could do it.
>
> > > Yup... I agree, my Zenith 801 could pull that off....
>
> > > Benwww.haaspowerair.com
>
> > Can the 801 match the performance of the 701? *While both at Max
> > Gross? *Curious.
>
> > Wil
>
> Good question. All things considered I believe the 801 might be at a
> slight disadvantage because it can haul a higher percentage of its net
> weight. Now when you add "alot" of extra horsepower it increases the
> performance drastically. Dont ask how I know. :<)
>
> Benwww.haaspowerair.com- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I'm really impressed by the 701's performance, well at least from what
I've seen on youtube.

Wil

William Hung[_2_]

January 12th 08, 10:25 PM

[email protected]

January 12th 08, 11:52 PM

On Jan 12, 3:25*pm, William Hung > wrote:
> On Jan 7, 10:22*am, " > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 6, 7:03*pm, William Hung > wrote:
>
> > > On Jan 6, 10:07*am, " > wrote:
>
> > > > On Jan 5, 6:09*pm, wrote:
>
> > > > > > Still flies better than you ever will.
>
> > > > > > Bertie
>
> > > > > Heh.
>
> > > > > With a reasonable headwind a Zenith CH701 could do it.
>
> > > > Yup... I agree, my Zenith 801 could pull that off....
>
> > > > Benwww.haaspowerair.com
>
> > > Can the 801 match the performance of the 701? *While both at Max
> > > Gross? *Curious.
>
> > > Wil
>
> > Good question. All things considered I believe the 801 might be at a
> > slight disadvantage because it can haul a higher percentage of its net
> > weight. Now when you add "alot" of extra horsepower it increases the
> > performance drastically. Dont ask how I know. :<)
>
> > Benwww.haaspowerair.com-Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Is your 801 flying yet?
>
> Wil- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Yuppers, it's been flyin for more then a couple of years and coming up
on 200 hours.

I LOVE my toy.. :<)...

Ben

William Hung[_2_]

January 14th 08, 07:19 PM

On Jan 12, 6:52*pm, " > wrote:
> On Jan 12, 3:25*pm, William Hung > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 7, 10:22*am, " > wrote:
>
> > > On Jan 6, 7:03*pm, William Hung > wrote:
>
> > > > On Jan 6, 10:07*am, " > wrote:
>
> > > > > On Jan 5, 6:09*pm, wrote:
>
> > > > > > > Still flies better than you ever will.
>
> > > > > > > Bertie
>
> > > > > > Heh.
>
> > > > > > With a reasonable headwind a Zenith CH701 could do it.
>
> > > > > Yup... I agree, my Zenith 801 could pull that off....
>
> > > > > Benwww.haaspowerair.com
>
> > > > Can the 801 match the performance of the 701? *While both at Max
> > > > Gross? *Curious.
>
> > > > Wil
>
> > > Good question. All things considered I believe the 801 might be at a
> > > slight disadvantage because it can haul a higher percentage of its net
> > > weight. Now when you add "alot" of extra horsepower it increases the
> > > performance drastically. Dont ask how I know. :<)
>
> > > Benwww.haaspowerair.com-Hidequoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > Is your 801 flying yet?
>
> > Wil- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Yuppers, it's been flyin for more then a couple of years and coming up
> on 200 hours.
>
> I LOVE my toy.. :<)...
>
> Ben- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Wow, where're ya based at?

Wil

William Hung[_2_]

January 14th 08, 07:20 PM

On Jan 14, 2:19*pm, William Hung > wrote:
> On Jan 12, 6:52*pm, " > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 12, 3:25*pm, William Hung > wrote:
>
> > > On Jan 7, 10:22*am, " > wrote:
>
> > > > On Jan 6, 7:03*pm, William Hung > wrote:
>
> > > > > On Jan 6, 10:07*am, " > wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Jan 5, 6:09*pm, wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > Still flies better than you ever will.
>
> > > > > > > > Bertie
>
> > > > > > > Heh.
>
> > > > > > > With a reasonable headwind a Zenith CH701 could do it.
>
> > > > > > Yup... I agree, my Zenith 801 could pull that off....
>
> > > > > > Benwww.haaspowerair.com
>
> > > > > Can the 801 match the performance of the 701? *While both at Max
> > > > > Gross? *Curious.
>
> > > > > Wil
>
> > > > Good question. All things considered I believe the 801 might be at a
> > > > slight disadvantage because it can haul a higher percentage of its net
> > > > weight. Now when you add "alot" of extra horsepower it increases the
> > > > performance drastically. Dont ask how I know. :<)
>
> > > > Benwww.haaspowerair.com-Hidequotedtext -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > Is your 801 flying yet?
>
> > > Wil- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > Yuppers, it's been flyin for more then a couple of years and coming up
> > on 200 hours.
>
> > I LOVE my toy.. :<)...
>
> > Ben- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Wow, where're ya based at?
>
> Wil- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Nevermind, I just read your site. If HaasPower is you, you're in
Wyoming.

Wil

Lou

January 14th 08, 10:51 PM

> I can just imagine the reaction in Manhattan to anyone trying it even
> once, though. Especially a few blocks from the NYSE. Have you seen the
> massive security on the streets around there? I wouldn't be surprised if
> there were ground-to-air defenses of some sort hidden away as well.
>
> (I often stay at a hotel around the corner from the exchange.)

It shows up on mapquest and google earth.
Lou

Rich Ahrens[_2_]

January 15th 08, 01:06 AM

Lou wrote:
>> I can just imagine the reaction in Manhattan to anyone trying it even
>> once, though. Especially a few blocks from the NYSE. Have you seen the
>> massive security on the streets around there? I wouldn't be surprised if
>> there were ground-to-air defenses of some sort hidden away as well.
>>
>> (I often stay at a hotel around the corner from the exchange.)
>
> It shows up on mapquest and google earth.
> Lou

I think you misunderstood. There's no question the mockup exists on that
roof. The hypothetical reaction I was writing about was to the idea of
someone trying to land or take off with an actual aircraft (like the
Zenith CH701 someone suggested).

[email protected]

January 15th 08, 02:40 AM

On Jan 14, 12:20*pm, William Hung > wrote:
> On Jan 14, 2:19*pm, William Hung > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 12, 6:52*pm, " > wrote:
>
> > > On Jan 12, 3:25*pm, William Hung > wrote:
>
> > > > On Jan 7, 10:22*am, " > wrote:
>
> > > > > On Jan 6, 7:03*pm, William Hung > wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Jan 6, 10:07*am, " > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > On Jan 5, 6:09*pm, wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > Still flies better than you ever will.
>
> > > > > > > > > Bertie
>
> > > > > > > > Heh.
>
> > > > > > > > With a reasonable headwind a Zenith CH701 could do it.
>
> > > > > > > Yup... I agree, my Zenith 801 could pull that off....
>
> > > > > > > Benwww.haaspowerair.com
>
> > > > > > Can the 801 match the performance of the 701? *While both at Max
> > > > > > Gross? *Curious.
>
> > > > > > Wil
>
> > > > > Good question. All things considered I believe the 801 might be at a
> > > > > slight disadvantage because it can haul a higher percentage of its net
> > > > > weight. Now when you add "alot" of extra horsepower it increases the
> > > > > performance drastically. Dont ask how I know. :<)
>
> > > > > Benwww.haaspowerair.com-Hidequotedtext-
>
> > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > Is your 801 flying yet?
>
> > > > Wil- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > Yuppers, it's been flyin for more then a couple of years and coming up
> > > on 200 hours.
>
> > > I LOVE my toy.. :<)...
>
> > > Ben- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > Wow, where're ya based at?
>
> > Wil- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Nevermind, I just read your site. *If HaasPower is you, you're in
> Wyoming.
>
> Wil- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Yup.. good ol wyoming.. where its -3 as I type this...

C J Campbell[_1_]

January 15th 08, 05:19 AM

On 2008-01-05 17:14:27 -0800, Bertie the Bunyip > said:

> wrote in news:4eea4f10-6477-4bd1-9c65-2ba15326c916
> @i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
>
>>>
>>> Still flies better than you ever will.
>>>
>>> Bertie
>>
>> Heh.
>>
>> With a reasonable headwind a Zenith CH701 could do it.
>>
>
> Yeah, I think it could even do it zero wind, eh?
> One of those Slepcev Storchs could definitely do it.
>
>
> Bertie

A Storch is almost a helicopter. It would be a lot of fun to build and fly one.
--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]

January 15th 08, 05:26 AM

C J Campbell > wrote in
news:200801142119128930-christophercampbell@hotmailcom:

> On 2008-01-05 17:14:27 -0800, Bertie the Bunyip > said:
>
>> wrote in
>> news:4eea4f10-6477-4bd1-9c65-2ba15326c916
>> @i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>>>
>>>> Still flies better than you ever will.
>>>>
>>>> Bertie
>>>
>>> Heh.
>>>
>>> With a reasonable headwind a Zenith CH701 could do it.
>>>
>>
>> Yeah, I think it could even do it zero wind, eh?
>> One of those Slepcev Storchs could definitely do it.
>>
>>
>> Bertie
>
> A Storch is almost a helicopter. It would be a lot of fun to build and
> fly one.

I know someone who is building the Pazmany version.Most guys are doing
the Slepcev version which is much simpler. It's 3/4 scale and it;s still
huge! Unbelievably complicated too. They had to make their own landing
gear oleos, for instance. and the slat system is unbelievable. Make a
great airplane when it's done. Too bad it will have a Lycoming and not
an Argus or some other V8

Bertie

William Hung[_2_]

January 15th 08, 05:41 AM

On Jan 15, 12:26*am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> C J Campbell > wrote innews:200801142119128930-christophercampbell@hotmailcom:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 2008-01-05 17:14:27 -0800, Bertie the Bunyip > said:
>
> >> wrote in
> >> news:4eea4f10-6477-4bd1-9c65-2ba15326c916
> >> @i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
>
> >>>> Still flies better than you ever will.
>
> >>>> Bertie
>
> >>> Heh.
>
> >>> With a reasonable headwind a Zenith CH701 could do it.
>
> >> Yeah, I think it could even do it zero wind, eh?
> >> One of those Slepcev Storchs could definitely do it.
>
> >> Bertie
>
> > A Storch is almost a helicopter. It would be a lot of fun to build and
> > fly one.
>
> I know someone who is building the Pazmany version.Most guys are doing
> the Slepcev version which is much simpler. It's 3/4 scale and it;s still
> huge! Unbelievably complicated too. They had to make their own landing
> gear oleos, for instance. and the slat system is unbelievable. Make a
> great airplane when it's done. Too bad it will have a Lycoming and not
> an Argus or some other V8
>
> Bertie- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

The Storchs do look more hefty than the Zeniths, but I wonder how
their actual performance compares. I have seen many videos of the 701
fly (incredible). I haven't yet seen a video of the Storchs fly,
although I've read many write ups.

Wil

Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]

January 15th 08, 05:51 AM

William Hung > wrote in
:

> On Jan 15, 12:26*am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> C J Campbell > wrote
>> innews:20080114211912
> 8930-christophercampbell@hotmailcom:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On 2008-01-05 17:14:27 -0800, Bertie the Bunyip > said:
>>
>> >> wrote in
>> >> news:4eea4f10-6477-4bd1-9c65-2ba15326c916
>> >> @i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
>>
>> >>>> Still flies better than you ever will.
>>
>> >>>> Bertie
>>
>> >>> Heh.
>>
>> >>> With a reasonable headwind a Zenith CH701 could do it.
>>
>> >> Yeah, I think it could even do it zero wind, eh?
>> >> One of those Slepcev Storchs could definitely do it.
>>
>> >> Bertie
>>
>> > A Storch is almost a helicopter. It would be a lot of fun to build
>> > and fly one.
>>
>> I know someone who is building the Pazmany version.Most guys are
>> doing the Slepcev version which is much simpler. It's 3/4 scale and
>> it;s still huge! Unbelievably complicated too. They had to make their
>> own landing gear oleos, for instance. and the slat system is
>> unbelievable. Make a great airplane when it's done. Too bad it will
>> have a Lycoming and not an Argus or some other V8
>>
>> Bertie- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> The Storchs do look more hefty than the Zeniths, but I wonder how
> their actual performance compares. I have seen many videos of the 701
> fly (incredible). I haven't yet seen a video of the Storchs fly,
> although I've read many write ups.
>
I saw one fly once a few years ago. It got up and went alright. I'm sure
you could run next to it in even a mild breeze.
I'd go for a Storch just cause of what it is, but if I wanted a
workhorse, i'd probably go for the Zenith. I think it's a lot cheaper,
too.

Bertie

William Hung[_2_]

January 15th 08, 05:58 AM

On Jan 15, 12:51*am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> William Hung > wrote :
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 15, 12:26*am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> >> C J Campbell > wrote
> >> innews:20080114211912
> > 8930-christophercampbell@hotmailcom:
>
> >> > On 2008-01-05 17:14:27 -0800, Bertie the Bunyip > said:
>
> >> >> wrote in
> >> >> news:4eea4f10-6477-4bd1-9c65-2ba15326c916
> >> >> @i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
>
> >> >>>> Still flies better than you ever will.
>
> >> >>>> Bertie
>
> >> >>> Heh.
>
> >> >>> With a reasonable headwind a Zenith CH701 could do it.
>
> >> >> Yeah, I think it could even do it zero wind, eh?
> >> >> One of those Slepcev Storchs could definitely do it.
>
> >> >> Bertie
>
> >> > A Storch is almost a helicopter. It would be a lot of fun to build
> >> > and fly one.
>
> >> I know someone who is building the Pazmany version.Most guys are
> >> doing the Slepcev version which is much simpler. It's 3/4 scale and
> >> it;s still huge! Unbelievably complicated too. They had to make their
> >> own landing gear oleos, for instance. and the slat system is
> >> unbelievable. Make a great airplane when it's done. Too bad it will
> >> have a Lycoming and not an Argus or some other V8
>
> >> Bertie- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > The Storchs do look more hefty than the Zeniths, but I wonder how
> > their actual performance compares. *I have seen many videos of the 701
> > fly (incredible). *I haven't yet seen a video of the Storchs fly,
> > although I've read many write ups.
>
> I saw one fly once a few years ago. It got up and went alright. I'm sure
> you could run next to it in even a mild breeze.
> I'd go for a Storch just cause of what it is, but if I wanted a
> workhorse, i'd probably go for the Zenith. I think it's a lot cheaper,
> too.
>
> Bertie- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

and a lot easier to built from what I have read. More likely for a
fella to get into the air sooner. No pun intended.

Wil

Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]

January 15th 08, 12:47 PM

William Hung > wrote in
:

> On Jan 15, 12:51*am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> William Hung > wrote
>> innews:11209751-a917-4f79-bcd4-4ec7
> :
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Jan 15, 12:26*am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> >> C J Campbell > wrote
>> >> innews:20080114211912
>> > 8930-christophercampbell@hotmailcom:
>>
>> >> > On 2008-01-05 17:14:27 -0800, Bertie the Bunyip >
>> >> > said:
>>
>> >> >> wrote in
>> >> >> news:4eea4f10-6477-4bd1-9c65-2ba15326c916
>> >> >> @i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
>>
>> >> >>>> Still flies better than you ever will.
>>
>> >> >>>> Bertie
>>
>> >> >>> Heh.
>>
>> >> >>> With a reasonable headwind a Zenith CH701 could do it.
>>
>> >> >> Yeah, I think it could even do it zero wind, eh?
>> >> >> One of those Slepcev Storchs could definitely do it.
>>
>> >> >> Bertie
>>
>> >> > A Storch is almost a helicopter. It would be a lot of fun to
>> >> > build and fly one.
>>
>> >> I know someone who is building the Pazmany version.Most guys are
>> >> doing the Slepcev version which is much simpler. It's 3/4 scale
>> >> and it;s still huge! Unbelievably complicated too. They had to
>> >> make their own landing gear oleos, for instance. and the slat
>> >> system is unbelievable. Make a great airplane when it's done. Too
>> >> bad it will have a Lycoming and not an Argus or some other V8
>>
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>> > The Storchs do look more hefty than the Zeniths, but I wonder how
>> > their actual performance compares. *I have seen many videos of the
>> > 701
>
>> > fly (incredible). *I haven't yet seen a video of the Storchs fly,
>> > although I've read many write ups.
>>
>> I saw one fly once a few years ago. It got up and went alright. I'm
>> sure you could run next to it in even a mild breeze.
>> I'd go for a Storch just cause of what it is, but if I wanted a
>> workhorse, i'd probably go for the Zenith. I think it's a lot
>> cheaper, too.
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> and a lot easier to built from what I have read. More likely for a
> fella to get into the air sooner. No pun intended.
>

Well, I think the Slepcev one comes fairly well prefab. I suppose it
depends on how much of that you pay for.

Bertie
>

William Hung[_2_]

January 17th 08, 01:13 AM

On Jan 15, 7:47*am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> William Hung > wrote :
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 15, 12:51*am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> >> William Hung > wrote
> >> innews:11209751-a917-4f79-bcd4-4ec7
> > :
>
> >> > On Jan 15, 12:26*am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> >> >> C J Campbell > wrote
> >> >> innews:20080114211912
> >> > 8930-christophercampbell@hotmailcom:
>
> >> >> > On 2008-01-05 17:14:27 -0800, Bertie the Bunyip >
> >> >> > said:
>
> >> >> >> wrote in
> >> >> >> news:4eea4f10-6477-4bd1-9c65-2ba15326c916
> >> >> >> @i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
>
> >> >> >>>> Still flies better than you ever will.
>
> >> >> >>>> Bertie
>
> >> >> >>> Heh.
>
> >> >> >>> With a reasonable headwind a Zenith CH701 could do it.
>
> >> >> >> Yeah, I think it could even do it zero wind, eh?
> >> >> >> One of those Slepcev Storchs could definitely do it.
>
> >> >> >> Bertie
>
> >> >> > A Storch is almost a helicopter. It would be a lot of fun to
> >> >> > build and fly one.
>
> >> >> I know someone who is building the Pazmany version.Most guys are
> >> >> doing the Slepcev version which is much simpler. It's 3/4 scale
> >> >> and it;s still huge! Unbelievably complicated too. They had to
> >> >> make their own landing gear oleos, for instance. and the slat
> >> >> system is unbelievable. Make a great airplane when it's done. Too
> >> >> bad it will have a Lycoming and not an Argus or some other V8
>
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> >> > The Storchs do look more hefty than the Zeniths, but I wonder how
> >> > their actual performance compares. *I have seen many videos of the
> >> > 701
>
> >> > fly (incredible). *I haven't yet seen a video of the Storchs fly,
> >> > although I've read many write ups.
>
> >> I saw one fly once a few years ago. It got up and went alright. I'm
> >> sure you could run next to it in even a mild breeze.
> >> I'd go for a Storch just cause of what it is, but if I wanted a
> >> workhorse, i'd probably go for the Zenith. I think it's a lot
> >> cheaper, too.
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> > and a lot easier to built from what I have read. *More likely for a
> > fella to get into the air sooner. *No pun intended.
>
> Well, I think the Slepcev one comes fairly well prefab. I suppose it
> depends on how much of that you pay for.
>
> Bertie
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Well, the Storch is a tube and fabric and the Zenith is a stressed
aluminum skin. The Storch would be my preference, but if I had to
build it myself I'd probably go with the Zenith for ease of
construction. Many people have actually built Zenith from plans,
without buying the kit at all. I would still opt for the kit though,
if I was ready to built a plane.

Wil

Wil

Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]

January 17th 08, 02:30 AM

William Hung > wrote in
:

> On Jan 15, 7:47*am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> William Hung > wrote
>> innews:2401ebf0-be1d-4ec9-94a6-b947
> :
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Jan 15, 12:51*am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> >> William Hung > wrote
>> >> innews:11209751-a917-4f79-bcd4-4ec7
>> > :
>>
>> >> > On Jan 15, 12:26*am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> >> >> C J Campbell > wrote
>> >> >> innews:20080114211912
>> >> > 8930-christophercampbell@hotmailcom:
>>
>> >> >> > On 2008-01-05 17:14:27 -0800, Bertie the Bunyip >
>> >> >> > said:
>>
>> >> >> >> wrote in
>> >> >> >> news:4eea4f10-6477-4bd1-9c65-2ba15326c916
>> >> >> >> @i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
>>
>> >> >> >>>> Still flies better than you ever will.
>>
>> >> >> >>>> Bertie
>>
>> >> >> >>> Heh.
>>
>> >> >> >>> With a reasonable headwind a Zenith CH701 could do it.
>>
>> >> >> >> Yeah, I think it could even do it zero wind, eh?
>> >> >> >> One of those Slepcev Storchs could definitely do it.
>>
>> >> >> >> Bertie
>>
>> >> >> > A Storch is almost a helicopter. It would be a lot of fun to
>> >> >> > build and fly one.
>>
>> >> >> I know someone who is building the Pazmany version.Most guys
>> >> >> are doing the Slepcev version which is much simpler. It's 3/4
>> >> >> scale and it;s still huge! Unbelievably complicated too. They
>> >> >> had to make their own landing gear oleos, for instance. and the
>> >> >> slat system is unbelievable. Make a great airplane when it's
>> >> >> done. Too bad it will have a Lycoming and not an Argus or some
>> >> >> other V8
>>
>> >> >> Bertie- Hide quoted text -
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>> >> >> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> >> > The Storchs do look more hefty than the Zeniths, but I wonder
>> >> > how their actual performance compares. *I have seen many videos
>> >> > of the 701
>>
>> >> > fly (incredible). *I haven't yet seen a video of the Storchs
>> >> > fly, although I've read many write ups.
>>
>> >> I saw one fly once a few years ago. It got up and went alright.
>> >> I'm sure you could run next to it in even a mild breeze.
>> >> I'd go for a Storch just cause of what it is, but if I wanted a
>> >> workhorse, i'd probably go for the Zenith. I think it's a lot
>> >> cheaper, too.
>>
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>> > and a lot easier to built from what I have read. *More likely for a
>> > fella to get into the air sooner. *No pun intended.
>>
>> Well, I think the Slepcev one comes fairly well prefab. I suppose it
>> depends on how much of that you pay for.
>>
>> Bertie
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> Well, the Storch is a tube and fabric and the Zenith is a stressed
> aluminum skin. The Storch would be my preference, but if I had to
> build it myself I'd probably go with the Zenith for ease of
> construction. Many people have actually built Zenith from plans,
> without buying the kit at all. I would still opt for the kit though,
> if I was ready to built a plane.
>

Still it;s kind of interesting how similar they are in so many ways. you
gotta love a machine that does something well no matter what it might
look like. They always look purposeful.

Bertie