Mountain flying

[ASM]

What would be the best book explaining mountain flying???

Thanks,

Jacek
Pasco, WA

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On Jan 12, 1:36 am, ASM > wrote:
> What would be the best book explaining mountain flying???

You can start here:
http://www.mountainflying.com/flying_info_1.htm;It's written for
power pilots but the same rules apply ; This guy also sells a book
with a lot of similar articles, charts
and hints- it's called "Mountain flying bible", by Sparky
Imeson.There's a lot about safety and weather specific to mountain
flying(like wave explanation, turbulence etc..)
also check this:
http://www.fepco.com/Bush_Flying.html

LB

[Paul Remde]

Hi,

I am not an expert on mountain flying, but I do sell a book that looks very
good. It was written by Mark Palmer and is part of Bob Wander's "Gliding
Mentor" series.
http://www.cumulus-soaring.com/books/Wander/PracticalWaveFlying.htm

Other weather related books are available here:
http://www.cumulus-soaring.com/books-subject.htm#Weather

Good Soaring,

Paul Remde
Cumulus Soaring, Inc.
http://www.cumulus-soaring.com

"ASM" > wrote in message
...
> What would be the best book explaining mountain flying???
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jacek
> Pasco, WA

[noel.wade]

I second the idea of using Bob Wander's weather books. Many of them
are good and cover ridge and wave lift. They don't cover the hazards
of Mountain Flying specifically, but they are good preparation (as is
Bob Wander's "Safer Soaring" book). If you haven't done much cross-
country flying, I highly recommend getting a few of those books as
well, because the preparations and safety margins explained in those
books are an important "starting point" for any mountain work.

You can buy them through Paul as he mentions, or directly through Bob
at the bobwander.com website. I like both guys, so I try to support
each of 'em with my various purchases.

There's no such thing as "too much preparation"!

--Noel

[John Smith]

ASM wrote:

> What would be the best book explaining mountain flying???

Jochen von Kalckreuth: Segeln über den Alpen

It's somewhat vintage, but still fully valid. For me this is the
definitive book about soaring in the mountains. The book focuses on the
alps, but the knowledge it teaches can be used in any mountains. One
possible caveat, though: It's German. (I don't know whether there's a
translation)

[Nick Olson]

You might find the articles on soaring in the Alps,
found here usefull:-

http://www.gliding.co.uk/sailplaneandgliding/recentarticles.htm

[Tim Taylor]

On Jan 11, 11:36 pm, ASM > wrote:
> What would be the best book explaining mountain flying???
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jacek
> Pasco, WA

I have not seen a good book in English, but Gavin Wills series in
soaring back around 2002 was one of the best. I may have them scanned
in PDF if you e-mail off-line I will check. His observations and
suggestions matches much of what I have learned in the last nine years
of extensive mountain flying. There is a need for a good English
translation of Segeln über den Alpen.

Tim

[pigro[_3_]]

On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 21:49:01 +0100, John Smith
> wrote:

>ASM wrote:
>
>> What would be the best book explaining mountain flying???
>
>Jochen von Kalckreuth: Segeln über den Alpen
>
> (I don't know whether there's a
>translation)

To French: Au dessus des Alpes en planeur
(or, en planeur Au dessus des Alpes)

Excellent book

Aldo

[Dave Martin]

Some years ago I bought a book in Spain called;

Les Pyrenees en Planeur by Alain Blachard.

It was excellently illustrated and although in French
with a French/English dictionary I was able to make
sense of it, with a little patience.

Having flown in thermal, wave and ridge in the relatively
flat UK. The book helps to make clear the different
techniques required when flying 'in amongst' real mountains
rather than over the tops as we tend to do.

A few years later flying in the Alps it provided a
useful reference.

Sadly I loaned it out and it has failed to return home:-)
I do not know it of is still available

Dave Martin

At 00:42 13 January 2008, Pigro wrote:
>On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 21:49:01 +0100, John Smith
> wrote:
>
>>ASM wrote:
>>
>>> What would be the best book explaining mountain flying???
>>
>>Jochen von Kalckreuth: Segeln über den Alpen
>>
>> (I don't know whether there's a
>>translation)
>
>To French: Au dessus des Alpes en planeur
>(or, en planeur Au dessus des Alpes)
>
>Excellent book
>
>Aldo
>
>

[Dave Martin]

Some years ago I bought a book in Spain called;

Les Pyrenees en Planeur by Alain Blachard.

It was excellently illustrated and although in French
with a French/English dictionary I was able to make
sense of it, with a little patience.

Having flown in thermal, wave and ridge in the relatively
flat UK. The book helps to make clear the different
techniques required when flying 'in amongst' real mountains
rather than over the tops as we tend to do.

A few years later flying in the Alps it provided a
useful reference.

Sadly I loaned it out and it has failed to return home:-)
I do not know it of is still available

Dave Martin

At 00:42 13 January 2008, Pigro wrote:
>On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 21:49:01 +0100, John Smith
> wrote:
>
>>ASM wrote:
>>
>>> What would be the best book explaining mountain flying???
>>
>>Jochen von Kalckreuth: Segeln über den Alpen
>>
>> (I don't know whether there's a
>>translation)
>
>To French: Au dessus des Alpes en planeur
>(or, en planeur Au dessus des Alpes)
>
>Excellent book
>
>Aldo
>
>

[Dave Martin]

Some years ago I bought a book in Spain called;

Les Pyrenees en Planeur by Alain Blachard.

It was excellently illustrated and although in French
with a French/English dictionary I was able to make
sense of it, with a little patience.

Having flown in thermal, wave and ridge in the relatively
flat UK. The book helps to make clear the different
techniques required when flying 'in amongst' real mountains
rather than over the tops as we tend to do.

A few years later flying in the Alps it provided a
useful reference.

Sadly I loaned it out and it has failed to return home:-)
I do not know it of is still available

Dave Martin
Ps Sorry if this posts twice

At 00:42 13 January 2008, Pigro wrote:
>On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 21:49:01 +0100, John Smith
> wrote:
>
>>ASM wrote:
>>
>>> What would be the best book explaining mountain flying???
>>
>>Jochen von Kalckreuth: Segeln über den Alpen
>>
>> (I don't know whether there's a
>>translation)
>
>To French: Au dessus des Alpes en planeur
>(or, en planeur Au dessus des Alpes)
>
>Excellent book
>
>Aldo
>
>

[fredsez]

On Jan 15, 4:42*pm, "News" > wrote:
> Check outwww.greatwesternsoaring.com. *Fred has a great section on mountain
> flying, and it's a helluva website, to boot.
>
> "Paul Remde" > wrote in message
>
> news:Un8ij.296879$Fc.9720@attbi_s21...
>
>
>
> > Hi,
>
> > I am not an expert on mountain flying, but I do sell a book that looks
> > very good. *It was written by Mark Palmer and is part of Bob Wander's
> > "Gliding Mentor" series.
> >http://www.cumulus-soaring.com/books/Wander/PracticalWaveFlying.htm
>
> > Other weather related books are available here:
> >http://www.cumulus-soaring.com/books-subject.htm#Weather
>
> > Good Soaring,
>
> > Paul Remde
> > Cumulus Soaring, Inc.
> >http://www.cumulus-soaring.com
>
> > "ASM" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> What would be the best book explaining mountain flying???
>
> >> Thanks,
>
> >> Jacek
> >> Pasco, WA- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Advice: Go fly in the mountains. You will fly high in thin air. You
will need more space to turn. Read all the books. Pay attention to the
way air flows. Don't hit the rocks. Fred Robinson

[Tony Verhulst]

>> What would be the best book explaining mountain flying???
>
> You can start here:
> http://www.mountainflying.com/flying_info_1.htm;It's written for
> power pilots but the same rules apply ;


But the focus is different. Some years ago I was at a safety seminar
and, when discussing mountain waves, the lecturer admonished us to stay
away from them. During the break, I went up to him and said "excuse me,
but ....".

Tony V.

[Bill Daniels]

"fredsez" > wrote in message
...
On Jan 15, 4:42 pm, "News" > wrote:
> Check outwww.greatwesternsoaring.com. Fred has a great section on mountain
> flying, and it's a helluva website, to boot.
>
> "Paul Remde" > wrote in message
>
> news:Un8ij.296879$Fc.9720@attbi_s21...
>
>
>
> > Hi,
>
> > I am not an expert on mountain flying, but I do sell a book that looks
> > very good. It was written by Mark Palmer and is part of Bob Wander's
> > "Gliding Mentor" series.
> >http://www.cumulus-soaring.com/books/Wander/PracticalWaveFlying.htm
>
> > Other weather related books are available here:
> >http://www.cumulus-soaring.com/books-subject.htm#Weather
>
> > Good Soaring,
>
> > Paul Remde
> > Cumulus Soaring, Inc.
> >http://www.cumulus-soaring.com
>
> > "ASM" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> What would be the best book explaining mountain flying???
>
> >> Thanks,
>
> >> Jacek
> >> Pasco, WA- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Advice: Go fly in the mountains. You will fly high in thin air. You
will need more space to turn. Read all the books. Pay attention to the
way air flows. Don't hit the rocks. Fred Robinson

I vote with Fred.

I've spend my entire life flying in mountains and while it's not difficult,
there are subtile ways a mountain can bite you. When you get near big
mountains, visual effects plays tricks on your mind. Here's one that
doesn't require high winds.

As you approach a ridgline or peak at high altitudes, you have to keep part
of your scan on the airspeed indicator. At high altitudes on warm summer
days, true airspeed is significantly higher than indicated airspeed.

If you don't monitor your airspeed, your brain will start interpreting
ground speed as airspeed. As the fast moving terrain begins to fill your
visual field, you'll feel an overpowering sensation of speed. You're
scooting over the ground at an unbelievable speed and yet the ASI shows you
just above stall.

If you pull up to get away from the terrain, you stall and become yet
another statistic. If you do hit the ground in the high, thin air, you hit
fast and hard - it's rarely survivable.

Always leave yourself a downhill escape route. Don't glide into rising
terrain such that there's no way to lower the nose and dive out of the
situation. You don't want to be in a situation where you have to turn
while recovering from a low airspeed.

Bill Daniels

[Bruce]

There is no substitute for experience. Go and do it - if possible with expert
guidance. Reading the books helps, but having the mentor in the back seat for
direct feedback is priceless.

One excellent option if you can afford the travel and time is to go to Omarama
and do a mountain flying course with GlideOmarama or Southern Soaring. Have just
completed the latter - and learned a lot in a very short time, had a lot of fun
and flew in some of the most remarkable terrain. Of course I got the "worst
weather in living memory" - but still good enough for >11 hours in the Duo.

The Grand Prix pilots I spoke to also found the courses useful.

Southern Soaring is much smaller and more personal, suited me perfectly.

Bruce

fredsez wrote:
> On Jan 15, 4:42 pm, "News" > wrote:
>> Check outwww.greatwesternsoaring.com. Fred has a great section on mountain
>> flying, and it's a helluva website, to boot.
>>
>> "Paul Remde" > wrote in message
>>
>> news:Un8ij.296879$Fc.9720@attbi_s21...
>>
>>
>>
>>> Hi,
>>> I am not an expert on mountain flying, but I do sell a book that looks
>>> very good. It was written by Mark Palmer and is part of Bob Wander's
>>> "Gliding Mentor" series.
>>> http://www.cumulus-soaring.com/books/Wander/PracticalWaveFlying.htm
>>> Other weather related books are available here:
>>> http://www.cumulus-soaring.com/books-subject.htm#Weather
>>> Good Soaring,
>>> Paul Remde
>>> Cumulus Soaring, Inc.
>>> http://www.cumulus-soaring.com
>>> "ASM" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> What would be the best book explaining mountain flying???
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Jacek
>>>> Pasco, WA- Hide quoted text -
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Advice: Go fly in the mountains. You will fly high in thin air. You
> will need more space to turn. Read all the books. Pay attention to the
> way air flows. Don't hit the rocks. Fred Robinson

[Eric Greenwell]

Bruce wrote:
> There is no substitute for experience. Go and do it - if possible with
> expert guidance. Reading the books helps, but having the mentor in the
> back seat for direct feedback is priceless.
>
> One excellent option if you can afford the travel and time is to go to
> Omarama and do a mountain flying course with GlideOmarama or Southern
> Soaring. Have just completed the latter - and learned a lot in a very
> short time, had a lot of fun and flew in some of the most remarkable
> terrain. Of course I got the "worst weather in living memory" - but
> still good enough for >11 hours in the Duo.

Gavin is also planning courses in the USA in 2008 during our summer -
Minden, Ely, and Parowan - in case a trip to New Zealand (highly
recommended) is not possible. See http://www.glideomarama.com/usa/40

--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA
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