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Why are chandelles and lazy eights a maneuver requirement for the
commercial? Or are they still?

Because of the precision reqiurement to pull them off?

[Bertie the Bunyip[_22_]]

wrote in news:be6d3d1c-dad3-4ab0-9284-0dca72ee3b23
@l32g2000hse.googlegroups.com:

> Why are chandelles and lazy eights a maneuver requirement for the
> commercial? Or are they still?
>
> Because of the precision reqiurement to pull them off?
>

They develop discipline and handling skills.



Bertie

[BT]

yes.. they are still required.. and yes.. for the precision required to
execute them..

why do people still have to show they can parallel park a car to pass a
driving test.. hardly used in most areas now..
because it shows you can put a car where you want it and you know where your
corners are..

it's a "finesse" thing..
BT

...
> wrote in message
...
> Why are chandelles and lazy eights a maneuver requirement for the
> commercial? Or are they still?
>
> Because of the precision reqiurement to pull them off?

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

wrote:
> Why are chandelles and lazy eights a maneuver requirement for the
> commercial? Or are they still?
>
> Because of the precision reqiurement to pull them off?


The main reason for these two specific maneuvers is that a properly
executed Lazy Eight or Chandelle require very subtle and well timed
coordinated control and throttle use to perform correctly. Either one of
these maneuvers or both of them will spotlight a pilot's control of the
airplane and that pilot's ability to plan ahead or lack of same in a
heartbeat.
Also, these maneuvers can be performed without undue stress on the airplane.
A good examiner will have a fair handle on how good an applicant will
perform in the air simply by watching that applicant do the preflight,
taxi-out, and run up. These two maneuvers can finish the job in the air.
Just as an aside, it's harder to do a well performed SHALLOW Lazy Eight
than it is a steep one :-))


--
Dudley Henriques

[Morgans[_2_]]

"Dudley Henriques" > wrote

> Also, these maneuvers can be performed without undue stress on the
> airplane.
> A good examiner will have a fair handle on how good an applicant will
> perform in the air simply by watching that applicant do the preflight,
> taxi-out, and run up. These two maneuvers can finish the job in the air.
> Just as an aside, it's harder to do a well performed SHALLOW Lazy Eight
> than it is a steep one :-))

Would you mind to talk us through one, and tell what the physical movements
are, and what the pilot is looking at/for along the way, to do it right?
--
Jim in NC

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

Morgans wrote:
> "Dudley Henriques" > wrote
>
>> Also, these maneuvers can be performed without undue stress on the
>> airplane.
>> A good examiner will have a fair handle on how good an applicant will
>> perform in the air simply by watching that applicant do the preflight,
>> taxi-out, and run up. These two maneuvers can finish the job in the air.
>> Just as an aside, it's harder to do a well performed SHALLOW Lazy Eight
>> than it is a steep one :-))
>
> Would you mind to talk us through one, and tell what the physical movements
> are, and what the pilot is looking at/for along the way, to do it right?

Oh Man Jim, that's a long post. You know me and the way I get into
things :-)) I don't mind but you guys could save me a ton of typing if
you just looked this one up with a good reference.
Right off the top of my head I'd use the Kershner Advanced Pilot Manual.
I've used that myself for many years.

--
Dudley Henriques

[Morgans[_2_]]

"Dudley Henriques" > wrote

> Oh Man Jim, that's a long post. You know me and the way I get into things
> :-)) I don't mind but you guys could save me a ton of typing if you just
> looked this one up with a good reference.
> Right off the top of my head I'd use the Kershner Advanced Pilot Manual.
> I've used that myself for many years.

Fair enough. I had to try, right? <g>
--
Jim in NC

[B A R R Y]

On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 19:09:54 -0800, "BT" > wrote:
>
>why do people still have to show they can parallel park a car to pass a
>driving test.. hardly used in most areas now..

Come to the Northeast US, there's as much parallel parking as there
ever was! <G>

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On Jan 19, 10:52 pm, "Morgans" > wrote:
> "Dudley Henriques" > wrote
>
> > Also, these maneuvers can be performed without undue stress on the
> > airplane.
> > A good examiner will have a fair handle on how good an applicant will
> > perform in the air simply by watching that applicant do the preflight,
> > taxi-out, and run up. These two maneuvers can finish the job in the air.
> > Just as an aside, it's harder to do a well performed SHALLOW Lazy Eight
> > than it is a steep one :-))
>
> Would you mind to talk us through one, and tell what the physical movements
> are, and what the pilot is looking at/for along the way, to do it right?
> --
> Jim in NC

You pay the gas and I'll fly and talk you through a few.

Dan

[Jay Honeck[_2_]]

>> Oh Man Jim, that's a long post. You know me and the way I get into things
>> :-)) I don't mind but you guys could save me a ton of typing if you just
>> looked this one up with a good reference.
>> Right off the top of my head I'd use the Kershner Advanced Pilot Manual.
>> I've used that myself for many years.
>
> Fair enough. I had to try, right? <g>

I was looking forward to Dudley's answer/post meself -- even if it would
have meant being forced to buy another 56,000 gigajoules of bandwidth...

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[BT]

"B A R R Y" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 19:09:54 -0800, "BT" > wrote:
>>
>>why do people still have to show they can parallel park a car to pass a
>>driving test.. hardly used in most areas now..
>
> Come to the Northeast US, there's as much parallel parking as there
> ever was! <G>

So my daughter found out.. after moving to Boston for college, then she
understood why she had to for her license in the wide open areas of the
southwest. << daddy was right again>>

B

[B A R R Y]

On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 10:22:35 -0800, "BT" > wrote:

>"B A R R Y" > wrote in message
...
>
>So my daughter found out.. after moving to Boston for college, then she
>understood why she had to for her license in the wide open areas of the
>southwest. << daddy was right again>>

There ya' go! <G>

Good for daddy!

[gatt[_2_]]

> wrote in message news:be6d3d1c-dad3-4ab0-9284-

> Why are chandelles and lazy eights a maneuver requirement for the
> commercial? Or are they still?

> Because of the precision reqiurement to pull them off?

Yes, and yes.

-c