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Ron Wanttaja
January 21st 08, 03:57 PM
Jim "Captain Zoom" Campbell and ANN entered 2007 with three ongoing lawsuits.
By the end of the year, all were dismissed. Most of the action occurred over
the past five months, and I've held off posting updates since things have been
fluid. It's been a month since the last court order, so the flurry is probably
over.

First, a couple of points. Please realize that I am *not* a lawyer, nor do I
have any legal background (beyond being sued by Mr. Campbell myself, of course
:-). Also, the only cases I'm addressing are those in Polk County, Florida,
where Zoom has filed most of his suits in the past. More suits may exist in
other jurisdictions. You may search for the dockets in Campbell's Polk County
cases using this web page: https://ori2.polk-county.net/ct_web1/search.asp.

We'll start with a recap in chronological order. Since 2002, Campbell and the
company he owns have filed six lawsuits in Polk County:

2002 Aero-News Network vs. Pulsar Aircraft
2002 Aero-News Network vs. Rotary Air Force
2003 James Campbell vs. Sun-N-Fun
2005 Aero-News Network vs. Powrachute
2005 Aero-News Network vs. Controlvision
2005 Aero-News Network vs. Liberty Aerospace

What was a typical ANN claim? In the Pulsar case…. "Suit is brought over banner
advertising for an Internet web site. Plaintiff contents that it agreed to and
did design and run such advertising on Defendant's behalf, and that Defendant
refused to compensate Plaintiff for these services despite having agreed to do
so. Defendant acknowledges having discussed advertising with Plaintiff but
denies that any final agreement was reached."

http://ori2.polk-county.net/wb_or1/details.asp?doc_id=2681308&file_num=2002109279&doc_status=V

In other words, Campbell alleged that Pulsar violated a verbal contract. The
settlement in the Rotary case also states that the alleged agreement was oral.
The settlements in the other three cases don't re-state the claim like the
earlier two.

As you'll see in the above link, Campbell lost his suit against Pulsar ("…no
contract was finalized") although Pulsar's request for compensation of its legal
expenses was denied.

(BTW, you might have to paste some of these links directly into your browser.
If all else fails, go to:

http://ori2.polk-county.net/wb_or1/or_sch_1.asp

… and use "aero news" as a search term.)

Rotary Air Force is a Canadian company, which means a Florida lawsuit couldn't
affect them directly. However, I suspect that if they'd ignored the suit and
allowed Campbell to gain a default judgment, they might be in danger of having
their equipment seized if they entered the US to attend Sun-n-Fun or Oshkosh.
They finally settled out-of-court after two years. Rotary agreed to pay a flat
$6,500 in exchange for dismissal. As you'll see in the settlement, Rotary made
its position clear: "It is understood that this settlement is the compromise
of a doubtful and disputed claim and the payment is not to be construed as an
admission of liability... said RELEASES deny liability and intend merely to
avoid further litigation...."

http://ori2.polk-county.net/wb_or1/details.asp?doc_id=3180274&file_num=2004110504&doc_status=V

At the next Sun-N-Fun after the settlement of the previous two cases (e.g.,
April 2005), Zoom sued three more companies: Liberty, Powrachute, and
Controlvision (I'll note here that all five companies were served AT the
Sun-N-Fun Fly-In; Rotary and Pulsar in '02, the other three in '05).

Zoom had a new attorney for these three cases, Mr. Phillip Kuhn. Campbell had
also hired Mr. Kuhn for his second lawsuit against Sun-N-Fun, filed in June
2003. This new claim was for Libel/Slander and Invasion of Privacy. I
previously posted the original suit, you can access it at:

http://tinyurl.com/34h63z

Sun-N-Fun's attorney (the same one they had for Zoom's original case) quickly
pointed out a couple of flaws in Campbell's complaint: First, the libel/slander
claims were directed mostly at a company HIRED by SnF to provide security. So
Zoom had to add the company, Dothan Security, as a co-defendant in this lawsuit.
Unlike the RAH-15 case, he did this in accordance to Florida law, by gaining the
judge's permission prior to adding a co-defendant.

The second move was related to Zoom's "Invasion of Privacy" claim, based on
Dothan posting Zoom's driver's license by the entry points to aid in identifying
him. The defendants pointed out that this use of a driver's license was allowed
by Florida law. Thus the invasion of privacy claim was dismissed early.

Dothan Security itself was dismissed in November 2005. No reason or basis is
given in the court order, other than "an amicable settlement...has been made."
A note later in the court order says, "each of the above parties is to bear
their own costs and attorney's fees" so it doesn't sound like any money changed
hands.

http://ori2.polk-county.net/wb_or1/details.asp?doc_id=3602428&file_num=2005268352&doc_status=V

The Powrachute case ended towards the tail end of 2006, with the other three
continuing into the new year. From what I can tell from the online docket,
Powrachute never did respond to Zoom's lawsuit. Campbell received a default
judgment in 2006, for about $22,300.

http://ori2.polk-county.net/wb_or1/details.asp?doc_id=3879116&file_num=2006222282&doc_status=V

I don't know whether Zoom actually collected on this judgment. The Powrachute
company that was sued dissolved not long after the suit was served, and a new
company in another state apparently bought the rights to the name and some of
the company assets.

In any case, a subsequent event hints that the judgment wasn't paid off: In
late August 2007, Mr. Kuhn asked the judge to dismiss him as Jim Campbell's
attorney in the Sun-N-Fun case.

Why? We don't know for sure. All that's available on the online case docket is
Kuhn's cover letter for his petition to withdraw, not the petition itself.
Kuhn's reasons for requesting being released as Campbell's attorney are not part
of the public record.

But we get a strong hint from the Judge's order granting Kuhn's motion to
withdraw as Zoom's attorney: The Judge's 12 September order says, "...there is
good cause to grant the Motion to Withdraw of Plaintiff's counsel pursuant to
Rule 4-1.16(b)(4)(5) of the Florida Rules of Professional Conduct."

You can find the Rule at

http://www.ablelegalforms.com/flalawyerethics4116.html,

… but let me quote the specified sections:
--------------------------------------------------
"RULE 4-1.16 DECLINING OR TERMINATING REPRESENTATION

(a) ...

(b) When Withdrawal Is Allowed. Except as stated in subdivision (c), a
lawyer may withdraw from representing a client if withdrawal can be accomplished
without material adverse effect on the interests of the client, or if:

(1)...
(2)...
(3)...
(4) the client fails substantially to fulfill an obligation to the lawyer
regarding the lawyer's services and has been given reasonable warning that the
lawyer will withdraw unless the obligation is fulfilled;

(5) the representation will result in an unreasonable financial burden on
the lawyer or has been rendered unreasonably difficult by the client..."
----------------------------------------------------

To me, it looks like Campbell was not paying his legal bills in the SnF case.
It wouldn't be the first time. Campbell lost the attorney defending him in the
Fraud and Perjury lawsuit for the same reason, as well as another attorney in
suit against an ex-advertiser in the US AVIATOR days.

If that $22,300 judgment against Powrachute had indeed been collected, one would
have expected that Mr. Kuhn would have received a goodly portion. So either the
Powrachute settlement hadn't been collected or Zoom decided to NOT pay his
lawyer for another reason. Maybe he spent the money on his brand-new (albeit
used) Glasair, instead….:-)

The Judge's order allowed Zoom 60 days to find another attorney. Zoom asked for
ninety days, but was refused. The sixty days was from the date of the lawyer's
original request, so Zoom had until the end of October.

Kuhn's request to be dismissed as Campbell's attorney in the SnF case had other
repercussions… remember, he was also representing ANN in its lawsuits. About
three weeks after the Judge released Kuhn from the Sun-N-Fun case, Kuhn filed
separate letters requesting release as ANN's attorney in the Controlvision and
Liberty cases. In them, he says, "...said attorney has been instructed by the
client/Plaintiff that said Plaintiff wants said attorney to discontinue all
legal representation on the Plaintiff's behalf effective immediately..."

It looks to me like Zoom fired Kuhn as ANN's attorney after Kuhn refused to
continue to represent him the Sun-N-Fun lawsuit due to lack of payment. A
person with Campbell's large ego would undoubtedly react strongly to Kuhn's
implying he was a deadbeat.

At this point, the wheels started popping off the Campbell lawsuit roller
coaster. Within three weeks, ANN's lawsuit against Liberty had been dismissed
with prejudice (e.g., it cannot be re-filed). A month after that, ANN's suit
against Controlvision was also dismissed with prejudice.

http://ori2.polk-county.net/wb_or1/details.asp?doc_id=4182602&file_num=2007204201&doc_status=V

http://ori2.polk-county.net/wb_or1/details.asp?doc_id=4207629&file_num=2007228610&doc_status=V

In early November (after Campbell's deadline for finding a new attorney had
passed), Sun-N-Fun filed a motion to have the case dismissed. Surprisingly,
they filed for dismissal WITHOUT prejudice…meaning that Campbell would be able
to re-open the suit at a later date.

Not being a lawyer, I'm not sure why they didn't go for a dismissal with
prejudice. Looking online, though, I think I found the reason.

Remember Campbell's first lawsuit against SnF, which ended in Campbell's loss?
Many of you may not remember that he strung out the action longer by filing an
appeal (and lost again, a few months later). Consider the MacNaughton and Gunn
lawsuit against Zoom about seven years ago. After losing this case, Campbell
appealed three times (to no avail), stretching out the case for several years.

A dismissal WITHOUT prejudice, on the other hand, can't normally be appealed.
Campbell certainly can re-file the case, but that's just it: He would have to
start from scratch again. He can't just file a piece of paper that says, "on
such-and-such date, the judge did not act in accordance with…" He has to get
another attorney, and re-file the entire suit.

A Case Management Conference was scheduled for the 14th of November for Campbell
to present his new lawyer and for the Judge to rule on SnF's motion to dismiss.
Campbell appeared by telephone at the conference, reporting he had not yet found
a lawyer, but asking for another week. The request was granted.

And a week later… well, here's what the Judge says: "The reset hearing was set
for 9:30 AM on Tuesday, November 20, 2007, and began promptly at that time on
that date. The hearing was set for 15 minutes. The Court waited from 9:30 am
to 10:00 am for the Plaintiff to appear. When the Plaintiff failed to appear at
10:00 am, the Court concluded the hearing."

We don't know why Zoom failed to appear, or even to phone in like he'd done the
week before. Perhaps an emergency had come up. My guess is that he *didn't*
have a new attorney, and knew the judge would rule against him.

At that point was all over but the final gurgling swirl. The final order
dismissing the SnF case was signed on the 12th of December.

http://ori2.polk-county.net/wb_or1/details.asp?doc_id=4365391&file_num=2007250490&doc_status=V.

There are some interesting tidbits in this Order. The Judge says, "…Plaintiff
has failed to participate in the discovery process and, as well, has failed to
participate in this litigation." He also mentions that Campbell had been twice
scheduled for depositions in this case, and backed out both times. The second
deposition was scheduled as a two-day activity, with several SnF folks being
deposed, too. But like the Order says, Campbell canceled.

Interestingly enough, he had ALSO been schedule for a deposition in ANN's
Controlvision lawsuit…and had canceled THAT one, too.

So, what next? Zoom can certainly re-file this case, or bring an entirely
separate suit over SnF banning him in 2004, or 2005, or 2006, or 2007. The
information in the above order, plus the circumstances of the loss of his
attorney, will make it more difficult to find a new lawyer. But it certainly
wouldn't be impossible.

Will Campbell sue more ex-advertisers at SnF 2008? Campbell has claimed that
he's now living in North Carolina, but ANN is still registered in Florida.

http://tinyurl.com/38p9cq

Note that, for some reason, the corporate address has been changed to Green Cove
Springs, Florida, a bit over a hundred miles from its previous location in
Winter Haven. Campbell probably could have sued ex-advertisers from North
Carolina, but retaining a Florida address probably makes it easier to serve them
legal papers at Sun-N-Fun.

But *will* it happens? Only Zoom knows. Keep tuned in!

Ron Wanttaja

Dale Alexander
January 21st 08, 05:09 PM
I get the feeling that somewhere, high above this veil of tears, there is a
gentleman by the name of Tony Pucillo looking down with an amused smile on
his face.

Dale Alexander

"Ron Wanttaja" > wrote in message
...
> Jim "Captain Zoom" Campbell and ANN entered 2007 with three ongoing
> lawsuits.
> By the end of the year, all were dismissed. Most of the action occurred
> over
> the past five months, and I've held off posting updates since things have
> been
> fluid. It's been a month since the last court order, so the flurry is
> probably
> over.

Rich Ahrens[_2_]
January 21st 08, 05:14 PM
Ron Wanttaja wrote:
> Note that, for some reason, the corporate address has been changed to Green Cove
> Springs, Florida, a bit over a hundred miles from its previous location in
> Winter Haven. Campbell probably could have sued ex-advertisers from North
> Carolina, but retaining a Florida address probably makes it easier to serve them
> legal papers at Sun-N-Fun.
>
> But *will* it happens? Only Zoom knows. Keep tuned in!

The change of address means a different county as well - Clay County.
Different courts, different judges, perhaps that's what's on his mind?

In the ANN contacts page he says:

"In addition to our immediate staff; we are also pleased to enjoy
relationships with a number of aviation experts whom possess credentials
of exceptional stature... from such luminaries as renowned Airshow and
Test Pilot Bob Hoover, to AOPA President Phil Boyer, to former USUA
President John Ballantyne, to attorney/pilot F Lee Bailey."

Perhaps his close associate Mr. Bailey can help him find an attorney.
Bwaaaaahahahahahaaaaaa....

Thanks for the lovely update.

Morgans[_2_]
January 21st 08, 05:15 PM
"Ron Wanttaja" <> wrote

> Jim "Captain Zoom" Campbell and ANN entered 2007 with three ongoing
> lawsuits.
> By the end of the year, all were dismissed.

Thanks, Ron.

Good stuff!

Zoomity-zoom, zoomity-zoommm.....

Sung to the tune of the Monty Python spam-spam-spam-spam song. <g>

I wonder if Zoom and MXS are related?

Nah! ;-)
--
Jim in NC

Matt Whiting
January 21st 08, 10:01 PM
Ron Wanttaja wrote:
> Jim "Captain Zoom" Campbell and ANN entered 2007 with three ongoing lawsuits.
> By the end of the year, all were dismissed. Most of the action occurred over
> the past five months, and I've held off posting updates since things have been
> fluid. It's been a month since the last court order, so the flurry is probably
> over.
>
> First, a couple of points. Please realize that I am *not* a lawyer, nor do I
> have any legal background (beyond being sued by Mr. Campbell myself, of course
> :-).

It still sounds like Zoom has cost several people a fair bit in legal
charges even though the cases were dismissed. That is still very
unfortunate. What did it cost you to defend yourself against Zoom? :-)

Matt

ChuckSlusarczyk
January 21st 08, 10:10 PM
In article >, Dale Alexander says...
>
>I get the feeling that somewhere, high above this veil of tears, there is a
>gentleman by the name of Tony Pucillo looking down with an amused smile on
>his face.
>
>Dale Alexander

My sentiments exactly :-) I can hear him saying "Chuckus as I told you ,zoom is
a phoney" .

Chuck S RAH 14/1 ret

ChuckSlusarczyk
January 21st 08, 10:18 PM
In article om>, Rich Ahrens
says...
>
>Ron Wanttaja wrote:
>>Note that, for some reason, the corporate address has been changed to Green Cove
>> Springs, Florida, a bit over a hundred miles from its previous location in
>> Winter Haven. Campbell probably could have sued ex-advertisers from North
>>Carolina, but retaining a Florida address probably makes it easier to serve them
>> legal papers at Sun-N-Fun.
>>
>> But *will* it happens? Only Zoom knows. Keep tuned in!
>
>The change of address means a different county as well - Clay County.
>Different courts, different judges, perhaps that's what's on his mind?
>
>In the ANN contacts page he says:
>
>"In addition to our immediate staff; we are also pleased to enjoy
>relationships with a number of aviation experts whom possess credentials
>of exceptional stature... from such luminaries as renowned Airshow and
>Test Pilot Bob Hoover, to AOPA President Phil Boyer, to former USUA
>President John Ballantyne, to attorney/pilot F Lee Bailey."
>
>Perhaps his close associate Mr. Bailey can help him find an attorney.
>Bwaaaaahahahahahaaaaaa....
>
>Thanks for the lovely update.


In zoomspeak enjoying relationships with aviation experts means he's interviewed
them a time or two .I bet none of the aforementioned luminaries
brag about their relationship with zoomie LOL!! He's still a legend in his own
mind .Credibility it was always about credibility.

Chuck S RAH 14/1 ret
>

Ron Wanttaja
January 22nd 08, 03:12 AM
On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 11:14:25 -0600, Rich Ahrens > wrote:

> Ron Wanttaja wrote:
> > Note that, for some reason, the corporate address has been changed to Green Cove
> > Springs, Florida, a bit over a hundred miles from its previous location in
> > Winter Haven. Campbell probably could have sued ex-advertisers from North
> > Carolina, but retaining a Florida address probably makes it easier to serve them
> > legal papers at Sun-N-Fun.
> >
> > But *will* it happens? Only Zoom knows. Keep tuned in!
>
> The change of address means a different county as well - Clay County.
> Different courts, different judges, perhaps that's what's on his mind?

Different lawyers, too...maybe he used them all up, in Polk County? :-)

Ron Wanttaja

January 22nd 08, 03:15 AM
On Jan 21, 5:18*pm, ChuckSlusarczyk
> wrote:
> In article om>, Rich Ahrens
> says...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >Ron Wanttaja wrote:
> >>Note that, for some reason, the corporate address has been changed to Green Cove
> >> Springs, Florida, a bit over a hundred miles from its previous location in
> >> Winter Haven. *Campbell probably could have sued ex-advertisers from North
> >>Carolina, but retaining a Florida address probably makes it easier to serve them
> >> legal papers at Sun-N-Fun.
>
> >> But *will* it happens? *Only Zoom knows. *Keep tuned in!
>
> >The change of address means a different county as well - Clay County.
> >Different courts, different judges, perhaps that's what's on his mind?
>
> >In the ANN contacts page he says:
>
> >"In addition to our immediate staff; we are also pleased to enjoy
> >relationships with a number of aviation experts whom possess credentials
> >of exceptional stature... from such luminaries as renowned Airshow and
> >Test Pilot Bob Hoover, to AOPA President Phil Boyer, to former USUA
> >President John Ballantyne, to attorney/pilot F Lee Bailey."
>
> >Perhaps his close associate Mr. Bailey can help him find an attorney.
> >Bwaaaaahahahahahaaaaaa....
>
> >Thanks for the lovely update.
>
> In zoomspeak enjoying relationships with aviation experts means he's interviewed
> them a time or two .I bet none of the aforementioned luminaries
> brag about their relationship with zoomie LOL!! He's still a legend in his own
> mind .Credibility it was always about credibility.
>
> Chuck S RAH 14/1 ret
>
>
>
> - Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Hey Chuck!

I remember a time when Bob Hoover was at a zzzoom function at SnF.
He was so proud to be there that he stayed behind the tent sitting on
the running board of a truck eating chicken. Bet he wasn't accused of
chicken theft like those two really nice guys were.

Way back when I was sued by zzzzoom he went through four attorneys.
They requested that they be allowed to leave the case because of
differences with their client. By the way the action cost me a total
of $12.50 that was the cost of having the response typed. I didn't use
an attorney for the civil or the criminal (assault and
battery)complaints he filed against me and won them both.

I spent Last Saturday at the Light Sport Expo at Sebring and had no
zzzoom sightings.

Frank M.Hitlaw, at my secret world Hq

Ron Wanttaja
January 22nd 08, 03:18 AM
On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 22:01:13 GMT, Matt Whiting > wrote:

> Ron Wanttaja wrote:
> > Jim "Captain Zoom" Campbell and ANN entered 2007 with three ongoing lawsuits.
> > By the end of the year, all were dismissed. Most of the action occurred over
> > the past five months, and I've held off posting updates since things have been
> > fluid. It's been a month since the last court order, so the flurry is probably
> > over.
> >
> > First, a couple of points. Please realize that I am *not* a lawyer, nor do I
> > have any legal background (beyond being sued by Mr. Campbell myself, of course
> > :-).
>
> It still sounds like Zoom has cost several people a fair bit in legal
> charges even though the cases were dismissed. That is still very
> unfortunate. What did it cost you to defend yourself against Zoom? :-)

IIRC, somewhere between $2 and $5. :-)

(I had to mail Tony some documents)

This makes it far easier to be lighthearted about it, of course. But the sued
companies, win or lose, are out thousands of bucks. Four companies were
actually willing to spend that kind of money to fight Zoom. You wonder how many
others were informed that they owed ANN money because of their "verbal
contracts", and how many just forked over the money figuring it was cheaper than
hiring a lawyer to fight it.

And we must remember, SnF isn't out a dime in legal expenses...but I bet their
insurance premiums went up. Wonder what other fly-ins will fold, because
insurance is too expensive....

Ron Wanttaja

Morgans[_2_]
January 22nd 08, 03:52 AM
> wrote

I spent Last Saturday at the Light Sport Expo at Sebring and had no
zzzoom sightings.

Frank, glad to see a post from you! I have not seen one for quite a while,
unless you are using an alias for recent postings.

Anyway, glad to see your name back up in lights!
--
Jim in NC

P.S. What do some of you guys do; have a filter that "LOOKS" for ZZZooom
postings automatically? I swear, that must be it. Suddenly, a host of the
15 pop up, back in the old stomping grounds! <g>

See you in the funny papers!

ChuckSlusarczyk
January 22nd 08, 02:58 PM
In article >, Matt Whiting says...
>
>It still sounds like Zoom has cost several people a fair bit in legal
>charges even though the cases were dismissed. That is still very
>unfortunate. What did it cost you to defend yourself against Zoom? :-)
>
>Matt

The 15 of us who were sued (the famous RAH-15) had no real expenses to speak of
other then some postage costs to send stuff to Tony.Like the pictures of zoom
being escorted from SnF by a Motorcycle cop. It was too funny ...the cop on his
motorcycle and zoomie on a small electric cart with his leg in a portable cast.

Tony took care of everything else. It was typical zoom tactics sue or threaten
to sue someone to get the to be silent or pay for ads tey didn't want.

It cost me in lost sales more then it would have cost in lawyers fees. Later
people got smart and found zoom to be a phoney but it took a while and cost me
plenty in lost sales. Fortunately it's been about 5 years since a potential
buyer asked me about zoom but I have no idea how many I don't know about.

But the 15 of us who were sued made history LOL!!!And even tho one turned
traitor and went over to the dark side leaving us the RAH-14. We the RAH-14 have
remained friends and still share a common bond :-)...and that's worth something.

See ya

Chuck S RAH-14/1 ret

"zoom can fool some of the people some of the time and all of the people none of
the time but he can always fool jaun" ;-) anon

January 22nd 08, 08:24 PM
On Jan 21, 10:52*pm, "Morgans" > wrote:
> > wrote
>
> * I spent Last Saturday at the Light Sport Expo at Sebring and had no
> zzzoom sightings.
>
> *Frank, glad to see a post from you! *I have not seen one for quite a while,
> unless you are using an alias for recent postings.
>
> Anyway, glad to see your name back up in lights!
> --
> Jim in NC
>
> P.S. *What do some of you guys do; have a filter that "LOOKS" for ZZZooom
> postings automatically? * I swear, that must be it. *Suddenly, a host of the
> 15 pop up, back in the old stomping grounds! <g>
>
> See you in the funny papers!

Jim,

I am glad to be back, haven't used an alias just been busy with
other business. You are correct about a bunch of us popping up when
zzzz appears on the screen. When someone spreads some of the most
despicable lies about you and tries to cost you your job,you don't
forget. I can get over it but I will never forget and any chance I get
to sling some crap back at him I will.

Frank M. Hitlaw at my secret world Hq

Morgans[_2_]
January 22nd 08, 09:13 PM
> wrote

FH wrote: I am glad to be back, haven't used an alias just been busy
with
other business.

M wrote: This has been one of the lowest times on the rec.aviation
newsgroups since I have been reading them, IMHO. (more than 12 years, I'm
guessing) The Mxsmanic person pollutes every thread started, nearly. In the
days of the mini-500 flames, and the days of "he" (whose name shall not be
spoken, and perhaps even the zzzoom and juan wars, the crap was easier to
ignore, than this idiot.

It is especially bad at the piloting group, and the student group. He has
some real deep problems that need professional help and medication, most
likely. Many, many good people have stopped reading the groups, because of
the negative affect is has had. I don't know how many months he has been
here, but it has ben several. He thrives on abuse, and has a real
disconnect problem with being able to tell reality from play life.

FH wrote: You are correct about a bunch of us popping up when
zzzz appears on the screen. When someone spreads some of the most
despicable lies about you and tries to cost you your job,you don't
forget. I can get over it but I will never forget and any chance I get
to sling some crap back at him I will.

M wrote: Understandable. It is too bad that some people have to behave
as they do. His trickery and lack of credibility is some of the worst I
have ever seen, and I'm sure you realize much more than me, how evil he is.

So sling away, and stick around. Try to ignore MX (as most call him) and
most of all, try not to give in to responding. As you well know, the best
way to get rid of one like him is to shun him. We have too many here that
are not disciplined enough to do that, it seems.

He "advice" occasionally needs a warning to the new pilots out there, but
the harm comes when people respond to points of his argument. That is just
more ammo to continue the arguments.

So what's up with your aviating? What are you flying, and are you involved
in any projects at the present?

Again, welcome, and it's good to see some old names back, again.
--
Jim in NC

Gig 601XL Builder[_2_]
January 22nd 08, 10:48 PM
Morgans wrote:

> So sling away, and stick around. Try to ignore MX (as most call him) and
> most of all, try not to give in to responding.

Damn-it Jim, the one r.a. group that has yet to be polluted by MX and
you bring up his name.

Shame on you.

Morgans[_2_]
January 23rd 08, 12:29 AM
"Gig 601XL Builder" <> wrote

> Damn-it Jim, the one r.a. group that has yet to be polluted by MX and you
> bring up his name.
>
> Shame on you.

Sorry. That will be the end of it, from me. I did check and make sure that
my post was not cross posted to the other groups.

He HAS been here, a few times, as I recall. I do hope he stays away, for
the most part.

Don't you think that some of the people that used to be active here, quit
checking here when they bailed out of the other groups? I do.

I've not responded to him, and done minimal posting, except for urging
others to quit posting responses, though. And now I'll quit any more
mention, here.
--
Jim in NC

Jim Logajan
January 23rd 08, 12:57 AM
Gig 601XL Builder > wrote:
> Damn-it Jim, the one r.a. group that has yet to be polluted by MX and
> you bring up his name.

Mxsmanic doesn't think much of homebuilts[1]. Since he only involves
himself in subjects he claims interest in(!), I think this group is safe.

[1]
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.aviation.piloting/msg/0e73515ef584fbc9

Peter Dohm
January 23rd 08, 01:29 AM
"Jim Logajan" > wrote in message
.. .
> Gig 601XL Builder > wrote:
>> Damn-it Jim, the one r.a. group that has yet to be polluted by MX and
>> you bring up his name.
>
> Mxsmanic doesn't think much of homebuilts[1]. Since he only involves
> himself in subjects he claims interest in(!), I think this group is safe.
>
> [1]
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.aviation.piloting/msg/0e73515ef584fbc9

This, of course, leads to a sort of freshman philosophy class question:
Can a class or type of aircraft, which does not exist in MSFS, exist at all?

Peter

Rich Ahrens[_2_]
January 23rd 08, 03:24 AM
Gig 601XL Builder wrote:
> Morgans wrote:
>
>> So sling away, and stick around. Try to ignore MX (as most call him)
>> and most of all, try not to give in to responding.
>
> Damn-it Jim, the one r.a. group that has yet to be polluted by MX and
> you bring up his name.

Wrong. My server still shows 40 posts here by him in December alone.

Dan[_2_]
January 23rd 08, 04:50 AM
ChuckSlusarczyk wrote:
> In article >, Matt Whiting says...
>> It still sounds like Zoom has cost several people a fair bit in legal
>> charges even though the cases were dismissed. That is still very
>> unfortunate. What did it cost you to defend yourself against Zoom? :-)
>>
>> Matt
>
> The 15 of us who were sued (the famous RAH-15) had no real expenses to speak of
> other then some postage costs to send stuff to Tony.Like the pictures of zoom
> being escorted from SnF by a Motorcycle cop. It was too funny ...the cop on his
> motorcycle and zoomie on a small electric cart with his leg in a portable cast.
>
> Tony took care of everything else. It was typical zoom tactics sue or threaten
> to sue someone to get the to be silent or pay for ads tey didn't want.
>
> It cost me in lost sales more then it would have cost in lawyers fees. Later
> people got smart and found zoom to be a phoney but it took a while and cost me
> plenty in lost sales. Fortunately it's been about 5 years since a potential
> buyer asked me about zoom but I have no idea how many I don't know about.
>
> But the 15 of us who were sued made history LOL!!!And even tho one turned
> traitor and went over to the dark side leaving us the RAH-14. We the RAH-14 have
> remained friends and still share a common bond :-)...and that's worth something.
>
> See ya
>
> Chuck S RAH-14/1 ret
>
> "zoom can fool some of the people some of the time and all of the people none of
> the time but he can always fool jaun" ;-) anon
>

Speaking of whom, where is yawn?

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

BobR
January 23rd 08, 03:09 PM
Dan wrote:
> ChuckSlusarczyk wrote:
> > In article >, Matt Whiting says...
> >> It still sounds like Zoom has cost several people a fair bit in legal
> >> charges even though the cases were dismissed. That is still very
> >> unfortunate. What did it cost you to defend yourself against Zoom? :-)
> >>
> >> Matt
> >
> > The 15 of us who were sued (the famous RAH-15) had no real expenses to speak of
> > other then some postage costs to send stuff to Tony.Like the pictures of zoom
> > being escorted from SnF by a Motorcycle cop. It was too funny ...the cop on his
> > motorcycle and zoomie on a small electric cart with his leg in a portable cast.
> >
> > Tony took care of everything else. It was typical zoom tactics sue or threaten
> > to sue someone to get the to be silent or pay for ads tey didn't want.
> >
> > It cost me in lost sales more then it would have cost in lawyers fees. Later
> > people got smart and found zoom to be a phoney but it took a while and cost me
> > plenty in lost sales. Fortunately it's been about 5 years since a potential
> > buyer asked me about zoom but I have no idea how many I don't know about.
> >
> > But the 15 of us who were sued made history LOL!!!And even tho one turned
> > traitor and went over to the dark side leaving us the RAH-14. We the RAH-14 have
> > remained friends and still share a common bond :-)...and that's worth something.
> >
> > See ya
> >
> > Chuck S RAH-14/1 ret
> >
> > "zoom can fool some of the people some of the time and all of the people none of
> > the time but he can always fool jaun" ;-) anon
> >
>
> Speaking of whom, where is yawn?
>
> Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Let's just let that dead dog rot can we?

Al G[_1_]
January 23rd 08, 04:08 PM
"Morgans" > wrote in message
...
>
> > wrote
>
> FH wrote: I am glad to be back, haven't used an alias just been busy
> with
> other business.
>
> M wrote: This has been one of the lowest times on the rec.aviation
> newsgroups since I have been reading them, IMHO. (more than 12 years, I'm
> guessing) The Mxsmanic person pollutes every thread started, nearly. In
> the days of the mini-500 flames, and the days of "he" (whose name shall
> not be spoken, and perhaps even the zzzoom and juan wars, the crap was
> easier to ignore, than this idiot.
>

absolute truth snipped...

> Again, welcome, and it's good to see some old names back, again.
> --
> Jim in NC
>

Me too, what he said.

Al G

Big John[_2_]
January 23rd 08, 07:49 PM
On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 22:50:15 -0600, Dan > wrote:

>ChuckSlusarczyk wrote:
>> In article >, Matt Whiting says...
>>> It still sounds like Zoom has cost several people a fair bit in legal
>>> charges even though the cases were dismissed. That is still very
>>> unfortunate. What did it cost you to defend yourself against Zoom? :-)
>>>
>>> Matt
>>
>> The 15 of us who were sued (the famous RAH-15) had no real expenses to speak of
>> other then some postage costs to send stuff to Tony.Like the pictures of zoom
>> being escorted from SnF by a Motorcycle cop. It was too funny ...the cop on his
>> motorcycle and zoomie on a small electric cart with his leg in a portable cast.
>>
>> Tony took care of everything else. It was typical zoom tactics sue or threaten
>> to sue someone to get the to be silent or pay for ads tey didn't want.
>>
>> It cost me in lost sales more then it would have cost in lawyers fees. Later
>> people got smart and found zoom to be a phoney but it took a while and cost me
>> plenty in lost sales. Fortunately it's been about 5 years since a potential
>> buyer asked me about zoom but I have no idea how many I don't know about.
>>
>> But the 15 of us who were sued made history LOL!!!And even tho one turned
>> traitor and went over to the dark side leaving us the RAH-14. We the RAH-14 have
>> remained friends and still share a common bond :-)...and that's worth something.
>>
>> See ya
>>
>> Chuck S RAH-14/1 ret
>>
>> "zoom can fool some of the people some of the time and all of the people none of
>> the time but he can always fool jaun" ;-) anon
>>
>
> Speaking of whom, where is yawn?
>
>Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired


************************************************** ***

Did he ever get his BD to fly?

Big John

ChuckSlusarczyk
January 24th 08, 01:28 PM
In article >, Big John says...

>************************************************** ***
>
>Did he ever get his BD to fly?
>
>Big John


I bet the Moeller air car will win the "first to fly" contest any takers LOL!!!

Chuck S RAH-14/1 ret

Harry K
January 24th 08, 04:41 PM
On Jan 24, 5:28*am, ChuckSlusarczyk
> wrote:
> In article >, Big John says...
>
> >************************************************** ***
>
> >Did he ever get his BD to fly?
>
> >Big John
>
> I bet the Moeller air car will win the "first to fly" contest any takers LOL!!!
>
> Chuck S RAH-14/1 ret

That will be the day that either one can use skis for landing gear in
Hell.

Harry K

Anthony W
January 24th 08, 10:04 PM
Harry K wrote:

>>
>> I bet the Moeller air car will win the "first to fly" contest any takers LOL!!!
>>
>> Chuck S RAH-14/1 ret
>
> That will be the day that either one can use skis for landing gear in
> Hell.

I think there is a chance wan's BD5j will fly but only long after wan
has sold it to someone that puts a better engine in it and has the
skill, time, and money to make sure it's all put together correctly. It
could happen but I won't bet on it.

There are 3 things to remember about this airplane:
1. wan didn't build it.
2. wan is afraid to fly it.
3. Last but not least, he has been trying very hard to unload it.

Another thing, I think wan as stopped sucking zooms ass or he would be
here supporting and defending zoom.

Tony

Ron Wanttaja
January 25th 08, 08:16 AM
On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 07:57:12 -0800, Ron Wanttaja >
wrote:

> So, what next? Zoom can certainly re-file this case, or bring an entirely
> separate suit over SnF banning him in 2004, or 2005, or 2006, or 2007. The
> information in the above order, plus the circumstances of the loss of his
> attorney, will make it more difficult to find a new lawyer. But it certainly
> wouldn't be impossible.

The Docket shows a letter from an attorney recently being processed.

https://ori2.polk-county.net/ct_web1/case_detail.asp?SearchType=Party+Name&ascaseid=272105&ascrttype=CR

As I doubt SnF would bother to keep up their involvement, this may well be new
lawyer for Zoom. If so, it's likely the case is going to be re-opened. Stay
tuned!

Ron Wanttaja

BobR
January 25th 08, 03:37 PM
Ron Wanttaja wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 07:57:12 -0800, Ron Wanttaja >
> wrote:
>
> > So, what next? Zoom can certainly re-file this case, or bring an entirely
> > separate suit over SnF banning him in 2004, or 2005, or 2006, or 2007. The
> > information in the above order, plus the circumstances of the loss of his
> > attorney, will make it more difficult to find a new lawyer. But it certainly
> > wouldn't be impossible.
>
> The Docket shows a letter from an attorney recently being processed.
>
> https://ori2.polk-county.net/ct_web1/case_detail.asp?SearchType=Party+Name&ascaseid=272105&ascrttype=CR
>
> As I doubt SnF would bother to keep up their involvement, this may well be new
> lawyer for Zoom. If so, it's likely the case is going to be re-opened. Stay
> tuned!
>
> Ron Wanttaja

What was that definition of insanity...something about doing the same
stupid thing repeatedly and expecting a different result? Wonder if
this would be a classic case?

Ron Wanttaja
January 25th 08, 04:05 PM
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 07:37:32 -0800 (PST), BobR > wrote:

> > The Docket shows a letter from an attorney recently being processed.
> >
> > https://ori2.polk-county.net/ct_web1/case_detail.asp?SearchType=Party+Name&ascaseid=272105&ascrttype=CR
> >
> > As I doubt SnF would bother to keep up their involvement, this may well be new
> > lawyer for Zoom. If so, it's likely the case is going to be re-opened. Stay
> > tuned!
>
> What was that definition of insanity...something about doing the same
> stupid thing repeatedly and expecting a different result? Wonder if
> this would be a classic case?

Well, it depends on whether he intends to continue non-support of his own
lawsuit (e.g., not responding to discovery, canceling his depositions, etc.).
One common thread you see in folks' experience with him is that everything is
just rosy and lovely at first, then starts turning sour after a number of months
(see the NTSB transcript for at least one example).

With a brand-new lawyer on a five-year-old case, if things are still at the
"honeymoon" stage, Zoom may be more willing to provide proof of his claims. If
I were a new Zoom attorney, I'd immediately provide responses to the discovery
requests and schedule depositions, quick.

One thing that makes me chuckle is the fact that Campbell identified, in early
court documents, several people that would be available for depositions to
support his contentions. In the interim, several folks on the list are
apparently gotten "on the outs" with Zoom--including one guy whose company he
has sued. If I were SnF, I'd schedule THESE people for depositions....and if
Campbell objects, he can explain to the judge why he'd changed his mind.

There's a small possibility that the recent filing is from SnF--with the case in
limbo, the law firm handling their defense might be switching to a more-junior
lawyer as attorney-of-record. I think it's unlikely, though. If you check the
above link occasionally, you can check to see whether a name is added under the
"Attorney" column across from Zoom's name, or if SnF's attorney changes
(currently John Wendel).

Ron Wanttaja

jan olieslagers[_2_]
January 25th 08, 05:22 PM
Ron Wanttaja schreef:
>
> The Docket shows a letter from an attorney recently being processed.

Funny place, them U.S. of A.
How do they process attorneys?
Why is it done? Make them lighter to digest?

(sorry Ron, couldn't resist)

Ron Wanttaja
January 26th 08, 02:54 AM
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 17:22:48 +0000, jan olieslagers
> wrote:

> Ron Wanttaja schreef:
> >
> > The Docket shows a letter from an attorney recently being processed.
>
> Funny place, them U.S. of A.
> How do they process attorneys?

Much like how they process dairy products to make Velveeta, only they use 50%
more raw sewage... :-)

Ron Wanttaja

January 26th 08, 03:34 AM
On Jan 25, 11:05*am, Ron Wanttaja > wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 07:37:32 -0800 (PST), BobR > wrote:
> > > The Docket shows a letter from an attorney recently being processed.
>
> > >https://ori2.polk-county.net/ct_web1/case_detail.asp?SearchType=Party....
>
> > > As I doubt SnF would bother to keep up their involvement, this may well be new
> > > lawyer for Zoom. *If so, it's likely the case is going to be re-opened. *Stay
> > > tuned!
>
> > What was that definition of insanity...something about doing the same
> > stupid thing repeatedly and expecting a different result? *Wonder if
> > this would be a classic case?
>
> Well, it depends on whether he intends to continue non-support of his own
> lawsuit (e.g., not responding to discovery, canceling his depositions, etc..).
> One common thread you see in folks' experience with him is that everything is
> just rosy and lovely at first, then starts turning sour after a number of months
> (see the NTSB transcript for at least one example).
>
> With a brand-new lawyer on a five-year-old case, if things are still at the
> "honeymoon" stage, Zoom may be more willing to provide proof of his claims.. *If
> I were a new Zoom attorney, I'd immediately provide responses to the discovery
> requests and schedule depositions, quick.
>
> One thing that makes me chuckle is the fact that Campbell identified, in early
> court documents, several people that would be available for depositions to
> support his contentions. *In the interim, several folks on the list are
> apparently gotten "on the outs" with Zoom--including one guy whose company he
> has sued. *If I were SnF, I'd schedule THESE people for depositions....and if
> Campbell objects, he can explain to the judge why he'd changed his mind.
>
> There's a small possibility that the recent filing is from SnF--with the case in
> limbo, the law firm handling their defense might be switching to a more-junior
> lawyer as attorney-of-record. *I think it's unlikely, though. *If you check the
> above link occasionally, you can check to see whether a name is added under the
> "Attorney" column across from Zoom's name, or if SnF's attorney changes
> (currently John Wendel).
>
> Ron Wanttaja

Rom,

It is amazing to me how zzzoom history repeats itself. When he filed
the Assault and Battery charges against me Amy Jones was his witness
that I chased and struck him (for the record I would have to but he
ran away from me). By the time my court date rolled around he and the
Jones',mother Ruth and daughter Amy were on the outs. When questioned
by the States Attorney about the incedent she couldn't remember
anything about it.

Frank M.Hitlaw at my secret world Hq

BobR
January 26th 08, 04:59 PM
On Jan 25, 8:54*pm, Ron Wanttaja > wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 17:22:48 +0000, jan olieslagers
>
> > wrote:
> > Ron Wanttaja schreef:
>
> > > The Docket shows a letter from an attorney recently being processed. *
>
> > Funny place, them U.S. of A.
> > How do they process attorneys?
>
> Much like how they process dairy products to make Velveeta, only they use 50%
> more raw sewage... :-)
>
> Ron Wanttaja

I remember someone who would have had a good laugh at that statement.

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