Re: How did KPHX Class B get so screwed up?

[Larry Dighera]

On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 05:35:40 +0100, Mxsmanic >
wrote in >:

>The new Class B airspace at KPHX

http://skyvector.com/#32-25-3-3647-2226
It's a pistol.

But I think KSAN is even more difficult to visualize:
http://skyvector.com/#32-25-3-3647-2226 . It has VFR tunnels through
various Class B sectors.

[Mxsmanic]

Larry Dighera writes:

> But I think KSAN is even more difficult to visualize:
> http://skyvector.com/#32-25-3-3647-2226 . It has VFR tunnels through
> various Class B sectors.

The VFR corridor at least follows the shoreline; conceivably one could
navigate through it just by looking at the ground.

There aren't any VFR corridors at all in Phoenix that I've noticed.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> Larry Dighera writes:
>
>> But I think KSAN is even more difficult to visualize:
>> http://skyvector.com/#32-25-3-3647-2226 . It has VFR tunnels through
>> various Class B sectors.
>
> The VFR corridor at least follows the shoreline; conceivably one could
> navigate through it just by looking at the ground.
>
> There aren't any VFR corridors at all in Phoenix that I've noticed.
>

So what, fjukktard?

You don't fly.

Bertie

[Larry Dighera]

On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 13:47:23 +0100, Mxsmanic >
wrote in >:

>Larry Dighera writes:
>
>> But I think KSAN is even more difficult to visualize:
>> http://skyvector.com/#32-25-3-3647-2226 . It has VFR tunnels through
>> various Class B sectors.
>
>The VFR corridor at least follows the shoreline; conceivably one could
>navigate through it just by looking at the ground.
>

I should have said Class E tunnels instead of VFR tunnels. Take a
look at the four sectors with DOUBLE floors and ceilings enclosed in
blue boxes here: http://skyvector.com/#32-24-2-4904-4560

[A Guy Called Tyketto]

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Mxsmanic > wrote:
> Larry Dighera writes:
>
>> But I think KSAN is even more difficult to visualize:
>> http://skyvector.com/#32-25-3-3647-2226 . It has VFR tunnels through
>> various Class B sectors.
>
> The VFR corridor at least follows the shoreline; conceivably one could
> navigate through it just by looking at the ground.
>
> There aren't any VFR corridors at all in Phoenix that I've noticed.

Idiot. But then again, I wouldn't trust any children to learn
English from you, let alone French.

The answer is on the same site you glorify and probably smoke
choads from. I quote from the Phoenix TAC:

The *VFR TRANSITION ROUTE* over Phoenix Sky Harbor Int'l Airport is
based on Runway in use. 7s/8: use the West route. 25s/26, use the East
route.

Next to it? details on the transition routes. On top of that,
the Canal Transition route.

Anthony, shut up. You obviously have no idea what you're
talking about.

BL.
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Mxsmanic > wrote:
> Larry Dighera writes:

> > But I think KSAN is even more difficult to visualize:
> > http://skyvector.com/#32-25-3-3647-2226 . It has VFR tunnels through
> > various Class B sectors.

> The VFR corridor at least follows the shoreline; conceivably one could
> navigate through it just by looking at the ground.

> There aren't any VFR corridors at all in Phoenix that I've noticed.

What does it matter since you don't really fly?

Clue #1: Because you haven't noticed them doesn't mean they don't exist.

Clue #2: Real VFR pilots of real airplanes can go through real class B
airspace without using VFR corridors.


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[Mxsmanic]

A Guy Called Tyketto writes:

> Idiot. But then again, I wouldn't trust any children to learn
> English from you, let alone French.
>
> The answer is on the same site you glorify and probably smoke
> choads from. I quote from the Phoenix TAC:
>
> The *VFR TRANSITION ROUTE* over Phoenix Sky Harbor Int'l Airport is
> based on Runway in use. 7s/8: use the West route. 25s/26, use the East
> route.

A transition route isn't a corridor. A corridor is outside the Class B; a
transition route goes through it. Look at KSAN to see a true VFR corridor.

[Mxsmanic]

writes:

> What does it matter since you don't really fly?

I use them in simulation.

> Clue #2: Real VFR pilots of real airplanes can go through real class B
> airspace without using VFR corridors.

If they are cleared to do so, but they may not be.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> A Guy Called Tyketto writes:
>
>> Idiot. But then again, I wouldn't trust any children to learn
>> English from you, let alone French.
>>
>> The answer is on the same site you glorify and probably smoke
>> choads from. I quote from the Phoenix TAC:
>>
>> The *VFR TRANSITION ROUTE* over Phoenix Sky Harbor Int'l Airport is
>> based on Runway in use. 7s/8: use the West route. 25s/26, use the
>> East route.
>
> A transition route isn't a corridor. A corridor is outside the Class
> B; a transition route goes through it. Look at KSAN to see a true VFR
> corridor.

Why?

You don't fly...

Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> writes:
>
>> What does it matter since you don't really fly?
>
> I use them in simulation.
>
>> Clue #2: Real VFR pilots of real airplanes can go through real class B
>> airspace without using VFR corridors.
>
> If they are cleared to do so, but they may not be.

Why not fjukkwit?

go on..

Bertie

[Gig 601XL Builder[_2_]]

Mxsmanic wrote:
> writes:
>
>> What does it matter since you don't really fly?
>
> I use them in simulation.
>
>> Clue #2: Real VFR pilots of real airplanes can go through real class B
>> airspace without using VFR corridors.
>
> If they are cleared to do so, but they may not be.

I hereby grant you simulated clearance into all simulated Class B airspace.

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Mxsmanic > wrote:
> writes:

> > What does it matter since you don't really fly?

> I use them in simulation.

> > Clue #2: Real VFR pilots of real airplanes can go through real class B
> > airspace without using VFR corridors.

> If they are cleared to do so, but they may not be.

Then simulate yourself a clearance, twit.

Since you don't really fly, it doesn't matter what happens in the real
world.

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[Larry Dighera]

On Fri, 01 Feb 2008 16:50:12 +0100, Mxsmanic >
wrote in >:

>A Guy Called Tyketto writes:
>
>> Idiot. But then again, I wouldn't trust any children to learn
>> English from you, let alone French.
>>
>> The answer is on the same site you glorify and probably smoke
>> choads from. I quote from the Phoenix TAC:
>>
>> The *VFR TRANSITION ROUTE* over Phoenix Sky Harbor Int'l Airport is
>> based on Runway in use. 7s/8: use the West route. 25s/26, use the East
>> route.
>
>A transition route isn't a corridor. A corridor is outside the Class B; a
>transition route goes through it. Look at KSAN to see a true VFR corridor.

As long as we're on the subject, let's mention the LAX Special Flight
Rules Area directly over the airport between 3,500' and 4,500':
http://skyvector.com/perl/code?id=KLAX&scale=3 . It is a VFR route
through KLAX Class B surface area that doesn't require ATC
authorization nor communication with ATC!

There's an explanation of how to use it on the lower left hand corner
of the KLAX Terminal Control Area chart.

[A Guy Called Tyketto]

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Mxsmanic > wrote:
> A Guy Called Tyketto writes:
>
>> Idiot. But then again, I wouldn't trust any children to learn
>> English from you, let alone French.
>>
>> The answer is on the same site you glorify and probably smoke
>> choads from. I quote from the Phoenix TAC:
>>
>> The *VFR TRANSITION ROUTE* over Phoenix Sky Harbor Int'l Airport is
>> based on Runway in use. 7s/8: use the West route. 25s/26, use the East
>> route.
>
> A transition route isn't a corridor. A corridor is outside the Class B; a
> transition route goes through it. Look at KSAN to see a true VFR corridor.

Wrong. SFRA at LAX is a corridor and *IN THE CLASS B*.

Either get your facts straight, or plan to have a size 15 boot
shoved up your ass every time you open your moouth.

BL.
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[Mxsmanic]

A Guy Called Tyketto writes:

> Wrong. SFRA at LAX is a corridor and *IN THE CLASS B*.

The SFRA at LAX is a SFRA, and so it is neither a corridor nor a transition
route.

[A Guy Called Tyketto]

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Mxsmanic > wrote:
> A Guy Called Tyketto writes:
>
>> Wrong. SFRA at LAX is a corridor and *IN THE CLASS B*.
>
> The SFRA at LAX is a SFRA, and so it is neither a corridor nor a transition
> route.

Your play on words does you no good, Anthony. It is a corridor,
as it handles both north and southbound traffic, as does the Shoreline
route and Hollywood park mini route.

All of which in the Los Angeles Class B. So for the sake of
everyone here, shut up and stop splitting hairs.

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[Mxsmanic]

A Guy Called Tyketto writes:

> It is a corridor,
> as it handles both north and southbound traffic, as does the Shoreline
> route and Hollywood park mini route.

A Special Flight Rules Area is just that: an area where the normal rules don't
apply.

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Mxsmanic > wrote:
> A Guy Called Tyketto writes:

> > It is a corridor,
> > as it handles both north and southbound traffic, as does the Shoreline
> > route and Hollywood park mini route.

> A Special Flight Rules Area is just that: an area where the normal rules don't
> apply.

My god, you are such an idiot.


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[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> A Guy Called Tyketto writes:
>
>> Wrong. SFRA at LAX is a corridor and *IN THE CLASS B*.
>
> The SFRA at LAX is a SFRA, and so it is neither a corridor nor a
> transition route.
>

Nope

Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> A Guy Called Tyketto writes:
>
>> It is a corridor,
>> as it handles both north and southbound traffic, as does the
>> Shoreline route and Hollywood park mini route.
>
> A Special Flight Rules Area is just that: an area where the normal
> rules don't apply.
>

Nope


Bertie